Re: WebSites made using Livecode.

2020-07-07 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode

Andre Garzia  wrote:

> In my own personal and subjective experience, LiveCode shines when you
> are building desktop applications, or combining desktop applications
> with server-side solutions. With LiveCode you can have a webapp doing
> server-side LC server and an HTML5 front-end, while still having a
> full desktop application for handling all the administration stuff.
> Instead of spending a ton of time to craft a webadmin panel, or a
> clunky CMS, you can offer your client the full power of an offline-
> first desktop application to manage the webapp you're building. That
> is a powerful proposition and one that I wish would surface more in LC
> marketing and in the stories on this list.

^ BINGO

It's been a great model here.

One of my longest-running projects is a content-driven medical decision 
support system, where the authoring, review, and publishing process is 
done in an LC standalone, generating web-ready static HTML for lean, 
scalable deployment.


And now that we have some nice WebDAV libraries, I'm using that same 
model for my own content management, with Nextcloud as a collaborative 
document store managed through a dedicated desktop standalone made in LC.


Along the way I'm seeing opportunities to use APIs from Nextcloud apps 
and other cloud services to build out standalones providing 
highly-integrated workflows across disparate services, tailored for the 
specific needs of just about any organization with all the ease that 
developing GUIs in LiveCode can provide.


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Re: WebSites made using Livecode.

2020-07-07 Thread Andrew at MidWest Coast Media via use-livecode

> In my own personal and subjective experience, LiveCode shines when you are
> building desktop applications, or combining desktop applications with
> server-side solutions. 
> With LC you can ship a whole suite of desktop and mobile apps that act as
> companions to the business your client is doing while still delivering a
> webapp as the user facing part of your contract.

This is a truth bomb. 

LiveCode server solution:
At the beginning of the pandemic, I used LiveCode server to setup a beer 
delivery system for my cousin’s brewery. Users put in their address, I use a 
Google Maps API to check driving distance (to make sure they are close enough 
and charge the appropriate delivery fee), once location is verified I use an 
Untappd API to query their tap list and filter out drafts (because this for 
to-go only), then let the consumer choose the quantity and place their order. 
NO payments are going through this system, they already had a 3rd party vendor 
they used for that. 

https://www.midwestcoastmedia.com/beta_ltd/delivery.html 
 


LiveCode solution:
While it may not fully fit the spectrum of your question, I’m working on a 
website right now powered by LiveCode. I have a custom backend interface for my 
client to make changes in (PC app). They upload data to a LiveCloud account 
(not an official Mothership tool, but a great database resource built on/for 
Livecode). That database data is then used to piece together a website. I found 
an HTML5 template from Envato Marketplace and licensed it for ~$20USD, modified 
the template site Dreamweaver to match my client’s branding, then chopped it up 
into little chunks that get collated together. LiveCode server is only really 
triggered when using one of the forms; the page is .html but the form action 
POSTs to  .lc which fires off an email after checking for SPAM.

This same data, and the desktop backed that powers it, supplies all the content 
for a companion mobile app (iOS and Android) that I am also building in 
LiveCode. Some mobile specific options are taken advantage of here like 
Local/Push Notifications.

Project hasn’t officially launched yet, but you can take a sneak peek @ 
https://www.whitestownparks.org/ 

—Andrew Bell
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RE: WebSites made using Livecode.

2020-07-06 Thread Ralph DiMola via use-livecode
I use Html==>JS==>Async xhttp request.

The xhttp request is fielded by LC Server and is cors compliant so LC Server 
doesn't even need to be on the same web server. (this allows you to test html 
pages from desktop without a web server)

LC server returns html in a json packet.

The async JS handler in the html fires up receiving the LC server json. So the 
data path continued as JS==>html to the web page. In JS I convert the json to 
an array and send the LC server generated html to various s.

Works great. No php. I was able to continue coding in LC and was able to 
leverage all my existing LC libraries(20,000+ lines). I had to learn a little 
JS but all the heavy lifting is done in LC.

My little slice...

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
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Re: WebSites made using Livecode.

2020-07-06 Thread Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode

> if you look at your server log files you will see that
> China hacker bots are heavily searching for PHP
> and when they can’t find it they even try to install
> it so they can continue hacking away.

That's a really good point!
I use fail2ban and various security modifications for Apache on our 
servers, but if you see the server logs it still feels scary.


Hery

On 7/5/20 7:53 PM, Rick Harrison via use-livecode wrote:

Hi Hery,

You can set up your Livecode Server to work
with your database directly on the same computer.
You do not need PHP at all for anything.  In fact
if you look at your server log files you will see that
China hacker bots are heavily searching for PHP
and when they can’t find it they even try to install
it so they can continue hacking away.

