Re: Russian (UTF-8) in LC 4.6
Hello Slava,
One of my projects worked pretty well with Russian, but it involved mostly
typing in Russian, saving to a file as HTMLText, and later reading in that
HTMLText for display in fields. The one place that involved manipulating the
strings directly ('exploding' the words to display individual letters
separately) was kind of a pain, especially in expressions that included a space
or any punctuation. You can get a sense of what I was able to do at
http://www.sonasoftware.com/vocab/
I hope the real Unicode support comes before too long - this issue is one of
the main reasons I've started working in ObjectiveC for some projects.
Just in case you haven't seen it, Devin Asay has a nice summary at
http://www.runrev.com/developers/lessons-and-tutorials/tutorials/unicode-in-revolution/
best
Curt
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Russian (UTF-8) in LC 4.6
Hi Curt! It was good to hear from a colleague.
I'd known about your Sona cards, but I forgot (or never knew) that they were
done in LiveCode. But I went through the Web site and was quite impressed.
The site is well done, too. (I used it in Chrome, and everything looked
great.) Good job!
Thanks also for the reference to Devin Asay's article. It told me almost
everything I needed to know about Russian in LC 4.6. I do understand (and
sympathize with) the LC developers as they struggle with these issues and
introduce workarounds and fixes. It'll be quite a burden for them to keep
the system backward compatible as they move towards full and natural support
for Unicode.
As you probably know, I use the custom fonts we designed to show accented
vowels in all Russian texts in my software publications. Conversion from
accented text to unaccented text, from accented lower case to accented upper
case vowels, translating keystrokes to offer the Student keyboard layout,
normalizing strings for dictionary lookups and sorting, etc. is part of just
about every step in programming and using my publications. Variables,
arrays, property lists, and various loops are used everywhere. So when I saw
Devin's two-long-lines script that's needed just to assign a Russian word to
a field, and read about accessing a Russian character as a two-character
sequence, and also shipping them around as HTML entities, I had to scratch
my head.
I'll stay around this list and learn what I can about LiveCode this summer.
Gratefully,
Slava
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Subject: Re: Russian (UTF-8) in LC 4.6
Hello Slava,
One of my projects worked pretty well with Russian, but it involved
mostly typing in Russian, saving to a file as HTMLText, and later
reading in that HTMLText for display in fields. The one place that
involved manipulating the strings directly ('exploding' the words to
display individual letters separately) was kind of a pain, especially
in expressions that included a space or any punctuation. You can get a
sense of what I was able to do at
http://www.sonasoftware.com/vocab/
I hope the real Unicode support comes before too long - this issue is
one of the main reasons I've started working in ObjectiveC for some
projects.
Just in case you haven't seen it, Devin Asay has a nice summary at
http://www.runrev.com/developers/lessons-and-
tutorials/tutorials/unicode-in-revolution/
best
Curt
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Russian (UTF-8) in LC 4.6
Is anyone using LC 4.6 for really foreign stacks, like Slavic languages or Greek, in UTF-8? In my tests of 4.6.1, the Contents box of fields and labels accepts Russian fine, and it is displayed correctly, but Russian in a button caption or tooltip turns into garbage (actually, it looks like it tries to display each byte of the two-byte characters, poor thing). Trying to type Russian in the code window totally bombs for me (the effect is indescribable). I'm new to LC, so I may be missing something crucial here. The phrase in the User Guide about writing your own functions to process strings sounds ominous, and yet they recommend the use of UTF-8, but again speak darkly of implementing an external if you wish to use string handling functions (section 6.4.6 on UTF-8). Can one even assign a Cyrillic string to a variable in the code window? I must be doing something wrong--or should I wait for another version of LC? Any tips will be appreciated, Slava ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Russian (UTF-8) in LC 4.6
