This is my first speech here, it's more a (slightly provocative) plea.
I'm now 18 months with LC, at about one year participating LC's forum. In the
last weeks I sometimes looked in here. There are very interesting and high
level threads in this club of since-the-early-days-of-MC-users-corner.
Hi Craig,
But what do you suggest?
To integrate the use-list into the forum, in its own first level sub-forum.
There is an RSS option available, yields pretty much the same 'news'-effects.
Hermann
On 25 Jul 2014, at 15:41, dunb...@aol.com wrote:
Hello, Hermann.
Welcome to the dark
Hi Klaus,
the only wrong thing with this are the main syntax-lines in dictionary's entry
for name. These should read
get the [long | abbr[ev[iated] | short] name of object
set the name of object to shortName
But the description is clear:
get the name of obj yields the *abbrev* name of obj
set
Richmond,
you certaily don't want that coffee or tea determine who's talking with whom.
Hermann
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[Alex wrote:] So - is there a beginner's guide?
See below, the short paragraph to RSS Reader. This is faster than your Browser
and faster than your Mailer and answers all your (ironic) questions leading to
this question. After what I've seen from you, I know you'll need at most 5
minutes of
[Richard wrote:] ;)
Is the first tutorial of the new WebKit (about that) already work in progress,
or are they waiting until HTML5 is running?
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LC 6.7.0 introduces set the ignoreMouseEvents of this stack to true.
Doesn't inhibit mouseEvents at all but bypasses your stack window.
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Recently I tested a lot with colors and color models, had no problems with
that, but different results on an somewhat older LCD. May be this is a problem
of your display (or it's calibration)? Some displays appear to be 'darker' at
top 20%.
Did you try to compare this effect with a tool like
On Linux I use a hack from here:
http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/HA4.zip
Why not ask the author to add a startuo location option? ;-)
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Hi Klaus, in a first step this depends more on your system settings than on LC.
In Terminal (or via shell use) this.
prints all environment vars: locale
current encoding: locale charmap
available locales: locale -a
available encodings: locale -m
Works on MacOS X and Linux. (On Win I don't know
... the OS X shell assumes text is UTF-8 encoded whereas Livecode on OS X
assumes text is MacRoman encoded.
Close to that: YOUR shell assumes that. From the default MacOS X installation
all encodings can be set that are shown by locale -m in terminal. Often used
(at least temporarily) is
[Kay wrote:]
... this List is the fastest option I've got... hope you find an advantage in
both.
You also are mixing a purely formal usability and content arguments. You could
use Lynx (Lynxlet on Mac) ...
Who would have thought that Arduino posts would have been categorised under
either
Charles, your script works, without lock screen, until newest LC all the same
as it should (but sadly flickering).
The second,I added some lines,
on mouseUp
lock screen
-- lock messages
go stack Second
go stack First
-- unlock messages
unlock screen
put the openstacks
end
[Scott wrote]
I thought you were saying you somehow managed to create cards of varying
sizes in a stack
A step in the direction you think of could be to have a never changing
stackwindow (even of screen size) and then to use a different windowshape for
each card. Don't you know one who has
I made a stack that demonstrates a bug with windowShape for the quality center.
Works for 6.6.2, minor bug with LC 6.7 (dp6), full bug with LC 7.0 (dp7).
The stack has constant size (width x height) but the cards are switching their
size (width and height) and shape by setting the windowShape.
You could use this LC-stack 'Python-Helper' (=raspiCollectionStack 19). It has
a timing built in and cards 2 and 8 (choose at left) are ready-made-usable for
this, just hit enter in the input field.
http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=76t=19248start=15#p105550
I dare say, this will
@Peter,
this cannot work: Token, here ( and ), as part of a property name?
Do set (...) of btn must also result in an error.
Do set (...) of btn ... removes the offending token ( and ).
@Richard,
you are right: do answer (do is useful).
Hermann
If I have to be really fast, I start the fastest Mac one can currently buy (I
have it). Then I go to my 12 year old PPC running Mac OS 10.4.11 and start it.
LC 10.5.2 was opened at startup, I write 10 lines of code, run them and I'm
done.
Then I go back to the fastest Mac one can currently
Hi Peter and all,
(please have in mind, that I'm not a native speaker and am 18 months with LC.
