Re: Subject - LiveCode - I'm not a very happy Bunny

2017-01-08 Thread Mark Schonewille via use-livecode

I saw this and had to think of your post, Tom.

http://dilbert.com/strip/2017-01-08

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Op 06-Jan-17 om 23:17 schreef Tom Glod via use-livecode:

gotta say... looking at livecode.com it  is very clear that livecode is
nearly hoping that people won't notice that there is an open source version
and buy a license because they didn't know any better.

shadyshady.. almost understandable, but why go open source if you
gonna pretend like you aren't?

On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 10:59 AM, Keith Martin  wrote:


On 4 Jan 2017, at 14:11, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

What this message should tell the people on the mother-ship is that they

need to shout a bit louder
about the Open Source version



Amen! The FOSS, Community edition is a great thing, and it's

It'd also be great if the mother ship would also consider, one day, a more
inexpensive way to step up to the level where App Store submission is
possible, perhaps as a short-term (say, 1 month?) window, bundled with
advice for efficient App Store submission? Perhaps something similar for
HTML5 publication in the future? LC is wonderful, but it is feeling more
and more like a product with a 'keep out, professionals only' label on the
virtual box... :-/

Me, I'd SO glad I got Indy in time to keep annual cost just about
affordable. I make peanuts (at most!) from what I build, but that's not the
point for me; it's just too much fun not to be part of the LC builder
community. I did once hope HTML5 would be available as part of that, but
sadly it's separate. :(

k

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Re: Subject - LiveCode - I'm not a very happy Bunny

2017-01-07 Thread Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode
I thought the theory was that getting lots of people to use the open 
source version would lead

to all sorts of benefits to LiveCode:

1. A certain proportion of O.S. users would contribute with bug reports 
and so on.


2. A certain proportion of O.S. users would, in due course, pay for a 
commercial licence when they

felt a need to protect their code from prying eyes.

However, if the "road to the isles" (how to get hold of the O.S. 
version) is hidden away down the bottom of
LiveCode's website's landing page, instead of being "right there", the 
chances of that uptake seems

minimal.

I do get the feeling that LiveCode have an ambivalent view to their 
decision to release an O.S. version;
part of which may be that points #1 and #2 have not happened with such a 
whoosh as perhaps they
had hoped. But this is a circular situation which, I believe, might get 
untangled if LiveCode shouted louder, and all and everywhere, about 
their O.S. version, as well as presenting one of those easy-to-ken charts
showing the differences between the 3 versions of LiveCode they produce 
that is easily accessible to
people who find their way (and part of the problem in "find their way" 
rather than

"have it rammed down their throats") to LiveCode's website.

I have made most of my teaching resources and sample stacks available to 
people here:


http://community.computingatschool.org.uk/door

nobody seems really interested, because they are all stuck on C++, 
Python and VB.Net. Could that
be because, if they get to the LiveCode page the first thing they see is 
an "expensive" piece of

software?

This is, to put things mildly, "an awful pity".

Richmond.

On 1/7/17 12:17 am, Tom Glod via use-livecode wrote:

gotta say... looking at livecode.com it  is very clear that livecode is
nearly hoping that people won't notice that there is an open source version
and buy a license because they didn't know any better.

shadyshady.. almost understandable, but why go open source if you
gonna pretend like you aren't?

On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 10:59 AM, Keith Martin  wrote:


On 4 Jan 2017, at 14:11, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

What this message should tell the people on the mother-ship is that they

need to shout a bit louder
about the Open Source version


Amen! The FOSS, Community edition is a great thing, and it's

It'd also be great if the mother ship would also consider, one day, a more
inexpensive way to step up to the level where App Store submission is
possible, perhaps as a short-term (say, 1 month?) window, bundled with
advice for efficient App Store submission? Perhaps something similar for
HTML5 publication in the future? LC is wonderful, but it is feeling more
and more like a product with a 'keep out, professionals only' label on the
virtual box... :-/

Me, I'd SO glad I got Indy in time to keep annual cost just about
affordable. I make peanuts (at most!) from what I build, but that's not the
point for me; it's just too much fun not to be part of the LC builder
community. I did once hope HTML5 would be available as part of that, but
sadly it's separate. :(

k

---

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Technical Editor, MacUser magazine (1997-2015)
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http://thatkeith.com
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Re: Subject - LiveCode - I'm not a very happy Bunny

2017-01-06 Thread Tom Glod via use-livecode
gotta say... looking at livecode.com it  is very clear that livecode is
nearly hoping that people won't notice that there is an open source version
and buy a license because they didn't know any better.

shadyshady.. almost understandable, but why go open source if you
gonna pretend like you aren't?