Hi Slava, You can set the label but not the name of button to a unicode string. In LiveCode, you always use UTF16. If you have a UTF8 string, you need to convert it to UTF16 before you can use it in LiveCode. To convert a UTF8 string to UTF16, use the following syntax: put uniEncode(myUTF8StringVar,UTF8) into myUTF16StringVar and to convert from UTF16 to UTF8 use put uniDecode(myUTF16StringVar,UTF8) into myUTF8StringVar I think that it should be possible to assign a cyrillic string to a variable in a script, but it won't be easy. It is easier to keep your data in fields or custom properties. There might be a LiveCode version that handles unicode text better in the future, but if you have to deliver a project anytime soon, I wouldn't wait for that new version. Btw you can set the unicodeTitle of a stack. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 New: Download the Installer Maker Plugin 1.6 for LiveCode here http://qery.us/ce On 8 mei 2011, at 02:24, Slava Paperno (Bridge) wrote: Is anyone using LC 4.6 for really foreign stacks, like Slavic languages or Greek, in UTF-8? In my tests of 4.6.1, the Contents box of fields and labels accepts Russian fine, and it is displayed correctly, but Russian in a button caption or tooltip turns into garbage (actually, it looks like it tries to display each byte of the two-byte characters, poor thing). Trying to type Russian in the code window totally bombs for me (the effect is indescribable). I'm new to LC, so I may be missing something crucial here. The phrase in the User Guide about writing your own functions to process strings sounds ominous, and yet they recommend the use of UTF-8, but again speak darkly of implementing an external if you wish to use string handling functions (section 6.4.6 on UTF-8). Can one even assign a Cyrillic string to a variable in the code window? I must be doing something wrong--or should I wait for another version of LC? Any tips will be appreciated, Slava ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Russian (UTF-8) in LC 4.6
Thanks, Mark! It sounds like I should probably wait for full Unicode support. I'm trying to decide if I can move from Adobe Director to LC. In my Director applications, I type Cyrillic in the code and message windows all the time, and the ease of manipulating strings during development is very important. Always having to read my strings from files or fields would be a real pain... Gratefully, Slava -Original Message- From: use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-livecode- boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Mark Schonewille Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 8:41 PM To: How to use LiveCode Subject: Re: Russian (UTF-8) in LC 4.6 Hi Slava, You can set the label but not the name of button to a unicode string. In LiveCode, you always use UTF16. If you have a UTF8 string, you need to convert it to UTF16 before you can use it in LiveCode. To convert a UTF8 string to UTF16, use the following syntax: put uniEncode(myUTF8StringVar,UTF8) into myUTF16StringVar and to convert from UTF16 to UTF8 use put uniDecode(myUTF16StringVar,UTF8) into myUTF8StringVar I think that it should be possible to assign a cyrillic string to a variable in a script, but it won't be easy. It is easier to keep your data in fields or custom properties. There might be a LiveCode version that handles unicode text better in the future, but if you have to deliver a project anytime soon, I wouldn't wait for that new version. Btw you can set the unicodeTitle of a stack. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 New: Download the Installer Maker Plugin 1.6 for LiveCode here http://qery.us/ce On 8 mei 2011, at 02:24, Slava Paperno (Bridge) wrote: Is anyone using LC 4.6 for really foreign stacks, like Slavic languages or Greek, in UTF-8? In my tests of 4.6.1, the Contents box of fields and labels accepts Russian fine, and it is displayed correctly, but Russian in a button caption or tooltip turns into garbage (actually, it looks like it tries to display each byte of the two-byte characters, poor thing). Trying to type Russian in the code window totally bombs for me (the effect is indescribable). I'm new to LC, so I may be missing something crucial here. The phrase in the User Guide about writing your own functions to process strings sounds ominous, and yet they recommend the use of UTF-8, but again speak darkly of implementing an external if you wish to use string handling functions (section 6.4.6 on UTF-8). Can one even assign a Cyrillic string to a variable in the code window? I must be doing something wrong--or should I wait for another version of LC? Any tips will be appreciated, Slava ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
