Re: Chromebook apps?

2020-11-27 Thread ELS Prothero via use-livecode
Rick,
Thanks for your perspective. Frankly, I don’t think it will be particularly 
easy to make it an app either. I need to do a fair bit of code optimization and 
on the map, there will have to be a small magnifier that moves with the finger. 

In the meantime, the desktop version is coming along.

Best,
Bill

William Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org

> On Nov 27, 2020, at 9:23 AM, Rick Harrison via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Bill,
> 
> I took a look at your demo video of your app.
> I would agree that it is pretty complex and
> it would require a lot of javascript to provide
> the interactivity that you want.  It would not
> be an easy web creation process for you.
> 
> I can see you have put a lot of work into
> your app!
> 
> This is the kind of thing we were hoping
> that LC HTML5 would be able to easily
> deliver to users, but as you know it hasn’t
> panned out that way.
> 
> Good luck with your development work!
> 
> Rick
> 
>> On Nov 27, 2020, at 12:46 AM, prothero--- via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Rick:
>> Thanks. I’ve considered that. But my app is pretty complex. There is 
>> interactive maps plotting earthquakes, elevations, ages, etc, graphics 
>> capture and editing, writing, lots of complex actions that I think would 
>> require a major time investment to do on the web. It is actually something 
>> I've thought about, but I’m not ready to take that on yet.
>> 
>> In case you’re curious, my demo video of the old 32bit version that I’m 
>> building my update on is at: https://earthlearningsolutions.org 
>> 
>> 
>> Best,
>> Bill
>> 
>> William A. Prothero
>> Santa Barbara, CA. 93105
>> http://earthlearningsolutions.org/
>> 
> 
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Re: Chromebook apps?

2020-11-27 Thread Rick Harrison via use-livecode
Hi Bill,

I took a look at your demo video of your app.
I would agree that it is pretty complex and
it would require a lot of javascript to provide
the interactivity that you want.  It would not
be an easy web creation process for you.

I can see you have put a lot of work into
your app!

This is the kind of thing we were hoping
that LC HTML5 would be able to easily
deliver to users, but as you know it hasn’t
panned out that way.

Good luck with your development work!

Rick

> On Nov 27, 2020, at 12:46 AM, prothero--- via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Rick:
> Thanks. I’ve considered that. But my app is pretty complex. There is 
> interactive maps plotting earthquakes, elevations, ages, etc, graphics 
> capture and editing, writing, lots of complex actions that I think would 
> require a major time investment to do on the web. It is actually something 
> I've thought about, but I’m not ready to take that on yet.
> 
> In case you’re curious, my demo video of the old 32bit version that I’m 
> building my update on is at: https://earthlearningsolutions.org 
> 
> 
> Best,
> Bill
> 
> William A. Prothero
> Santa Barbara, CA. 93105
> http://earthlearningsolutions.org/
> 


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Re: Chromebook apps?

2020-11-27 Thread JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode
And note that the Intel chips are a minor these days on Android, it's 
mostly ARM



Op 26-11-2020 om 14:42 schreef panagiotis merakos via use-livecode:

Hello Richmond,


so LiveCode builds for Android wouldn't run on them.

LC supports both arm (armv7, arm64) and Intel (x86, x86_64) on Android.

Kind regards,
Panos
--

On Thu, 26 Nov 2020 at 15:31, Richmond via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


Is a Chromebook app an Android app?

Or, to put things another way . . .

I thought I'd be clever and design something for kids at my school to
use on their Android
phones and tablets . . .

Fantastic idea that foundered badly when I worked out that a lot of
ANdroid tablets ran on INTEL chips
so LiveCode builds for Android wouldn't run on them.

Sorry to be damp squish.

On 26.11.20 7:52, prothero--- via use-livecode wrote:

Folks:
My son is a 5’th grade teacher. He tells me that apps for elementary

school learning must run on ChromeBooks to be used in elementary school. I
just want to verify that this means I would be developing an Android app
for a Chromebook.

I also wonder if there are minimal requirements for a Chromebook that

will run Android apps. I’m in the “thinking about it” stage right now, but
would like to hear about any experience or gotchas I need to be aware of
for Chromebook apps.

Thanks,
Bill

William A. Prothero
Santa Barbara, CA. 93105
http://earthlearningsolutions.org/


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Re: Chromebook apps?