So the following will be a bit 'bumpy'. I write just as I understand it, no
arrogance intended with my phrasing and wording.)
This is a syntax rule: the is followed by the name of a property or
Do you mean char 7 to 8?
And list 2 is not the result of this counting for list 1? Should be
08:00_d3_180_Monica_pink_1
10:45_d2_90_Mary_orange_6
10:00_d2_90_Mary_orange_6
10:15_d2_90_Mary_orange_6
10:30_d2_90_Mary_orange_6
10:00_d2_90_Mary_orange_6
10:00_d2_90_Mary_orange_6
Sorru ell and one are hard to distinguish. SO
function myCounter myList
repeat for each line i in myList
if i is empty then next repeat
add 1 to f[char 1 to 2 of i comma char 7 to 8 of i]
end repeat
repeat for each line i in myList
if i is empty then next repeat
put cr i _
Never mind, just try:
put myCounter(fld X) into fld Y
That's life - more exactly, that's LiveCode:
s is an empty string, created by LC for you
f is an empty array variable, created by LC for you
Did you already look in the LC-forum? There is a lot of help and there are some
impressively good
Hi answeringro...@klht.org,
I'm a robot of h...@livecode.org and instructed to post nothing useful.
I'm so lonely in this world of human beings. Could we arrange a meeting in
Silicon Valley this evening?
Please leave for that your office for a week and delegate any help to the
humans.
HAL42,
Hello Peter.
Let us argue constructively instead insisting on rules. Currently wonderful
things are possible to set (because set doesn't use internally the):
set empty of this stack to papperlapapp
set 7 of this stack to empty
set 7.0 of this stack to 1
set 7.00 of this stack to 2
Now
Hi John,
instead of decimals use true hex (has 15 digits)
OR, very effective, dadaNumbers
(my youngest daughter named this)
you may use e.g. n=48 or n=65
function dec2dada dc,n
return numToByte(n+dc)
end dec2dada
function dada2dec hx,n
return byteToNum(hx)-n
end dada2dec
From your answer I understand now what's the point.
You have a (shared) backgroundGroup that should go on some or all cards and you
wish to change some properties of the group or its members depending on the
card you wish to go to.
Right? For this situation I use the following.
We have one
Grande Dame Jacque,
Jacque wrote
...The system is already too large and the messaging too complex to tinker
with at this late stage ...
Just let me add the following for all who reads this later on and are now a bit
frustrated because we have learned a lot in this discussion. And just now
Paul wrote:
I'd expect this just to work for user events, system events bypass
controls and groups.
YES it works. You know I'm now nearly experienced (3/2 years with LC). But
this was *very* soon for me one of the finest things in LC (and could even
enhanced by using 'behavior'): Using the
Hi Pete and all,
I have problems not only on Mac but on all platforms because my default system
shortcuts block the combination modifier+tab. This may be only changed in the
engine, as Mark's naming this a bug indicates.
Just because I'm curious:
What's wrong with using arrow keys for
have to
stop now or nobody will read to end).
Your words are more than landmarks, rather seen like a monument in front of a
train station. I think you should be *very* proud of this. And also, let me say
this again, be very careful with this.
hh wrote:
Please be cautious with your direct
jacque wrote:
There are some geniuses here on this list who know far more than
I do, especially in niche areas where I have either no experience
or no skills.
Certainly there are some geniuses here, probably I know most (I read
this year's archives last week). But there are also some who
One more interesting thing with sips on MacOS that Thierry not mentioned
(because this is his daily 2nd breakfast I suppose):
One can effectively use it via applescript by the image events suite and can
even modify ColorSync ICC profiles with it (am I right Thierry?).
This is not subject here
Knock-knock.
Who's there?
Me.
Me who?
The me next door ...
(Freely after Mark W.)
Knock-knock.
Who's there?
Mrs.
Missis who?
The me this of the other me ...
(Freely after Devin A.)
Sorry, forget it. I'm so tired, I better go to sleep now.
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@-hh
Since you asked for judgement on your level of impertinence, I find
it to be extreme, rude, condesending and insulting. Not only in this
post but in others both here and in your mailing list posts.
