Re: devcon 2022 recap

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Mark Talluto wrote:

> I am happy to say that Richard Gaskin is our first 3rd party provider.
> He wants to make connections for many things external. Databases is
> top on the list the last time we spoke. I’ll ping him to chime in with
> more details.


Thank you, Mark.

The current vision for the plugin is to provide at least basic CRUD 
operations for SQL DBs, which would of course mean MySQL with postgreSQL 
and MariaDB coming along for the ride. Some form of this could become an 
LC tool as well as an Appli component.


The opportunity is obvious: it's nice to have a convenient UI for 
accessing organizational data ponds.


The challenges are two-fold: providing consistent access across what may 
be a wide range of DB API styles depending on IT habits within 
prospective orgs, and authentication methods those orgs support.



DB Access:

The challenge with this is identifying applicable use cases. Where orgs 
using Appli or LiveCode may allow internal direct access to DBs, this is 
a relatively simple matter, as the socket comms for those are consistent.


But most orgs use HTTP-based APIs for DB operations. This is popular 
even for internal use, and usually consider necessary for all 
connections from the open Internet.


Over the coming months we'll be discussing needs with prospective 
customers to identify API patterns to see where we can provide a UI that 
allows them to easily drop in URLs needed for access.  It may be that 
we'll have to offer a setup service to get less technically-inclined 
customers going, but some orgs may not provide external API access for 
internal APIs. We'll see how that unfolds as we learn more about use cases.



Authentication:

Where API authentication is done through httpBasic or OAuth2, LC's 
excellent support for both makes those straightforward.  But many larger 
orgs use LDAP for authentication.


So far I've not seen an LDAP library for LC, and having reviewed the 
LDAP specs it seems a task worth thinking about very carefully before 
committing to delivery.


If any of you know of an LDAP authentication library for LC Script that 
would be very helpful.



More to come as research on this unfolds...

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Re: devcon 2022 recap

[Mark Talluto via use-livecode]

Hi Bob,

I am happy to say that Richard Gaskin is our first 3rd party provider. He wants 
to make connections for many things external. Databases is top on the list the 
last time we spoke. I’ll ping him to chime in with more details.

Best regards,
Mark Talluto

appli.io 
livecloud.io 
nursenotes.net 
canelasoftware.com 


> On Apr 29, 2022, at 10:51 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the Clarification Mark. I'm curious, is there a way to connect to 
> data sources other then the Appli cloud storage? I ask because this was 
> looking like a really good way to port a reduced functionality version of my 
> Forms Generator to some kind of web portal without actually having to develop 
> the web side of things. If I could demonstrate the ability to generate 
> signable PDFs, I might be able to convince my employer to sign up for this. 
> 
> Bob S

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Re: devcon 2022 recap

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Thanks for the Clarification Mark. I'm curious, is there a way to connect to 
data sources other then the Appli cloud storage? I ask because this was looking 
like a really good way to port a reduced functionality version of my Forms 
Generator to some kind of web portal without actually having to develop the web 
side of things. If I could demonstrate the ability to generate signable PDFs, I 
might be able to convince my employer to sign up for this. 