2020-11-26 Thread prothero--- via use-livecode
Rick:
Thanks. I’ve considered that. But my app is pretty complex. There is 
interactive maps plotting earthquakes, elevations, ages, etc, graphics capture 
and editing, writing, lots of complex actions that I think would require a 
major time investment to do on the web. It is actually something I've thought 
about, but I’m not ready to take that on yet.

In case you’re curious, my demo video of the old 32bit version that I’m 
building my update on is at: https://earthlearningsolutions.org 
<https://earthlearningsolutions.org/>

Best,
Bill

William A. Prothero
Santa Barbara, CA. 93105
http://earthlearningsolutions.org/

> On Nov 26, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Rick Harrison via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Bill,
> 
> If you make your app a webpage instead by using
> a LiveCode Server, then everyone can just visit your 
> website.  It will run on all computers with web
> access, not just ChromeBooks.
> 
> Good luck with whatever you decide to do!
> 
> Rick
> 
>> On Nov 26, 2020, at 12:52 AM, prothero--- via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Folks:
>> My son is a 5’th grade teacher. He tells me that apps for elementary school 
>> learning must run on ChromeBooks to be used in elementary school. I just 
>> want to verify that this means I would be developing an Android app for a 
>> Chromebook.
>> 
>> I also wonder if there are minimal requirements for a Chromebook that will 
>> run Android apps. I’m in the “thinking about it” stage right now, but would 
>> like to hear about any experience or gotchas I need to be aware of for 
>> Chromebook apps. 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Bill
>> 
>> William A. Prothero
>> Santa Barbara, CA. 93105
>> http://earthlearningsolutions.org/
>> 
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Re: Chromebook apps?

2020-11-26 Thread Rick Harrison via use-livecode
Hi Bill,

If you make your app a webpage instead by using
a LiveCode Server, then everyone can just visit your 
website.  It will run on all computers with web
access, not just ChromeBooks.

Good luck with whatever you decide to do!

Rick

> On Nov 26, 2020, at 12:52 AM, prothero--- via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Folks:
> My son is a 5’th grade teacher. He tells me that apps for elementary school 
> learning must run on ChromeBooks to be used in elementary school. I just want 
> to verify that this means I would be developing an Android app for a 
> Chromebook.
> 
> I also wonder if there are minimal requirements for a Chromebook that will 
> run Android apps. I’m in the “thinking about it” stage right now, but would 
> like to hear about any experience or gotchas I need to be aware of for 
> Chromebook apps. 
> 
> Thanks,
> Bill
> 
> William A. Prothero
> Santa Barbara, CA. 93105
> http://earthlearningsolutions.org/
> 
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Re: Chromebook apps?

2020-11-26 Thread Kee Nethery via use-livecode
If you are deploying a single purpose system, for example voter registration or 
data collection or multiuser simulations/games, Chromebooks are the way to go. 
And I can see LiveCode as the software for those single purpose custom built 
systems.

Kee Nethery

> On Nov 26, 2020, at 9:19 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Android apps run in an emulator on Chromebooks. I forgot to mention that the 
> emulator is only 32-bit so you have to build ARM 7 apps for Chromebook. I 
> haven't needed to build an x86 app, my tests have all run okay on three 
> different models.
> 
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> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> On November 26, 2020 7:32:50 AM Richmond via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Is a Chromebook app an Android app?
>> 
>> Or, to put things another way . . .
>> 
>> I thought I'd be clever and design something for kids at my school to
>> use on their Android
>> phones and tablets . . .
>> 
>> Fantastic idea that foundered badly when I worked out that a lot of
>> ANdroid tablets ran on INTEL chips
>> so LiveCode builds for Android wouldn't run on them.
>> 
>> Sorry to be damp squish.
>> 
>>> On 26.11.20 7:52, prothero--- via use-livecode wrote:
>>> Folks:
>>> My son is a 5’th grade teacher. He tells me that apps for elementary school 
>>> learning must run on ChromeBooks to be used in elementary school. I just 
>>> want to verify that this means I would be developing an Android app for a 
>>> Chromebook.
>>> 
>>> I also wonder if there are minimal requirements for a Chromebook that will 
>>> run Android apps. I’m in the “thinking about it” stage right now, but would 
>>> like to hear about any experience or gotchas I need to be aware of for 
>>> Chromebook apps.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Bill
>>> 
>>> William A. Prothero
>>> Santa Barbara, CA. 93105
>>> http://earthlearningsolutions.org/
>>> 
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RE: Chromebook apps?

