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I'm not fluent in English or even in Scottish, because I'm Finnish (two n's). Still I think, I understood enough what Richmond told about contemporary youth and I definitely agree. I found that they discuss with phones and if it is not in Google its even exists. Richmond, when it's time to change our nappies again, I think we have to do it by ourselves. Antti 2015-02-23 20:56 GMT+02:00 Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com: On 23/02/15 14:59, Curry Kenworthy wrote: Hugh, Can I use an array to measure the formattedwidth of a png file? Can LiveCode install more RAM in my computer? Where is Elvis? TIA/CYA/EOF, Curry K. What worries me is that when I click on the Documentation icon on the bar at the top I don't get an avatar of Elvis in a little window who explains points of Livecode set to the music of hits sung by the King himself. Shame on you, Kevin; we want Elvis . . . let the protests begin :) Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Hi from Beautiful Brittany, I’ve been programming for more than 40 years, and I will certainly not give you a list of the programming languages that I have used. I have used all sorts of mechanisms to help me program quickly and efficiently. My latest system is to write my scripts using comments “Here, I search for the files I need”, or “Here build the file list for future examination”. Then, the next day, I fill in the script sections. It is almost the same as doing a flow diagram before starting to code - and has the same effect - Try and think of every thing before writing one line of script. With only 25 years of Hypercard and LiveCode coding behind me, I still run foul of some complex Livecode. One day, I will sit down and study “Regex” examples which at this moment go right over the top of my head. Recently, I wanted to pick out scripts from my stacks, and display them, but I didn’t know how to get hold of Stack scripts such as “openStack”, so I prepared a post to you guys asking for help. But, before sending my post, I went “googling”, and after an hour, I came across Script Reporter by Stewart Lynch and Sarah Reichelt. Having perused the stack for some time, I realised that the only thing I really needed to understand was : “repeat with k = 1 to the number of controls on card j of stack tStack The rest was far too painful to follow, in spite of my experience. But I had my answer, and prompty scrubbed my call for help. As for “Regex”, I will just have to invest some time in finding out all about its POWER. After all, it can’t be that difficult ….. There is still so much I don’t “grab” in LiveCode, …. but To second Richmonds Rant “Really Annoying Posts”, I will do my utmost to stop asking “lazy” questions ……. -Francis ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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But what really is annoying me is the fact you can NOT browse with your cursors keys in the LiveCode Dictionary or am I the only one? Erik Beugelaar On 24/02/15 14:08, Francis Nugent Dixon effe...@wanadoo.fr wrote: Hi from Beautiful Brittany, I¹ve been programming for more than 40 years, and I will certainly not give you a list of the programming languages that I have used. I have used all sorts of mechanisms to help me program quickly and efficiently. My latest system is to write my scripts using comments ³Here, I search for the files I need², or ³Here build the file list for future examination². Then, the next day, I fill in the script sections. It is almost the same as doing a flow diagram before starting to code - and has the same effect - Try and think of every thing before writing one line of script. With only 25 years of Hypercard and LiveCode coding behind me, I still run foul of some complex Livecode. One day, I will sit down and study ³Regex² examples which at this moment go right over the top of my head. Recently, I wanted to pick out scripts from my stacks, and display them, but I didn¹t know how to get hold of Stack scripts such as ³openStack², so I prepared a post to you guys asking for help. But, before sending my post, I went ³googling², and after an hour, I came across Script Reporter by Stewart Lynch and Sarah Reichelt. Having perused the stack for some time, I realised that the only thing I really needed to understand was : ³repeat with k = 1 to the number of controls on card j of stack tStack The rest was far too painful to follow, in spite of my experience. But I had my answer, and prompty scrubbed my call for help. As for ³Regex², I will just have to invest some time in finding out all about its POWER. After all, it can¹t be that difficult .. There is still so much I don¹t ³grab² in LiveCode, . but To second Richmonds Rant ³Really Annoying Posts², I will do my utmost to stop asking ³lazy² questions . -Francis ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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I use this for more complex tasks. I think the reason for this is that there are different modes of thought when developing software. One mode is deciding what you want your app to look and feel like to the end user. Another is determining the steps necessary to accomplish the task in the environment you are using, usually called pseudo-coding. The mode we call Programming is actually just one of the modes, one of the last modes of thought, which focuses on the exact syntax to accomplish each task. Livecode at least in theory allows us to hop around these modes of thought like stones in a stream, but the reality of the human psyche doesn’t lend itself to this very well. So the time tested method of software development, the planning, the flow diagrams, the pseudo-coding and the programming are after all, the only way to produce any kind of complex system of code. This fact does not deter me in the least from taking the lazy man’s approach, and just jump in and start coding. It’s fun! ;-) Bob S On Feb 24, 2015, at 05:08 , Francis Nugent Dixon effe...