Re: Subject: Re: ...and Livecode... where are we now
> Sean C. wrote; > Now let me get back to fixing HTML5 for you!! Wow ... Where is the piece I missed? @Heather Every (software) kingdom needs a court jester. They have special rights and nobody should be insulted by them. (And sometimes they say, just as young children, the truth.) ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Subject: Re: ...and Livecode... where are we now
+1 > On Oct 3, 2019, at 12:35 , R.H. via use-livecode > wrote: > > Some of the rants are leading nowhere. > > I do not think that anybody writing as Richmond did has ever been involved > in keeping up a company with such little assumed revenue to pay from for > salaries. And I would love to see such guys running a company and make > money. They will all fail. But to make money is what a company needs to do. > Any constructive suggestion? > > A free community version does not generate income. And rants about > "community" is unfair and the words used are unpleasant to read for users > on the list. They do not convey understanding but express personal anger. > Who shall deal with that? > > There are many parts and waiting bugs that can be addressed, but LiveCode > is a huge endeavor addressed by limited resources. I ran over 100 > developers for business solutions with my own company and know what I am > talking about. > > Put a million dollars in, outsource bug fixing and testing, anticipate a > business model that works. It is very difficult, even impossible, unless > supported by giants nobody here wants to see on board. > > If you can do better, come up with suggestions that do not put everbody > down. There is also a responsibilty when writing to a public group. If you > want politics, go to politics. There is enough hate I do not want to see it > here. > > I never felt and saw that the LiveCode dev team is not serious and not > trying their very best. Nobody in software development can fully predict > how things will work out. It is an inherent problem due to the complexity > of the subject. > > In my company, when I counted estimated development time, I multiplied it > by the factor 4. But who will pay? Only big companies pay serious money for > bug fixing and for each new release. So, I moved main funding to getting > paid for hours spent then. Not so possible here. > > I also paid to the LC fundraising campagne and was already satisfied with > the support for Unicode. I never expected that everything would be possible > to fully do for such relatively small amount of money. I never had such > attitude. And nobody else could have done it. The team worked dedicated and > hard. But they also have to live. > > Hundreds of millions are lost by companies for that complexity reason in > development. It is easy to break down and very hard to build up. > > And in comparison to all those I know as well trying, LC does a fantastic > job for do many years. Thanks to such wonderful team. > > To be on the edge of everything, pay dozens of millions monthly! Not even > Adobe or Microsoft can do it and fail often enough. > > Be decent! > > Roland > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Subject: Re: ...and Livecode... where are we now
Some of the rants are leading nowhere. I do not think that anybody writing as Richmond did has ever been involved in keeping up a company with such little assumed revenue to pay from for salaries. And I would love to see such guys running a company and make money. They will all fail. But to make money is what a company needs to do. Any constructive suggestion? A free community version does not generate income. And rants about "community" is unfair and the words used are unpleasant to read for users on the list. They do not convey understanding but express personal anger. Who shall deal with that? There are many parts and waiting bugs that can be addressed, but LiveCode is a huge endeavor addressed by limited resources. I ran over 100 developers for business solutions with my own company and know what I am talking about. Put a million dollars in, outsource bug fixing and testing, anticipate a business model that works. It is very difficult, even impossible, unless supported by giants nobody here wants to see on board. If you can do better, come up with suggestions that do not put everbody down. There is also a responsibilty when writing to a public group. If you want politics, go to politics. There is enough hate I do not want to see it here. I never felt and saw that the LiveCode dev team is not serious and not trying their very best. Nobody in software development can fully predict how things will work out. It is an inherent problem due to the complexity of the subject. In my company, when I counted estimated development time, I multiplied it by the factor 4. But who will pay? Only big companies pay serious money for bug fixing and for each new release. So, I moved main funding to getting paid for hours spent then. Not so possible here. I also paid to the LC fundraising campagne and was already satisfied with the support for Unicode. I never expected that everything would be possible to fully do for such relatively small amount of money. I never had such attitude. And nobody else could have done it. The team worked dedicated and hard. But they also have to live. Hundreds of millions are lost by companies for that complexity reason in development. It is easy to break down and very hard to build up. And in comparison to all those I know as well trying, LC does a fantastic job for do many years. Thanks to such wonderful team. To be on the edge of everything, pay dozens of millions monthly! Not even Adobe or Microsoft can do it and fail often enough. Be decent! Roland ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