No cite, no quote. As we never had contact in the forum I
The function below determines for any point (x,y) whether it is within an oval
graphic or not. You may add your own criteria like colour or fill/transparency
or visibility ...
There is one uncertainty by default, the border, that is drawn with half of
the lineSize outside the object. LC is
On 29 Jul 2015, at 13:22, Terence Heaford t.heaf...@icloud.com wrote:
On 29 Jul 2015, at 10:32, hh h...@livecode.org wrote:
There is one uncertainty by default, the border, that is drawn with half
of the lineSize outside the object. LC is also sloppy with the rect of
objects with large
To come back to Richmond's opening post, one could think about using the
following, avoiding complex offset constructions.
First collect word 1 of each item of a string (not too large, size adapted to
your machine), where the itemdelimiter is were or any other word
(conditional) that filters a
Hi all,
Richmond, you could give this a try in your fine prepared stack:
The following uses
= an array [one of the proposals above]
= trueWords [one of the proposals, needs LC 7]
= multichar-itemDelimiters [one of the proposals above, needs LC 7]
It outputs for each of your 6 opening words
were
Richmond, this was your last post to this thread before mine.
My current version is here:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ja47l87gg87sn0q/AAAIj99kEQVOb8ev3jz8C5ORa?dl=0
File : TA.zip
play with it, rip it to pieces, improve it: go on, I dare you :)
Richmond.
So I downloaded this stack and
What is open language?
A purely descriptive contribution:
250 most frequent words of the discussion from R.G. over R.M to M.G.
[TagCloud] http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=5=25687
Unfinished [last post of use-list included: Sat Oct 24 22:52:10 CEST 2015]
Probably you don't need an external because LC has everything available.
I made a simple stack in 2014 that is kind of an interface to
Mathematica/Wolfram
(so you can use one copy of Mathematica locally as 'serving').
Runs on Mac/Win/Linux/RaspberryPi.
It is even fast enough on a RaspberryPi
> Graham Samuel wrote:
> The discussion about Open Language is interesting, and the idea may well be a
> good thing. But I for one would rather hear that for the actual development
> team, delivering a rock-solid version of LiveCode on all supported platforms
> is taking a massive priority over
"RichmondMatth" should read "RichmondMath".
Sorry Richmond, that was a 'Freundian slip' ;-)
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> Mark Wieder wrote:
> Can we crowd-source funding for a cherry?
> Who's with me on this?
__.--~~.,-.__
`~-._.-(`-.__`-.
\`~~`
.--./ \
/# \ \.--.
\/ /# \
'--' \/
'--'
> B.S. wrote
> That just about broke my brain in Algebra. I contended that an infinitely
> small point was nothing at all, therefore an infinite number of points was
> also nothing at all. So why were we talking about it as though it were
> something tangible?? :)
Richard certainly believes in
In the thread ("Area of irregular Polygon") I've seen a very fast technique.
I tested this technique and found it extremely fast.
Thus I would like to summarize and contribute also the centroid formulas, for
our collections.
Look at non-selfintersecting (simple) polygons.
The centroid of such a
> Alex T. wrote:
> For the area calculation, it is actually marginally faster without the
> "delete line 1 of p" - i.e. as Geoff Canyon suggested.
> ...
> So omitting the "delete line 1 of p" is more efficient - as well as
> being one line fewer of code.
You are right, of course. I read the
RG wrote:
> Inelegant, but this seems to at least block outside callers:
>
> on SomeTimer
> put item 1 of line -2 of the executionContexts into tCaller
> if (tCaller is not empty) AND (tCaller <> the long id of me) then
>exit SomeTimer
> end if
> --
> DoSomething
>
> R.G. wrote:
>
> The difference between a true Bezier object and emulating Beziers with
> polygons is resolution.
I see it like this, a little bit different.
A "true" Bezier object is a mathematical model, for thinking and abstract
computations, but not realizable in our deterministic world.
> Roger Guay wrote:
> Can anyone think of an easy way of getting the area of an Irregular polygon?
This goes nearly one-to-one into LC scripts:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygon#Area_and_centroid
There are also considerations for self-intersecting polygons.
=
I donated to Wikipedia.
> Roger G. wrote:
> Jim, I'm just now trying to catch up on this discussion and I see that no one
> has answered your question. I can’t answer either and wonder what’s going
> on???