Bob S


> On Apr 28, 2022, at 17:46 , Mark Talluto via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> We should have Appli forums in the coming week or so. I’ll try to keep 
> Appli-related responses to a minimum. 
> 
> Appli comes in two parts. 
> Part 1 - Appli IDE runs as a desktop app that you can download from appli.io. 
> Interesting note: We designed the IDE to work on desktops and tablets like 
> iPads.
> 
> Pat 2 - Appli Player is available from Google Play and iOS app stores.
> 
> Appli makes native apps only. They feel like web apps because they use the 
> cloud for distribution and data storage. We are looking to support the web 
> export feature in LC 10 when it is feasible to do so.
> 
> No-code and low-code
> These are fun words that do not mean much. I said they are great buzz words 
> to have on hand in my conference presentation. :)
> 
> We have wizards that can do complex actions with a few clicks. We also have a 
> list of actions that you can drag onto a workflow that effectively replaces 
> typing code. The killer feature is that you can use actual LiveCode scripts 
> in Appli.
> 
> Canela and LiveCode have partnered to bring a different type of tool for app 
> makers to market. Our collaboration aims to get more people into the LiveCode 
> community. We believe that a larger community will benefit everyone. This 
> summer, we will execute a marketing plan for people outside our beloved LC 
> community to try Appli. We will do our best to excite people to take full 
> advantage of their license features. One of those features is access to the 
> LC IDE (no standalone building).
> 
> Our mutual hope is that new people will try Appli and eventually fall in love 
> with LiveCode. These developers will see Appli, LiveCloud, and LiveCode as a 
> suite as tools to help them make apps.
> 
> Licensing Appli means you are also financially supporting LiveCode. We do not 
> want to generate any uncomfortable friction by providing an alternative 
> method for making apps. Since day one of its existence, we have been LiveCode 
> developers and, long before, with MetaCard. Appli is made 100% in LiveCode. 
> It is a comprehensive example of a complex solution made in LiveCode. 
> 
> The LiveCode team has plans to express the goals of our suite soon. When they 
> announce, I am confident they will clearly articulate the value proposition.
> 
> If anyone has Appli questions, please feel free to write us at 
> he...@appli.io. 
> 
> -Mark Talluto
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2022, at 2:03 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Well I downloaded the Appli app. The starting level is $45 / month, and 
>> storage is pretty sparse, which I can pay more for later. Doesn't look cost 
>> effective for me when I could just create my own web portal. 
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 28, 2022, at 13:58 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, but that's something of an "expert feature" in that intended market, 
>>> much like coding externals for LC.
>>> 
>>> In terms of general product flavor and intent, LC is "low code" and Appli 
>>> is "no code".
>>> 
>>> Given the clear mission for each, they seem good compliments.
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Richard Gaskin
>>> Fourth World Systems
>> 
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Re: devcon 2022 recap

[Mark Talluto via use-livecode]

Hi Everyone,

We should have Appli forums in the coming week or so. I’ll try to keep 
Appli-related responses to a minimum. 

Appli comes in two parts. 
Part 1 - Appli IDE runs as a desktop app that you can download from appli.io. 
Interesting note: We designed the IDE to work on desktops and tablets like 
iPads.

Pat 2 - Appli Player is available from Google Play and iOS app stores.

Appli makes native apps only. They feel like web apps because they use the 
cloud for distribution and data storage. We are looking to support the web 
export feature in LC 10 when it is feasible to do so.

No-code and low-code
These are fun words that do not mean much. I said they are great buzz words to 
have on hand in my conference presentation. :)

We have wizards that can do complex actions with a few clicks. We also have a 
list of actions that you can drag onto a workflow that effectively replaces 
typing code. The killer feature is that you can use actual LiveCode scripts in 
Appli.

Canela and LiveCode have partnered to bring a different type of tool for app 
makers to market. Our collaboration aims to get more people into the LiveCode 
community. We believe that a larger community will benefit everyone. This 
summer, we will execute a marketing plan for people outside our beloved LC 
community to try Appli. We will do our best to excite people to take full 
advantage of their license features. One of those features is access to the LC 
IDE (no standalone building).

Our mutual hope is that new people will try Appli and eventually fall in love 
with LiveCode. These developers will see Appli, LiveCloud, and LiveCode as a 
suite as tools to help them make apps.

Licensing Appli means you are also financially supporting LiveCode. We do not 
want to generate any uncomfortable friction by providing an alternative method 
for making apps. Since day one of its existence, we have been LiveCode 
developers and, long before, with MetaCard. Appli is made 100% in LiveCode. It 
is a comprehensive example of a complex solution made in LiveCode. 

The LiveCode team has plans to express the goals of our suite soon. When they 
announce, I am confident they will clearly articulate the value proposition.

If anyone has Appli questions, please feel free to write us at he...@appli.io. 

-Mark Talluto

> On Apr 28, 2022, at 2:03 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well I downloaded the Appli app. The starting level is $45 / month, and 
> storage is pretty sparse, which I can pay more for later. Doesn't look cost 
> effective for me when I could just create my own web portal. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2022, at 13:58 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, but that's something of an "expert feature" in that intended market, 
>> much like coding externals for LC.
>> 
>> In terms of general product flavor and intent, LC is "low code" and Appli is 
>> "no code".
>> 
>> Given the clear mission for each, they seem good compliments.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Richard Gaskin
>> Fourth World Systems
> 
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Re: devcon 2022 recap

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Well I downloaded the Appli app. The starting level is $45 / month, and storage 
is pretty sparse, which I can pay more for later. Doesn't look cost effective 
for me when I could just create my own web portal. 

