Re: Take a look back through 2015

[Richard Gaskin]

Ralph DiMola wrote:
> +1
>
> The mother ship has been all over this list and we all appreciate it!

At one time an increased presence here by the core team was perhaps the 
most requested feature, now well executed.  "RESOLVED-FIXED", in a major 
good way. :)



> The best to the RR Team and the use/dev list members and their Family
> and Friends! I would be lost without this list. Hope to see many of
> you good folks next August!

+100

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Re: Take a look back through 2015

[Mark Wieder]

On 12/20/2015 11:02 AM, Jim Lambert wrote:

Let me add to the litany of Livecode LTD’s amazingly accelerated pace in 2015 - 
the unprecedented number of posts by Mark Waddingham to this and the DEV list.

Thank you, Mark, for your always insightful and much welcomed participation 
here.


I'd also like to point out that it's not just Mark, but also Ali, Panos, 
Peter, Fraser, et al, have been very helpful on the lists and forums, 
and your presence is much appreciated.


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Re: Take a look back through 2015

[Kay C Lan]

On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 4:25 AM, Mark Wieder  wrote:

>
> I'd also like to point out that it's not just Mark, but also Ali, Panos,
> Peter, Fraser, et al, have been very helpful on the lists and forums, and
> your presence is much appreciated.
>
> Yes!!! Whilst the stats are very impressive and indicate that the Company
and it's 'Code' is moving forward in leaps and bounds,  in my mind it is
the noticeable increase in posts from @livecode, including Kevin, that has
really put the 'Live' into LiveCode and has made 2015 the best ever and am
really looking forward to 2016.

Oh, and lets not forget:

constant ListMum = "Heather"  --keeper of the best List ever
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RE: Take a look back through 2015

[Ralph DiMola]

+1

The mother ship has been all over this list and we all appreciate it!

The best to the RR Team and the use/dev list members and their Family and 
Friends! I would be lost without this list. Hope to see many of you good folks 
next August!

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-Original Message-
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
William Prothero
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 8:55 PM
To: Use-livecode Use-livecode
Subject: Re: Take a look back through 2015

I’m really looking forward to being able to move to Vers 8 for my development 
and using some of the widgets. I’m not quite there yet, given the issues that 
still remain. However, it is great that the mothership team is on this list and 
responding to questions. I do think it’s been a great year for Livecode, and 
appreciate how freakin’ difficult it is to get all this stuff working at the 
same time. 

So, have a great holiday, team, and personally, I’m looking forward to a great 
new year, bad bugs fixed, great widgets, great LC8 release, and all working 
well.

Peace, Peace, Peace on Earth and good will to all, Bill

> On Dec 22, 2015, at 5:03 PM, Kay C Lan <lan.kc.macm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 4:25 AM, Mark Wieder <mwie...@ahsoftware.net> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I'd also like to point out that it's not just Mark, but also Ali, 
>> Panos, Peter, Fraser, et al, have been very helpful on the lists and 
>> forums, and your presence is much appreciated.
>> 
>> Yes!!! Whilst the stats are very impressive and indicate that the 
>> Company
> and it's 'Code' is moving forward in leaps and bounds,  in my mind it 
> is the noticeable increase in posts from @livecode, including Kevin, 
> that has really put the 'Live' into LiveCode and has made 2015 the 
> best ever and am really looking forward to 2016.
> 
> Oh, and lets not forget:
> 
> constant ListMum = "Heather"  --keeper of the best List ever 
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Re: Take a look back through 2015

[William Prothero]

I’m really looking forward to being able to move to Vers 8 for my development 
and using some of the widgets. I’m not quite there yet, given the issues that 
still remain. However, it is great that the mothership team is on this list and 
responding to questions. I do think it’s been a great year for Livecode, and 
appreciate how freakin’ difficult it is to get all this stuff working at the 
same time. 

So, have a great holiday, team, and personally, I’m looking forward to a great 
new year, bad bugs fixed, great widgets, great LC8 release, and all working 
well.

Peace, Peace, Peace on Earth and good will to all,
Bill

> On Dec 22, 2015, at 5:03 PM, Kay C Lan  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 4:25 AM, Mark Wieder  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I'd also like to point out that it's not just Mark, but also Ali, Panos,
>> Peter, Fraser, et al, have been very helpful on the lists and forums, and
>> your presence is much appreciated.
>> 
>> Yes!!! Whilst the stats are very impressive and indicate that the Company
> and it's 'Code' is moving forward in leaps and bounds,  in my mind it is
> the noticeable increase in posts from @livecode, including Kevin, that has
> really put the 'Live' into LiveCode and has made 2015 the best ever and am
> really looking forward to 2016.
> 
> Oh, and lets not forget:
> 
> constant ListMum = "Heather"  --keeper of the best List ever
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Re: Take a look back through 2015

[Monte Goulding]

Yes indeed, congratulations on a great year and I think we are all looking 
forward to a very interesting 2016. Enjoy your break!

