Re: Tutorial for Livecode Server log in system

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

As an aside, I do store passwords, but I encrypt them first using a method only 
I know about. However I am not using a web portal, so there’s that.

Bob S


On Mar 27, 2024, at 3:44 PM, Tim Selander via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Dear Alex and Pere

Thank you both for your code and and the time you took to help! I'm am working 
through the code you sent, studying out how it works. Great learning experience.

Also, Alex, your point of not using password log ins is a philosophical 
re-frame in my thinking! Thank you!

Tim

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Re: Tutorial for Livecode Server log in system

[Tim Selander via use-livecode]

Dear Alex and Pere

Thank you both for your code and and the time you took to help! 
I'm am working through the code you sent, studying out how it 
works. Great learning experience.


Also, Alex, your point of not using password log ins is a 
philosophical re-frame in my thinking! Thank you!


Tim



On 2024/03/27 2:36, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:

Hi Tim,

I guess my first response would be - don't.

Specifically, don't store or use passwords. Users have a bad 
habit of re-using the same passwords, so even if your site has no 
personal or valuable info about your users, the fact that 
passwords get re-used means you are storing valuable info, and so 
you're taking on a moral responsibility to keep it very safe.


If you do have passwords, then you need to have a recovery 
mechanism for when users forget their pssword. 99% of the time, 
that involves emailing them a recovery link, or temp password, or 
... So in effect the password has the same (or less) security 
than their email account - so you might as well just use the 
email account.


Nowadays I always use this style of password-free accounts. I 
would have sent a copy of the known, tested, etc. code - but it's 
all embedded in lots of my libraries, etc. and was tricky to 
unravel. So I've sent a very bare-bones version; tested but not 
all corner cases (e.g. I didn't wait a week to ensure time-outs 
happened properly :-).


Overview: The user asks for a code to login with, that gets 
emailed to them, and then they type that code in to the next 
screen. Once that's successfully done, you set up a cookie in 
their browser, valid for some reasonable length of time such as 7 
days, and you're done. Any script that wants to can take the 
getCurrentUser() code to check that they are logged in properly.


Internally, it's done by creating a temporary code (6 digits, 
which is recorded along with their email and expires within 15 
minutes), and once they have verified that code, you give them a 
new code which is a UUID (so essentially un-guessable) which 
lasts for the 7 days.


Other than that, I hope it's reasonably straightforward .


Alex.

simplelogin.lc


 tExpires then
   return empty
    else
   return item 2 of line -1 of tCodes
    end if
end getCurrentUser

function shellEscape pText
-- keep this at the end because it messes up Coda colouring
    repeat for each char tChar in "\`!$" & quote
   replace tChar with "\" & tChar in pText
    end repeat
    return pText
end shellEscape

function wrapQ pText
    return quote & pText & quote
end wrapQ

on askforemail
  put ""
  put "    My email is "
  put "    "
  put "    Submit my 
email "

  put ""
end askforemail

on askforcode
  put ""
  put "    My code is "
  put "    "
  put "    Submit my code 
"

  put ""
end askforcode

on askforlogout
  put ""
  put "    "
  put "    Log me out 
now"

  put ""
end askforlogout

-- real code start here

put getCurrentUser() into tUser

if $_POST["logout"] AND tUser is not empty then
    put $_COOKIE["myusercookie"] into tCode
    put tCode & comma & tUser & comma & (the seconds-1)  after \
    URL ("file:codes.txt")
   put "Successfully logged out."
   exit to top
end if

if tUser is not empty then -- ask them if they want to log out
   put "Already logged in as " & tUser
   askforlogout
   exit to top
end if

put $_POST["code"] into tCode
if tCode is not empty then
   -- we need to compare this code with what is pending
   put URL ("file:codes.txt") into tPending
   put ( tCode & comma & "*") into tFilter
   filter tPending with tFilter
   put line -1 of tPending into tPending
   if the seconds <= item 3 of tPending then  -- found a match 
pending

  put item 2 of tPending into tEmail
  put uuid("random") into tCode
  put tCode & comma & tEmail & comma & (the 
seconds+60*60*24*7)  after \

    URL ("file:codes.txt")
  put cookie "myusercookie" with tCode until (the seconds + 
60 * 60 * 24 * 7)

  put "Successfully logged in"
  exit to top
   end if
   -- no match for the code
   put "Code not matched. Please try again or give different 
email address."

   askforcode
else
   put $_POST["email"] into tEmail
end if

if tEmail is not empty then
   -- have email address - generate a code and ask user for it
   put random(99) into tSix
   put format("%06d", tSix) into tSix

   -- put this following line in for quick and easy testing !!
   -- be sure to take it out later !!!
   put "should email" && tSix && "to you."

   -- build the message header, adding the from, to and subject 
details
   -- we also put any cc addresses in here, but not bcc (bcc 
addresses hidden)


   put "i...@kilmelford.com" into pFrom   -- CHANGE KILMELFORD.COM
   put tEmail into pTo
   put "From:" && pFrom  & return & \
    "To:" && tEmail & return & \
    "Subject: Login code for kilmelford.com" & \
     return into tMsg

    put "Content-Type: text/plain;" & return & return after tMsg
    put "Your 

Re: Tutorial for Livecode Server log in system

[Alex Tweedly via use-livecode]

Hi Tim,

I guess my first response would be - don't.

Specifically, don't store or use passwords. Users have a bad habit of 
re-using the same passwords, so even if your site has no personal or 
valuable info about your users, the fact that passwords get re-used 
means you are storing valuable info, and so you're taking on a moral 
responsibility to keep it very safe.


If you do have passwords, then you need to have a recovery mechanism for 
when users forget their pssword. 99% of the time, that involves emailing 
them a recovery link, or temp password, or ... So in effect the password 
has the same (or less) security than their email account - so you might 
as well just use the email account.


Nowadays I always use this style of password-free accounts. I would have 
sent a copy of the known, tested, etc. code - but it's all embedded in 
lots of my libraries, etc. and was tricky to unravel. So I've sent a 
very bare-bones version; tested but not all corner cases (e.g. I didn't 
wait a week to ensure time-outs happened properly :-).


Overview: The user asks for a code to login with, that gets emailed to 
them, and then they type that code in to the next screen. Once that's 
successfully done, you set up a cookie in their browser, valid for some 
reasonable length of time such as 7 days, and you're done. Any script 
that wants to can take the getCurrentUser() code to check that they are 
logged in properly.


Internally, it's done by creating a temporary code (6 digits, which is 
recorded along with their email and expires within 15 minutes), and once 
they have verified that code, you give them a new code which is a UUID 
(so essentially un-guessable) which lasts for the 7 days.


Other than that, I hope it's reasonably straightforward .


Alex.

simplelogin.lc


 tExpires then
  return empty
   else
  return item 2 of line -1 of tCodes
   end if
end getCurrentUser

function shellEscape pText
-- keep this at the end because it messes up Coda colouring
   repeat for each char tChar in "\`!$" & quote
  replace tChar with "\" & tChar in pText
   end repeat
   return pText
end shellEscape

function wrapQ pText
   return quote & pText & quote
end wrapQ

on askforemail
 put ""
 put "    My email is "
 put "    "
 put "    Submit my email 
"

 put ""
end askforemail

on askforcode
 put ""
 put "    My code is "
 put "    "
 put "    Submit my code "
 put ""
end askforcode

on askforlogout
 put ""
 put "    "
 put "    Log me out now"
 put ""
end askforlogout

-- real code start here

put getCurrentUser() into tUser

if $_POST["logout"] AND tUser is not empty then
   put $_COOKIE["myusercookie"] into tCode
   put tCode & comma & tUser & comma & (the seconds-1)  after \
   URL ("file:codes.txt")
  put "Successfully logged out."
  exit to top
end if

if tUser is not empty then -- ask them if they want to log out
  put "Already logged in as " & tUser
  askforlogout
  exit to top
end if

put $_POST["code"] into tCode
if tCode is not empty then
  -- we need to compare this code with what is pending
  put URL ("file:codes.txt") into tPending
  put ( tCode & comma & "*") into tFilter
  filter tPending with tFilter
  put line -1 of tPending into tPending
  if the seconds <= item 3 of tPending then  -- found a match pending
 put item 2 of tPending into tEmail
 put uuid("random") into tCode
 put tCode & comma & tEmail & comma & (the seconds+60*60*24*7)  
after \

   URL ("file:codes.txt")
 put cookie "myusercookie" with tCode until (the seconds + 60 * 60 
* 24 * 7)

 put "Successfully logged in"
 exit to top
  end if
  -- no match for the code
  put "Code not matched. Please try again or give different email 
address."

  askforcode
else
  put $_POST["email"] into tEmail
end if

if tEmail is not empty then
  -- have email address - generate a code and ask user for it
  put random(99) into tSix
  put format("%06d", tSix) into tSix

  -- put this following line in for quick and easy testing !!
  -- be sure to take it out later !!!
  put "should email" && tSix && "to you."