Bob S


> On Apr 28, 2022, at 13:58 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yes, but that's something of an "expert feature" in that intended market, 
> much like coding externals for LC.
> 
> In terms of general product flavor and intent, LC is "low code" and Appli is 
> "no code".
> 
> Given the clear mission for each, they seem good compliments.
> 
> -- 
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Systems


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Re: devcon 2022 recap

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Yes, but that's something of an "expert feature" in that intended 
market, much like coding externals for LC.


In terms of general product flavor and intent, LC is "low code" and 
Appli is "no code".


Given the clear mission for each, they seem good compliments.

--
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 Fourth World Systems



Mark Wieder ahsoftware at sonic.net
Thu Apr 28 16:08:44 EDT 2022

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On 4/28/22 12:54, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:

To clarify:

"low code" is just a modern term for what LC's been providing the whole 
time.


"no code" is what Appli does, an adjacent but very different market for 
those whose needs can be satisfied without the nuance scripting provides.




I think what I saw in Mark's keynote is the ability in appli do some 
coding, just not to any extent the deep capabilities of LiveCode. Thus 
"low code".



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Re: devcon 2022 recap

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Richard, I've been pounding the pulpit on this one for some time. Besides the 
default datagrid behavior, I have a whole library of handlers that I use for my 
datagrids that I need to access. To do this, I need my library to be inserted 
*between* the datagrid and the default behavior. This is not presently possible 
without a bit of magic someone sent to me. 

The fix is simple and elegant and has worked for me since I started using it. 
In behaviorsdatagridbuttonbehavior.livecodescript I replaced the private 
function _resourceStack handler with an updated one:

-- Sly Labs! Inline Custom Behaviors
/* 
private function _ResourceStack
   local theStack, theCharNo
   put the behavior of me into theStack
   if theStack is not empty then
  put offset(" of stack", theStack) into theCharNo
  delete char 1 to (theCharNo + 3) of theStack
   end if
   
   return theStack
end _ResourceStack
*/

local sResourceStack

private function _ResourceStack
   local theStack, theCharNo
   
   if sResourceStack is empty then
  put the behavior of me into theStack
  
  repeat
 if trueWord -1 of theStack is "revDataGridLibrary" or theStack is 
empty then
exit repeat
 else
put the behavior of theStack into theStack
 end if
  end repeat
  
  if theStack is not empty then
 put offset(" of stack", theStack) into theCharNo
 delete char 1 to (theCharNo + 3) of theStack
  end if
  put theStack into sResourceStack
   end if
   
   return sResourceStack
end _ResourceStack

-- END Sly Labs! Inline Custom Behaviors

If I then set the behavior of the datagrid to my custom behavior, then set that 
behavior to the default datagrid behavior, then I have nested datagrid 
behaviors. (I think it's a bit more complex but that is the idea.)

What's the advantage you say? Well for instance I have a selectionChanged 
hander that I use for all my datagrids, preventing me from having to code it in 
every datagrid in my app, which is quite a few. That selectionChanged handler 
accomodates a FindBar object so if I am searching for a data record in a 
database, selecting the found record in the datagrid will reload all the other 
associated data. 

Also in that behavior I have a standard method for querying data for the 
datagrids, a standard method for populating fields, buttons and menus on the 
card the datagrid is on, and a mouseDoubleUp handler so that when a user double 
clicks on a datagrid row I can process it. These use custom properties I set 
for each datagrid so that things like the table to query, the primary key, the 
field to focus on when done etc. are accessible to the particular datagrid. 

As a result, all I have to do now to create a new datagrid is copy/paste an 
existing one, name it, change a few custom properties, and set the column 
names, and away it goes. I suppose what would be needed to support this in the 
release versions of LC is a way to easily "insert" a behavior "before" or 
"after" the default behavior. 

