Re: ProtonMail vs Apple

2020-08-14 Thread Lagi Pittas via use-livecode
Hi People are missing something here. Apple allows programs from Argos, Sams, Amazon (not books) , Free software access for the yearly fee of $99. They take 30% the FIRST years and subsequently 15% - that second figure to me is the important one. You have access to that market and IF you have

Re: ProtonMail vs Apple

2020-08-14 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
Sean Cole wrote: > It's all a pointless debate. Apple can do what it likes with THEIR > *platform*! if YOU _choose_ not to agree with their policies for use > on THEIR platform, YOU can _choose_ to go elsewhere. > > The same or similar issues come up with ALL brands! Google, Samsung, > Nike, AT,

Re: ProtonMail vs Apple

2020-08-14 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
Lagi Pittas wrote: If you sell a $10,000 worth in the second year you get $8500 without having to spend as much on advertising. Oh? The app store is a directory, not a substitute for marketing. Simply having one of a few million indistiguishably-uniform records in a database is

Re: ProtonMail vs Apple

2020-08-14 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
Lagi Pittas wrote: > I didn't mean no marketing - it's like the folks that buy books about > the law of attraction and sit on their fata arses visualizing a BMW. > > You can sit in your chair visualizing all you want but the BMW, and > bigger house won't come to you if you don't get off your

Re: ProtonMail vs Apple

2020-08-14 Thread Andre Garzia via use-livecode
Sean, > Andre, What on earth are you talking about regards browsers? There is a > crapload of other browsers to choose from on ALL platforms, including iOS. > They all play happily by the rules. Which ones are you talking about that > can't get onto Apple because they choose not to follow the

RE: iOS 12 and browser widget

2020-08-14 Thread Ralph DiMola via use-livecode
J, On some but not all iOS 12 devices you must load local html files from the temp folder. I went around this with Panos for a week before he figured this out. See QCC 22816 https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22816 Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services

iOS 12 and browser widget

2020-08-14 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
I have a browser widget that loads content from the local drive on iOS devices. It works fine with iOS 13 but fails on iOS 12. The app was built with LC 9.6.1 rc 2. I know webkit was changed since we last built a year ago, but shouldn't it still work with iOS 12? When it fails, the browser

Re: ProtonMail vs Apple

2020-08-14 Thread Brian Milby via use-livecode
"Microsoft can do what it likes with THEIR *platform*! if YOU _choose_ not to agree with their policies for use on THEIR platform, YOU can _choose_ to go elsewhere." Absolutely... on THEIR *XBox* platform. Microsoft leveraged anti-competitive practices to squeeze out competition on the

Re: More Standalone Building Weirdness...

2020-08-14 Thread JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode
What if you unload it. Turn messages off. Load your stack and build it right away. Does that work? Op vr 14 aug. 2020 17:25 schreef Paul Dupuis via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>: > The stack where building a Windows Standalone just stays on "Attaching > Engine..." forever had no

Re: Layers in PBrowser

2020-08-14 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
Sean Cole wrote: Richard Watch my videos I posted using Dropbox. It’s madness. And it’s been CONFIRMED and NOT FIXED for a very long time There was more than one video, and several others also reported being unable to reproduce the issue, so my question for Tom was seeking clarity on

Re: ProtonMail vs Apple

2020-08-14 Thread Andre Garzia via use-livecode
Also folks, EPIC didn't do that because "they thought they could get away with it". These are all strategic attacks at Apple at the same time that the EU is looking to maybe mount an antitrust case against them. So you have multiple companies taking action that will either prompt a reaction from

Re: ProtonMail vs Apple

2020-08-14 Thread Lagi Pittas via use-livecode
Hi Richard, I didn't mean no marketing - it's like the folks that buy books about the law of attraction and sit on their fata arses visualizing a BMW. You can sit in your chair visualizing all you want but the BMW, and bigger house won't come to you if you don't get off your ass and meet the

Re: ProtonMail vs Apple

2020-08-14 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
On 8/14/20 9:46 AM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode wrote: It's all a pointless debate. Apple can do what it likes with THEIR *platform*! if YOU_choose_ not to agree with their policies for use on THEIR platform, YOU can_choose_ to go elsewhere. We can't all choose. Remember Mylan, the drug

Re: ProtonMail vs Apple

2020-08-14 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
Brian Milby wrote: "Microsoft can do what it likes with THEIR *platform*! if YOU _choose_ not to agree with their policies for use on THEIR platform, YOU can _choose_ to go elsewhere." Absolutely... on THEIR *XBox* platform. Microsoft leveraged anti-competitive practices to squeeze out

Re: iOS 12 and browser widget

2020-08-14 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
On 8/14/20 3:01 PM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode wrote: On some but not all iOS 12 devices you must load local html files from the temp folder. I went around this with Panos for a week before he figured this out. See QCC 22816https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22816 Oh wow. That's

RE: iOS 12 and browser widget

2020-08-14 Thread Ralph DiMola via use-livecode
By the way you can put all local html files into the temp folder(or subfolders of temp). That works for v13 and all v12 devices. Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdim...@evergreeninfo.net -Original Message- From: use-livecode

Re: Layers in PBrowser

2020-08-14 Thread Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode
Thanks Richard, Brian and Mark. Now that the rush is over I can breathe and try to work this out, again, to make it simple for even simpletons to understand! ;) It is, as said before, an issue that has been an issue for 6 years, gets poo-poo'd and ignored along with the plethora of other

Re: Layers in PBrowser

2020-08-14 Thread Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode
Oh, just to summarize the issue: https://quality.livecode.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=lcfm If an object you wish to move between group layers is on the root of the card it is not a problem. As soon as all of those layers (groups and objects) get nested into a group, that's when things start