  -- build the message header, adding the from, to and subject details
  -- we also put any cc addresses in here, but not bcc (bcc addresses 
hidden)


  put "i...@kilmelford.com" into pFrom   -- CHANGE KILMELFORD.COM
  put tEmail into pTo
  put "From:" && pFrom  & return & \
   "To:" && tEmail & return & \
   "Subject: Login code for kilmelford.com" & \
    return into tMsg

   put "Content-Type: text/plain;" & return & return after tMsg
   put "Your code is" && tSix && "and it will expire in 15 minutes" 
after tMsg


   -- send the mail by piping the message we have just built to the 
sendmail command
   get shell("echo" && wrapQ(shellEscape(tMsg)) && "| 
/usr/sbin/sendmail" && \

 wrapQ(shellEscape(pTo)) && "-f" && wrapQ(shellEscape(pFrom)))

  put the seconds into tEndTime
  add 15 * 60 to tEndTime
  put tSix & comma & tEmail & comma & tEndTime  after \
   URL 

Re: Tutorial for Livecode Server log in system

[pere xavier Rossello via use-livecode]

cont ( make mistakes pushing tab on keyboard)
full scrip
"
put "window.location='index.html?_e=Error_sin_login';"
put ""
end if

 retrive pass from database
put revOpenDatabase ("mysql",
"localhost:3363","reparacion","gsmmax","11*Endimion_grd") into gDbId
put "select pass,id,token from tecnicos where login='" & gUsr & "';" into
tSQL
put tSQL & ""
put revDataFromQuery(tab, return, gDbID, tSQL) into tRes

set itemdelimiter to tab
put item 1 of tRes into tPass
put item 2 of tRes into tCod
put item 3 of tRes into tToken
if tPass <> gPass then
-- error -
  put ""
   put "window.location='index.html?_e=Error Password';"
   put ""
else
    Pass oK continue
   put ""
  put "window.location='vrep.lc?token=" & tToken &"';"
   put ""
end if
revCloseDatabase gDbId

?>


if someone want to try it:
  https://mpibox.com/rep/
login:
 user: test
 pass: admin


if you need some help let me know.

P.D.
sorry for spelling mistakes. and other copy/paste

El mar, 26 mar 2024 a las 12:45, pere xavier Rossello ()
escribió:

> Hi.
>
> To make online log in is quit easy in livecode.
> first you need a webpage with a form asking username, email and password )
> and submit to a livecode script
>   enctype="text/plain">
>placeholder="Usuario" required>
>required>
>  Log in
> 
> --- method can be to types get or post - normally  I use Get
> this will send username and pass to tloging.lc script
>
> and the livecode code script
> -
>  put $_SERVER["REQUEST_METHOD"]  into gMetodo
> if gMetodo = "POST" then
> put  $_POST["login"]  into gUsr
> put  $_POST["pass"]  into gPass
> put  $_POST["tipo"]  into gTipo
>
> else
> put  $_GET["login"]  into gUsr
> put  $_GET["pass"]  into gPass
> put  $_GET["tipo"]  into gTipo
> end if
> if gPass = "print" and gUsr = "print" then
> put ""
> put "window.location='impr_pend.lc?t=impresion';"
> put ""
> end if
> if len(gUsr)<2  or len(gPass)<2 then
>
> put ""
> put "window.location='index.html?_e=Error_sin_login';"
> put ""
> end if
> put revOpenDatabase ("mysql",
> "localhost:3363","reparacion","gsmmax","11*Endimion_grd") into gDbId
>
> --put revdb_execute(gDbId, tSQL, "") into  tResultado
> put "select pass,id,token from tecnicos where login='" & gUsr & "';" into
> tSQL
> put tSQL & ""
> put revDataFromQuery(tab, return, gDbID, tSQL) into tRes
>
> set itemdelimiter to tab
> put item 1 of tRes into tPass
> put item 2 of tRes into tCod
> put item 3 of tRes into tToken
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> El mar, 26 mar 2024 a las 6:15, Tim Selander via use-livecode (<
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>) escribió:
>
>> Hi all.
>>
>> As a hobbiest/amateur I continue to plunk away with Livecode, mostly the
>> server product in my on-rev account.
>>
>> Can anyone point me to a tutorial or sample of an online log in system
>> (username, email and password) for a website using Livecode?
>>
>> I've found some php tutorials, and /think/ I could glean enough hints to
>> roll my own in LC server, but would greatly prefer to start with LC
>> itself!
>>
>> Any help appreciated!
>>
>> Tim Selander
>> Japan
>>
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Re: Tutorial for Livecode Server log in system

[pere xavier Rossello via use-livecode]

Hi.

To make online log in is quit easy in livecode.
first you need a webpage with a form asking username, email and password )
and submit to a livecode script
 
  
  
 Log in

--- method can be to types get or post - normally  I use Get
this will send username and pass to tloging.lc script

and the livecode code script
-
"
put "window.location='impr_pend.lc?t=impresion';"
put ""
end if
if len(gUsr)<2  or len(gPass)<2 then

put ""
put "window.location='index.html?_e=Error_sin_login';"
put ""
end if
put revOpenDatabase ("mysql",
"localhost:3363","reparacion","gsmmax","11*Endimion_grd") into gDbId

--put revdb_execute(gDbId, tSQL, "") into  tResultado
put "select pass,id,token from tecnicos where login='" & gUsr & "';" into
tSQL
put tSQL & ""
put revDataFromQuery(tab, return, gDbID, tSQL) into tRes

set itemdelimiter to tab
put item 1 of tRes into tPass
put item 2 of tRes into tCod
put item 3 of tRes into tToken







El mar, 26 mar 2024 a las 6:15, Tim Selander via use-livecode (<
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>) escribió:

> Hi all.
>
> As a hobbiest/amateur I continue to plunk away with Livecode, mostly the
> server product in my on-rev account.
>
> Can anyone point me to a tutorial or sample of an online log in system
> (username, email and password) for a website using Livecode?
>
> I've found some php tutorials, and /think/ I could glean enough hints to
> roll my own in LC server, but would greatly prefer to start with LC itself!
>
> Any help appreciated!
>
> Tim Selander
> Japan
>
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Tutorial for Livecode Server log in system

[Tim Selander via use-livecode]

Hi all.

As a hobbiest/amateur I continue to plunk away with Livecode, mostly the 
server product in my on-rev account.


Can anyone point me to a tutorial or sample of an online log in system 
(username, email and password) for a website using Livecode?


I've found some php tutorials, and /think/ I could glean enough hints to 
roll my own in LC server, but would greatly prefer to start with LC itself!


Any help appreciated!

Tim Selander
Japan

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Re: LiveCode server as OAuth2 client for APIs?

[Ralf Bitter via use-livecode]

Hi Keith,

to avoid creating too much noise here, let's continue
the conversation on the revIgniter mailing list. You'll find my
answer there.


Ralf



On 07.12.2023 18:01, Keith Clarke via use-livecode wrote:

Hi Ralf,
Thanks for the guidance and updated formHelper script - and apologies to folks 
not using LiveCode Server or RevIgniter - I now realise this should have been 
posted on the use RevIgniter list.

I’ve now got a basic button that submits a form data post to the Salesforce 
authorisation server. However, there are a couple of issues, which are probably 
due to me misreading the user guide (again!) and/or getting confused over what 
markup goes into controller and view files for RevIgniter.

I’m using a controller file to prepare and add to the gData[] array both the 
form contents and submit button, which are then accessed in the view file, 
using the following...



In the controller file, I first used the recipe for ‘Adding Hidden Input 
Fields’ to create an array for the third ‘hidden’ parameter of the 
rigFormOpen() function. This worked as a POST but all the hidden fields are 
visible in the view file’s html. This is rather insecure for authentication, 
revealing consumer_id (and in future, client_secret, which I’ll need to add to 
increase security once basic access is proven).

So, I’m hoping the rigFormHidden(tData) recipe can keep the hidden content 
‘LiveCode-side' until post submission and out of the HTML. So far the hidden 
values don’t seem to be getting into the POST, as I’m getting an unsupported 
request type (so the ‘response_type=code’ is not being received).

I’m sure I am taking the wrong approach, as well as incorrect syntax in my 
controller handler - as if I understand things correctly, the way I’ve got 
parameter three of the rigFormOpen() call pointing at gData[‘hidden’] would, if 
successful, render the hidden contents visible in the view file’s html...

   # Prepare Salesforce login form
   
 # Load form helper library

 rigLoadHelper "form"
   
   # Prepare hidden parameter data array

 put “XXsomeClientIdXX" into aHidden["client_id"]
 put URLencode(“XXsomeRedirectURLXX") into aHidden["redirect_uri"]
 put "code" into aHidden["response_type"]
 put rigFormHidden(aHidden) into gData["hidden"]
 
 # Prepare form

 put rigFormOpen(“XXauthoirisationServerURLXX", “", gData["hidden"]) into 
gData["formOpen"]
 
 # Prepare submit button

 put "sfLoginBtn" into aData["name"]
 put "sfLoginBtn" into aData["id"]
 put "btn btn-primary" into aData["class"]
 put "submit" into aData["type"]
 put "Salesforce Login" into aData["value"]
 
 put rigSubmitButton(aData) into gData["submit"]
   
   # put "Topic1,Topic2,Topic3" into gData["ListItems"]


   get rigLoadView("homeMainView")

I’m probably making multiple newbie errors, but I’ve been unable to find any 
worked examples of RevIgniter controller and view file markup for form posting. 
So, I’d be obliged for any hints and tips.
Best,
Keith


On 6 Dec 2023, at 17:53, Ralf Bitter via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Hi Keith,

using revIgniter you can always hard code the opening
form tag, this way you can use any URL as an action
attribute.