Livecode Server is fun!

Good luck!

Rick
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Re: WebSites made using Livecode.

2020-07-06 Thread Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode

Thanks Alex,

Those sites look good and they feel very fast.

Hery

On 7/6/20 5:27 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:

Hi Hery,

not sure if you've received any pointers to actual sites yet :-).

Here are a few I've made :

https://kilmelford.com/

most interesting of them - but since all events are cancelled this 
year, it's currently less interesting than other times :-) All made 
with my own CMS for LC; flat file text and text database, so really 
trivial installation, and very little attack surface (no PHP, no SQL)


http://karenliversedge.com/

done with Ralf's revigniter framework.

https://melaniechmielewska.co.uk/

not quite a 'modern' website.  Done with a very simple LC server 
script some years ago. The artist said "I want a retro appearance. I 
make stone sculptures to last 200-2000 years - I don't want a website 
that changes every 2 year". :-)


Alex.

On 06/07/2020 00:53, Rick Harrison via use-livecode wrote:

Hi Hery,

You can set up your Livecode Server to work
with your database directly on the same computer.
You do not need PHP at all for anything.  In fact
if you look at your server log files you will see that
China hacker bots are heavily searching for PHP
and when they can’t find it they even try to install
it so they can continue hacking away.

Livecode Server is fun!

Good luck!

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Re: WebSites made using Livecode.

2020-07-06 Thread Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode

Thank you all very much for the solutions provided and for the advice.

How wonderful it is to belong to a club like Livecode: The community is 
incredibly kind and generous.


As you say André, it is not important if Livecode is a minority 
language: It is very powerful.
I can create a Desktop, Mobile, Server, HTML5, a web app, a command line 
script or a command line compiled binary using it.


To be honest with you: I cannot find another programming language that 
can do this without fighting with several "Frameworks of the week".


If you enter the Hacker News website you will see all those comments 
about very trendy and sexy languages like Erlang, Cloruje or Dart, which 
are probably less used than Livecode.

So, yes the programming language popularity is very subjective.

Hery

On 7/6/20 9:55 AM, Andre Garzia via use-livecode wrote:

Hi Heriberto,

I've read this thread and want to share a bit of experience of using LC as
a server engine. I'm part of the team that builds
http://www.himalayanacademy.com which is probably the largest site built
with LC Server around. I'll try to frame this email in the topics I've seen
you worried about, feel free to ask questions here on the thread and I will
try my best to answer them.

ON THE POPULARITY OF A LANGUAGE
Many managers and clients don't have the necessary context to judge
whatever tools are presented to them and will often go to generic metrics
such as popularity to try to gauge what is going on. Even though popularity
might correlate to quality it doesn't mean that something less popular is
bad. You can't really compare the engines powering behemoths of the
industry with all their gravitas to small niche languages in terms of
popularity because the small languages will always look bad. If you go
through those metrics, even extremely powerful languages like Haskell and
Elm will show as small blips when compared to PHP or Ruby.

It is important to notice that there is a very important case to be made
for choosing popular languages: the high availability of software
developers working with those tools and vendors/webhosts/ecosystems
supporting those languages. It is easier to find PHP developers, hosts, and
consulting firms, than it is to find the LC equivalents, so for a company
choosing to bet their development into some stack, the PHP solution might
seem more attractive.

To counterbalance that you can say that most people doing professional
development will be using Virtual Private Servers instead of shared host
accounts, and those type of servers give you full control over the
(virtual) machine, which means you can host LC on them. Linode, AWS, Azure,
Digital Ocean, all those popular services can host LC based solutions when
set up correctly. Besides that, LiveCode has an open source GPL version, so
they don't need to be that scared of a using it as even if the LC HQ
decides to do something else, they can still build and use the code.
Talking about LC HQ, it might be good to tell potential clients that the
company that builds the language has a consulting arm and if anything
happens then can be hired to fix or help fix the difficult unique
challenges they may face. Having this direct line to the LC HQ is a
valuable thing.

ON RESPONSIVENESS AND MODERN WEBSITES
All that happens client-side and is not related to the server engine at
all. You could be hosting a web server with an Oberon based webserver and
as long as you were shipping HTML/CSS/JS built following the current best
practices all would be well.

This means that using LC is no excuse not to learn how to do proper
webapps. Anyone working on the web these days need to have command of
"HTML5" to be able to deploy solutions that are up to the standards we
want. The good news is that HTML5 is easier than HTML < 5, if you don't
care much about compatibility with old browsers, doing a web app these days
is pretty easy.