2020-11-26 Thread Ralph DiMola via use-livecode
Haven't looked close at CBs but if it's x86 then an x86 build performance will 
be 8-10 times faster than an app running in an arm emulator. At least that's 
what I measured using an x86 Android tablet.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
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From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2020 12:19 PM
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Subject: Re: Chromebook apps?

Android apps run in an emulator on Chromebooks. I forgot to mention that the 
emulator is only 32-bit so you have to build ARM 7 apps for Chromebook. 
I haven't needed to build an x86 app, my tests have all run okay on three 
different models.

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http://www.hyperactivesw.com On November 26, 2020 7:32:50 AM Richmond via 
use-livecode  wrote:

> Is a Chromebook app an Android app?
>
> Or, to put things another way . . .
>
> I thought I'd be clever and design something for kids at my school to 
> use on their Android phones and tablets . . .
>
> Fantastic idea that foundered badly when I worked out that a lot of 
> ANdroid tablets ran on INTEL chips so LiveCode builds for Android 
> wouldn't run on them.
>
> Sorry to be damp squish.
>
> On 26.11.20 7:52, prothero--- via use-livecode wrote:
>> Folks:
>> My son is a 5’th grade teacher. He tells me that apps for elementary 
>> school learning must run on ChromeBooks to be used in elementary 
>> school. I just want to verify that this means I would be developing 
>> an Android app for a Chromebook.
>>
>> I also wonder if there are minimal requirements for a Chromebook that 
>> will run Android apps. I’m in the “thinking about it” stage right 
>> now, but would like to hear about any experience or gotchas I need to 
>> be aware of for Chromebook apps.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Bill
>>
>> William A. Prothero
>> Santa Barbara, CA. 93105
>> http://earthlearningsolutions.org/
>>
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Re: Chromebook apps?

2020-11-26 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
Android apps run in an emulator on Chromebooks. I forgot to mention that 
the emulator is only 32-bit so you have to build ARM 7 apps for Chromebook. 
I haven't needed to build an x86 app, my tests have all run okay on three 
different models.


--
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HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On November 26, 2020 7:32:50 AM Richmond via use-livecode 
 wrote:



Is a Chromebook app an Android app?

Or, to put things another way . . .

I thought I'd be clever and design something for kids at my school to
use on their Android
phones and tablets . . .

Fantastic idea that foundered badly when I worked out that a lot of
ANdroid tablets ran on INTEL chips
so LiveCode builds for Android wouldn't run on them.

Sorry to be damp squish.

On 26.11.20 7:52, prothero--- via use-livecode wrote:

Folks:
My son is a 5’th grade teacher. He tells me that apps for elementary school 
learning must run on ChromeBooks to be used in elementary school. I just 
want to verify that this means I would be developing an Android app for a 
Chromebook.


I also wonder if there are minimal requirements for a Chromebook that will 
run Android apps. I’m in the “thinking about it” stage right now, but would 
like to hear about any experience or gotchas I need to be aware of for 
Chromebook apps.


Thanks,
Bill

William A. Prothero
Santa Barbara, CA. 93105
http://earthlearningsolutions.org/


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Re: Chromebook apps?

2020-11-26 Thread ELS Prothero via use-livecode
Thanks for the perspective, Jacque,
Hmm, it could be venturing into a swamp for me, tho. Given the popularity of 
Chromebooks, it would be great if Livecode could be invested in support for 
them. In my own case, I need to be cautious about where I spend my effort. I’m 
a happily retired ex-educator and giving away any apps I make, so getting into 
an area with a lot of deployment idiosyncrasies may not be realistic.

Have a nice thanksgiving, all Yanks and Yank sympathizers! 