However, your message has prompted me to change the
rigFormOpen() function so that you can override the
current URL with the value of an optional action
attribute included in the second parameter.
So, if you like, you can download the modified
version of the form helper at:

https://github.com/revig/revigniter/blob/develop/system/helpers/formHelper.livecodescript


Ralf



On 06.12.2023 11:00, Keith Clarke via use-livecode wrote:

Hi folks,
Does anyone have experience of using OAuth2 with LiveCode server, to log into 
third-party data sources for API access?
  I am experimenting with a web based utility app that runs on LiveCode server & 
RevIgniter and I need to be able to log into a Salesforce.com <http://salesforce.com/> 
account to pull data into the app via APIs. I’m following the Salesforce Oauth 2.0 Web Server 
Flow for Web App Integration 
https://help.salesforce.com/s/articleView?id=sf.remoteaccess_oauth_web_server_flow.htm=5
 and
I’ve configured the LiveCode app as a connected app in a Salesforce developer 
instance, to create a consumer id, with which I can request an authorisation 
code. This requires a POST to a Salesforce endpoint, which, if successful 
redirects to a page on the Salesforce authorisation server to provide login 
credentials. This is where I’m stuck...
The LiveCode OAuth2 library seems to be desktop centric (expecting any 
redirects via the loopback IP address of 127.0.0.1, rather than a URL); the 
RevIgniter forms library seems to support posts to URLs within

Re: LiveCode server as OAuth2 client for APIs?

[Keith Clarke via use-livecode]

Hi Ralf,
Thanks for the guidance and updated formHelper script - and apologies to folks 
not using LiveCode Server or RevIgniter - I now realise this should have been 
posted on the use RevIgniter list. 

I’ve now got a basic button that submits a form data post to the Salesforce 
authorisation server. However, there are a couple of issues, which are probably 
due to me misreading the user guide (again!) and/or getting confused over what 
markup goes into controller and view files for RevIgniter.

I’m using a controller file to prepare and add to the gData[] array both the 
form contents and submit button, which are then accessed in the view file, 
using the following... 

 

In the controller file, I first used the recipe for ‘Adding Hidden Input 
Fields’ to create an array for the third ‘hidden’ parameter of the 
rigFormOpen() function. This worked as a POST but all the hidden fields are 
visible in the view file’s html. This is rather insecure for authentication, 
revealing consumer_id (and in future, client_secret, which I’ll need to add to 
increase security once basic access is proven). 

So, I’m hoping the rigFormHidden(tData) recipe can keep the hidden content 
‘LiveCode-side' until post submission and out of the HTML. So far the hidden 
values don’t seem to be getting into the POST, as I’m getting an unsupported 
request type (so the ‘response_type=code’ is not being received). 

I’m sure I am taking the wrong approach, as well as incorrect syntax in my 
controller handler - as if I understand things correctly, the way I’ve got 
parameter three of the rigFormOpen() call pointing at gData[‘hidden’] would, if 
successful, render the hidden contents visible in the view file’s html... 

  # Prepare Salesforce login form
  
# Load form helper library
rigLoadHelper "form"
  
  # Prepare hidden parameter data array
put “XXsomeClientIdXX" into aHidden["client_id"]
put URLencode(“XXsomeRedirectURLXX") into aHidden["redirect_uri"]
put "code" into aHidden["response_type"]
put rigFormHidden(aHidden) into gData["hidden"]

# Prepare form
put rigFormOpen(“XXauthoirisationServerURLXX", “", gData["hidden"]) into 
gData["formOpen"]

# Prepare submit button
put "sfLoginBtn" into aData["name"]
put "sfLoginBtn" into aData["id"]
put "btn btn-primary" into aData["class"]
put "submit" into aData["type"]
put "Salesforce Login" into aData["value"]

put rigSubmitButton(aData) into gData["submit"]
  
  # put "Topic1,Topic2,Topic3" into gData["ListItems"]

  get rigLoadView("homeMainView")

I’m probably making multiple newbie errors, but I’ve been unable to find any 
worked examples of RevIgniter controller and view file markup for form posting. 
So, I’d be obliged for any hints and tips.
Best,
Keith

> On 6 Dec 2023, at 17:53, Ralf Bitter via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Keith,
> 
> using revIgniter you can always hard code the opening
> form tag, this way you can use any URL as an action
> attribute.
> 
> However, your message has prompted me to change the
> rigFormOpen() function so that you can override the
> current URL with the value of an optional action
> attribute included in the second parameter.
> So, if you like, you can download the modified
> version of the form helper at:
> 
> https://github.com/revig/revigniter/blob/develop/system/helpers/formHelper.livecodescript
> 
> 
> Ralf
> 
> 
> 
> On 06.12.2023 11:00, Keith Clarke via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hi folks,
>> Does anyone have experience of using OAuth2 with LiveCode server, to log 
>> into third-party data sources for API access?
>>  I am experimenting with a web based utility app that runs on LiveCode 
>> server & RevIgniter and I need to be able to log into a Salesforce.com 
>> <http://salesforce.com/> account to pull data into the app via APIs. I’m 
>> following the Salesforce Oauth 2.0 Web Server Flow for Web App Integration 
>> https://help.salesforce.com/s/articleView?id=sf.remoteaccess_oauth_web_server_flow.htm=5
>>  and
>> I’ve configured the LiveCode app as a connected app in a Salesforce 
>> developer instance, to create a consumer id, with which I can request an 
>> authorisation code. This requires a POST to a Salesforce endpoint, which, if 
>> successful redirects to a page on the Salesforce authorisation server to 
>> provide login credentials. This is where I’m stuck...
>> The LiveCode OAuth2 library seems to be desktop centric (expecting any 
>> redirects via the loopbac

Re: LiveCode server as OAuth2 client for APIs?

[Ralf Bitter via use-livecode]

Hi Keith,

using revIgniter you can always hard code the opening
form tag, this way you can use any URL as an action
attribute.

However, your message has prompted me to change the
rigFormOpen() function so that you can override the
current URL with the value of an optional action
attribute included in the second parameter.
So, if you like, you can download the modified
version of the form helper at:

https://github.com/revig/revigniter/blob/develop/system/helpers/formHelper.livecodescript


Ralf



On 06.12.2023 11:00, Keith Clarke via use-livecode wrote:

Hi folks,
Does anyone have experience of using OAuth2 with LiveCode server, to log into 
third-party data sources for API access?
  
I am experimenting with a web based utility app that runs on LiveCode server & RevIgniter and I need to be able to log into a Salesforce.com <http://salesforce.com/> account to pull data into the app via APIs. I’m following the Salesforce Oauth 2.0 Web Server Flow for Web App Integration https://help.salesforce.com/s/articleView?id=sf.remoteaccess_oauth_web_server_flow.htm=5 and


I’ve configured the LiveCode app as a connected app in a Salesforce developer 
instance, to create a consumer id, with which I can request an authorisation 
code. This requires a POST to a Salesforce endpoint, which, if successful 
redirects to a page on the Salesforce authorisation server to provide login 
credentials. This is where I’m stuck...

The LiveCode OAuth2 library seems to be desktop centric (expecting any 
redirects via the loopback IP address of 127.0.0.1, rather than a URL); the 
RevIgniter forms library seems to support posts to URLs within the LiveCode app 
but not third party URLs; and if I create a LiveCode file to ‘post data to URL 
tSalesforceAuthURL’ from within RevIgniter, I can’t see any option to follow 
redirects and so, unsurprisingly, the page URL doesn’t change.

Any advice greatly appreciated.
Best,
Keith
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LiveCode server as OAuth2 client for APIs?

[Keith Clarke via use-livecode]

Hi folks,
Does anyone have experience of using OAuth2 with LiveCode server, to log into 
third-party data sources for API access?
 
I am experimenting with a web based utility app that runs on LiveCode server & 
RevIgniter and I need to be able to log into a Salesforce.com 
<http://salesforce.com/> account to pull data into the app via APIs. I’m 
following the Salesforce Oauth 2.0 Web Server Flow for Web App Integration 
https://help.salesforce.com/s/articleView?id=sf.remoteaccess_oauth_web_server_flow.htm=5
 and 

I’ve configured the LiveCode app as a connected app in a Salesforce developer 
instance, to create a consumer id, with which I can request an authorisation 
code. This requires a POST to a Salesforce endpoint, which, if successful 
redirects to a page on the Salesforce authorisation server to provide login 
credentials. This is where I’m stuck...

The LiveCode OAuth2 library seems to be desktop centric (expecting any 
redirects via the loopback IP address of 127.0.0.1, rather than a URL); the 
RevIgniter forms library seems to support posts to URLs within the LiveCode app 
but not third party URLs; and if I create a LiveCode file to ‘post data to URL 
tSalesforceAuthURL’ from within RevIgniter, I can’t see any option to follow 
redirects and so, unsurprisingly, the page URL doesn’t change.

Any advice greatly appreciated.
Best,
Keith  
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Re: LiveCode Server is sleeping?

[harrison--- via use-livecode]

Hi Matthias,

To answer your questions:

MacintoshHD/Library/WebServer/CGI-Executables/livecode-server

The hard drive is the internal SSD drive.