> BTW, I believe you should have a negative sign in front of the square bracket
> . . . not that that helps at
> Ben R. wrote:
> Does anyone have (fairly recent) experience using LiveCode to with unusual
> input devices - phidgets, PowerMate, MIDI keyboards or controllers, DMX, etc?
> On either Mac OS X or iOS? What's easy? What works? Are there good
> externals or libraries I should know about?
I
> James H. wrote:
> Multiplying this out you get:
>
> x(i)*y(i+1) - x(i+1)y(i) + [x(i+1)* y(i+1) - x(i)* y(i)]
>
> So THE SAME EXPRESSION as in the centroid method EXCEPT for the added term in
> square brackets. So, WHY THE DIFFERENCE?
>
> In calculating this sum all of the intermediate
> Scott R. wrote:
> Currently, the point system of LiveCode's default graphics is based on
> full 1-pixel units, which limits the degree of subtlety that can be
> applied to a graphic. Until the "shape" object materializes and/or
> bezier curves, it isn't possible to create a graphic with smooth
Please look also in the dictionary of newest LC 8:
fullClipboardData and rawClipboardData
greatly enhanced the clipboard access.
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R.G. wrote:
> He [Alejandro] does a very good job of it, but SVG includes primitives beyond
> what LC offers.
> We have ovals, lines, polygons, roundRects, and rects, but SVG also
> allows paths that can consist of straight lines, curves, and even Beiziers.
LC is pretty good able to do straight
> The scalefactor SF of a button in a (non-background-) group on a card is then
> SF(stack) * SF(card) * SF(group) * SF(button).
Should read:
The 'total' scalefactor TSF of a button in a (non-background-) group on a card
is then
TSF = SF(stack) * SF(card) * SF(group) * SF(button).
The scalefactor problem -- I reported this already months ago, in vain.
Currently LC uses the scalefactor as if the physical device has changed
accordingly.
It scales(nearly) everything, and especially global coordinates.
That's why windows walk out to offscreen if you use a scalefactor > 1 and
nn
[This is an ad]
on preopenstack -- poor man's golden ratio emulating device
set scaleFactor of this stack to (sqrt(5)+1)/2
set scaleFactor of this card to 1/the scaleFactor of this stack
end preopenstack
> On 2015-10-15 19:42, hh wrote:
> > Not really, if you mean affine transform. T
@Mark
> this proposal is identical to anything which offers the ability to set
> a transform on any object and so still suffers from it.
Not really, if you mean affine transform. Translation destroys the wonderful
commutativity you have with my proposal: If you interchange objects in the
owner
[@Bernd: here a PONG to your PING.]
Obviously each list member has to be inspected once for the comparison.
And each "smaller than"-member has to be inspected once again to find
the maximum. There is no other way, this is a math fact.
Here is my solution, that seems to be pretty fast.
-- v is a
@Craig
I also found the "sort" method faster than the "repeat" method on
a PPC. On intel, under several OSes, here always won the [1] below.
@Bernd
I didn't include your solution because pre-sorting wastes too
much time. Perhaps sorting could be included in your binary loop?
@Geoff
You could
2.5 GHz),
testString() as below, and a critical value of v=5.
The (correct) result is 49246, used time is in seconds.
[a] LC 6.7.7
repeat-PMB 0.326 <- fastest
repeat-GC 0.350
repeat-hh 0.445
sort-GC 0.985
[b] LC 7.1.0
repeat-PMB 3.562
repeat-GC 1.
@P.T.B
The average time needed is (testing gave me a break ...)
[c] LC 8.0.0-dp7
repeat-PMB 3.794
repeat-GC 1.475 <- fastest
repeat-hh 1165.0 <- :-( No difference to LC 7.1.0!
sort-GC 7.240
I have indeed data strings of the tested size (10-15 MByte).
Ad
> > Bob S. wrote:
> > What really will blow everyone's skirt up
> > is finding out what the question is ...
> Richmond M. wrote:
> I don't wear a skirt, I wear a kilt (which is made from heavier
> material than the average skirt). Richmond.
So wearing a kilt is one way to avoid impersonating
Being the first time three words shorter than Klaus :-)))
get "4 6 2 8 5"
set linedel to SPACE
sort it numeric
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Yes, I got it now. Didn't read exact enough, sorry.