@wanadoo.frmailto:effe...@wanadoo.fr wrote: I have used all sorts of mechanisms to help me program quickly and efficiently. My latest system is to write my scripts using comments “Here, I search for the files I need”, or “Here build the file list for future examination”. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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I’ll tell you something else that might be annoying to anyone developing in Windows. I can’t seem to clone anything in the script editor when in Windows. In OS X I can option-dragDrop text and it will make a copy of it instead of move it. Bob S On Feb 24, 2015, at 06:51 , Erik Beugelaar ebeugel...@gmail.commailto:ebeugel...@gmail.com wrote: But what really is annoying me is the fact you can NOT browse with your cursors keys in the LiveCode Dictionary or am I the only one? Erik Beugelaar ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Hi Bob, Bob Sneidar-2 wrote [snip] Livecode at least in theory allows us to hop around these modes of thought like stones in a stream, but the reality of the human psyche doesn’t lend itself to this very well. So the time tested method of software development, the planning, the flow diagrams, the pseudo-coding and the programming are after all, the only way to produce any kind of complex system of code. This fact does not deter me in the least from taking the lazy man’s approach, and just jump in and start coding. It’s fun! ;-) This is great to know! :D This message thread from last month is an example of jumping in and start coding, just for fun: http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/2015-January/210471.html Al -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/RANT-Really-annoying-posts-tp4689191p4689273.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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rant We are, I know, a forgiving lot and my apologies if this offends, but please don't waste everyone's time asking about something that you can frankly do yourself. It says more about your attitude to others than anything else. Bad: Can I reference a png file? Means: I'm too lazy to try it, so just tell me. Good: I tried to reference a png file but it is not being displayed. Why? Bad: Can I use a variable to store an array? Means: I've not read the manual or looked anything up, and it's easier if I get you to do it. Good: Why can I not see an array I put in a variable? Bad: Is the measureWidth the same as the formattedWidth? Means: I can't be bothered to do a simple comparison. Good: Why is the measureWidth default value not the same as the formattedWidth? I appreciate that many on this list do not speak English as a first language, but don't ask others to do your thinking for you. /rant Hugh Senior FLCo ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Hugh, Can I use an array to measure the formattedwidth of a png file? Can LiveCode install more RAM in my computer? Where is Elvis? TIA/CYA/EOF, Curry K. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Hi Hugh, I still believe that the very first project for every Livecode newcomer should be a Mail List Reader. This Mail List Reader 1) Downloads archived mail list from: http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/ 2) Decompress and displays them in field 3) Store these in a custom property, a sqlite db or as external files. 4) Index all mailboxes for searching and display 5) Integrate a bilingual dictionary to help non-english readers. 6) This project could encourage to use many different styles and strategies of coding available within Livecode. 7) This is and easy and really quick project to do with help of all participants and experts in this platform. :-D Al ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Ha that made me chuckle.. Re Q.Can I reference a png file? Surely that depends on how good the quote is? Q.Can LiveCode install more RAM in my computer? You bet it can.. answer install more RAM in my computer with OK Q.Where is Elvis? Hmm.. is that the same as Where = Elvis is true - Andy Piddock My software never has bugs. It just develops random features. Copy the new cloud space, get your free 15GB space now: Get Copy Script editor Themer for LC http://2108.co.uk PointandSee is a FREE simple but full featured under cursor colour picker / finder. http://www.pointandsee.co.uk - made with LiveCode -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/RANT-Really-annoying-posts-tp4689191p4689196.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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My wife is a regular user of Let Me Google That For You: lmgtfy http://lmgtfy.com/?q=can+I+use+a+livecode+variable+to+store+an+array It helps ease some of the pain. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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On 23/02/15 12:57, FlexibleLearning.com wrote: rant We are, I know, a forgiving lot and my apologies if this offends, but please don't waste everyone's time asking about something that you can frankly do yourself. It says more about your attitude to others than anything else. Bad: Can I reference a png file? Means: I'm too lazy to try it, so just tell me. Good: I tried to reference a png file but it is not being displayed. Why? Bad: Can I use a variable to store an array? Means: I've not read the manual or looked anything up, and it's easier if I get you to do it. Good: Why can I not see an array I put in a variable? Bad: Is the measureWidth the same as the formattedWidth? Means: I can't be bothered to do a simple comparison. Good: Why is the measureWidth default value not the same as the formattedWidth? I appreciate that many on this list do not speak English as a first language, but don't ask others to do your thinking for you. /rant Hugh Senior FLCo Indeed. -- RANT of major proportions follows: tune out if you are ONLY interested in being spoon-fed recipes for programming. But one should bear in mind, Mr Senior that we both are fairly senior and the world has changed; and MOST of the younger generation want IT now with as little effort as possible . . . About 11 years ago I did an M.Sc. in Computers and I.T. at the University of Abertay in Dundee, Scotland. No, I have not gone bonkers; those quotation marks are there for a very good reason. 1. The lectures consisted of stuff at the same level as I was taught at school when I was 13-14! 2. In the lab sessions (i.e. all of the students in front of machines running Windows 2000), I ended up spoon-feeding 4 students (who had got first-class honours degrees from Abertay in their BA degrees) who had the following problems: 2.1. 2 of them did not understand English fully ( they spoke the Dundee dialect of Scots = Scots heavily informed by 14th century Flemish). 2.2. None of them seemed able to perform elementary multiplication without a calculator [ e.g. 2100 * 24 ]. 2.3. None of them could get their heads [ = pea-sized brains ] round the very simple logic of a IF . . . THEN loop. When I gave these kids (average age 21) an example they were unable to transfer the logic from that to the actual exercise the lecturer [ who did not, in the wonderful phrase, know her arse from her tit ] had given us. In fact, when I had completed the exercise (Visual Basic 5), the lecturer said to me: Well it works but I don't understand why as you did it in a different way from the way I told you. To which I replied; Thon's a glaikit quaen qha disnae jalouse qhat thon's harns are fae. At which point I was hauled before the University disciplinary committee and I pointed out to them that I had been a lecturer at the University of St. Andrews and my qualifications were far better than those of the lecturer, and, indeed, she was a stupid sumph. They loved me almost as much as I despised them. It never ceases to surprise me that I ended up with my toilet-paper diploma from that place considering how many run-ins I had with them! -- To continue: 'Tother day, in my school, a wee girl (14 years old) asks me, What does 'weasel' mean? To which I replied, The dictionaries are over there on the shelf. To which she responds, Oh, but that's difficult. To which I reply, Get up aff yer bahookie and shift it! Which of course she did not understand (which, all things considered may not be a bad thing) as she is learning English and not gutter Scots. - Everything has been dumbed down . . . including computer programming . . . including companies who advertise their programming suites giving the impression one can develop clones of World of Warcraft, Microsoft Excel and Sibelius without using one's harns (that's Scots for brains) at all . . . --- I had a bad patch after I dropped out of University because Biology and Chemistry was just not my thing. I spent about a year with my bum on a tractor ploughing, and when not doing that I was shearing or working with cows. During that time I taught myself Sanskrit . . . on an island with nothing beyond a book of Sanskrit texts, a Teach Yourself book, and a Sanskrit-English dictionary. Guess how I did that! Hard bl**dy slog, hard bl**dy slog, and hard bl**dy slog. I also learnt a fair few farming skills, as well as reading my way through all the extant works of Plato and Xenophon. Anybody who wants to question that should go and spend 12-18 months on an island with a load of people who are not one's intellectual equals [ U.S. readers substitute 'rednecks' at this point ] and cast about for any type of 'mental food' whatsoever - bashing up telephone boxes and having conversations with cows palls pretty quickly. But today very few young people know what hard bl**dy slog it, or, even if they do,
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On 23/02/15 14:59, Curry Kenworthy wrote: Hugh, Can I use an array to measure the formattedwidth of a png file? Can LiveCode install more RAM in my computer? Where is Elvis? TIA/CYA/EOF, Curry K. What worries me is that when I click on the Documentation icon on the bar at the top I don't get an avatar of Elvis in a little window who explains points of Livecode set to the music of hits sung by the King himself. Shame on you, Kevin; we want Elvis . . . let the protests begin :) Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