Apache server and the livecode server are both installed on the same hard drive.

Scripts are in:

Library/Webserver/Documents

and some are forwarded to:

Users/(username)/Sites

Since I’m not using spinning hard drives, that is probably not the issue.

I do get an error in the error log of: XType: Using static font registry 
(sometimes)
but that seems too minor to be causing this problem.  Not quite sure how to
fix the the font problem.

Ideas?

Thanks,

Rick


> On Jun 22, 2023, at 3:59 PM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I am also running Livecode Server with Apache on 13.4 without a problem so 
> far.
> 
> Where did you install the software (Apache/Livecode Server)?
> Is Livecode Server installed on the same hard drive as Apache server is 
> installed?
> Where are your scripts stored? 
> 
> I had once problems with external hard drives which had built in power 
> management. 
> So although i had disabled the "Hard disk standby" (don't know the correct 
> English expression) in the energy settings of macOS the external hard drives 
> went to sleep after some time.
> 
> I solved this with a little free tool called Keep Drive Spinning
> http://jon.stovell.info/software/keep-drive-spinning/
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Matthias

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Re: LiveCode Server is sleeping?

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

I am also running Livecode Server with Apache on 13.4 without a problem so far.

Where did you install the software (Apache/Livecode Server)?
Is Livecode Server installed on the same hard drive as Apache server is 
installed?
Where are your scripts stored? 

I had once problems with external hard drives which had built in power 
management. 
So although i had disabled the "Hard disk standby" (don't know the correct 
English expression) in the energy settings of macOS the external hard drives 
went to sleep after some time.

I solved this with a little free tool called Keep Drive Spinning
http://jon.stovell.info/software/keep-drive-spinning/


Regards,
Matthias
> Am 22.06.2023 um 18:04 schrieb harrison--- via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> I am running LiveCode Server version 9.6.9,
> with apache 2.4.56 under Mac OS 13.4 Ventura 
> with a Postgresql database.
> 
> All of my energy saver settings in the OS are
> set so nothing ever sleeps.
> 
> When my server hasn’t been getting incoming
> connections for a time, for some stupid reason
> it goes to sleep and stops serving pages!
> 
> I’ve tried to track down the problem, and it
> appears that apache is running fine as
> proved by when asking for a strict HTML
> webpage, and everything works!
> 
> Anything that needs the LiveCode server
> doesn’t work for a couple of minutes,
> and only after a half dozen requests does
> it start responding normally.
> 
> I have checked my error logs, and it shows
> timeouts for livecode-server.
> 
> I don’t know if livecode is waiting to get
> a response from Postresql or not.
> 
> The interval between failures varies, so
> it is difficult to know how often I have to
> tell an automatic application to access the
> website in order to keep everything running
> correctly.
> 
> Ideas?  Suggestions?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
> 
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LiveCode Server is sleeping?

[harrison--- via use-livecode]

I am running LiveCode Server version 9.6.9,
with apache 2.4.56 under Mac OS 13.4 Ventura 
with a Postgresql database.

All of my energy saver settings in the OS are
set so nothing ever sleeps.

When my server hasn’t been getting incoming
connections for a time, for some stupid reason
it goes to sleep and stops serving pages!

I’ve tried to track down the problem, and it
appears that apache is running fine as
proved by when asking for a strict HTML
webpage, and everything works!

Anything that needs the LiveCode server
doesn’t work for a couple of minutes,
and only after a half dozen requests does
it start responding normally.

I have checked my error logs, and it shows
timeouts for livecode-server.

I don’t know if livecode is waiting to get
a response from Postresql or not.

The interval between failures varies, so
it is difficult to know how often I have to
tell an automatic application to access the
website in order to keep everything running
correctly.

Ideas?  Suggestions?

Thanks,

Rick



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Re: Html mix with livecode server

[Alex Tweedly via use-livecode]

Short answer  you can use single quotes and double quotes 
interchangeably in HTML (so long as consistently).


So you can do




Second answer: Or, you could mix html + lc, and do




Third answer: Or, for anything more complex like a full website, you 
might want to look at Ralf Bitter's excellent revigniter.com


Alex.


On 11/02/2023 18:05, Paul Richards via use-livecode wrote:

Hi everyone,

I've been using Livecode for a number of years, and have had no issues 
whatsoever - but recently thought I would give Livecode server a go.

Using another webserver, I can do something like this where you can output true 
HTML. This example would check if username/password correct and display an 
error if not .

$
If  lError = true then
Weboutput $

 
 sErrText

$
Endif
Weboutput  $

Trying to replicate this in Livecode server isn't proving as "simple"

I can see we need to use the put command, so tried the following:



but this simple line results in an error "

row 84, col 31: put: preposition must be 'before', 'into' or 'after' (alert)
   row 84, col 31: if: error in command (alert)
   row 84, col 31: script: bad statement (alert)
"
Is there a way of outputting this line in HTML using the put command and without having to manipulate the 
line in true livecode script ie: put "mailto:p...@smarttsoftware.co.uk>
https://smarttsoftware.uk<https://smarttsoftware.uk/>
https://equinox7.com<https://equinox7.com/>
Sales: tel:+44(0)442524
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Html mix with livecode server

[Paul Richards via use-livecode]

Hi everyone,

I've been using Livecode for a number of years, and have had no issues 
whatsoever - but recently thought I would give Livecode server a go.

Using another webserver, I can do something like this where you can output true 
HTML. This example would check if username/password correct and display an 
error if not .

$
If  lError = true then
Weboutput $


sErrText

$
Endif
Weboutput  $

Trying to replicate this in Livecode server isn't proving as "simple"

I can see we need to use the put command, so tried the following:



but this simple line results in an error "

row 84, col 31: put: preposition must be 'before', 'into' or 'after' (alert)
  row 84, col 31: if: error in command (alert)
  row 84, col 31: script: bad statement (alert)
"
Is there a way of outputting this line in HTML using the put command and 
without having to manipulate the line in true livecode script ie: put "mailto:p...@smarttsoftware.co.uk>
https://smarttsoftware.uk<https://smarttsoftware.uk/>
https://equinox7.com<https://equinox7.com/>
Sales: tel:+44(0)442524
sa...@smarttsoftware.co.uk<mailto:sa...@smarttsoftware.co.uk>

PRIVACY AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE

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It may contain information which is covered by legal, professional or other 
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or take any action in respect of this transmission, but please notify our 
system manager by emailing 
supp...@smarttsoftware.co.uk<mailto:supp...@exetermicro.co.uk> and then destroy 
this message.
The Internet cannot guarantee the integrity of this message or any attachments. 
Smartt Software takes all reasonable precautions to ensure that no viruses are 
transmitted with any electronic communications sent by us, however we can 
accept no responsibility for any loss or damage resulting directly or 
indirectly from the use of this E-mail or any contents or attachments.
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No. 02478683 and whose Registered Office is at 64 Fleet Road, Farnborough, GU14 
9RA.

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LiveCode Server Shared Hosting Environment

[Ralph DiMola via use-livecode]

Is there any way without root access to solve the problem of missing
libraries preventing LiveCode server from running in a shared server
environment? I'm getting this error when running the 9.6.6 64 bit server
from the command line.

./livecode-server-pro: /lib64/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.17' not found
(required by ./livecode-server-pro)
./livecode-server-pro: /lib64/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.16' not found
(required by ./livecode-server-pro)
./livecode-server-pro: /lib64/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.14' not found
(required by ./livecode-server-pro)

Thanks in advance!

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net



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Re: Livecode Server on Synology NAS with Intel cpu

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

> Am 22.12.2021 um 21:51 schrieb Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Sorry - my Synology server has an arm processor, and there has never been an 
> arm build of the server. Plus now it appears that the server build requires a 
> separate license.
> 
> I take it you've already been through the docs at
> https://livecode.com/resources/guides/server/

Yes, thanks Mark, i've checked the docs already

Unfortunately the folder structure/ location of the configuration files for 
Apache on the Synology are different to the description in the docs.

Anyway, it took me now the half day to get it working. 
So now LC server is working in the browser and on the command line and LC 
standalones can be run also from command line in ui mode.
That's awesome.
I will create a Livecode lesson for this, so others can get it working much 
quicker.

Matthias


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Re: Livecode Server on Synology NAS with Intel cpu

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 12/21/21 2:54 PM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:

Hi,

is there someone on the list who is using Livecode Server on a Synology NAS 
with Intel cpu? If so, did you manage to get it working also with the webserver 
or only from command line?

Today i installed Livecode Server on my Synology NAS with Intel cpu.
I am able to run Livecode scripts from the command line. But i do not get it to 
work, that i can call LC script from my browser. I tried the .htaccess method 
to get Livecode Server running with Apache without success. I tried also to 
modify the httdp-conf file, but also without success. But that is due to a lack 
of knowledge.

I would be really grateful if someone could help me getting Livecode Server to 
work with Apache and not only from command line.


Sorry - my Synology server has an arm processor, and there has never 
been an arm build of the server. Plus now it appears that the server 
build requires a separate license.


I take it you've already been through the docs at
https://livecode.com/resources/guides/server/

--
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 ahsoftw...@gmail.com

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Some questions about Livecode standalones / Livecode Server on Synology NAS with Intel cpu

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

Hi,

is there someone on the list who is using Livecode Server on a Synology NAS 
with Intel cpu? If so, did you manage to get it working also with the webserver 
or only from command line?