On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 10:59 AM, Keith Martin  wrote:

> On 4 Jan 2017, at 14:11, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>
> What this message should tell the people on the mother-ship is that they
>> need to shout a bit louder
>> about the Open Source version
>>
>
> Amen! The FOSS, Community edition is a great thing, and it's
>
> It'd also be great if the mother ship would also consider, one day, a more
> inexpensive way to step up to the level where App Store submission is
> possible, perhaps as a short-term (say, 1 month?) window, bundled with
> advice for efficient App Store submission? Perhaps something similar for
> HTML5 publication in the future? LC is wonderful, but it is feeling more
> and more like a product with a 'keep out, professionals only' label on the
> virtual box... :-/
>
> Me, I'd SO glad I got Indy in time to keep annual cost just about
> affordable. I make peanuts (at most!) from what I build, but that's not the
> point for me; it's just too much fun not to be part of the LC builder
> community. I did once hope HTML5 would be available as part of that, but
> sadly it's separate. :(
>
> k
>
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>
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> Senior Lecturer, LCC (University of the Arts London)
> Technical Editor, MacUser magazine (1997-2015)
> http://PanoramaPhotographer.com
> http://thatkeith.com
> +44 (0)7909541365
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Subject: Re: Subject - LiveCode - I'm not a very happy Bunny

2017-01-04 Thread James Hale
Richmond wrote:
> What this message should tell the people on the mother-ship is that they 
> need to shout a bit louder about the Open Source version, instead of having a 
> green button "buried"  at the bottom of a scroll-down on the title page.

+1

In fact a green button that takes you to a site with no resources (docs, 
lessons, tunes) or comparison to licensed versions. One of the silliest ideas 
they have come up with.





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Re: Subject - LiveCode - I'm not a very happy Bunny

2017-01-04 Thread Keith Martin

On 4 Jan 2017, at 14:11, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

What this message should tell the people on the mother-ship is that 
they need to shout a bit louder

about the Open Source version


Amen! The FOSS, Community edition is a great thing, and it's

It'd also be great if the mother ship would also consider, one day, a 
more inexpensive way to step up to the level where App Store submission 
is possible, perhaps as a short-term (say, 1 month?) window, bundled 
with advice for efficient App Store submission? Perhaps something 
similar for HTML5 publication in the future? LC is wonderful, but it is 
feeling more and more like a product with a 'keep out, professionals 
only' label on the virtual box... :-/


Me, I'd SO glad I got Indy in time to keep annual cost just about 
affordable. I make peanuts (at most!) from what I build, but that's not 
the point for me; it's just too much fun not to be part of the LC 
builder community. I did once hope HTML5 would be available as part of 
that, but sadly it's separate. :(


k

---

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Senior Lecturer, LCC (University of the Arts London)
Technical Editor, MacUser magazine (1997-2015)
http://PanoramaPhotographer.com
http://thatkeith.com
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Re: Subject - LiveCode - I'm not a very happy Bunny

2017-01-04 Thread Richmond Mathewson
What this message should tell the people on the mother-ship is that they 
need to shout a bit louder
about the Open Source version, instead of having a green button "buried" 
at the bottom of

a scroll-down on the title page.

Richmond.

On 1/4/17 2:32 pm, Francis Nugent Dixon wrote:

Hi from Beautiful Brittany,

I am obviously in a physical and technological backwater.

With my 4 Macs, I spend happy 8 hours a day - every day of the week.
I run Mac OS 10.9 (can’t see why I should keep updating to later versions)

With LiveCode, ’tis the same - I’m on 5.5.4, happy as a pig in shit with this
version - programming new apps (for me alone - not looking to sell !)

And I woke up in 2017 to find that LiveCode has been updated (quite a
few times) - And although I didn’t follow what those updates brought
to my beautiful 5.5.4, I kept on developing apps for myself on Mac and PC.

This day in 2017 (already ?) I decided to look to see how far I have
fallen behind - and got the shock of my life (699 a year for INDY and
1999 for Business versions) - no mention of a “fun for you only” version !

We seem to have come rather a long way since free HyperCard. I’m
not complaining - liveCode gives me eons of satisfaction, but I can’t
afford tariffs like this for the new, all singing, all dancing liveCode.

LiveCode information on Internet is very limited. If you want to sell
your apps, start at 699  and pay much more for a full Commercial version !
I heard that there was an educational version free (NO INFORMATION)
DID NOT hear of a NON-COMMERCIAL version for the Home Programmer.

Can any nice person let me know if I can program in a more recent version
of livecode (JUST FOR MY FUN) - without spending ALL of my retirement
pension. I was bitten by a bug in 1959 - and I can’t stop programming !

And - I know that liveCode IS the way ………

Gung-Ho from Beautiful Brittany

-Francis



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Re: Subject - LiveCode - I'm not a very happy Bunny

2017-01-04 Thread Matthias Rebbe
Look here

https://livecode.org 

for more information about the open source version of LC.