Cheers

Monte

Sent from my iPhone

> On 21 Dec 2015, at 6:02 am, Jim Lambert  wrote:
> 
> Let me add to the litany of Livecode LTD’s amazingly accelerated pace in 2015 
> - the unprecedented number of posts by Mark Waddingham to this and the DEV 
> list.
> 
> Thank you, Mark, for your always insightful and much welcomed participation 
> here.
> 
> Jim Lambert
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Re: Take a look back through 2015

[Bob Sneidar]

Are you implying that Kevin is much more productive with a glass of scotch at 
hand?

Bob S

On Dec 18, 2015, at 15:03 , Richard Gaskin 
> wrote:

> Nice to see that kilted Kevin has a glass of scotch close at hand

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Re: Take a look back through 2015

[Mark Wieder]

On 12/21/2015 02:13 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

Are you implying that Kevin is much more productive with a glass of scotch at 
hand?


Why, yes... Aren't we all?

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Re: Take a look back through 2015

[Jim Lambert]

Let me add to the litany of Livecode LTD’s amazingly accelerated pace in 2015 - 
the unprecedented number of posts by Mark Waddingham to this and the DEV list.

Thank you, Mark, for your always insightful and much welcomed participation 
here.

Jim Lambert
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Re: Take a look back through 2015

[Richard Gaskin]

Mark Wieder wrote:

> On 12/18/2015 03:03 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>> Mark Wieder wrote:
>>  > Yeah, that's an impressive list.
>>  >
>>  > But "3.5x Faster" than what?
>>  > It's like those ads that feature "20% less fat"
>>  >
>>  > Nice to see that kilted Kevin has a glass of scotch close at hand
>>
>> I dunno, the performance boost seems reasonably well reflected in my
>> most recent benchmarks:
>> 
>>
>
> No question about that. Just amused by the wording.

Yes, their promo copy is habitually a bit heavy-handed.

They'd do well to tone it down a bit, err on the side of underselling. 
Let the excellence of the product speak for itself.


A gene pools go, people who find programming enjoyable tend to represent 
the higher side of the IQ bell curve.  Like any street-wise salesman 
will tell you, the smarter the target the softer the sell.


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Re: Take a look back through 2015

[Mark Wieder]

On 12/19/2015 11:12 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:


What opportunities do you see for streamlining file I/O?


Looking at the file access benchmarks, there's a significant difference 
between LC6.7.8 and LC7/8.


Test_FileBinRead: 1,14,14
Test_FileBinWrite: 2,80,78
Test_FileTextRead: 1,156,77
Test_FileTextWrite: 2,96,94

I haven't looked at that section of the engine code recently, and I've 
got my own problems trying to build from source anymore, but it seems 
obvious that some optimization need to be applied to the routines. I 
have no doubt that the almost-two-orders-of-magnitude difference is due 
to unicode translation.


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Re: Take a look back through 2015

[Richard Gaskin]

Mark Wieder wrote:
> I'm dismayed that more attention hasn't yet been paid to improving
> the file operations, but the speed of string operations has benefited
> greatly from recent optimization.

I've only recently cracked my copy of "Linux System Programming" so my 
ignorance has yet to be abated; in my brief review of strace output from 
file operations nothing stands out to me as an obvious bottleneck.


What opportunities do you see for streamlining file I/O?

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Take a look back through 2015

[Steven Crighton]

There was a lot of code written, and plenty tea to keep us fueled.

 

Take a look back through 2015 here - https://livecode.com/our-2015/

 

Enjoy

 

Happy Holidays everyone

 

Steven



 

 

 

 

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Re: Take a look back through 2015

[Colin Holgate]

Do you get to 198 countries by counting Scotland and Edinburgh as their own 
countries?


> On Dec 18, 2015, at 12:55 PM, Steven Crighton <steven.crigh...@livecode.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> There was a lot of code written, and plenty tea to keep us fueled.
> 
> 
> 
> Take a look back through 2015 here - https://livecode.com/our-2015/
> 
> 
> 
> Enjoy
> 
> 
> 
> Happy Holidays everyone
> 
> 
> 
> Steven
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Take a look back through 2015

[Trevor DeVore]

On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Steven Crighton <
steven.crigh...@livecode.com> wrote:

> There was a lot of code written, and plenty tea to keep us fueled.
>
> Take a look back through 2015 here - https://livecode.com/our-2015/


That is a great post Steven! What a productive bunch you have been :-)

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Re: Take a look back through 2015

[EED-wp Email]