Today i installed Livecode Server on my Synology NAS with Intel cpu.
I am able to run Livecode scripts from the command line. But i do not get it to 
work, that i can call LC script from my browser. I tried the .htaccess method 
to get Livecode Server running with Apache without success. I tried also to 
modify the httdp-conf file, but also without success. But that is due to a lack 
of knowledge.

I would be really grateful if someone could help me getting Livecode Server to 
work with Apache and not only from command line.


Or did someone already create a standalone with LC that could be run on the 
Synology desktop  and not only on the command line?

I am able to run 64but Unix LC standalones from the Commandline with the -ui 
switch. It was even possible to use the Synology scheduler to execute those 
standalones.
Now i am wondering how complicate it would be to package LC standalones to get 
them installed so they can be run with a gui. 

Anyone out there who works with LC standalones / LC server on Synology with 
Intel cpu?

Regards,
Matthias
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Re: Writing file to server with Livecode Server

[Tim Selander via use-livecode]

Of course, right after posting, new ideas come to mind.

Using "put (variable) into URL (server file)" failed, but using 
the old


Open file (server file)
write (variable) to file (server file)
close file  (server file)

still works fine.

Sorry for the disturbance!

Tim Selander
Tokyo, Japan


On 2021.07.09 15:31, Tim Selander via use-livecode wrote:

Hi,

Several years back, I had a POST web form for our company where I
saved responses to a .csv file on the same server and same folder
as the .lc file. (All hosted on on-rev.com)

That page is long gone, but I now need to do the same thing. But
when I try to write the data to the csv file, I get a 405 Error.

I suppose new security rules are behind this, but it's also very
like I am simply making a coding mistake. Is it possible for an
.lc script to write a text file to the same folder it resides in?

Any help appreciated!

Tim Selander
Tokyo, Japan

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Writing file to server with Livecode Server

[Tim Selander via use-livecode]

Hi,

Several years back, I had a POST web form for our company where I 
saved responses to a .csv file on the same server and same folder 
as the .lc file. (All hosted on on-rev.com)


That page is long gone, but I now need to do the same thing. But 
when I try to write the data to the csv file, I get a 405 Error.


I suppose new security rules are behind this, but it's also very 
like I am simply making a coding mistake. Is it possible for an 
.lc script to write a text file to the same folder it resides in?


Any help appreciated!

Tim Selander
Tokyo, Japan

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Re: Considering work with livecode server

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

certain inalienable rights… Ahhh. I love cheese.

Bob S


On Jan 24, 2021, at 9:26 AM, Mark Smith via use-livecode 
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

Thanks for weighing in on this issue Kee. I realize Apple grants unto itself 
certain inalienable rights that are not always (in my opinion) wise, or 
justified (ie. they are open to all sorts of corporate bias and malfeasance) 
but as you say, “them’s the rules” and if you want to play in their sandbox you 
had better abide by them. I presume there is some semblance of common sense at 
Apple, at least I hope so :)

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Re: Considering work with livecode server

[Mark Smith via use-livecode]

Thanks for weighing in on this issue Kee. I realize Apple grants unto itself 
certain inalienable rights that are not always (in my opinion) wise, or 
justified (ie. they are open to all sorts of corporate bias and malfeasance) 
but as you say, “them’s the rules” and if you want to play in their sandbox you 
had better abide by them. I presume there is some semblance of common sense at 
Apple, at least I hope so :)

Mark

> On Jan 24, 2021, at 3:14 PM, kee nethery via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 20, 2021, at 4:20 AM, Mark Smith via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks Kee, but I am a bit puzzled by the restriction.
>> 
>> That would require complicity from the businesses, which if reputable would 
>> be a stretch, no?
> 
> There is a significantly large number of certified developers. I personally 
> have three developer accounts for three separate efforts. If I was willing, I 
> could risk burning one of those accounts. Not that I’m going to do so, just 
> saying, yes, the business amd the developer would have to be in on it. 
> 
>> For example, if I had an app that linked to course selections on University 
>> websites, are they going to suggest that these could be portals to pedophile 
>> shopping sites by entering a secret pass phrase? By the sounds of it, please 
>> correct me if I am wrong, no iStore app can link to a website for content 
>> regardless of the status of the organization that stands behind the site? 
>> H, I still have a lot to learn in this space. 
> 
> Just saying that you need to really read the published rules and follow them. 
> When there is an exception needed, you need to really sell your case to Apple 
> and they might go for it, but assume they won’t. Not all app ideas can be 
> apps.
> 
>> 
>> Are there any links available to guidelines that describe these limitations?
> 
> Apple developer site makes you agree to their terms and conditions. Thats 
> what you want to reread with a very critical ete.
> 
> Kee
> 
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Mark
>> 
>>> On Jan 20, 2021, at 4:25 AM, kee nethery via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> An app to web content is a mystery app. Your restaurant review app that 
>>> pulls from the web could easily be transformed into a pedophile shopping 
>>> app by entering a secret pass phrase and then changing the data on the web 
>>> site. (as an extreme example)
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Re: Considering work with livecode server

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> On Jan 20, 2021, at 4:20 AM, Mark Smith via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Kee, but I am a bit puzzled by the restriction.
> 
> That would require complicity from the businesses, which if reputable would 
> be a stretch, no?

There is a significantly large number of certified developers. I personally 
have three developer accounts for three separate efforts. If I was willing, I 
could risk burning one of those accounts. Not that I’m going to do so, just 
saying, yes, the business amd the developer would have to be in on it. 

> For example, if I had an app that linked to course selections on University 
> websites, are they going to suggest that these could be portals to pedophile 
> shopping sites by entering a secret pass phrase? By the sounds of it, please 
> correct me if I am wrong, no iStore app can link to a website for content 
> regardless of the status of the organization that stands behind the site? 
> H, I still have a lot to learn in this space. 

Just saying that you need to really read the published rules and follow them. 
When there is an exception needed, you need to really sell your case to Apple 
and they might go for it, but assume they won’t. Not all app ideas can be apps.

> 
> Are there any links available to guidelines that describe these limitations?

Apple developer site makes you agree to their terms and conditions. Thats what 
you want to reread with a very critical ete.

Kee

> 
> Thanks
> Mark
> 
>> On Jan 20, 2021, at 4:25 AM, kee nethery via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> An app to web content is a mystery app. Your restaurant review app that 
>> pulls from the web could easily be transformed into a pedophile shopping app 
>> by entering a secret pass phrase and then changing the data on the web site. 
>> (as an extreme example)
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Re: Considering work with livecode server

[ELS Prothero via use-livecode]

Andre,
You are probably correct. 

Thanks to all of you who have responded to my question about deployment on the 
web.

Best,
Bill

William Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org

> On Jan 20, 2021, at 8:22 AM, Andre Garzia  wrote:
> 
> 
> Bill,
> 
> :-) that topic is too large for a book to be honest.
> 
> What I recommend is actually building a desktop standalone. Forget the web 
> for that app, push for an app.
> 
> Best
> A
> 
>> On Wed, 20 Jan 2021 at 16:20, ELS Prothero 
>>  wrote:
>> Thank you, Andre, for you wisdom. What I take from your comments is if I 
>> want to develop dynamic interactive web based apps with Livecode, I should 
>> get up to speed on JavaScript and will need to either use Livecode to 
>> generate html5, compiled with webAssembly, or find another platform to 
>> develop the software.
>> 
>> Perhaps this topic is an idea for a short book (hint, hint).
>> 
>> Best,
>> Bill
>> 
>> William Prothero
>> http://es.earthednet.org
>> 
>> > On Jan 20, 2021, at 8:03 AM, Andre Garzia via use-livecode 
>> >  wrote:
>> > 
>> > WebAssembly (aka WASM) is not a silver bullet. It is not something like
>> > "you compile to WebAssembly and then PROFIT".
>> > 
>> > WebAssembly and ASM.js (which is what the current HTML5 LC Runtime uses)
>> > are very similar. The advantages of WASM is that it is a lot smaller –
>> > since it is bytecode and not strings in source code – than ASM.js, also, it
>> > can be streamed so you can start loading it in the VM before it finishes
>> > transferring. Given the same source code in WASM and ASM.js, the WASM one
>> > will transfer and load faster, but that is it. One of the main objectives
>> > of WASM was to reduce latency between the beginning of the load action and
>> > having something running.
>> > 
>> > WASM backends have been integrated in many languages – mostly notable LLVM
>> > – which means that is somewhat doable to compile C/C++ code to WASM. That
>> > doesn't mean that all libraries work. WASM has no graphics part. It deals
>> > with memory and integers (floats?). It doesn't even have a string type. It
>> > is basically a small assembly language to be targeted by compilers.
>> > 
>> > Apps made with WASM do not work with just 100% WASM. You always need JS.
>> > JavaScript is the glue that links DOM, events, and WASM. What you usually
>> > do is have a bunch of JS and then speed up some parts of that code with
>> > WASM. WASM can't touch the DOM, WASM can't handle input events. JS and WASM
>> > are built to complement each other.
>> > 
>> > Most languages targeting WebAssembly deployments have their own "JS
>> > Standard library toolkit" so that when you compile, you end up with a
>> > combination of WASM and JS files (maybe even HTML).
>> > 
>> > The benefit for LC would be a smaller runtime and faster loading, both are
>> > great.
>> > 
>> > Just don't believe it is something magical like we were promised in the 90s
>> > with Java Applets that you'd compile your Java App and it would magically
>> > load on the Web. That is not how this works.
>> > 
>> > If you want to learn more about WebAssembly go to the learning area of MDN
>> > WebDocs:
>> > https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/WebAssembly/Concepts#what_is_webassembly
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> >> On Wed, 20 Jan 2021 at 15:53, Andre Garzia  wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> So,
>> >> 
>> >> Displaying bundled content only (or mostly) allows Apple's static analysis
>> >> tools to take a look at your app. They can also identify outgoing
>> >> connections, so they know if you are opening remote pages. If all you do 
>> >> is
>> >> display local content, and there is no outgoing connections, then security
>> >> analysis of your app is easier (also, it works offline from the start 
>> >> which
>> >> is good). This is not an infalible system, but it works for the average
>> >> case.
>> >> 
>> >> As for having an app, that displays external webpages which allow you to
>> >> buy stuff might be a violation of Apple TOS. That is why you don't buy
>> >> Kindle books on the Kindle app on iOS. Amazon doesn't want to give Apple a
>> >> cut. An app that advertises itself as a browser has more leeway with this
>> >> than others. For example it is OK for Mozilla to ship "Firefox" (not 
>> >> really
>> >> Firefox, more like mozSafari) in iOS even though you can open web pages 
>> >> and
>> >> buy stuff with it. It is not OK for you to create an app that opens your
>> >> webstore and sells stuff.
>> >> 
>> >> I'll write another message about WebAssembly...
>> >> 
>> >> On Wed, 20 Jan 2021 at 12:22, Mark Smith via use-livecode <
>> >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >> 
>> >>> Thanks Kee, but I am a bit puzzled by the restriction.
>> >>> 
>> >>> That would require complicity from the businesses, which if reputable
>> >>> would be a stretch, no? For example, if I had an app that linked to 
>> >>> course
>> >>> selections on University websites, are they going to suggest that these
>> >>> could be portals to pedophile shopping 