WHERE LIVECODE SHINE (A PERSONAL TAKE)
I have been around LiveCode for a while and have developed an opinion on
which situations I think it shines. It can be used for other cases, don't
get me wrong, but it does shine in some specific patterns that make it a
lot easier to sell solutions based on it.

In my own personal and subjective experience, LiveCode shines when you are
building desktop applications, or combining desktop applications with
server-side solutions. With LiveCode you can have a webapp doing
server-side LC server and an HTML5 front-end, while still having a full
desktop application for handling all the administration stuff. Instead of
spending a ton of time to craft a webadmin panel, or a clunky CMS, you can
offer your client the full power of an offline-first desktop application to
manage the webapp you're building. That is a powerful proposition and one
that I wish would surface more in LC marketing and in the stories on this
list.

With LC you can ship a whole suite of desktop and mobile apps that act as
companions to the business your client is doing while still 

Re: WebSites made using Livecode.

2020-07-06 Thread Andre Garzia via use-livecode
Hi Heriberto,

I've read this thread and want to share a bit of experience of using LC as
a server engine. I'm part of the team that builds
http://www.himalayanacademy.com which is probably the largest site built
with LC Server around. I'll try to frame this email in the topics I've seen
you worried about, feel free to ask questions here on the thread and I will
try my best to answer them.

ON THE POPULARITY OF A LANGUAGE
Many managers and clients don't have the necessary context to judge
whatever tools are presented to them and will often go to generic metrics
such as popularity to try to gauge what is going on. Even though popularity
might correlate to quality it doesn't mean that something less popular is
bad. You can't really compare the engines powering behemoths of the
industry with all their gravitas to small niche languages in terms of
popularity because the small languages will always look bad. If you go
through those metrics, even extremely powerful languages like Haskell and
Elm will show as small blips when compared to PHP or Ruby.

It is important to notice that there is a very important case to be made
for choosing popular languages: the high availability of software
developers working with those tools and vendors/webhosts/ecosystems
supporting those languages. It is easier to find PHP developers, hosts, and
consulting firms, than it is to find the LC equivalents, so for a company
choosing to bet their development into some stack, the PHP solution might
seem more attractive.

To counterbalance that you can say that most people doing professional
development will be using Virtual Private Servers instead of shared host
accounts, and those type of servers give you full control over the
(virtual) machine, which means you can host LC on them. Linode, AWS, Azure,
Digital Ocean, all those popular services can host LC based solutions when
set up correctly. Besides that, LiveCode has an open source GPL version, so
they don't need to be that scared of a using it as even if the LC HQ
decides to do something else, they can still build and use the code.
Talking about LC HQ, it might be good to tell potential clients that the
company that builds the language has a consulting arm and if anything
happens then can be hired to fix or help fix the difficult unique
challenges they may face. Having this direct line to the LC HQ is a
valuable thing.

ON RESPONSIVENESS AND MODERN WEBSITES
All that happens client-side and is not related to the server engine at
all. You could be hosting a web server with an Oberon based webserver and
as long as you were shipping HTML/CSS/JS built following the current best
practices all would be well.

This means that using LC is no excuse not to learn how to do proper
webapps. Anyone working on the web these days need to have command of
"HTML5" to be able to deploy solutions that are up to the standards we
want. The good news is that HTML5 is easier than HTML < 5, if you don't
care much about compatibility with old browsers, doing a web app these days
is pretty easy.

WHERE LIVECODE SHINE (A PERSONAL TAKE)
I have been around LiveCode for a while and have developed an opinion on
which situations I think it shines. It can be used for other cases, don't
get me wrong, but it does shine in some specific patterns that make it a
lot easier to sell solutions based on it.

In my own personal and subjective experience, LiveCode shines when you are
building desktop applications, or combining desktop applications with
server-side solutions. With LiveCode you can have a webapp doing
server-side LC server and an HTML5 front-end, while still having a full
desktop application for handling all the administration stuff. Instead of
spending a ton of time to craft a webadmin panel, or a clunky CMS, you can
offer your client the full power of an offline-first desktop application to
manage the webapp you're building. That is a powerful proposition and one
that I wish would surface more in LC marketing and in the stories on this
list.

With LC you can ship a whole suite of desktop and mobile apps that act as
companions to the business your client is doing while still delivering a
webapp as the user facing part of your contract.