Bob S


> On Apr 28, 2022, at 12:57 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Mike Kerner wrote:
> 
> > * This wasn't discussed, but there is supposed to be some
> > fixing coming in dp's of 10 for behaviors, especially
> > nested behaviors
> 
> I missed a bug report: what are the issues with nested behaviors?
> 
> 
> > * Still nothing on dealing with the way groups are handled.
> 
> What aspects of group handling, and how should they be different?
> 
> -- 
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> Fourth World Systems
> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web


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Re: devcon 2022 recap

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

NVM I found it. Not on the app store. 

Bob S


> On Apr 28, 2022, at 13:26 , Bob Sneidar  wrote:
> 
> That looked really interesing to me. The ability to create a no code web app 
> was especially intriguing. I was not able to find the app on the Apple Store 
> though. Where do I get the 45 day demo??
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2022, at 12:02 , Mike Kerner via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> * The whole low-code piece...meh. It feels like they're chasing another
>> dead end.
> 


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Re: devcon 2022 recap

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

That looked really interesing to me. The ability to create a no code web app 
was especially intriguing. I was not able to find the app on the Apple Store 
though. Where do I get the 45 day demo??

Bob S


> On Apr 28, 2022, at 12:02 , Mike Kerner via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> * The whole low-code piece...meh. It feels like they're chasing another
> dead end.


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Re: devcon 2022 recap

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 4/28/22 12:54, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:

To clarify:

"low code" is just a modern term for what LC's been providing the whole 
time.


"no code" is what Appli does, an adjacent but very different market for 
those whose needs can be satisfied without the nuance scripting provides.




I think what I saw in Mark's keynote is the ability in appli do some 
coding, just not to any extent the deep capabilities of LiveCode. Thus 
"low code".


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 ahsoftw...@gmail.com

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Re: devcon 2022 recap

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Mike Kerner wrote:

> * This wasn't discussed, but there is supposed to be some
> fixing coming in dp's of 10 for behaviors, especially
> nested behaviors

I missed a bug report: what are the issues with nested behaviors?


> * Still nothing on dealing with the way groups are handled.

What aspects of group handling, and how should they be different?

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 ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com

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Re: devcon 2022 recap

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

To clarify:

"low code" is just a modern term for what LC's been providing the whole 
time.


"no code" is what Appli does, an adjacent but very different market for 
those whose needs can be satisfied without the nuance scripting provides.


--
 Richard Gaskin
 Fourth World Systems


Mark Wieder wrote:


On 4/28/22 12:02, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:


* The whole low-code piece...meh. It feels like they're chasing another
dead end.


Oh, I gotta disagree there. Just a different target audience.

Maybe not for those of us already in the flock, but I think what's been 
missing from LiveCode is that first-user experience. The one when you 
first launched HyperCard and were able to connect a button to a new card 
without doing anything more than point and click and bang! you had a 
working application. I think appli can be the gateway drug to LC that 
expands the subscriber base, and that's good for everybody.


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Re: devcon 2022 recap

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 4/28/22 12:02, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:


* The whole low-code piece...meh. It feels like they're chasing another
dead end.


Oh, I gotta disagree there. Just a different target audience.

Maybe not for those of us already in the flock, but I think what's been 
missing from LiveCode is that first-user experience. The one when you 
first launched HyperCard and were able to connect a button to a new card 
without doing anything more than point and click and bang! you had a 
working application. I think appli can be the gateway drug to LC that 
expands the subscriber base, and that's good for everybody.


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Re: devcon 2022 recap

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

just a couple of thoughts from the whole two hours I was on for Monday:
* Cough up your $299 for LCG, today.
* This wasn't discussed, but there is supposed to be some fixing coming in
dp's of 10 for behaviors, especially nested behaviors
* The whole low-code piece...meh. It feels like they're chasing another
dead end.
* I heard some hints about discussion of some better object management and
handling. I hope that happens.
* Still nothing on dealing with the way groups are handled.