Bill

William Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org

> On Nov 25, 2020, at 11:56 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Right, for Chromebooks you'd develop an Android app. I've been testing two 
> different client projects on Chromebooks. For the most part they run okay, 
> depending on the hardware. One of my apps in particular runs beautifully in 
> tablet mode, but if you rotate the screen to desktop mode it loses its window 
> coordinates and draws incorrectly. That's probably my fault, since the app is 
> locked to portrait orientation. In portrait mode, with fullscreenMode on, it 
> looks great and behaves well. If you launch it in desktop mode it opens in a 
> window the size of the original stack and works fine as long as you don't try 
> to resize the window.
> 
> 
> But appearance and behavior can vary depending on the Chromebook. I'm having 
> pretty good luck with my Lenovo but my client's Asus sometimes doesn't draw 
> the content quite right. I can't recall the details, something about color I 
> think. I'd love it if LC could look at Chromebook support at some point. It's 
> almost there already, and as you say, Chromebook support is almost mandatory 
> if you are developing for the education market. In fact, with so many schools 
> closed down and students working remotely, Chromebooks are in such high 
> demand that they've become harder to find. They're very popular. Our market 
> is college and university students and a lot of them use Chromebooks. When 
> they ask, we tell them the app may run on their Chromebook but we can't 
> provide support.
> 
> 
> On a more personal note, I love my Chromebook. They're very fast (they wake 
> from sleep before the lid is fully opened,) virtually immune to malware, 
> lightweight, inexpensive, and extremely portable. They've come a long way 
> from the time when they were basically just a big web browser.
> 
> 
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> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> On November 25, 2020 11:54:54 PM prothero--- via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Folks:
>> My son is a 5’th grade teacher. He tells me that apps for elementary school 
>> learning must run on ChromeBooks to be used in elementary school. I just 
>> want to verify that this means I would be developing an Android app for a 
>> Chromebook.
>> 
>> I also wonder if there are minimal requirements for a Chromebook that will 
>> run Android apps. I’m in the “thinking about it” stage right now, but would 
>> like to hear about any experience or gotchas I need to be aware of for 
>> Chromebook apps.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Bill
>> 
>> William A. Prothero
>> Santa Barbara, CA. 93105
>> http://earthlearningsolutions.org/
>> 
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Re: Chromebook apps?

2020-11-26 Thread panagiotis merakos via use-livecode
Hello Richmond,

>>>>>>so LiveCode builds for Android wouldn't run on them.

LC supports both arm (armv7, arm64) and Intel (x86, x86_64) on Android.

Kind regards,
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On Thu, 26 Nov 2020 at 15:31, Richmond via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Is a Chromebook app an Android app?
>
> Or, to put things another way . . .
>
> I thought I'd be clever and design something for kids at my school to
> use on their Android
> phones and tablets . . .
>
> Fantastic idea that foundered badly when I worked out that a lot of
> ANdroid tablets ran on INTEL chips
> so LiveCode builds for Android wouldn't run on them.
>
> Sorry to be damp squish.
>
> On 26.11.20 7:52, prothero--- via use-livecode wrote:
> > Folks:
> > My son is a 5’th grade teacher. He tells me that apps for elementary
> school learning must run on ChromeBooks to be used in elementary school. I
> just want to verify that this means I would be developing an Android app
> for a Chromebook.
> >
> > I also wonder if there are minimal requirements for a Chromebook that
> will run Android apps. I’m in the “thinking about it” stage right now, but
> would like to hear about any experience or gotchas I need to be aware of
> for Chromebook apps.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bill
> >
> > William A. Prothero
> > Santa Barbara, CA. 93105
> > http://earthlearningsolutions.org/
> >
> >
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Re: Chromebook apps?

2020-11-26 Thread Richmond via use-livecode

Is a Chromebook app an Android app?

Or, to put things another way . . .

I thought I'd be clever and design something for kids at my school to 
use on their Android

phones and tablets . . .

Fantastic idea that foundered badly when I worked out that a lot of 
ANdroid tablets ran on INTEL chips

so LiveCode builds for Android wouldn't run on them.

Sorry to be damp squish.

On 26.11.20 7:52, prothero--- via use-livecode wrote:

Folks:
My son is a 5’th grade teacher. He tells me that apps for elementary school 
learning must run on ChromeBooks to be used in elementary school. I just want 
to verify that this means I would be developing an Android app for a Chromebook.

I also wonder if there are minimal requirements for a Chromebook that will run 
Android apps. I’m in the “thinking about it” stage right now, but would like to 
hear about any experience or gotchas I need to be aware of for Chromebook apps.

Thanks,
Bill

William A. Prothero
Santa Barbara, CA. 93105
http://earthlearningsolutions.org/


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Re: Chromebook apps?