On Thu, 2 Jul 2020 at 20:41, Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Dear LiveCode experts:
>
> I am trying to convince a customer to create their next website with
> LiveCode Server instead PHP.  The client asks me what other popular
> sites are created with LiveCode server.
>
> I have seen this in the Livecode forums , but it seems to be very old:
>
> https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15689
>
> Do you know modern websites created with LiveCode?
>
> I have seen that the current LiveCode site runs Wordpress + PHP.
> Do you know why?
> --
>
> Best regards/ Saludos cordiales/ Cordialement
>
> Heriberto Torrado
> ​Chief Technology Officer (CTO)
> ​Director de informática
> Directeur informatique
>
> *NetDreams S.C.*
> 

Re: WebSites made using Livecode.

2020-07-06 Thread Alex Tweedly via use-livecode

Hi Hery,

not sure if you've received any pointers to actual sites yet :-).

Here are a few I've made :

https://kilmelford.com/

most interesting of them - but since all events are cancelled this year, 
it's currently less interesting than other times :-) All made with my 
own CMS for LC; flat file text and text database, so really trivial 
installation, and very little attack surface (no PHP, no SQL)


http://karenliversedge.com/

done with Ralf's revigniter framework.

https://melaniechmielewska.co.uk/

not quite a 'modern' website.  Done with a very simple LC server script 
some years ago. The artist said "I want a retro appearance. I make stone 
sculptures to last 200-2000 years - I don't want a website that changes 
every 2 year". :-)


Alex.

On 06/07/2020 00:53, Rick Harrison via use-livecode wrote:

Hi Hery,

You can set up your Livecode Server to work
with your database directly on the same computer.
You do not need PHP at all for anything.  In fact
if you look at your server log files you will see that
China hacker bots are heavily searching for PHP
and when they can’t find it they even try to install
it so they can continue hacking away.

Livecode Server is fun!

Good luck!

Rick
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Re: WebSites made using Livecode.

2020-07-05 Thread Rick Harrison via use-livecode
Hi Hery,

You can set up your Livecode Server to work
with your database directly on the same computer.
You do not need PHP at all for anything.  In fact
if you look at your server log files you will see that
China hacker bots are heavily searching for PHP
and when they can’t find it they even try to install
it so they can continue hacking away.

Livecode Server is fun!

Good luck!

Rick
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Re: WebSites made using Livecode.

2020-07-05 Thread Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode

Hi Seen,

I'm talking about using Livecode server.
I think you mean Livecode HTML5.

I'll explore that option (it seems very usefully too), but although I do 
a lot of work with JS, I wanted to try Livecode Server. I have used it a 
bit and it looks very reliable.


We have four dedicated servers on a hosting company, so I installed a 
Livecode server on them.


I'll tell you my impressions on a couple of months.

Off-topic:

The Southlands are a wonderful place, but Scotland is too.
I spend some time traveling across them.
There is good beer in both places. ;-)

Best,
Hery


On 7/5/20 5:02 PM, Pi Digital via use-livecode wrote:



On 5 Jul 2020, at 21:16, Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Hi Sean,

So, as far as I know, you use PHP as a middleware between the database and the 
Livecode code app. Isn't it?

Yes

I guess you do that because of security reasons to not expose the database.

No. It needs it to talk directly to the database on the same host. The security 
is served by encrypting both the request and response. JS has a hole in it 
where the message can be intercepted while talking to php that I’m avoiding 
getting exploited.


My main goal is to use Livecode instead of PHP to create a small website (about 
ten forms and some logic layer to edit them).
I think it will be fun.

Perfect. That will work nicely. You host doesn’t need to be anything special. 
As long as gzip can be enabled and is happy running JS then you just upload the 
LC emscripten js file and your standalone zip you’ll be good to go.


I use Livecode to create apps, and as a console scripting to substitute some 
Bash scripts.
So now, I'd like to explore the server options.
It will be a a dream to use the same language for the server.

I'm trying to convince my customer.

Off-topic:

Would you guys like to work in Alaska for some time? It could be a good 
experience.
They are looking for a LiveCode programmer.

https://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=livecode=571a9274563c52bc

I would love this. I’ve been having enough trouble convincing the family to 
move from the south of England up to Scotland. Alaska, I fear, would be an even 
bigger sell.

All the best
Sean

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Re: WebSites made using Livecode.

2020-07-05 Thread Pi Digital via use-livecode


> On 5 Jul 2020, at 21:16, Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Sean,
> 
> So, as far as I know, you use PHP as a middleware between the database and 
> the Livecode code app. Isn't it?
Yes
> I guess you do that because of security reasons to not expose the database.
No. It needs it to talk directly to the database on the same host. The security 
is served by encrypting both the request and response. JS has a hole in it 
where the message can be intercepted while talking to php that I’m avoiding 
getting exploited. 