Re: Considering work with livecode server

[Andre Garzia via use-livecode]

Bill,

:-) that topic is too large for a book to be honest.

What I recommend is actually building a desktop standalone. Forget the web
for that app, push for an app.

Best
A

On Wed, 20 Jan 2021 at 16:20, ELS Prothero <
proth...@earthlearningsolutions.org> wrote:

> Thank you, Andre, for you wisdom. What I take from your comments is if I
> want to develop dynamic interactive web based apps with Livecode, I should
> get up to speed on JavaScript and will need to either use Livecode to
> generate html5, compiled with webAssembly, or find another platform to
> develop the software.
>
> Perhaps this topic is an idea for a short book (hint, hint).
>
> Best,
> Bill
>
> William Prothero
> http://es.earthednet.org
>
> > On Jan 20, 2021, at 8:03 AM, Andre Garzia via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > WebAssembly (aka WASM) is not a silver bullet. It is not something like
> > "you compile to WebAssembly and then PROFIT".
> >
> > WebAssembly and ASM.js (which is what the current HTML5 LC Runtime uses)
> > are very similar. The advantages of WASM is that it is a lot smaller –
> > since it is bytecode and not strings in source code – than ASM.js, also,
> it
> > can be streamed so you can start loading it in the VM before it finishes
> > transferring. Given the same source code in WASM and ASM.js, the WASM one
> > will transfer and load faster, but that is it. One of the main objectives
> > of WASM was to reduce latency between the beginning of the load action
> and
> > having something running.
> >
> > WASM backends have been integrated in many languages – mostly notable
> LLVM
> > – which means that is somewhat doable to compile C/C++ code to WASM. That
> > doesn't mean that all libraries work. WASM has no graphics part. It deals
> > with memory and integers (floats?). It doesn't even have a string type.
> It
> > is basically a small assembly language to be targeted by compilers.
> >
> > Apps made with WASM do not work with just 100% WASM. You always need JS.
> > JavaScript is the glue that links DOM, events, and WASM. What you usually
> > do is have a bunch of JS and then speed up some parts of that code with
> > WASM. WASM can't touch the DOM, WASM can't handle input events. JS and
> WASM
> > are built to complement each other.
> >
> > Most languages targeting WebAssembly deployments have their own "JS
> > Standard library toolkit" so that when you compile, you end up with a
> > combination of WASM and JS files (maybe even HTML).
> >
> > The benefit for LC would be a smaller runtime and faster loading, both
> are
> > great.
> >
> > Just don't believe it is something magical like we were promised in the
> 90s
> > with Java Applets that you'd compile your Java App and it would magically
> > load on the Web. That is not how this works.
> >
> > If you want to learn more about WebAssembly go to the learning area of
> MDN
> > WebDocs:
> >
> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/WebAssembly/Concepts#what_is_webassembly
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Wed, 20 Jan 2021 at 15:53, Andre Garzia 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> So,
> >>
> >> Displaying bundled content only (or mostly) allows Apple's static
> analysis
> >> tools to take a look at your app. They can also identify outgoing
> >> connections, so they know if you are opening remote pages. If all you
> do is
> >> display local content, and there is no outgoing connections, then
> security
> >> analysis of your app is easier (also, it works offline from the start
> which
> >> is good). This is not an infalible system, but it works for the average
> >> case.
> >>
> >> As for having an app, that displays external webpages which allow you to
> >> buy stuff might be a violation of Apple TOS. That is why you don't buy
> >> Kindle books on the Kindle app on iOS. Amazon doesn't want to give
> Apple a
> >> cut. An app that advertises itself as a browser has more leeway with
> this
> >> than others. For example it is OK for Mozilla to ship "Firefox" (not
> really
> >> Firefox, more like mozSafari) in iOS even though you can open web pages
> and
> >> buy stuff with it. It is not OK for you to create an app that opens your
> >> webstore and sells stuff.
> >>
> >> I'll write another message about WebAssembly...
> >>
> >> On Wed, 20 Jan 2021 at 12:22, Mark Smith via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Thanks Kee, but I am a bit puzzled by the restriction.
> >>>
> >>> That would require complicity from the businesses, which if reputable
> >>> would be a stretch, no? For example, if I had an app that linked to
> course
> >>> selections on University websites, are they going to suggest that these
> >>> could be portals to pedophile shopping sites by entering a secret pass
> >>> phrase? By the sounds of it, please correct me if I am wrong, no
> iStore app
> >>> can link to a website for content regardless of the status of the
> >>> organization that stands behind the site? H, I still have a lot to
> >>> learn in this space.
> >>>
> >>> Are 

Re: Considering work with livecode server

[ELS Prothero via use-livecode]

Thank you, Andre, for you wisdom. What I take from your comments is if I want 
to develop dynamic interactive web based apps with Livecode, I should get up to 
speed on JavaScript and will need to either use Livecode to generate html5, 
compiled with webAssembly, or find another platform to develop the software.

Perhaps this topic is an idea for a short book (hint, hint).

Best,
Bill

William Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org

> On Jan 20, 2021, at 8:03 AM, Andre Garzia via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> WebAssembly (aka WASM) is not a silver bullet. It is not something like
> "you compile to WebAssembly and then PROFIT".
> 
> WebAssembly and ASM.js (which is what the current HTML5 LC Runtime uses)
> are very similar. The advantages of WASM is that it is a lot smaller –
> since it is bytecode and not strings in source code – than ASM.js, also, it
> can be streamed so you can start loading it in the VM before it finishes
> transferring. Given the same source code in WASM and ASM.js, the WASM one
> will transfer and load faster, but that is it. One of the main objectives
> of WASM was to reduce latency between the beginning of the load action and
> having something running.
> 
> WASM backends have been integrated in many languages – mostly notable LLVM
> – which means that is somewhat doable to compile C/C++ code to WASM. That
> doesn't mean that all libraries work. WASM has no graphics part. It deals
> with memory and integers (floats?). It doesn't even have a string type. It
> is basically a small assembly language to be targeted by compilers.
> 
> Apps made with WASM do not work with just 100% WASM. You always need JS.
> JavaScript is the glue that links DOM, events, and WASM. What you usually
> do is have a bunch of JS and then speed up some parts of that code with
> WASM. WASM can't touch the DOM, WASM can't handle input events. JS and WASM
> are built to complement each other.
> 
> Most languages targeting WebAssembly deployments have their own "JS
> Standard library toolkit" so that when you compile, you end up with a
> combination of WASM and JS files (maybe even HTML).
> 
> The benefit for LC would be a smaller runtime and faster loading, both are
> great.
> 
> Just don't believe it is something magical like we were promised in the 90s
> with Java Applets that you'd compile your Java App and it would magically
> load on the Web. That is not how this works.
> 
> If you want to learn more about WebAssembly go to the learning area of MDN
> WebDocs:
> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/WebAssembly/Concepts#what_is_webassembly
> 
> 
> 
>> On Wed, 20 Jan 2021 at 15:53, Andre Garzia  wrote:
>> 
>> So,
>> 
>> Displaying bundled content only (or mostly) allows Apple's static analysis
>> tools to take a look at your app. They can also identify outgoing
>> connections, so they know if you are opening remote pages. If all you do is
>> display local content, and there is no outgoing connections, then security
>> analysis of your app is easier (also, it works offline from the start which
>> is good). This is not an infalible system, but it works for the average
>> case.
>> 
>> As for having an app, that displays external webpages which allow you to
>> buy stuff might be a violation of Apple TOS. That is why you don't buy
>> Kindle books on the Kindle app on iOS. Amazon doesn't want to give Apple a
>> cut. An app that advertises itself as a browser has more leeway with this
>> than others. For example it is OK for Mozilla to ship "Firefox" (not really
>> Firefox, more like mozSafari) in iOS even though you can open web pages and
>> buy stuff with it. It is not OK for you to create an app that opens your
>> webstore and sells stuff.
>> 
>> I'll write another message about WebAssembly...
>> 
>> On Wed, 20 Jan 2021 at 12:22, Mark Smith via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks Kee, but I am a bit puzzled by the restriction.
>>> 
>>> That would require complicity from the businesses, which if reputable
>>> would be a stretch, no? For example, if I had an app that linked to course
>>> selections on University websites, are they going to suggest that these
>>> could be portals to pedophile shopping sites by entering a secret pass
>>> phrase? By the sounds of it, please correct me if I am wrong, no iStore app
>>> can link to a website for content regardless of the status of the
>>> organization that stands behind the site? H, I still have a lot to
>>> learn in this space.
>>> 
>>> Are there any links available to guidelines that describe these
>>> limitations?
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> Mark
>>> 
 On Jan 20, 2021, at 4:25 AM, kee nethery via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
 