On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 12:56 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 4/28/22 08:39, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
>
> > I was so impressed especially by the planned new features of LC that i
> subscribed right away to the upcoming  LC Global 22/23 which starts in May
> this year.
> > https://livecode.com/global/global2022/ <
> https://livecode.com/global/global2022/>
>
> Same here. I misjudged the time so I overslept and missed Mark
> Waddingham's keynote but I'll catch it on the rebound. I do think Appli
> gives LC what's been missing to draw in new users, so check out Mark
> Talluto's keynote on day 3 for the details. And I highly recommend Craig
> Newman's lightning talk.
>
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Re: devcon 2022 recap

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On 4/28/22 08:39, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:


I was so impressed especially by the planned new features of LC that i 
subscribed right away to the upcoming  LC Global 22/23 which starts in May this 
year.
https://livecode.com/global/global2022/ 



Same here. I misjudged the time so I overslept and missed Mark 
Waddingham's keynote but I'll catch it on the rebound. I do think Appli 
gives LC what's been missing to draw in new users, so check out Mark 
Talluto's keynote on day 3 for the details. And I highly recommend Craig 
Newman's lightning talk.


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Re: devcon 2022 recap

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

Same here, I'm really looking forward to seeing the iterations of the new 
IDE and features as they happen. The future looks very bright and I want to 
be there.


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HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On April 28, 2022 10:41:12 AM matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
 wrote:


I was so impressed especially by the planned new features of LC that i 
subscribed right away to the upcoming  LC Global 22/23 which starts in May 
this year.
https://livecode.com/global/global2022/ 






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Re: devcon 2022 recap

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Anytime I get to thinking I'm a pretty smart guy, I can just watch one of Mark 
Waddingham's sessions, and be duly humbled. ;-)

Bob S


> On Apr 28, 2022, at 09:06 , Mark Smith via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I thought it was a pretty good conference Mike, and surprisingly well handled 
> by Zoom (although it took me 3 days to figure out what all the bits and 
> pieces of the interface were for) and there were some pretty great 
> presentations. Some I had to miss because of other commitments so I’ll be 
> looking forward to watching them post-conf when Heather has a chance to 
> upload them. There were a lot of very forward looking sessions from Kevin and 
> company, and Mark Talluto had an interesting take on app development 
> presented during his plenary (Appli.io ). Lots of ideas I 
> think on how things could be improved or, as Mark said “made as simple as 
> possible, but no simpler” (or maybe that was Einstein!!). Either way, great 
> quote/comment. Like Matthias, I signed up for the LC Global 22/23 just so I 
> could keep up with it all during the coming year. 

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[Mark Smith via use-livecode]

I thought it was a pretty good conference Mike, and surprisingly well handled 
by Zoom (although it took me 3 days to figure out what all the bits and pieces 
of the interface were for) and there were some pretty great presentations. Some 
I had to miss because of other commitments so I’ll be looking forward to 
watching them post-conf when Heather has a chance to upload them. There were a 
lot of very forward looking sessions from Kevin and company, and Mark Talluto 
had an interesting take on app development presented during his plenary 
(Appli.io ). Lots of ideas I think on how things could be 
improved or, as Mark said “made as simple as possible, but no simpler” (or 
maybe that was Einstein!!). Either way, great quote/comment. Like Matthias, I 
signed up for the LC Global 22/23 just so I could keep up with it all during 
the coming year. 


> On Apr 28, 2022, at 4:12 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode 
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> I did, but I was hoping for some community comment, as well.
> 
> On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 10:15 AM Mark Smith via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Mike, check out the LC blog posts for summaries of Days 1 and 2, not sure
>> if a day 3 will be posted (
>> https://livecode.com/reporting-on-day-1-of-the-livecode-conference/).
>> 
>>> On 28 Apr 2022, at 14:44, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am stuck in a time sink. I missed just about all of the devcon as a
>>> result. Anyone want to fire off on a recap?
>>> 
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Re: devcon 2022 recap

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

A Day 3 will be posted:

https://livecode.com/day-3-and-conference-roundup/ 


:) Enjoy.

Best Regards,

Heather

Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
www.livecode.com



> On 28 Apr 2022, at 15:13, Mark Smith via use-livecode 
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> 
> Mike, check out the LC blog posts for summaries of Days 1 and 2, not sure if 
> a day 3 will be posted 
> (https://livecode.com/reporting-on-day-1-of-the-livecode-conference/).
> 
>> On 28 Apr 2022, at 14:44, Mike Kerner via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I am stuck in a time sink. I missed just about all of the devcon as a
>> result. Anyone want to fire off on a recap?
>> 
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Re: devcon 2022 recap

[Paul Dupuis via use-livecode]

On 4/28/2022 11:12 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:

I did, but I was hoping for some community comment, as well.