> My main goal is to use Livecode instead of PHP to create a small website 
> (about ten forms and some logic layer to edit them).
> I think it will be fun.
Perfect. That will work nicely. You host doesn’t need to be anything special. 
As long as gzip can be enabled and is happy running JS then you just upload the 
LC emscripten js file and your standalone zip you’ll be good to go. 

> 
> I use Livecode to create apps, and as a console scripting to substitute some 
> Bash scripts.
> So now, I'd like to explore the server options.
> It will be a a dream to use the same language for the server.
> 
> I'm trying to convince my customer.
> 
> Off-topic:
> 
> Would you guys like to work in Alaska for some time? It could be a good 
> experience.
> They are looking for a LiveCode programmer.
> 
> https://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=livecode=571a9274563c52bc
I would love this. I’ve been having enough trouble convincing the family to 
move from the south of England up to Scotland. Alaska, I fear, would be an even 
bigger sell. 

All the best
Sean

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Re: WebSites made using Livecode.

2020-07-05 Thread Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode

Hi Sean,

So, as far as I know, you use PHP as a middleware between the database 
and the Livecode code app. Isn't it?

I guess you do that because of security reasons to not expose the database.

My main goal is to use Livecode instead of PHP to create a small website 
(about ten forms and some logic layer to edit them).

I think it will be fun.

I use Livecode to create apps, and as a console scripting to substitute 
some Bash scripts.

So now, I'd like to explore the server options.
It will be a a dream to use the same language for the server.

I'm trying to convince my customer.

Off-topic:

Would you guys like to work in Alaska for some time? It could be a good 
experience.

They are looking for a LiveCode programmer.

https://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=livecode=571a9274563c52bc


Best,
Hery

On 7/4/20 1:36 PM, Pi Digital via use-livecode wrote:

Hi

I’ve been creating a website built in LiveCode but NOT LC Server. I opted to using php for 
server end calls as we connect into a mySQL database on the server. The message path is LC 
> tiny amounts of JS > a small PHP library of function calls > JS message 
transport > LC. LC does all the heavy lifting. JS is ONLY for sending messages to and 
from php. PHP is pretty much only for communication with the database, sending emails, 
downloading and uploading files to and from the users desktop/file system.

What was you wanting LC Server accomplish? Was you using an LC front end or 
only looking to use it for backend stuff?

Sean Cole
Pi Digital Productions Ltd


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Re: WebSites made using Livecode.

2020-07-04 Thread Pi Digital via use-livecode
Hi

I’ve been creating a website built in LiveCode but NOT LC Server. I opted to 
using php for server end calls as we connect into a mySQL database on the 
server. The message path is LC > tiny amounts of JS > a small PHP library of 
function calls > JS message transport > LC. LC does all the heavy lifting. JS 
is ONLY for sending messages to and from php. PHP is pretty much only for 
communication with the database, sending emails, downloading and uploading 
files to and from the users desktop/file system. 

What was you wanting LC Server accomplish? Was you using an LC front end or 
only looking to use it for backend stuff?

Sean Cole
Pi Digital Productions Ltd


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> On 3 Jul 2020, at 16:47, Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Dan,
> 
> The customer cares about the backend, because he wants to be sure he will 
> find a livecode hosting company in the future. We will host the web page into 
> our own servers.
> We currently offer PHP, Python  and LiveCode hosting.
> I'm honest with my customers and I told him about Livecode backend hosting 
> pros & cons.
> 
> There are other companies offering LiveCode hosting, but in Spain it is not 
> very popular.
> 
> It will not be the typical Wordpress webpage, it will be a small Human 
> Resources website for their employees.
> It would be easier to do it with Python-Flask or Django, but I'm very excited 
> to do it using livecode.
> 
> Thank you very much for those links.
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Re: WebSites made using Livecode.

2020-07-03 Thread Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode

Hi Dan,

The customer cares about the backend, because he wants to be sure he 
will find a livecode hosting company in the future. We will host the web 
page into our own servers.

We currently offer PHP, Python  and LiveCode hosting.
I'm honest with my customers and I told him about Livecode backend 
hosting pros & cons.


There are other companies offering LiveCode hosting, but in Spain it is 
not very popular.


It will not be the typical Wordpress webpage, it will be a small Human 
Resources website for their employees.
It would be easier to do it with Python-Flask or Django, but I'm very 
excited to do it using livecode.