Re: Layers in PBrowser

2020-08-14 Thread Brian Milby via use-livecode
Sean I really didn’t mean to imply the issue didn’t exist and was truly attempting to reproduce the environment as closely as possible to see the issue. I went as far as choosing the same object types and structure for the card as in the video including visibility. Is this a stack that

Re: ProtonMail vs Apple

2020-08-14 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode
On 8/14/20 12:06 PM, Lagi Pittas via use-livecode wrote: Same as winning the lottery - you have to have a ticket. Winning the lottery is cheaper if you don't buy a ticket. And the odds are about the same. -- Mark Wieder ahsoftw...@gmail.com ___

RE: Browser Widget and Twitter on iOS 13

2020-08-14 Thread Ralph DiMola via use-livecode
Mark/Panos, Thanks for all your help, this worked like a charm! I got the userAgent from a v12 iPad and v13 iPad. For any other iPad OS version I use the v13 version. Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdim...@evergreeninfo.net -Original Message- From: use-livecode

Re: ProtonMail vs Apple

2020-08-14 Thread Brian Milby via use-livecode
“I'm just a citizen, like billions of others, looking at the ever-more-accelerated concentration of wealth, power, and control into the hands of just five people, and wondering if this is really in everyone's best interests...“ Probably not. But anything considered must be done very carefully

Re: Layers in PBrowser

2020-08-14 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode
On 8/14/20 3:33 PM, Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote: If I can get a stack that demonstrates the issue, I would like to poke around and see if anything jumps out. If it is engine level, it is probably a bit out of my lane (although I have contributed a few lines of C++). If it is IDE I

Re: Browser Widget and Twitter on iOS 13

2020-08-14 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode
On 8/14/20 2:54 PM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode wrote: Mark/Panos, Thanks for all your help, this worked like a charm! I got the userAgent from a v12 iPad and v13 iPad. For any other iPad OS version I use the v13 version. Just curious... what userAgent string worked for you? -- Mark

RE: Browser Widget and Twitter on iOS 13

2020-08-14 Thread Ralph DiMola via use-livecode
There is a song to be written for https://webaim.org/blog/user-agent-string-history/. It may have multiple time signatures... but I digress. Here's the code that's working for me: if the environment = "mobile" and the platform = "iphone" and the machine contains "iPad" then -- one can never be

Re: Layers in PBrowser

2020-08-14 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
On August 14, 2020 8:10:59 PM "Sean Cole \(Pi\) via use-livecode" wrote: Oh, just to summarize the issue: https://quality.livecode.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=lcfm I'd hardly call 16 bugs "abandonware". They've fixed far more than that. LCFM is important. I know you don't believe it, but

Re: Browser Widget and Twitter on iOS 13

2020-08-14 Thread panagiotis merakos via use-livecode
Hello all, Definitely this is related to the user-agent. It seems twitter recently has become stricter on this: https://help.twitter.com/en/using-twitter/twitter-supported-browsers

Re: Layers in PBrowser

2020-08-14 Thread Pi Digital via use-livecode
Richard Watch my videos I posted using Dropbox. It’s madness. And it’s been CONFIRMED and NOT FIXED for a very long time https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18818 https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19455 Probably FIXED but still marked as CONFIRMED

Re: ProtonMail vs Apple

2020-08-14 Thread JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode
Waaah, now even EPIC with Fortnite has been kicked off the appstore, because they found a way to sell things past the appstore. And then Apple don't get 30% https://tweakers.net/nieuws/170916/apple-verwijdert-fortnite-uit-app-store.html It's in dutch but you get the message. or this one

RE: Browser Widget and Twitter on iOS 13

2020-08-14 Thread Ralph DiMola via use-livecode
Thanks Panos and Mark! So... to recap.. 1) get the userAgent in Safari on my 10.14.6 Mac 2) in App (If the platform="iphone" then set userAgent to this value). Should I use the userAgent globally for all browser widget http(s) requests on platform = iphone? Will this affect any other tsNet

Re: Browser Widget and Twitter on iOS 13

2020-08-14 Thread Mark Waddingham via use-livecode
On 2020-08-14 14:01, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote: On 2020-08-14 13:31, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode wrote: Should I use the userAgent globally for all browser widget http(s) requests on platform = iphone? Isn't the issue on iPad? Hah - ignore this - I forgot to edit it when I

Re: ProtonMail vs Apple

2020-08-14 Thread Kee Nethery via use-livecode
Bypassing Apple in app purchasing is technically trivial, plenty of apps have done it for years and they have followed the App Store rules when doing so. Physical services (eg Plumbers) and physical products (eg Amazon) they cannot use Apple IAP. Digital goods and services (eg Epic) are

Re: ProtonMail vs Apple

2020-08-14 Thread Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode
Hi all, It's all a pointless debate. Apple can do what it likes with THEIR *platform*! if YOU _choose_ not to agree with their policies for use on THEIR platform, YOU can _choose_ to go elsewhere. The same or similar issues come up with ALL brands! Google, Samsung, Nike, AT, Ford, Cadbury, so on

Re: More Standalone Building Weirdness...

2020-08-14 Thread Paul Dupuis via use-livecode
The stack where building a Windows Standalone just stays on "Attaching Engine..." forever had no 'closeStack' handlers at all. I added the following: on closeStack -build close issue-- if the environment is "development" and \ there is a stack

Re: Browser Widget and Twitter on iOS 13

2020-08-14 Thread Mark Waddingham via use-livecode
On 2020-08-14 13:31, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode wrote: Thanks Panos and Mark! So... to recap.. 1) get the userAgent in Safari on my 10.14.6 Mac 2) in App (If the platform="iphone" then set userAgent to this value). Pretty much - although I recommend not using the userAgent string from a