 An app to web content is a mystery app. Your restaurant review app that
>>> pulls from the web could easily be transformed into a pedophile shopping
>>> app by entering a secret pass phrase and then changing the data on the web
>>> site. (as an extreme example)
>>> 
>>> 

Re: Considering work with livecode server

[Andre Garzia via use-livecode]

WebAssembly (aka WASM) is not a silver bullet. It is not something like
"you compile to WebAssembly and then PROFIT".

WebAssembly and ASM.js (which is what the current HTML5 LC Runtime uses)
are very similar. The advantages of WASM is that it is a lot smaller –
since it is bytecode and not strings in source code – than ASM.js, also, it
can be streamed so you can start loading it in the VM before it finishes
transferring. Given the same source code in WASM and ASM.js, the WASM one
will transfer and load faster, but that is it. One of the main objectives
of WASM was to reduce latency between the beginning of the load action and
having something running.

WASM backends have been integrated in many languages – mostly notable LLVM
– which means that is somewhat doable to compile C/C++ code to WASM. That
doesn't mean that all libraries work. WASM has no graphics part. It deals
with memory and integers (floats?). It doesn't even have a string type. It
is basically a small assembly language to be targeted by compilers.

Apps made with WASM do not work with just 100% WASM. You always need JS.
JavaScript is the glue that links DOM, events, and WASM. What you usually
do is have a bunch of JS and then speed up some parts of that code with
WASM. WASM can't touch the DOM, WASM can't handle input events. JS and WASM
are built to complement each other.

Most languages targeting WebAssembly deployments have their own "JS
Standard library toolkit" so that when you compile, you end up with a
combination of WASM and JS files (maybe even HTML).

The benefit for LC would be a smaller runtime and faster loading, both are
great.

Just don't believe it is something magical like we were promised in the 90s
with Java Applets that you'd compile your Java App and it would magically
load on the Web. That is not how this works.

If you want to learn more about WebAssembly go to the learning area of MDN
WebDocs:
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/WebAssembly/Concepts#what_is_webassembly



On Wed, 20 Jan 2021 at 15:53, Andre Garzia  wrote:

> So,
>
> Displaying bundled content only (or mostly) allows Apple's static analysis
> tools to take a look at your app. They can also identify outgoing
> connections, so they know if you are opening remote pages. If all you do is
> display local content, and there is no outgoing connections, then security
> analysis of your app is easier (also, it works offline from the start which
> is good). This is not an infalible system, but it works for the average
> case.
>
> As for having an app, that displays external webpages which allow you to
> buy stuff might be a violation of Apple TOS. That is why you don't buy
> Kindle books on the Kindle app on iOS. Amazon doesn't want to give Apple a
> cut. An app that advertises itself as a browser has more leeway with this
> than others. For example it is OK for Mozilla to ship "Firefox" (not really
> Firefox, more like mozSafari) in iOS even though you can open web pages and
> buy stuff with it. It is not OK for you to create an app that opens your
> webstore and sells stuff.
>
> I'll write another message about WebAssembly...
>
> On Wed, 20 Jan 2021 at 12:22, Mark Smith via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Kee, but I am a bit puzzled by the restriction.
>>
>> That would require complicity from the businesses, which if reputable
>> would be a stretch, no? For example, if I had an app that linked to course
>> selections on University websites, are they going to suggest that these
>> could be portals to pedophile shopping sites by entering a secret pass
>> phrase? By the sounds of it, please correct me if I am wrong, no iStore app
>> can link to a website for content regardless of the status of the
>> organization that stands behind the site? H, I still have a lot to
>> learn in this space.
>>
>> Are there any links available to guidelines that describe these
>> limitations?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Mark
>>
>> > On Jan 20, 2021, at 4:25 AM, kee nethery via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > An app to web content is a mystery app. Your restaurant review app that
>> pulls from the web could easily be transformed into a pedophile shopping
>> app by entering a secret pass phrase and then changing the data on the web
>> site. (as an extreme example)
>>
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Re: Considering work with livecode server

[Andre Garzia via use-livecode]

So,

Displaying bundled content only (or mostly) allows Apple's static analysis
tools to take a look at your app. They can also identify outgoing
connections, so they know if you are opening remote pages. If all you do is
display local content, and there is no outgoing connections, then security
analysis of your app is easier (also, it works offline from the start which
is good). This is not an infalible system, but it works for the average
case.

As for having an app, that displays external webpages which allow you to
buy stuff might be a violation of Apple TOS. That is why you don't buy
Kindle books on the Kindle app on iOS. Amazon doesn't want to give Apple a
cut. An app that advertises itself as a browser has more leeway with this
than others. For example it is OK for Mozilla to ship "Firefox" (not really
Firefox, more like mozSafari) in iOS even though you can open web pages and
buy stuff with it. It is not OK for you to create an app that opens your
webstore and sells stuff.

I'll write another message about WebAssembly...

On Wed, 20 Jan 2021 at 12:22, Mark Smith via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Thanks Kee, but I am a bit puzzled by the restriction.
>
> That would require complicity from the businesses, which if reputable
> would be a stretch, no? For example, if I had an app that linked to course
> selections on University websites, are they going to suggest that these
> could be portals to pedophile shopping sites by entering a secret pass
> phrase? By the sounds of it, please correct me if I am wrong, no iStore app
> can link to a website for content regardless of the status of the
> organization that stands behind the site? H, I still have a lot to
> learn in this space.
>
> Are there any links available to guidelines that describe these
> limitations?
>
> Thanks
> Mark
>
> > On Jan 20, 2021, at 4:25 AM, kee nethery via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > An app to web content is a mystery app. Your restaurant review app that
> pulls from the web could easily be transformed into a pedophile shopping
> app by entering a secret pass phrase and then changing the data on the web
> site. (as an extreme example)
>
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Re: Considering work with livecode server

[Andrew at MidWest Coast Media via use-livecode]

> Thanks Kee, but I am a bit puzzled by the restriction.
> 
> That would require complicity from the businesses, which if reputable would 
> be a stretch, no? For example, if I had an app that linked to course 
> selections on University websites, are they going to suggest that these could 
> be portals to pedophile shopping sites by entering a secret pass phrase? By 
> the sounds of it, please correct me if I am wrong, no iStore app can link to 
> a website for content regardless of the status of the organization that 
> stands behind the site? H, I still have a lot to learn in this space. 
> 
> Are there any links available to guidelines that describe these limitations?

The guidelines don’t matter much because you’re at the mercy of whatever tester 
get’s your build to approve: it seems to be very subjective by reviewer. What I 
have found is that you can have some website stuff, but you need some mobile 
app specific features as well (push notifications, location services, etc.). It 
has also been my experience that “leading” with the web content isn’t as 
successful as opening with some static content. YMMV

Last week I got a brand new app approved (for TestFlight, not fully released 
yet but is the same approval process) for a University that contains a web 
viewer. This is only 1 of half a dozen cards in the app, and goes directly to a 
mobile landing page for a particular department. You are free to click around 
and visit the site, but you can’t manually enter a URL into a field and visit 
that site you are “stuck” with whatever links we provide. Since this isn’t the 
main focus, and is fairly contained, I had no worries about this being an issue 
(and it wasn’t). If you message me off-list with your AppleID, I’d be happy to 
add to TestFlight so you can see what I’m talking about.

But I have had apps with services that were “coming soon” so to start there was 
some bare bones content and a few browser widgets going to specific pages on a 
business website: this got rejected due to Apple’s 4.2 Minimum Functionality 
clause. After rushing to add a feature or two, and make sure those cards were 
the first to appear rather than the browser widget, got the barebones project 
approved. (A year later, the client still hasn’t paid to finish the project so 
it’s still sitting in the App Store at v0.4.03)

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Re: Considering work with livecode server

[Mark Smith via use-livecode]

Thanks Kee, but I am a bit puzzled by the restriction.