2020-11-25 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
Right, for Chromebooks you'd develop an Android app. I've been testing two 
different client projects on Chromebooks. For the most part they run okay, 
depending on the hardware. One of my apps in particular runs beautifully in 
tablet mode, but if you rotate the screen to desktop mode it loses its 
window coordinates and draws incorrectly. That's probably my fault, since 
the app is locked to portrait orientation. In portrait mode, with 
fullscreenMode on, it looks great and behaves well. If you launch it in 
desktop mode it opens in a window the size of the original stack and works 
fine as long as you don't try to resize the window.



But appearance and behavior can vary depending on the Chromebook. I'm 
having pretty good luck with my Lenovo but my client's Asus sometimes 
doesn't draw the content quite right. I can't recall the details, something 
about color I think. I'd love it if LC could look at Chromebook support at 
some point. It's almost there already, and as you say, Chromebook support 
is almost mandatory if you are developing for the education market. In 
fact, with so many schools closed down and students working remotely, 
Chromebooks are in such high demand that they've become harder to find. 
They're very popular. Our market is college and university students and a 
lot of them use Chromebooks. When they ask, we tell them the app may run on 
their Chromebook but we can't provide support.



On a more personal note, I love my Chromebook. They're very fast (they wake 
from sleep before the lid is fully opened,) virtually immune to malware, 
lightweight, inexpensive, and extremely portable. They've come a long way 
from the time when they were basically just a big web browser.



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On November 25, 2020 11:54:54 PM prothero--- via use-livecode 
 wrote:



Folks:
My son is a 5’th grade teacher. He tells me that apps for elementary school 
learning must run on ChromeBooks to be used in elementary school. I just 
want to verify that this means I would be developing an Android app for a 
Chromebook.


I also wonder if there are minimal requirements for a Chromebook that will 
run Android apps. I’m in the “thinking about it” stage right now, but would 
like to hear about any experience or gotchas I need to be aware of for 
Chromebook apps.


Thanks,
Bill

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Chromebook apps?

2020-11-25 Thread prothero--- via use-livecode
Folks:
My son is a 5’th grade teacher. He tells me that apps for elementary school 
learning must run on ChromeBooks to be used in elementary school. I just want 
to verify that this means I would be developing an Android app for a Chromebook.

I also wonder if there are minimal requirements for a Chromebook that will run 
Android apps. I’m in the “thinking about it” stage right now, but would like to 
hear about any experience or gotchas I need to be aware of for Chromebook apps. 

Thanks,
Bill

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Re: Chromebook apps?

2020-06-22 Thread William Prothero via use-livecode
Thanks, Jacqueline! I’ll file that info away for future pondering. I’m glad 
there was one positive response to the possibility of using Livecode on a 
chromebook.
Best,
Bill

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> On 6/22/20 11:51 AM, prothero--- via use-livecode wrote:
>> I may invest in a Chromebook, for testing, but would like to scope out the 
>> landscape before I waste my time.
> 
> I forgot to mention that I recently saw that some of last year's Chromebooks 
> are going for as low as $80. They don't have high-end specs, but you can get 
> a better one for about $150 if you shop around. I should have made a note of 
> the article but I'm so happy with my current one I didn't see a need.
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Re: Chromebook apps?

2020-06-22 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode

On 6/22/20 11:51 AM, prothero--- via use-livecode wrote:

I may invest in a Chromebook, for testing, but would like to scope out the 
landscape before I waste my time.


I forgot to mention that I recently saw that some of last year's Chromebooks are going for as 
low as $80. They don't have high-end specs, but you can get a better one for about $150 if you 
shop around. I should have made a note of the article but I'm so happy with my current one I 
didn't see a need.


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Re: Chromebook apps?

2020-06-22 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
I've had fairly good experiences running an Android app on Chromebook. The manufacturer 
matters. On my Lenovo there are a few glitches, on my client's Asus Flip there are a few 
different glitches, but in general they are minor. I've made two Android apps that also run on 
Chromebooks.


