Re: Transparent browser widgets?
On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 1:27 PM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > On 2017-05-15 19:10, Roger Eller via use-livecode wrote: > >> I have to agree with Richard on this. It seems tis always time to add new >> and cool features to iOS and Mac, but not enough time to repair what has >> been broken. Linux isn't as mainstream, but it does have a decent base of >> committed users. I do believe they too would enjoy functional audio/video >> content in their LC apps. Just sayin'. >> > > Um - where did I say the request was going to be implemented NOW? Nowhere > that I can see... > > I filed an enhancement request so the suggestion wasn't lost - why did I? > > Because I recalled adding an opaque property to the mobileControl > "browser" API years ago that did what was requested (on both iOS and > Android, IIRC). Given that Mac now uses WebView and not CEF, and thus > benefits from the flexibility of NSViews directly, it seemed reasonable > that the same approach used then would work on Mac too. > > Therefore, it seemed a reasonable thing to record this fact - it gives no > indication of when it might get done, if at all (of course, being > open-source means that someone who is not us might do it). > > Warmest Regards, > > Mark. > > -- > Mark Waddingham ~ m...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ > LiveCode: Everyone can create apps > > Mark, I've apparently found myself with "a case of the Mondays". So sorry for my mood. Carry on with being awesome. You and the team really are quite awesome! I mean it. ~Roger ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Transparent browser widgets?
On 2017-05-15 19:10, Roger Eller via use-livecode wrote: I have to agree with Richard on this. It seems tis always time to add new and cool features to iOS and Mac, but not enough time to repair what has been broken. Linux isn't as mainstream, but it does have a decent base of committed users. I do believe they too would enjoy functional audio/video content in their LC apps. Just sayin'. Um - where did I say the request was going to be implemented NOW? Nowhere that I can see... I filed an enhancement request so the suggestion wasn't lost - why did I? Because I recalled adding an opaque property to the mobileControl "browser" API years ago that did what was requested (on both iOS and Android, IIRC). Given that Mac now uses WebView and not CEF, and thus benefits from the flexibility of NSViews directly, it seemed reasonable that the same approach used then would work on Mac too. Therefore, it seemed a reasonable thing to record this fact - it gives no indication of when it might get done, if at all (of course, being open-source means that someone who is not us might do it). Warmest Regards, Mark. -- Mark Waddingham ~ m...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ LiveCode: Everyone can create apps ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Transparent browser widgets?
On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 12:03 PM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > On 2017-05-15 16:43, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote: > >> Any chance we'll see the ability to play audio and video at all in >> Linux restored? >> > > I'm not quite sure what relation that has to 'Transparent Browser > Widget'... > > Re-implementing audio and video in Linux is not currently on our near term > todo list. > > Warmest Regards, > > Mark. > > -- > Mark Waddingham ~ m...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ > LiveCode: Everyone can create apps > > I have to agree with Richard on this. It seems tis always time to add new and cool features to iOS and Mac, but not enough time to repair what has been broken. Linux isn't as mainstream, but it does have a decent base of committed users. I do believe they too would enjoy functional audio/video content in their LC apps. Just sayin'. ~Roger ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Transparent browser widgets?
On 2017-05-15 16:43, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote: Any chance we'll see the ability to play audio and video at all in Linux restored? I'm not quite sure what relation that has to 'Transparent Browser Widget'... Re-implementing audio and video in Linux is not currently on our near term todo list. Warmest Regards, Mark. -- Mark Waddingham ~ m...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ LiveCode: Everyone can create apps ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Transparent browser widgets?
Thank you for this, Mark. I realize how many improvement requests the LC staff has to handle, so I do understand why we cannot all have our way whenever we make a request. Sent from my iPhone > On May 15, 2017, at 8:12 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode >wrote: > > I've added: > > http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19697 > > As an enhancement request for an 'opaque' property - at least on > Mac, Android and iOS. > > There is also this: > > http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17613 > > Which, again, should be feasible on Mac, Android and iOS. > > Warmest Regards, > > Mark. > > -- > Mark Waddingham ~ m...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ > LiveCode: Everyone can create apps > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Transparent browser widgets?
Mark Waddingham wrote: I've added: http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19697 As an enhancement request for an 'opaque' property - at least on Mac, Android and iOS. There is also this: http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17613 Which, again, should be feasible on Mac, Android and iOS. These nuances will no doubt be useful on those platforms - thanks. Any chance we'll see the ability to play audio and video at all in Linux restored? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Transparent browser widgets?
I've added: http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19697 As an enhancement request for an 'opaque' property - at least on Mac, Android and iOS. There is also this: http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17613 Which, again, should be feasible on Mac, Android and iOS. Warmest Regards, Mark. -- Mark Waddingham ~ m...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ LiveCode: Everyone can create apps ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Transparent browser widgets?