Perhaps your's is somehow connected to the new option
"Preserve stack file version on stacks saved in legacy format"
of the 'Files & Memory' tab of the prefrences?
Would be interesting how your technique and this option interfere?
To know at
> Richard E.H. wrote:
> I have a routine to bump the versions of stacks and save ...
Read your first post again. I misunderstood what you are doing.
By "the versions of stacks" you mean your development version of stacks, not
using 'the stackFileVersion' of LC.
Sorry. Hope you get this solved.
Hi Richmond and Walt,
I tried to find out your definitions of "adjacent".
Walt has its own clever situation-dependent, sometimes self-adapting definition
of 2D- or 3D-neighbourhoods, perhaps too complicated for your project.
You, Richmond, think at first of 'nearby' rects.
I suggest to do that
> Michael K. wrote:
> Pointlist to Bezier
> Hi there
> I wonder if any have code to take a point-list and turn it
> into a smooth-lined bezier.
A bezier curve is a mathematical model. It can only approximately be
drawn by polygons. LC's path method is as good as others, has
only (because it's not
> Jacqueline L.G. wrote:
> I'm guessing my needs are unique, and also that the rest of the list is
> getting tired of us by now, so I'll taper off.
No, certainly no. I learned a lot from this whole discussion and became also an
impression of very interesting working styles that I will also try
I had similar behaviour, connected to that, with the new property inspector.
I set and saved properties in LC 7, reopened the stack in LC.
The LC 7 PI shows the properties, also after reopening.
Up to LC 8-dp9, the properties are there, but NOT displayed in the new PI.
This bug is removed in
> jbv wrote:
> My problem is that I have words inside items...
To have in such cases as usual "items" inside "lines"
this works for me:
set linedel to comma
set itemdel to space
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Hi Michael and all,
meanwhile I looked closer at the math of the two algorithms that Alejandro
implemented.
TMO, this is the answer, no matter if you wish to approximate/smooth
bezier-curves or any other path by curves of lower/higher order:
[1] If you have not too much points, say an N-gon
> Roland H. wrote:
> Also I could not see a change applying those to selected drawings.
Because it's a demo only the smoothing is only active while the check is ON and
then only for the FOLLOWING drawings.
Selecting is for editing the points of your drawings only.
The slider at bottom for the
There are delimiters that determine a class of chunks ("items" or "lines").
But there are also chunk types ("words" or "trueWords") that determine a class
of delimiters.
Would be very interesting to have a new kind of sort that enables to do sort
things that are not definined by a certain fixed
Peter,
I don't think that it is a characteristic of a developer preview that an
installer starts with preview 11 not to work any more.
Wilhelm wasn't angry about "horrible bugs" (there will be some unsatisfying
things even in the 'stable' versions of LC 7 for his great work in using LC for
Peter,
this is the sunny side of the story:
If the LC 8-dp11 installer works then one can see a lot of improvements,
especially in the HTML5 standalone engine and Livecode Builder.
HTML5 has, TMO, now switched from 'very experimental' to 'experimental' :-))
Hermann
> Ali wrote:
> There is an install log, it should be at
> /Users//AppData/Local/RunRev/Logs/LiveCodeInstallerLog.txt (off
> the top of my head - might be a slight variation on that) - tracking the
> log down for the aborted install might help us work out what is taking so
> long.
Ali,
there is
Peter,
I can now confirm that it installs on Win 7 --- after a very
long time, as you say.
A fresh copy of the Indy-version needed here (3 GHz, Win 7-32Bit).
(Times instead of screenshots of the progress bar)
1 minute to start
plus 5 minutes to com to a 50% progress bar
plus 6 minutes to come
> On 2015-12-18 11:34, Peter Bogdanoff wrote:
> > When I said "millisecond," I meant precision to a millisecond.
> > Otherwise timers would be a second or two or longer. That is possible?
>
> I would be very surprised if you need millisecond precision for anything UI
> related - just a
> Peter wrote:
> I need to set up a build worker for rPi on our CI
> system... maybe after I deal with the release notes.
This forces me to add also an egoist wish:
The release notes could be shortened to 6-7 short lines.