Here is my take on the content I was interested in:

1) Web application development. If you are building a new app for the 
web, you can do that pretty well now in LC 9.6.7 and LC 10 will be even 
better.


2) If you have an existing application, say for the Desktop, but also 
for Mobile, depending upon what that app does, porting it to the web 
under LC 9.6.7 can run into problems, under LC 10 it will be easier, but 
10 still has a lot of "developer preview (dp) releases to go before all 
the things that will make web apps under 10 better will be there.


3) The compiler will be a nice addition for most people, an *essential* 
addition if you have some app that is currently performance constrained. 
The compiler is off in the LC 10 (release) and LC 11 time frame.


4) In Kevin keynote he alluded to some possible language/object 
enhancements t o make responsive UI design easier (less coding). These 
may (or may not) include such things as a "group type" object to layout 
panes or rows and columns  for interface elements (other LC objects) and 
- as part of another topic - a new single window IDE design may have 
dockable and undockable windows that may or may not have code support 
that developers can use to make having their own dockable/undockable 
windows built more easily. Some of this work will be a replacement for 
the Geometry Manager (little used due to problems with it)


So, for me, a number of things I am keenly interested in: (1) easier 
posting of existing desktop apps to the web, (2) faster apps, and (3) 
language enhancements that may UI design faster and involves less 
coding. However none of this is available now and it will be arriving 
over various time frames from "soon" to "later".


All comments and interpretations of what was presented are my own.

Paul Dupuis
Researchware

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Re: devcon 2022 recap

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

It was really an amazing event. And although i am not a big Zoom fan, the 
decision of the team to use Zoom was the right one. 
It allowed much more interaction. 

All 3 keynotes were very interesting and make me think and hope that Livecode 
Ltd. is on its right way to grow.

Marks Waddingham's session about the script compiler... Okay, i did only 
understand half or quarter of it... ;) But that was not Mark's fault. It was 
caused by my lack of knowledge.

The sessions 'Automate PDF Forms with LC Server' held by Christopher Flat and  
Michael McCreary's session 'Docker and Livecode Server' were the importan ones 
for me.  


I will definitely view all sessions i missed and will review all sessions i 
joined as soon as the recordings are available. 

All in all it was a really awesome experience  and the next time i will be 
prepared and have my webcam set up. ;)

I was so impressed especially by the planned new features of LC that i 
subscribed right away to the upcoming  LC Global 22/23 which starts in May this 
year. 
https://livecode.com/global/global2022/ 


Matthias


> Am 28.04.2022 um 17:12 schrieb Mike Kerner via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> I did, but I was hoping for some community comment, as well.
> 
> On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 10:15 AM Mark Smith via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Mike, check out the LC blog posts for summaries of Days 1 and 2, not sure
>> if a day 3 will be posted (
>> https://livecode.com/reporting-on-day-1-of-the-livecode-conference/).
>> 
>>> On 28 Apr 2022, at 14:44, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am stuck in a time sink. I missed just about all of the devcon as a
>>> result. Anyone want to fire off on a recap?
>>> 
>>> --
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Re: devcon 2022 recap

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

I did, but I was hoping for some community comment, as well.

On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 10:15 AM Mark Smith via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Mike, check out the LC blog posts for summaries of Days 1 and 2, not sure
> if a day 3 will be posted (
> https://livecode.com/reporting-on-day-1-of-the-livecode-conference/).
>
> > On 28 Apr 2022, at 14:44, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > I am stuck in a time sink. I missed just about all of the devcon as a
> > result. Anyone want to fire off on a recap?
> >
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Re: devcon 2022 recap

[Mark Smith via use-livecode]

Mike, check out the LC blog posts for summaries of Days 1 and 2, not sure if a 
day 3 will be posted 
(https://livecode.com/reporting-on-day-1-of-the-livecode-conference/).

> On 28 Apr 2022, at 14:44, Mike Kerner via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
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> result. Anyone want to fire off on a recap?
> 
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devcon 2022 recap

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

I am stuck in a time sink. I missed just about all of the devcon as a
result. Anyone want to fire off on a recap?

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