Both apps are limited to portrait mode only and that works very well as long as you don't flip 
the device between desktop and tablet. Whatever mode you open the app with, stay there. In 
desktop mode, the window appears at approximately the same size as the stack; in tablet mode 
(using fullscreenMode "showAll") it resizes beautifully and looks gorgeous. My client actually 
did demos at an educational conference with her Chromebook in tablet mode and was well 
received. But if you launch in tablet mode and then flip to desktop mode, the window resizes 
oddly. The same thing happens if you do it in reverse. LC isn't aware of the change, it's 
probably the same reason you can't change the desktop resolution on a PC in the middle of a 
session.


While my Lenovo performs as above, the Asus will sometimes crash the app if you switch device 
modes. Other manufacturers may behave differently.


I can't recall offhand what the other glitches were but they were minor and what happened on 
one Chromebook didn't happen on the other. If I remember right, some were visual artifacts that 
appeared on one Chromebook only. We do have a few students running one of the apps on 
Chromebooks (models unknown) and we haven't had any complaints.


Both our test Chromebooks have only 4 GB of RAM and I haven't noticed any slowness. But if you 
do, close down other apps and you should be fine. I suppose it would also depend on what your 
app is trying to do and how much RAM it takes. We're downloading some fairly sizeable images on 
demand and haven't had any trouble.


Internet connections work flawlessly (we do heavy server interactions) and LC in general 
functions as you'd expect. One thing to keep in mind is that you must build with 32-bit 
enabled, as the Android emulator on a Chromebook is only 32-bit. If you build with 64-bit only, 
the app will not launch. I always tick both checkboxes.


I'm sure there are some LC features that won't work but so far everything our apps do is 
working. As long as the dictionary says the command is Android compatible it seems to be okay.


BTW, I'm starting to love my Chromebook, it's an amazing device. Fast, extremely secure, and 
very reliable. I've starting doing almost everything on it except LC development. Installing 
and learning Linux is more than I want to do right now, but I'm thinking LC would work fine if 
I ever got that far.


I think you should go ahead and try it, you might be surprised. ChromeOS has come a long way in 
a very short time, and it gets better with every 6-week update.



On 6/22/20 2:12 PM, William de Smet via use-livecode wrote:

I am a longtime user of Chromebooks in education and most 'cheap'
Chromebooks' come with only 4 GB RAM.
The Chrome browser itself uses a lot of RAM already and my experience with
Android apps on Chromebooks is that they are slow (lack of available RAM)
or sometimes not fully functional/compatible.



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Re: Chromebook apps?

2020-06-22 Thread Prothero-ELS via use-livecode
Thanks for the info, folks! I don’t see anything that would draw me to 
Chromebooks.
Seems it’s another world. Too bad. Education really needs good apps at all 
levels and chromebooks are a bright target.

 EST,
Bill

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> On Jun 22, 2020, at 2:02 PM, John McKenzie via use-livecode 
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> 
> Despite using Raspberry Pi devices allot I somehow did not think of
> ARM chips. I did not know Chromebooks were based on them.
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Re: Chromebook apps?

2020-06-22 Thread John McKenzie via use-livecode


 Despite using Raspberry Pi devices allot I somehow did not think of
ARM chips. I did not know Chromebooks were based on them.

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Re: Chromebook apps?

2020-06-22 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode

On 6/22/20 12:21 PM, Stephen MacLean via use-livecode wrote:


Looks like ARM  just became a MUCH bigger issue!


*MUCH*
Fortunately, I've seen github notifications for the last few months that 
point toward ARM capability, so I'm guessing we're on track for this. 
For OSX anyway.


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Re: Chromebook apps?

2020-06-22 Thread Dev via use-livecode
Then we are going to need to get Frazier back with Apple’s new all in 
commitment to ARM chips!

kelly

> On 22-Jun-2020, at 1:17 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> John McKenzie wrote:
> 
>> Could you not just deploy a Linux desktop Livecode app to a
>> Chromebook? ChromeOS is a Linux distribution, if admittedly a stripped
>> down one, after all.
> 
> Alas, while ChromeOS is based on the Linux kernel, everything above the 
> kernel is different (desktop manager, compositor, UI inputs, etc.).
> 
> And of course the current LC build for Linux is compiled for x86 processors.  
> Since Frazier left we haven't seen any further development of an ARM-based 
> compile of the LC Linux engine.
> 
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Re: Chromebook apps?

2020-06-22 Thread Stephen MacLean via use-livecode
> On Jun 22, 2020, at 3:17 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> John McKenzie wrote:
> 
>> Could you not just deploy a Linux desktop Livecode app to a
>> Chromebook? ChromeOS is a Linux distribution, if admittedly a stripped
>> down one, after all.
> 
> Alas, while ChromeOS is based on the Linux kernel, everything above the 
> kernel is different (desktop manager, compositor, UI inputs, etc.).
> 
> And of course the current LC build for Linux is compiled for x86 processors.  
> Since Frazier left we haven't seen any further development of an ARM-based 
> compile of the LC Linux engine.
> 


Looks like ARM  just became a MUCH bigger issue!

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Re: Chromebook apps?

2020-06-22 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode

William de Smet wrote:

I am a longtime user of Chromebooks in education and most 'cheap'
Chromebooks' come with only 4 GB RAM.
The Chrome browser itself uses a lot of RAM already and my experience with
Android apps on Chromebooks is that they are slow (lack of available RAM)
or sometimes not fully functional/compatible.


Ouch.

Thanks for that info, William. It's disappointing, but I'd much rather 
be disappointed by real constraints than invest in deployment plans that 
can't come to fruition.


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Re: Chromebook apps?

2020-06-22 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode

John McKenzie wrote:


 Could you not just deploy a Linux desktop Livecode app to a
Chromebook? ChromeOS is a Linux distribution, if admittedly a stripped
down one, after all.


Alas, while ChromeOS is based on the Linux kernel, everything above the 
kernel is different (desktop manager, compositor, UI inputs, etc.).


And of course the current LC build for Linux is compiled for x86 
processors.  Since Frazier left we haven't seen any further development 
of an ARM-based compile of the LC Linux engine.


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Re: Chromebook apps?

2020-06-22 Thread William de Smet via use-livecode
I am a longtime user of Chromebooks in education and most 'cheap'
Chromebooks' come with only 4 GB RAM.
The Chrome browser itself uses a lot of RAM already and my experience with
Android apps on Chromebooks is that they are slow (lack of available RAM)
or sometimes not fully functional/compatible.


greetings,

William




Op ma 22 jun. 2020 om 20:53 schreef Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:

> William Prothero wrote:
>
>  > Probably HTML5 would be better, ultimately. But, I look at the HTML5
>  > postings, limitations, and quirks and it would most likely require me
>  > to become an expert in javascript and various server technologies that
>  > put me over the interest level that would be required.
>
> If your app doesn't depend on server tech beyond downloading, a web app
> wouldn't either.
>
> That said, I hear you on this:
>
>  > I’m fine with programming in livecode, but I don’t think the payoff
>  > for me to get into HTML5 is worth what I would get out of it. My
>  > programming is a combination of personal apps that I can use (like
>  > managing my 6 water meters and fruit tree drip system) and updating a
>  > plate tectonics app that students at UCSB use. My two sons are both
>  > 5’th grade teachers, one of whom uses chromebooks in his school, so
>  > collaborating with him on a nice app for his students is attractive,
>  > but only so far.
>
> Writing in HTML/CSS/JavaScript is a world apart from LiveCode.  When the
> business opportunity merits it, it can be rewarding (oh the joys of
> never needing to genuflect at an OS vendor's app store, or give up a
> third of your revenue for the privilege of their control).
>
> And because the nature of the browser is so radically different from
> native app development, I agree that attempting to port LC stacks to the
> web via the Emscripten option is pretty much a non-starter for most
> things people have ever made in LC.
>
> I haven't yet deployed to a Chromebook so I have nothing to offer there
> with regard to LC compatibility. But with the core of Android well
> represented in ChromeOS, I would hope it's no more difficult than
> deploying to a tablet.  Please keep us posted with what you learn.
>
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Re: Chromebook apps?

2020-06-22 Thread John McKenzie via use-livecode


 Could you not just deploy a Linux desktop Livecode app to a
Chromebook? ChromeOS is a Linux distribution, if admittedly a stripped
down one, after all.

 You can install some regular desktop Linux software such as regular
Libre Office on Chromebooks. Some software you cannot install though
and I do not know what the limiting factors are. I do not have a
Chromebook to test out LC apps on but thought I would mention this
point. Apologies if there some obvious reason not to try this that I
missed.


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Re: Chromebook apps?

2020-06-22 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode

William Prothero wrote:

> Probably HTML5 would be better, ultimately. But, I look at the HTML5
> postings, limitations, and quirks and it would most likely require me
> to become an expert in javascript and various server technologies that
> put me over the interest level that would be required.

If your app doesn't depend on server tech beyond downloading, a web app 
wouldn't either.


That said, I hear you on this:

> I’m fine with programming in livecode, but I don’t think the payoff
> for me to get into HTML5 is worth what I would get out of it. My
> programming is a combination of personal apps that I can use (like
> managing my 6 water meters and fruit tree drip system) and updating a
> plate tectonics app that students at UCSB use. My two sons are both
> 5’th grade teachers, one of whom uses chromebooks in his school, so
> collaborating with him on a nice app for his students is attractive,
> but only so far.

Writing in HTML/CSS/JavaScript is a world apart from LiveCode.  When the 
business opportunity merits it, it can be rewarding (oh the joys of 
never needing to genuflect at an OS vendor's app store, or give up a 
third of your revenue for the privilege of their control).


And because the nature of the browser is so radically different from 
native app development, I agree that attempting to port LC stacks to the 
web via the Emscripten option is pretty much a non-starter for most 
things people have ever made in LC.


I haven't yet deployed to a Chromebook so I have nothing to offer there 
with regard to LC compatibility. But with the core of Android well 
represented in ChromeOS, I would hope it's no more difficult than 
deploying to a tablet.  Please keep us posted with what you learn.


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Re: Chromebook apps?

2020-06-22 Thread William Prothero via use-livecode
Colin:
Probably HTML5 would be better, ultimately. But, I look at the HTML5 postings, 
limitations, and quirks and it would most likely require me to become an expert 
in javascript and various server technologies that put me over the interest 
level that would be required. I’m fine with programming in livecode, but I 
don’t think the payoff for me to get into HTML5 is worth what I would get out 
of it. My programming is a combination of personal apps that I can use (like 
managing my 6 water meters and fruit tree drip system) and updating a plate 
tectonics app that students at UCSB use. My two sons are both 5’th grade 
teachers, one of whom uses chromebooks in his school, so collaborating with him 
on a nice app for his students is attractive, but only so far.

Thanks, Colin for your suggestion, though.
Best,
Bill

William A. Prothero
https://earthlearningsolutions.org

> On Jun 22, 2020, at 10:05 AM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
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> Would HTML5 be a better option?
> 
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2020, at 10:51 AM, prothero--- via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Folks:
>> A LOT of elementary school teachers are using Chromebooks to teach online. 
>> So… I am wondering what the current situation is with Android (?) apps on 
>> Chromebooks.
>> 
>> Is anybody developing apps for Chromebooks? Are there gothchas? Any pointers 
>> to online Chromebook specific docs? I may invest in a Chromebook, for 
>> testing, but would like to scope out the landscape before I waste my time.
>> 
>> Thanks for any offerings.
>> Best,
>> Bill
>> 
>> William A. Prothero
>> Santa Barbara, CA. 93105
>> http://earthlearningsolutions.org/
>> 
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Re: Chromebook apps?

2020-06-22 Thread Colin Holgate via use-livecode
Would HTML5 be a better option?


> On Jun 22, 2020, at 10:51 AM, prothero--- via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Folks:
> A LOT of elementary school teachers are using Chromebooks to teach online. 
> So… I am wondering what the current situation is with Android (?) apps on 
> Chromebooks.
> 
> Is anybody developing apps for Chromebooks? Are there gothchas? Any pointers 
> to online Chromebook specific docs? I may invest in a Chromebook, for 
> testing, but would like to scope out the landscape before I waste my time.
> 
> Thanks for any offerings.
> Best,
> Bill
> 
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> Santa Barbara, CA. 93105
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Chromebook apps?

2020-06-22 Thread prothero--- via use-livecode
Folks:
A LOT of elementary school teachers are using Chromebooks to teach online. So… 
I am wondering what the current situation is with Android (?) apps on 
Chromebooks.

Is anybody developing apps for Chromebooks? Are there gothchas? Any pointers to 
online Chromebook specific docs? I may invest in a Chromebook, for testing, but 
would like to scope out the landscape before I waste my time.

Thanks for any offerings.
Best,
Bill

William A. Prothero
Santa Barbara, CA. 93105
http://earthlearningsolutions.org/


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