Re: Will Browser widget ever work on Linux?

[Tom Glod via use-livecode]

Thanks for all the inputs gentlemen

I agree on the need for cross platform embedded browser support.

Will LC use another embedded browser for the mac?

So I guess there are more questions than answers here in terms of a 3
platform solution.

I have my first ssd sitting in the box, and once i install it i will try
not to take it for granted when judging the "performance" of my work.

Cheers,

Tom





On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 12:15 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 12/9/20 8:40 AM, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode wrote:
>
> > Yep, it actually feels great to be a Windows-first LiveCoder.
>
> I'm not gonna get sucked into religious wars here... 
>
> > Like the field, embedded Browser is a way to
> > deliver and display so many different kinds of content that it should be
> > considered a foundational part of LC. Can't afford to let it slip.
>
> Yep. So... browser support on linux?
>
> > Now that I have an SSD, the LC script editor troubles are a thing of the
> > past too. LC simply made the mistake of designing broadly-used software
> > on high-end hardware, so it wasn't a great design, especially for the
> > masses. (Strange because that's usually a beginner's mistake.)
>
> When I worked at Apple I was always the guy who wanted to use the older
> hardware while everyone else was jumping for the latest models because I
> was dead set on finding compatibility bugs. My favorite discovery was
> uncovering a bug in the MPW C compiler because it had only previously
> been tested on the latest shiny new hardware.
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Re: Will Browser widget ever work on Linux?

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 12/9/20 8:40 AM, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode wrote:

Yep, it actually feels great to be a Windows-first LiveCoder. 


I'm not gonna get sucked into religious wars here... 

Like the field, embedded Browser is a way to 
deliver and display so many different kinds of content that it should be 
considered a foundational part of LC. Can't afford to let it slip.


Yep. So... browser support on linux?

Now that I have an SSD, the LC script editor troubles are a thing of the 
past too. LC simply made the mistake of designing broadly-used software 
on high-end hardware, so it wasn't a great design, especially for the 
masses. (Strange because that's usually a beginner's mistake.)


When I worked at Apple I was always the guy who wanted to use the older 
hardware while everyone else was jumping for the latest models because I 
was dead set on finding compatibility bugs. My favorite discovery was 
uncovering a bug in the MPW C compiler because it had only previously 
been tested on the latest shiny new hardware.


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Re: Will Browser widget ever work on Linux?

[Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode]

Mark:

> It's actually OSX where CEF usage was
> dropped, not Windows.

Yep, it actually feels great to be a Windows-first LiveCoder. 
Ironically, things "just work." In fact I'm doing a Windows app right 
now, using - guess what - the Browser widget. Works a treat.


It's hard to overstate how important embedded Browser support is. Along 
with, of course, the field object, which can do much more than most 
people realize. (The cliques and promoters/repeaters in this LC 
community always breathlessly push certain resources, at the expense of 
awareness about others.) Like the field, embedded Browser is a way to 
deliver and display so many different kinds of content that it should be 
considered a foundational part of LC. Can't afford to let it slip.


And the Browser needs to work fairly seamlessly cross-platform, to a 
reasonable extent. That's why we're all here, right?


About Windows: Once upon a time I was a big Mac guy and Mac-first 
shareware author. I was all about Mac...until Apple made some dumb and 
hypocritical UI decisions, contradicting their own doctrine repeatedly 
and destructively. They took a crowbar to the beloved Mac OS and made it 
much less convenient and satisfying to use.


I never jumped ship onto the Linux rowboat. Nice to have that platform - 
and by all means it should be supported. I'm still an enthusiastic 
Mac-second developer, and I welcome Linux work on occasion, but I 
adopted Windows as my primary OS since their UI had some advantages. To 
this day I'm very happy to be firmly cross-platform and proudly 
Windows-first.


Now that I have an SSD, the LC script editor troubles are a thing of the 
past too. LC simply made the mistake of designing broadly-used software 
on high-end hardware, so it wasn't a great design, especially for the 
masses. (Strange because that's usually a beginner's mistake.) Remember 
how the newly open-source LC was going to open up the world of coding to 
the third-world masses? Nope, not gonna happen, not with that kind of 
disk usage! I always design on budget hardware, so that at least the 
middle class can use the end product too.


But now SSD has become the standard for new budget hardware, so very 
soon that will be moot - once again LC runs just fine with modern 
antivirus and Windows 10. (Talking about a real Windows computer - hi 
Richmond - and not a partition or virtualized system. Real PC, real Mac 
is the way to go.) So for users stuck on "the dark side" of Mac or Linux 
- the grass really is greener over here at the moment. Fingers crossed.


Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy

Custom Software Development
"Better Methods, Better Results"
LiveCode Training and Consulting
http://livecodeconsulting.com/

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Re: Will Browser widget ever work on Linux?

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 12/8/20 3:12 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:


LC also has dropped using the CEF on Windows because reasons.


Oops. Have to correct myself here. It's actually OSX where CEF usage was 
dropped, not Windows.


More gory details here



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Re: Will Browser widget ever work on Linux?

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 12/8/20 1:54 PM, Tom Glod via use-livecode wrote:

Hi folks,

I need to know whether there are any plans of making the CEF browser work
correctly on Linux?
I vaguely remember a conversation about it and it seeming like there is
very little hope of that.
Can anyone confirm?


Um. It's complicated.
LiveCode currently uses CEF build 74.1.19 (04 June 2019). The latest is 
build 87.1.12 (07 December 2020). LC also has dropped using the CEF on 
Windows because reasons.


The current maintainer of the CEF is Spotify. I don't know who else 
might be using the framework to provide an embedded browser.

https://cef-builds.spotifycdn.com/index.html#linux64
Although there looks like a good Go library available.
https://github.com/richardwilkes/cef

The problem isn't with CEF itself - I can compile and run the CEF sample 
apps with no problem, but rather with the way it's integrated into the 
LiveCode engine. And I don't know whether there's still a CEF in LC's 
browser future or whether it will go the way of the Windows browser. I 
haven't seen any github notifications of any work being done on the 
LiveCode browser on any platform lately.


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Will Browser widget ever work on Linux?

[Tom Glod via use-livecode]

Hi folks,

I need to know whether there are any plans of making the CEF browser work
correctly on Linux?
I vaguely remember a conversation about it and it seeming like there is
very little hope of that.
Can anyone confirm?

Thanks,

Tom
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