Thank you very much for those links.

Hery

On 7/3/20 8:51 AM, Dan Brown via use-livecode wrote:

I'd be surprised if the client cares at all about the websites backend, you
might be better off picking a modern frontend framework (bulma,react,vue
etc) and showing examples of websites using it.

As for the backend, there are some great flat file CMS's that could be
managed with livecode scripts ( creating directories, template files, html
templates )

https://getgrav.org/

https://getkirby.com/


On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 12:43 PM Torsten Holmer via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


Do you know revIgniter, the Livecode Framework for Websites?
https://revigniter.com/

"Many websites have been successfully built with revIgniter including the
presumably largest Hindu website  in
existence."
https://www.himalayanacademy.com/ 

Best regards,
Torsten



Am 02.07.2020 um 21:39 schrieb Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode <

use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:

Dear LiveCode experts:

I am trying to convince a customer to create their next website with

LiveCode Server instead PHP.  The client asks me what other popular sites
are created with LiveCode server.

I have seen this in the Livecode forums , but it seems to be very old:

https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15689

Do you know modern websites created with LiveCode?

I have seen that the current LiveCode site runs Wordpress + PHP.
Do you know why?
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​Chief Technology Officer (CTO)
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Directeur informatique

*NetDreams S.C.*
http://www.networkdreams.net

  Address / Dirección / Adresse:​

*USA: *538 East 85th Street, #1C Manhattan NY, NY 10028 USA
*Europe / Europa: *Paseo de la Castellana 135 10ª Planta Madrid 28024

Spain / España

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Re: WebSites made using Livecode.

2020-07-03 Thread Dan Brown via use-livecode
I'd be surprised if the client cares at all about the websites backend, you
might be better off picking a modern frontend framework (bulma,react,vue
etc) and showing examples of websites using it.

As for the backend, there are some great flat file CMS's that could be
managed with livecode scripts ( creating directories, template files, html
templates )

https://getgrav.org/

https://getkirby.com/


On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 12:43 PM Torsten Holmer via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Do you know revIgniter, the Livecode Framework for Websites?
> https://revigniter.com/
>
> "Many websites have been successfully built with revIgniter including the
> presumably largest Hindu website  in
> existence."
> https://www.himalayanacademy.com/ 
>
> Best regards,
> Torsten
>
>
> > Am 02.07.2020 um 21:39 schrieb Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > Dear LiveCode experts:
> >
> > I am trying to convince a customer to create their next website with
> LiveCode Server instead PHP.  The client asks me what other popular sites
> are created with LiveCode server.
> >
> > I have seen this in the Livecode forums , but it seems to be very old:
> >
> > https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15689
> >
> > Do you know modern websites created with LiveCode?
> >
> > I have seen that the current LiveCode site runs Wordpress + PHP.
> > Do you know why?
> > --
> >
> > Best regards/ Saludos cordiales/ Cordialement
> >
> > Heriberto Torrado
> > ​Chief Technology Officer (CTO)
> > ​Director de informática
> > Directeur informatique
> >
> > *NetDreams S.C.*
> > http://www.networkdreams.net
> >
> >  Address / Dirección / Adresse:​
> >
> > *USA: *538 East 85th Street, #1C Manhattan NY, NY 10028 USA
> > *Europe / Europa: *Paseo de la Castellana 135 10ª Planta Madrid 28024
> Spain / España
> >
> > *Tel - Phone - Fax:*
> >
> > Phone / Tel USA : +1 917 287 5644 / +1 646 596 8787
> > Phone / Tel Spain :+34 627 556 500 / + 34 91 063 74 48
> >
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> favor considera tu responsabilidad medioambiental antes de imprimir esta
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Re: WebSites made using Livecode.

2020-07-03 Thread Torsten Holmer via use-livecode
Do you know revIgniter, the Livecode Framework for Websites? 
https://revigniter.com/

"Many websites have been successfully built with revIgniter including the 
presumably largest Hindu website  in 
existence."
https://www.himalayanacademy.com/ 

Best regards,
Torsten


> Am 02.07.2020 um 21:39 schrieb Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Dear LiveCode experts:
> 
> I am trying to convince a customer to create their next website with LiveCode 
> Server instead PHP.  The client asks me what other popular sites are created 
> with LiveCode server.
> 
> I have seen this in the Livecode forums , but it seems to be very old:
> 
> https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15689
> 
> Do you know modern websites created with LiveCode?
> 
> I have seen that the current LiveCode site runs Wordpress + PHP.
> Do you know why?
> -- 
> 
> Best regards/ Saludos cordiales/ Cordialement
> 
> Heriberto Torrado
> ​Chief Technology Officer (CTO)
> ​Director de informática
> Directeur informatique
> 
> *NetDreams S.C.*
> http://www.networkdreams.net
> 
>  Address / Dirección / Adresse:​
> 
> *USA: *538 East 85th Street, #1C Manhattan NY, NY 10028 USA
> *Europe / Europa: *Paseo de la Castellana 135 10ª Planta Madrid 28024 Spain / 
> España
> 
> *Tel - Phone - Fax:*
> 
> Phone / Tel USA : +1 917 287 5644 / +1 646 596 8787
> Phone / Tel Spain :+34 627 556 500 / + 34 91 063 74 48
> 
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Re: WebSites made using Livecode.

2020-07-02 Thread Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode

Thank you Matthias it looks so cool.

I'm going to check it out.

    > I would say creating a website just with Livecode Server is too 
much work.


I know, but as you say in your signature: Life Is Too Short For Boring Code

Hery


On 7/2/20 5:19 PM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:

Some of our customers are using Wordpress and some have websitet that were created the 
"normal" way by hand or with tools like Dreamweaver or Rapidweaver.
But they are also using Livecode server on their sites for special tasks, e.g. 
webform processing, generating and providing downloads, double-opt-in routines 
for newsletter subscriptions and other tasks.

I would say creating a website just with Livecode Server is too much work.

But there is a framework from Ralph Bitter available called RevIgniter which 
is, according to comments of some users, a great tool and a timesaver.
https://revigniter.com

Unfortunately i had no time so far to play around with it, but i will as soon 
as time allows.

-
Matthias Rebbe
Life Is Too Short For Boring Code


Am 02.07.2020 um 21:39 schrieb Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode 
:

Dear LiveCode experts:

I am trying to convince a customer to create their next website with LiveCode 
Server instead PHP.  The client asks me what other popular sites are created 
with LiveCode server.

I have seen this in the Livecode forums , but it seems to be very old:

https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15689

Do you know modern websites created with LiveCode?

I have seen that the current LiveCode site runs Wordpress + PHP.
Do you know why?
--

Best regards/ Saludos cordiales/ Cordialement

Heriberto Torrado
​Chief Technology Officer (CTO)
​Director de informática
Directeur informatique

*NetDreams S.C.*
http://www.networkdreams.net

  Address / Dirección / Adresse:​

*USA: *538 East 85th Street, #1C Manhattan NY, NY 10028 USA
*Europe / Europa: *Paseo de la Castellana 135 10ª Planta Madrid 28024 Spain / 
España

*Tel - Phone - Fax:*

Phone / Tel USA : +1 917 287 5644 / +1 646 596 8787
Phone / Tel Spain :+34 627 556 500 / + 34 91 063 74 48

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Re: WebSites made using Livecode.

2020-07-02 Thread Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode

Hi Richard,

Thank you very much for your rapid response.

My customer asks me about a popular site created with Livecode because 
they would like to make sure that if I get hit by a car, or we have a 
problem, another company could maintain their website. I mean, they 
would like to be sure of their business continuum.  I know, it is always 
the same story ...


I have been making websites for twenty years and I want to do something 
different. I have never made a website with Livecode and I feel excited 
thinking about it.


I feel very comfortable with Livecode and I don't want to start a 
customized web site using PHP or Python again.
Sometimes it is not enough to do a good job, it is also important to 
have some fun doing it.
Livecode allows me to think in a different way than I have using other 
programming languages, and that is like a drug that I can no longer stop.


    > What is a "modern" website?  That's not a trick question, just 
curious what specific types of features you're looking for.


A fully responsible website.

    > Because it gets the job done at low cost

I understand it, but if we all don't start creating more things with 
Livecode, it will always be an exotic language without many job 
opportunities.
More job opportunities will give us more community, more programming 
libraries, more documentation, etc.


    > In general, it's only worthwhile building custom software that 
doesn't already exist.


Maybe we can rebuild those software using LiveCode.

    > LC can be a good choice when you have specialized needs not 
already addressed off-the-shelf.


We use it into our company for that: internal apps.

But I think that Livecode could give people again, the full control of 
their computer, and the gap between a programmer and a computer user 
would get narrower. Something like that happened in the 1980s.


I have my own company in Spain, but I moved to NYC 2 years ago and I 
work as an IT director at an arts school in New York City.
In our coding classes I see those teens dealing with Python and with the 
command console...


It will be a dream for them to use livecode, but teachers refuse to use 
it because they told me it is not very spread.


Hery


On 7/2/20 4:09 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:

Heriberto Torrado wrote:

> I am trying to convince a customer to create their next website
> with  LiveCode Server instead PHP.  The client asks me what other
> popular sites are created with LiveCode server.

If you're dealing with the sort who goes only by popularity, nothing 
else matters.  They live in a world where there are only two choices: 
C for the desktop and PHP for servers.


It may be worth noting, though, that if they'd been consistent about 
their fixation on popularity they'd still be using Perl, and would 
have ignored the advent of PHP. ;)


And they never would have enjoyed Ruby on Rails, but even at its peak 
it was never the most popular solution.


> Do you know modern websites created with LiveCode

What is a "modern" web site?  That's not a trick question, just 
curious what specific types of features you're looking for.



> I have seen that the current LiveCode site runs Wordpress + PHP.
> Do you know why?

Because it gets the job done at low cost.

LC Ltd has generic needs for content management, no evident content 
strategy in terms of syndication, simple editorial workflow with 
minimal roles - for generic stuff generic tools are great.


With the question of build or buy, it's almost always cheaper to buy. 
And with WP the hard cost is zero, so it's just learning curve.


In general, it's only worthwhile building custom software that doesn't 
already exist.


LC can be a good choice when you have specialized needs not already 
addressed off-the-shelf.


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Re: WebSites made using Livecode.

2020-07-02 Thread matthias rebbe via use-livecode
Some of our customers are using Wordpress and some have websitet that were 
created the "normal" way by hand or with tools like Dreamweaver or Rapidweaver.
But they are also using Livecode server on their sites for special tasks, e.g. 
webform processing, generating and providing downloads, double-opt-in routines 
for newsletter subscriptions and other tasks.

I would say creating a website just with Livecode Server is too much work.

But there is a framework from Ralph Bitter available called RevIgniter which 
is, according to comments of some users, a great tool and a timesaver.
https://revigniter.com

Unfortunately i had no time so far to play around with it, but i will as soon 
as time allows.

-
Matthias Rebbe
Life Is Too Short For Boring Code

> Am 02.07.2020 um 21:39 schrieb Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Dear LiveCode experts:
> 
> I am trying to convince a customer to create their next website with LiveCode 
> Server instead PHP.  The client asks me what other popular sites are created 
> with LiveCode server.
> 
> I have seen this in the Livecode forums , but it seems to be very old:
> 
> https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15689
> 
> Do you know modern websites created with LiveCode?
> 
> I have seen that the current LiveCode site runs Wordpress + PHP.
> Do you know why?
> -- 
> 
> Best regards/ Saludos cordiales/ Cordialement
> 
> Heriberto Torrado
> ​Chief Technology Officer (CTO)
> ​Director de informática
> Directeur informatique
> 
> *NetDreams S.C.*
> http://www.networkdreams.net
> 
>  Address / Dirección / Adresse:​
> 
> *USA: *538 East 85th Street, #1C Manhattan NY, NY 10028 USA
> *Europe / Europa: *Paseo de la Castellana 135 10ª Planta Madrid 28024 Spain / 
> España
> 
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Re: WebSites made using Livecode.

2020-07-02 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode

Heriberto Torrado wrote:

> I am trying to convince a customer to create their next website
> with  LiveCode Server instead PHP.  The client asks me what other
> popular sites are created with LiveCode server.

If you're dealing with the sort who goes only by popularity, nothing 
else matters.  They live in a world where there are only two choices: C 
for the desktop and PHP for servers.


It may be worth noting, though, that if they'd been consistent about 
their fixation on popularity they'd still be using Perl, and would have 
ignored the advent of PHP. ;)


And they never would have enjoyed Ruby on Rails, but even at its peak it 
was never the most popular solution.


> Do you know modern websites created with LiveCode

What is a "modern" web site?  That's not a trick question, just curious 
what specific types of features you're looking for.



> I have seen that the current LiveCode site runs Wordpress + PHP.
> Do you know why?

Because it gets the job done at low cost.

LC Ltd has generic needs for content management, no evident content 
strategy in terms of syndication, simple editorial workflow with minimal 
roles - for generic stuff generic tools are great.


With the question of build or buy, it's almost always cheaper to buy. 
And with WP the hard cost is zero, so it's just learning curve.


In general, it's only worthwhile building custom software that doesn't 
already exist.


LC can be a good choice when you have specialized needs not already 
addressed off-the-shelf.


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 Fourth World Systems
 Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
 
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