Hi Mark, Would you guys consider looking into this further? It would give developers so many presentation options. Sent from my iPhone > On May 15, 2017, at 7:19 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode >wrote: > >> On 2017-05-13 19:35, Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode wrote: >> Apparently, both WebView (android) and uiwebview (iOS) have transparent >> modes. >> Would it be easy for the LC team to implement a transparent mode for >> browser widgets, where the background color is transparent, allowing >> other objects to show through? >> This would obviate the need for some the processor intensive image >> transfers in and out of the widget. >> I know one would have to set the background-color of the body element >> to transparent and set a couple of settings in the WebView calls. Is >> that all it would take? > > The browser widget uses a system 'view' (UIView on Mac, View on Android, > HWND on Windows, NSView on Mac and X11 Window on Linux) to host the browser > control - thus whether or not they can be composited with a transparent > background depends on the system. > > For Mac, Android and iOS it is probably possible by just toggling a flag > to say whether the view is opaque or not (although I've not looked into > it). > > For Windows, Linux things are more tricky - as it requires that child > windows composite into the parent window. The 'traditional' model on those > platforms is that child windows are islands-on-their-own. That being said, > CEF does have a windowless mode in more recent versions which might be > usable to get a similar effect. However, I'm not sure what would be involved > in providing that as a choice. > > Warmest Regards, > > Mark. > > -- > Mark Waddingham ~ m...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ > LiveCode: Everyone can create apps > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Transparent browser widgets?
On 2017-05-13 19:35, Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode wrote: Apparently, both WebView (android) and uiwebview (iOS) have transparent modes. Would it be easy for the LC team to implement a transparent mode for browser widgets, where the background color is transparent, allowing other objects to show through? This would obviate the need for some the processor intensive image transfers in and out of the widget. I know one would have to set the background-color of the body element to transparent and set a couple of settings in the WebView calls. Is that all it would take? The browser widget uses a system 'view' (UIView on Mac, View on Android, HWND on Windows, NSView on Mac and X11 Window on Linux) to host the browser control - thus whether or not they can be composited with a transparent background depends on the system. For Mac, Android and iOS it is probably possible by just toggling a flag to say whether the view is opaque or not (although I've not looked into it). For Windows, Linux things are more tricky - as it requires that child windows composite into the parent window. The 'traditional' model on those platforms is that child windows are islands-on-their-own. That being said, CEF does have a windowless mode in more recent versions which might be usable to get a similar effect. However, I'm not sure what would be involved in providing that as a choice. Warmest Regards, Mark. -- Mark Waddingham ~ m...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ LiveCode: Everyone can create apps ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Transparent browser widgets?
I used to have an occasional bug in 8.1.3 where the browser widget would get a transparent background. I had to restart the ide when that happened. So, I think it may be possible. Sent from my iPhone > On May 13, 2017, at 7:15 PM, hh via use-livecode >wrote: > > I'll bet that a transparent background for the browser widget is > impossible to have. This would require that webkit or Chromium > (or whatever LC uses for the browser widget) allow a transparent > background. > > What will be probably possible is setting the blendLevel of the > widget (as a whole), see Mark's note here: > http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19667 > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Transparent browser widgets?
I'll bet that a transparent background for the browser widget is impossible to have. This would require that webkit or Chromium (or whatever LC uses for the browser widget) allow a transparent background. What will be probably possible is setting the blendLevel of the widget (as a whole), see Mark's note here: http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19667 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Transparent browser widgets?
jonathandlynch wrote: > Apparently, both WebView (android) and uiwebview (iOS) have > transparent modes. > > Would it be easy for the LC team to implement a transparent mode for > browser widgets, where the background color is transparent, allowing > other objects to show through? > > This would obviate the need for some the processor intensive image > transfers in and out of the widget. > > I know one would have to set the background-color of the body element > to transparent and set a couple of settings in the WebView calls. Is > that all it would take? I'd guess that it wouldn't be hard to implement, but much harder to implement in a way performant enough for anyone to want to use. :) I believe the browser widget maintains its own buffer, blitted to screen. This makes it fast, but prevents it from mixing its rendering with LC-native controls. For mixed rendering it would need to render within the compositing process Mark Waddingham outlined here a while back in answer to Jacque's question about acceleratedRendering. My guess would be that doing so as rapidly as a browser might conceivably update would be computationally expensive. That's just a guess, though. I'd be happy to be wrong. Integrated rendering of the browser widget would be nice. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Transparent browser widgets?
Apparently, both WebView (android) and uiwebview (iOS) have transparent modes. Would it be easy for the LC team to implement a transparent mode for browser widgets, where the background color is transparent, allowing other objects to show through? This would obviate the need for some the processor intensive image transfers in and out of the widget. I know one would have to set the background-color of the body element to transparent and set a couple of settings in the WebView calls. Is that all it would take? Sent from my iPhone ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode