Re: Extra Title Bar in All Stacks

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Or alternatively, you could turn it off for yourself. Everybody wins! 

Bob S


> On Mar 29, 2017, at 20:21 , Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> "System wide"  ?? I tried a dozen different apps, include Apple's own Pages, 
> Numbers and Notes etc.
> 
> *none* of them respond to cmd-shift-T to make tabbed windows… the only 
> "system-wide" is the Finder.
> 
> Adding an Apple-Mac Only Finder feature to LC  that OS X does not even 
> implement this in it's other applications and where, all other apps make use 
> of cmd-shift-T for some other function in that particular app, does it make 
> sense to try to emulate the Mac Finder in LC Windows?  
> 
> If HQ is trying to decide if this is useful enough to spend time making it 
> work; perhaps a better decision is:
> 
> disable and forget it, so that we are not "harassed" by double title bars, 
> ever.  
> 
> Will any Mac User shed a tear here if this future enhancement is crossed off 
> the list?
> 
> BR

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Re: Extra Title Bar in All Stacks

[Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode]

"System wide"  ?? I tried a dozen different apps, include Apple's own Pages, 
Numbers and Notes etc.

*none* of them respond to cmd-shift-T to make tabbed windows… the only 
"system-wide" is the Finder.

Adding an Apple-Mac Only Finder feature to LC  that OS X does not even 
implement this in it's other applications and where, all other apps make use of 
cmd-shift-T for some other function in that particular app, does it make sense 
to try to emulate the Mac Finder in LC Windows?  

If HQ is trying to decide if this is useful enough to spend time making it 
work; perhaps a better decision is:

disable and forget it, so that we are not "harassed" by double title bars, 
ever.  

Will any Mac User shed a tear here if this future enhancement is crossed off 
the list?

 BR

On 3/26/17, 4:13 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of Paul Hibbert via use-livecode" 
 wrote:

Ah! that’s the bit I forgot to mention, I think it is a system wide 
shortcut (it works in some other apps), I have seen it appear in the LC View 
menu, but not always for some odd reason. If you hit cmd-shift-t with the menu 
open it immediately selects Toolbar-Text, so I wonder if this is clashing 
somehow.

Paul

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Re: Extra Title Bar in All Stacks

[Paul Hibbert via use-livecode]

Ah! that’s the bit I forgot to mention, I think it is a system wide shortcut 
(it works in some other apps), I have seen it appear in the LC View menu, but 
not always for some odd reason. If you hit cmd-shift-t with the menu open it 
immediately selects Toolbar-Text, so I wonder if this is clashing somehow.

Paul

> On 26 Mar 2017, at 19:04, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> OK… see this:
> 
> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19276
> 
> the problem was, (not documented anywhere that I can find.) I must have hit 
> cmd-shift-t inadvertently… I'm not seeing this in the Mac short cuts… so I 
> guess it is a LC short cut?  
> 
> once you hit that inadvertently, then thereafter stacks open with two title 
> bars. Hit this combo again and they go away, quit livecode and they are still 
> gone. 
> 
> Mysterious. One wonders where the 'memory" of this setting resides, if not in 
> the OS shortcuts and not in LC settings..
> 
> roblem solved for now.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 3/26/17, 3:21 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami 
> via use-livecode"  use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>Now, that's obscure
> 
>I was in "In Full screen Only"
> 
>I set to sys prefs → dock → tabs→ "Manually"
> 
>But second tab title bar still appears on resizeable LC windows. even 
> after rebooting LC
> 
> 
> 
>Paul Hibbert via use-livecode"  behalf of use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>Look at the fifth item down the window and you’ll see:
> 
>   Prefer tabs when opening documents: Always | In Full Screen Only | 
> Manually
> 
>If you set this to “Always” you will see the Tab Bars appear in 
> resizable LC windows.
>If it’s set to "In Full Screen Only”, then the tabs will appear if you 
> create a new stack while your current stack or window is open in full screen 
> mode.
>If it’s set to “Manually” then the Tab bars don’t normally appear.
> 
>These settings are obviously local to your machine, so I doubt it 
> would (easily) be successful to try developing an app that relies on this, so 
> to me it makes most sense to leave it set to “Manually”, but no doubt someone 
> could take advantage of this if they are willing to put in the extra effort 
> needed, but don’t take my word for that!
> 
> 
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Re: Extra Title Bar in All Stacks

[Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode]

OK… see this:

http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19276

the problem was, (not documented anywhere that I can find.) I must have hit 
cmd-shift-t inadvertently… I'm not seeing this in the Mac short cuts… so I 
guess it is a LC short cut?  

once you hit that inadvertently, then thereafter stacks open with two title 
bars. Hit this combo again and they go away, quit livecode and they are still 
gone. 

Mysterious. One wonders where the 'memory" of this setting resides, if not in 
the OS shortcuts and not in LC settings..

roblem solved for now.



 

On 3/26/17, 3:21 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via 
use-livecode"  wrote:

Now, that's obscure

I was in "In Full screen Only"

I set to sys prefs → dock → tabs→ "Manually"

But second tab title bar still appears on resizeable LC windows. even after 
rebooting LC



Paul Hibbert via use-livecode"  wrote:

Look at the fifth item down the window and you’ll see:

   Prefer tabs when opening documents: Always | In Full Screen Only | 
Manually

If you set this to “Always” you will see the Tab Bars appear in 
resizable LC windows.
If it’s set to "In Full Screen Only”, then the tabs will appear if you 
create a new stack while your current stack or window is open in full screen 
mode.
If it’s set to “Manually” then the Tab bars don’t normally appear.

These settings are obviously local to your machine, so I doubt it would 
(easily) be successful to try developing an app that relies on this, so to me 
it makes most sense to leave it set to “Manually”, but no doubt someone could 
take advantage of this if they are willing to put in the extra effort needed, 
but don’t take my word for that!



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Re: Extra Title Bar in All Stacks

[Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode]

Now, that's obscure

I was in "In Full screen Only"

I set to sys prefs → dock → tabs→ "Manually"

But second tab title bar still appears on resizeable LC windows. even after 
rebooting LC



 Paul Hibbert via use-livecode"  wrote:

Look at the fifth item down the window and you’ll see:

   Prefer tabs when opening documents: Always | In Full Screen Only | 
Manually

If you set this to “Always” you will see the Tab Bars appear in resizable 
LC windows.
If it’s set to "In Full Screen Only”, then the tabs will appear if you 
create a new stack while your current stack or window is open in full screen 
mode.
If it’s set to “Manually” then the Tab bars don’t normally appear.

These settings are obviously local to your machine, so I doubt it would 
(easily) be successful to try developing an app that relies on this, so to me 
it makes most sense to leave it set to “Manually”, but no doubt someone could 
take advantage of this if they are willing to put in the extra effort needed, 
but don’t take my word for that!

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Re: Extra Title Bar in All Stacks

[Paul Hibbert via use-livecode]

This came up a while ago, and Colin Holgate pointed out that it comes from a 
System Preference setting for the Dock (go figure!).

Go to the Apple Menu, open System Preferences and choose the Dock icon.

Look at the fifth item down the window and you’ll see:

   Prefer tabs when opening documents: Always | In Full Screen Only | Manually

If you set this to “Always” you will see the Tab Bars appear in resizable LC 
windows.
If it’s set to "In Full Screen Only”, then the tabs will appear if you create a 
new stack while your current stack or window is open in full screen mode.
If it’s set to “Manually” then the Tab bars don’t normally appear.

These settings are obviously local to your machine, so I doubt it would 
(easily) be successful to try developing an app that relies on this, so to me 
it makes most sense to leave it set to “Manually”, but no doubt someone could 
take advantage of this if they are willing to put in the extra effort needed, 
but don’t take my word for that!

Paul

> On 25 Mar 2017, at 19:00, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> confirmed.
> 
> Create new stack (leave it untitled) 
> 
> … I am getting a second "tab bar"  under the *real* title bar of the new stack
> 
> Create second new stack
> 
> Hmmm,  yes, fascinating, I can drag the title bar slowly onto the first stack 
> and let go
> 
> Now I have
>   Untitled 2  # top of window
> 
> untitled 1 *  | Untitled 2 *  # two tabs
> 
> -- Nothing in the view menu relatedt to tabs.
> -- turn off resizeable in untitled 2 and the stack "jumps" out to a new 
> window.
> 
> OK, none of my stacks in this project need to be resizeable I can live with 
> it, but 
> a) why would it appear suddently and 
> b) why doesn't it go away after delete settings?
> 
> Is there another place where the engine is writing prefs or settings that we 
> don't know about?  It wasn't happening yesterday, in stacks that *were* 
> resizeable. Something I did today triggered this new behavior.
> 
> BR
> 
> On 3/25/17, 3:45 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of Colin Holgate via 
> use-livecode"  use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>It’s a standard Sierra feature that LiveCode doesn’t fully support yet. 
> The View menu is supposed to have a Show Tab Bar menu item, which would hide 
> the tab bar part of the window. The option is there sometimes, so if you’re 
> lucky enough to see it you can deselect it.
> 
>If the tab bar is showing you can drag one stack’s tab bar to another 
> stack’s tab bar to dock them together. There should also be a + button in the 
> tab bar too, which in LiveCode I suppose would start a new stack as a tab.
> 
>Stacks that are docked together are effectively the same card size, so if 
> LiveCode does do better support it should be possible to start a new stack as 
> a tab, and at the card side of the existing stack, without you having to say 
> what size stack you want.
> 
> 
>> On Mar 25, 2017, at 6:20 PM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Something bizarre started happening this afternoon
>> 
>> Mac OSx 10.12.3 Sierra
>> LC 9DP5
>> 
>> Stack are opening with a second title bar underneath the *real* title bar.
>> 
>> see http://wiki.hindu.org/uploads/extra-title-var.jpg
>> 
>> I deleted my settings, removed all plug-ins, deleted settings again, 
>> rebooted… stack still appear with a second title bar.
>> 
>> any clues to what is wrong?
>> 
>> BR
>> 
> 
> 
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Re: Extra Title Bar in All Stacks

[Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode]

confirmed.

Create new stack (leave it untitled) 

… I am getting a second "tab bar"  under the *real* title bar of the new stack

Create second new stack
  
Hmmm,  yes, fascinating, I can drag the title bar slowly onto the first stack 
and let go

Now I have
   Untitled 2   # top of window

untitled 1 *  | Untitled 2 *# two tabs

-- Nothing in the view menu relatedt to tabs.
-- turn off resizeable in untitled 2 and the stack "jumps" out to a new window.

OK, none of my stacks in this project need to be resizeable I can live with it, 
but 
a) why would it appear suddently and 
b) why doesn't it go away after delete settings?

Is there another place where the engine is writing prefs or settings that we 
don't know about?  It wasn't happening yesterday, in stacks that *were* 
resizeable. Something I did today triggered this new behavior.

BR

On 3/25/17, 3:45 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of Colin Holgate via use-livecode" 
 wrote:

It’s a standard Sierra feature that LiveCode doesn’t fully support yet. The 
View menu is supposed to have a Show Tab Bar menu item, which would hide the 
tab bar part of the window. The option is there sometimes, so if you’re lucky 
enough to see it you can deselect it.

If the tab bar is showing you can drag one stack’s tab bar to another 
stack’s tab bar to dock them together. There should also be a + button in the 
tab bar too, which in LiveCode I suppose would start a new stack as a tab.

Stacks that are docked together are effectively the same card size, so if 
LiveCode does do better support it should be possible to start a new stack as a 
tab, and at the card side of the existing stack, without you having to say what 
size stack you want.


> On Mar 25, 2017, at 6:20 PM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode 
 wrote:
> 
> Something bizarre started happening this afternoon
> 
> Mac OSx 10.12.3 Sierra
> LC 9DP5
> 
> Stack are opening with a second title bar underneath the *real* title bar.
> 
> see http://wiki.hindu.org/uploads/extra-title-var.jpg
> 
> I deleted my settings, removed all plug-ins, deleted settings again, 
rebooted… stack still appear with a second title bar.
> 
> any clues to what is wrong?
> 
> BR
> 


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Re: Extra Title Bar in All Stacks

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

It’s a standard Sierra feature that LiveCode doesn’t fully support yet. The 
View menu is supposed to have a Show Tab Bar menu item, which would hide the 
tab bar part of the window. The option is there sometimes, so if you’re lucky 
enough to see it you can deselect it.

If the tab bar is showing you can drag one stack’s tab bar to another stack’s 
tab bar to dock them together. There should also be a + button in the tab bar 
too, which in LiveCode I suppose would start a new stack as a tab.

Stacks that are docked together are effectively the same card size, so if 
LiveCode does do better support it should be possible to start a new stack as a 
tab, and at the card side of the existing stack, without you having to say what 
size stack you want.


> On Mar 25, 2017, at 6:20 PM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Something bizarre started happening this afternoon
> 
> Mac OSx 10.12.3 Sierra
> LC 9DP5
> 
> Stack are opening with a second title bar underneath the *real* title bar.
> 
> see http://wiki.hindu.org/uploads/extra-title-var.jpg
> 
> I deleted my settings, removed all plug-ins, deleted settings again, 
> rebooted… stack still appear with a second title bar.
> 
> any clues to what is wrong?
> 
> BR
> 


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Re: Extra Title Bar in All Stacks

[Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode]

Further testing:  This is only occurring on stacks with "resize" set to true.. 
if I uncheck that the second title bar disappears.  My gut says it has 
something to do with the "decorations" property of stacks being corrupted.


On 3/25/17, 3:20 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via 
use-livecode"  wrote:

Something bizarre started happening this afternoon

Mac OSx 10.12.3 Sierra
LC 9DP5

Stack are opening with a second title bar underneath the *real* title bar.

see http://wiki.hindu.org/uploads/extra-title-var.jpg

I deleted my settings, removed all plug-ins, deleted settings again, 
rebooted… stack still appear with a second title bar.

any clues to what is wrong?

BR



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Extra Title Bar in All Stacks

[Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode]

Something bizarre started happening this afternoon

Mac OSx 10.12.3 Sierra
LC 9DP5

Stack are opening with a second title bar underneath the *real* title bar.

see http://wiki.hindu.org/uploads/extra-title-var.jpg

I deleted my settings, removed all plug-ins, deleted settings again, rebooted… 
stack still appear with a second title bar.

any clues to what is wrong?

BR


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