+1 I'm really excited to see V8 at full potential! Great work so far. 
Bill

William Prothero
http://ed.earthednet.org

> On Dec 18, 2015, at 9:55 AM, Steven Crighton <steven.crigh...@livecode.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> There was a lot of code written, and plenty tea to keep us fueled.
> 
> 
> 
> Take a look back through 2015 here - https://livecode.com/our-2015/
> 
> 
> 
> Enjoy
> 
> 
> 
> Happy Holidays everyone
> 
> 
> 
> Steven
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Take a look back through 2015

[Richard Gaskin]

Mark Wieder wrote:
> Yeah, that's an impressive list.
>
> But "3.5x Faster" than what?
> It's like those ads that feature "20% less fat"
>
> Nice to see that kilted Kevin has a glass of scotch close at hand

I dunno, the performance boost seems reasonably well reflected in my 
most recent benchmarks:



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Re: Take a look back through 2015

[Mark Wieder]

On 12/18/2015 03:03 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Mark Wieder wrote:
 > Yeah, that's an impressive list.
 >
 > But "3.5x Faster" than what?
 > It's like those ads that feature "20% less fat"
 >
 > Nice to see that kilted Kevin has a glass of scotch close at hand

I dunno, the performance boost seems reasonably well reflected in my
most recent benchmarks:




No question about that. Just amused by the wording.

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Re: Take a look back through 2015

[[-hh]]

> Mark Wie. wrote:
> But "3.5x Faster" than what?
> It's like those ads that feature "20% less fat"

:-)

But: If oldWeight is 3.5*newWeight then newWeight is 1/3.5 of oldWeight what is
71.43% less fat (or whatever).

> Richard G. wrote:
> I dunno, the performance boost seems reasonably well reflected in my 
> most recent benchmarks.

Honestly, how do you conclude the factor 3.5 from these results? Must be an 
exact calculation because of the decimal. Kind of special weighted geometric 
mean?

Here are your results in one list, if anybody would like to do his own 
computations.

-- item1 = 6.7.1-rc2, 2 = 7.0.1-rc2, 3=8.0.0-dp11
Test_ArrayAccess: 19,48,27
Test_ArraySplit: 35,75,57
Test_BuildFilePath: 0,22,14 <-- Take here 1 instead of 0
Test_BuildList: 72,197,98
Test_DecodeArray: 46,79,63
Test_EncodeArray: 9,58,42
Test_FileBinRead: 1,14,14
Test_FileBinWrite: 2,80,78
Test_FileTextRead: 1,156,77
Test_FileTextWrite: 2,96,94
Test_LineAccessByNumber: 518,4684,319
Test_LineAccessForEach: 8,41,17
Test_Lineoffset: 2544,7568,2521
Test_Merge: 220,620,349

[With equal weights one would have:
The average factor of 7.0.1/8.0.0 is around 1.8
(that is "45% less fat" would be comparable)
the average factor of 6.7.1/8.0.0 is around 0.2
(that is "500% more fat" would be comparable)]


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Re: Take a look back through 2015

[Richard Gaskin]

Trevor DeVore wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Steven Crighton <
> steven.crighton at livecode.com> wrote:
>
>> There was a lot of code written, and plenty tea to keep us fueled.
>>
>> Take a look back through 2015 here - https://livecode.com/our-2015/
>
> That is a great post Steven! What a productive bunch you have been :-)

Ditto.

And especially nice to see such a disproportionately favorable number of 
Linux devs using LC:

<https://livecode.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/macchart.jpg>

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Re: Take a look back through 2015

[Mark Wieder]

On 12/18/2015 09:55 AM, Steven Crighton wrote:

There was a lot of code written, and plenty tea to keep us fueled.



Take a look back through 2015 here - https://livecode.com/our-2015/


Yeah, that's an impressive list.

But "3.5x Faster" than what?
It's like those ads that feature "20% less fat"

Nice to see that kilted Kevin has a glass of scotch close at hand

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Re: Take a look back through 2015

[Mark Wieder]

On 12/18/2015 06:02 PM, [-hh] wrote:


[With equal weights one would have:
The average factor of 7.0.1/8.0.0 is around 1.8
(that is "45% less fat" would be comparable)
the average factor of 6.7.1/8.0.0 is around 0.2
(that is "500% more fat" would be comparable)]


OK. If I stop being flippant about this, I think you'd have to compare 
the benchmarks for earlier LC8 builds with the dp11 benchmarks to see 
the real improvement in speeds. There were some operations that were 
painfully slow and are now zippy. I'm dismayed that more attention 
hasn't yet been paid to improving the file operations, but the speed of 
string operations has benefited greatly from recent optimization.


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Re: Take a look back through 2015

[[-hh]]

Accepted, of course. A lot of us can now better live with LC 8.

[Because you are a LC big-cheese I thought more than 5 minutes about how you 
concluded from a factor of *3.5* speed increase to *20%* loss of fat .
(By the way , the rounded result 0.2 gives of course a factor of 5=500%, that 
is an *increase* by 400%, not 500%).]
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