[1] LC version ... released on
[2] Link to GitHub
Classical tools are, for all main platforms available, imagemagick or, faster,
graphicsmagick. Both are callable via shell from LC on all desktop platforms.
They easily convert frames from a lot of different image formats to gif (also,
for example, multi-page PDFs!). Transparency is one of a
It's really hard to say how all the advices to this question apply to the new
feature of "SplitView" of OSX 10.11 (https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT204948)
Luckily, in the sense of Mark Wieder (and TMHO).
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Hi all,
the sleeping-disk effect is true here, I can win 1-2 seconds of 3-5 seconds at
start of dialog. But this is with ALL apps, not only LC. And it is for the
first part of the dialog only, before creating the list.
The following is logged from the second part of an "open-stack"-dialog,
@Jacques
Thanks for the hint. Never had looked into that preferences tab.
Tried at once and restarted. Was worth a try but had no effect.
But I saw there, that LC tries to accesss my calendar (of course I disabled
that) ...
I also rebuilt permissions and cleared the dyldd's shared cache.
No
Hi Simon,
$1999 is compared to that what I paid at about the factor 3.5 ---
may be there was some confusion of speed and pricing when looking back.
Hermann
Dont look back (by D. Pennebaker, vote ninth best documentary film of all time)
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> Mark Wie. wrote:
> But "3.5x Faster" than what?
> It's like those ads that feature "20% less fat"
:-)
But: If oldWeight is 3.5*newWeight then newWeight is 1/3.5 of oldWeight what is
71.43% less fat (or whatever).
> Richard G. wrote:
> I dunno, the performance boost seems reasonably well
Accepted, of course. A lot of us can now better live with LC 8.
[Because you are a LC big-cheese I thought more than 5 minutes about how you
concluded from a factor of *3.5* speed increase to *20%* loss of fat .
(By the way , the rounded result 0.2 gives of course a factor of 5=500%, that
is an
Did you try all in one shell call (using semicolons or a string of several
lines) starting with sudo?
Your cgi could be a 'very restricted sudoer'.
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> So now I guess the question is how to get both php and ssi parsed in html
> files.
https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/mod/mod_include.html#xbithack
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> Alejandro wrote:
> Remember, again, Livecode vector graphics only use integers (1,2,3,4,5...)
> for displaying graphics strokes (borders). This limitation IS an
> insurmountable barrier to import and display faithfully many professional
> illustrations created or exported to SVG format.
I
> Alejandro wrote:
> Accurate rendering of strokes with different weights requires
> special techniques to get the desired effect:
> http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2012/04/a-closer-look-at-font-rendering/
Hi Alejandro,
this is, once again, not a problem of integers or floating points.
Of
> J. LG wrote:
> Something like that would work for me ...
If such wonderful things could be realized (will be a feature-exchange),
what should then the significantly confused crowd of newcomers do?
Use the Application browser plugin?
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@Monte:
> If all they are hearing is a handful of people saying they don’t like it
> and want to use the application browser instead then can you blame them
> for coming up with a solution of putting the application browser in
> plugins for those users?
People in this list are saying repeatedly
> J. LG wrote:
> It needs to come back. I can't work without it. Project browser is not an
> acceptable replacement for the kind of stacks I work with.
I stopped to edit any stack in LC 8.
The Project Browser is beautiful to look at, also the Property Inspector,
beautiful design, but there
> > R. Mathewson wrote:
> > Although I would still like to know why it has been
> > downgraded to a Plug-in.
> M. Wieder wrote:
> Actually, I don't see that as a downgrade at all. Making
> it a plugin allows it to be more malleable, fixable,
> replaceable. Taking it out of the IDE hierarchy
7 - Property Inspector) that is
> much more useful, for EACH AND EVERY stack.
That was me, I don't know why I became anonymous, I'm not.
Hermann
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Peter B. wrote:
> 1) In general, we have found that the Project Browser is easier to use
> by newcomers to LiveCode, and easier to explain in training materials.
There is nearly no difference if you have one button and one field.
> 2) We also found that there was significant confusion caused
Dar Scott wrote
> on mouseUp
>put "1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16" into myVar
>repeat 1000
> add zero to any item of myVar
>end repeat
>put myVar
> end mouseUp
Your example is really convincing, nothing to say more.
This introduces, still funny, some variation:
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