Regards,

Matthias

> Am 04.01.2017 um 13:32 schrieb Francis Nugent Dixon  >:
> 
> Hi from Beautiful Brittany,
> 
> I am obviously in a physical and technological backwater.
> 
> With my 4 Macs, I spend happy 8 hours a day - every day of the week.
> I run Mac OS 10.9 (can’t see why I should keep updating to later versions)
> 
> With LiveCode, ’tis the same - I’m on 5.5.4, happy as a pig in shit with this
> version - programming new apps (for me alone - not looking to sell !)
> 
> And I woke up in 2017 to find that LiveCode has been updated (quite a
> few times) - And although I didn’t follow what those updates brought
> to my beautiful 5.5.4, I kept on developing apps for myself on Mac and PC.
> 
> This day in 2017 (already ?) I decided to look to see how far I have
> fallen behind - and got the shock of my life (699 a year for INDY and
> 1999 for Business versions) - no mention of a “fun for you only” version !
> 
> We seem to have come rather a long way since free HyperCard. I’m
> not complaining - liveCode gives me eons of satisfaction, but I can’t 
> afford tariffs like this for the new, all singing, all dancing liveCode.
> 
> LiveCode information on Internet is very limited. If you want to sell
> your apps, start at 699  and pay much more for a full Commercial version !
> I heard that there was an educational version free (NO INFORMATION)
> DID NOT hear of a NON-COMMERCIAL version for the Home Programmer.
> 
> Can any nice person let me know if I can program in a more recent version
> of livecode (JUST FOR MY FUN) - without spending ALL of my retirement
> pension. I was bitten by a bug in 1959 - and I can’t stop programming ! 
> 
> And - I know that liveCode IS the way ………
> 
> Gung-Ho from Beautiful Brittany
> 
> -Francis
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Subject - LiveCode - I'm not a very happy Bunny

2017-01-04 Thread Mike Bonner
Livecode community is what you're looking for. Go to downloads.livecode.com

On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 5:32 AM, Francis Nugent Dixon 
wrote:

> Hi from Beautiful Brittany,
>
> I am obviously in a physical and technological backwater.
>
> With my 4 Macs, I spend happy 8 hours a day - every day of the week.
> I run Mac OS 10.9 (can’t see why I should keep updating to later versions)
>
> With LiveCode, ’tis the same - I’m on 5.5.4, happy as a pig in shit with
> this
> version - programming new apps (for me alone - not looking to sell !)
>
> And I woke up in 2017 to find that LiveCode has been updated (quite a
> few times) - And although I didn’t follow what those updates brought
> to my beautiful 5.5.4, I kept on developing apps for myself on Mac and PC.
>
> This day in 2017 (already ?) I decided to look to see how far I have
> fallen behind - and got the shock of my life (699 a year for INDY and
> 1999 for Business versions) - no mention of a “fun for you only” version !
>
> We seem to have come rather a long way since free HyperCard. I’m
> not complaining - liveCode gives me eons of satisfaction, but I can’t
> afford tariffs like this for the new, all singing, all dancing liveCode.
>
> LiveCode information on Internet is very limited. If you want to sell
> your apps, start at 699  and pay much more for a full Commercial version !
> I heard that there was an educational version free (NO INFORMATION)
> DID NOT hear of a NON-COMMERCIAL version for the Home Programmer.
>
> Can any nice person let me know if I can program in a more recent version
> of livecode (JUST FOR MY FUN) - without spending ALL of my retirement
> pension. I was bitten by a bug in 1959 - and I can’t stop programming !
>
> And - I know that liveCode IS the way ………
>
> Gung-Ho from Beautiful Brittany
>
> -Francis
>
>
>
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Subject - LiveCode - I'm not a very happy Bunny

2017-01-04 Thread Francis Nugent Dixon
Hi from Beautiful Brittany,

I am obviously in a physical and technological backwater.

With my 4 Macs, I spend happy 8 hours a day - every day of the week.
I run Mac OS 10.9 (can’t see why I should keep updating to later versions)

With LiveCode, ’tis the same - I’m on 5.5.4, happy as a pig in shit with this
version - programming new apps (for me alone - not looking to sell !)

And I woke up in 2017 to find that LiveCode has been updated (quite a
few times) - And although I didn’t follow what those updates brought
to my beautiful 5.5.4, I kept on developing apps for myself on Mac and PC.

This day in 2017 (already ?) I decided to look to see how far I have
fallen behind - and got the shock of my life (699 a year for INDY and
1999 for Business versions) - no mention of a “fun for you only” version !

We seem to have come rather a long way since free HyperCard. I’m
not complaining - liveCode gives me eons of satisfaction, but I can’t 
afford tariffs like this for the new, all singing, all dancing liveCode.

LiveCode information on Internet is very limited. If you want to sell
your apps, start at 699  and pay much more for a full Commercial version !
I heard that there was an educational version free (NO INFORMATION)
DID NOT hear of a NON-COMMERCIAL version for the Home Programmer.

Can any nice person let me know if I can program in a more recent version
of livecode (JUST FOR MY FUN) - without spending ALL of my retirement
pension. I was bitten by a bug in 1959 - and I can’t stop programming ! 

And - I know that liveCode IS the way ………

Gung-Ho from Beautiful Brittany

-Francis



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