That would require complicity from the businesses, which if reputable would be 
a stretch, no? For example, if I had an app that linked to course selections on 
University websites, are they going to suggest that these could be portals to 
pedophile shopping sites by entering a secret pass phrase? By the sounds of it, 
please correct me if I am wrong, no iStore app can link to a website for 
content regardless of the status of the organization that stands behind the 
site? H, I still have a lot to learn in this space. 

Are there any links available to guidelines that describe these limitations?

Thanks
Mark

> On Jan 20, 2021, at 4:25 AM, kee nethery via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> An app to web content is a mystery app. Your restaurant review app that pulls 
> from the web could easily be transformed into a pedophile shopping app by 
> entering a secret pass phrase and then changing the data on the web site. (as 
> an extreme example)

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RE: Considering work with livecode server

[Paul Richards via use-livecode]

This looks to be marked against  9.7.0 DP1.  You can track it's progress on 
GitHub.  

https://github.com/livecode/livecode/pull/7330  



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Subject: Re: Considering work with livecode server

Hmmm…. I see:
"Add WebAssembly build target in HTML5 deployment”, in the"team is working on 
right now” category. I guess, given all the delays and getting HTML5 up, I 
won’t hold my breath. But, I’ll certainly be watching for it. Gaads, another 
subscription to purchase. But getting real livecode dynamic features on the web 
would be a game-changer for me. 

Best,
Bill

> On Jan 19, 2021, at 12:50 PM, William de Smet via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> WebAssembly is on the roadmap.
> https://livecode.com/resources/roadmap/
> 
> 
> 
>> Op 19 jan. 2021 om 20:43 heeft William Prothero via use-livecode 
>>  het volgende geschreven:
>> 
>> Dan:
>> I just did a bit of Googling and wow! It sounds like a capability to compile 
>> to WebAssembly would put LiveCode in the big time. I wonder if there is any 
>> interest from the dev team. Sounds much more useful than HTML5.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Bill
>> 
>>> On Jan 19, 2021, at 11:13 AM, Dan Brown  wrote:
>>> 
>>> When livecode supports WebAssembly as a build target you'll be able to do 
>>> what you've asked
>>> 
>>> On Tue, 19 Jan 2021, 20:46 William Prothero via use-livecode, 
>>> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> Thanks, all, for your comments. It would sure be nice if there was some 
>>> equivalent to shockwave, back in the days. Of course, downloadable plug-ins 
>>> like shockwave and flash apparently have too many security issues and are 
>>> not allowed anymore. 
>>> 
>>> HTML5 eventually? I assume HTML5 apps would run in a browser.
>>> 
>>> Thanks again,
>>> Bill
>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 19, 2021, at 8:57 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>>>>> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> If only!
>>>> 
>>>> Bob S
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 19, 2021, at 5:56 AM, Andre Garzia via use-livecode 
>>>>> >>>> <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com><mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
>>>>>  <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> A website from 1995
>>>> needs to be just as valid to the browser as one from 2021.
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Re: Considering work with livecode server

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kee nethery wrote:

> On Jan 19, 2021, at 7:58 AM, Mark Smith wrote:
>>
>> Hi Andre, how are “apps to bundled content” different from “apps that
>> are portals to web content" (Jacque’s description)? Or put another
>> way, if someone wanted to design a tourist app that highlighted
>> interesting local tourist destinations near them with a link you can
>> click on to purchase tickets or book reservations etc, would that
>> violate Apple’s guidelines? Asking for a friend :)
>
> Pick me! I know this one!
>
> An app to bundled content means that they can review everything that
> is going to get displayed to a user and approve or deny based upon the
> content they review.
>
> An app to web content is a mystery app. Your restaurant review app
> that pulls from the web could easily be transformed into a pedophile
> shopping app by entering a secret pass phrase and then changing the
> data on the web site. (as an extreme example)

Any data can be replaced with porn or other contraband.

Any app can transform itself at a later date into something other than 
what was reviewed.


Neither can be prevented.

Both are remedied with banning.

This is not unique to LiveCode; it applies to all apps.

So don't do that, in any language.

I've seen no restrictions on specific binary formats. Stack files, 
spreadsheets, interactive books -- all variants of the same thing.


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Re: Considering work with livecode server

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

William Prothero wrote:

> It would sure be nice if there was some equivalent to shockwave...

For all practical purposes we do:

The Shockwave plugin was an executable engine you could download and 
install once, and then play a wide range of scripted interactive media 
with it.


A LiveCode standalone is an executable engine you can download and 
install once, and then play a wide range of scripted interactive media 
with it.


The differences are that Shockwave was confined to the limitations of a 
browser window. And that it no longer exists.


LiveCode lives outside the confines of a browser window, allowing full 
desktop integration (cache control, document associations, etc.). And 
LiveCode exists. :)


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Re: Considering work with livecode server

[kee nethery via use-livecode]

> On Jan 19, 2021, at 7:58 AM, Mark Smith via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Andre, how are “apps to bundled content” different from “apps that are 
> portals to web content" (Jacque’s description)? Or put another way, if 
> someone wanted to design a tourist app that highlighted interesting local 
> tourist destinations near them with a link you can click on to purchase 
> tickets or book reservations etc, would that violate Apple’s guidelines? 
> Asking for a friend :)
> 
> Cheers,
> Mark

Pick me! I know this one!

An app to bundled content means that they can review everything that is going 
to get displayed to a user and approve or deny based upon the content they 
review.

An app to web content is a mystery app. Your restaurant review app that pulls 
from the web could easily be transformed into a pedophile shopping app by 
entering a secret pass phrase and then changing the data on the web site. (as 
an extreme example)

Kee Nethery
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Re: Considering work with livecode server

[William Prothero via use-livecode]

Hmmm…. I see:
"Add WebAssembly build target in HTML5 deployment”, in the"team is working on 
right now” category. I guess, given all the delays and getting HTML5 up, I 
won’t hold my breath. But, I’ll certainly be watching for it. Gaads, another 
subscription to purchase. But getting real livecode dynamic features on the web 
would be a game-changer for me. 

Best,
Bill

> On Jan 19, 2021, at 12:50 PM, William de Smet via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> WebAssembly is on the roadmap.
> https://livecode.com/resources/roadmap/
> 
> 
> 
>> Op 19 jan. 2021 om 20:43 heeft William Prothero via use-livecode 
>>  het volgende geschreven:
>> 
>> Dan:
>> I just did a bit of Googling and wow! It sounds like a capability to compile 
>> to WebAssembly would put LiveCode in the big time. I wonder if there is any 
>> interest from the dev team. Sounds much more useful than HTML5.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Bill
>> 
>>> On Jan 19, 2021, at 11:13 AM, Dan Brown  wrote:
>>> 
>>> When livecode supports WebAssembly as a build target you'll be able to do 
>>> what you've asked
>>> 
>>> On Tue, 19 Jan 2021, 20:46 William Prothero via use-livecode, 
>>> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> Thanks, all, for your comments. It would sure be nice if there was some 
>>> equivalent to shockwave, back in the days. Of course, downloadable plug-ins 
>>> like shockwave and flash apparently have too many security issues and are 
>>> not allowed anymore. 
>>> 
>>> HTML5 eventually? I assume HTML5 apps would run in a browser.
>>> 
>>> Thanks again,
>>> Bill
>>> 
> On Jan 19, 2021, at 8:57 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> 
> wrote:
 
 If only!
 
 Bob S
 
 
> On Jan 19, 2021, at 5:56 AM, Andre Garzia via use-livecode 
>    >> wrote:
 
 A website from 1995
 needs to be just as valid to the browser as one from 2021.
 
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Re: Considering work with livecode server

[William de Smet via use-livecode]

WebAssembly is on the roadmap.
https://livecode.com/resources/roadmap/



> Op 19 jan. 2021 om 20:43 heeft William Prothero via use-livecode 
>  het volgende geschreven:
> 
> Dan:
> I just did a bit of Googling and wow! It sounds like a capability to compile 
> to WebAssembly would put LiveCode in the big time. I wonder if there is any 
> interest from the dev team. Sounds much more useful than HTML5.
> 
> Best,
> Bill
> 
>> On Jan 19, 2021, at 11:13 AM, Dan Brown  wrote:
>> 
>> When livecode supports WebAssembly as a build target you'll be able to do 
>> what you've asked
>> 
>> On Tue, 19 Jan 2021, 20:46 William Prothero via use-livecode, 
>> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
>> Thanks, all, for your comments. It would sure be nice if there was some 
>> equivalent to shockwave, back in the days. Of course, downloadable plug-ins 
>> like shockwave and flash apparently have too many security issues and are 
>> not allowed anymore. 
>> 
>> HTML5 eventually? I assume HTML5 apps would run in a browser.
>> 
>> Thanks again,
>> Bill
>> 
 On Jan 19, 2021, at 8:57 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
 mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> 
 wrote:
>>> 
>>> If only!
>>> 
>>> Bob S
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jan 19, 2021, at 5:56 AM, Andre Garzia via use-livecode 
 >>> >> wrote:
>>> 
>>> A website from 1995
>>> needs to be just as valid to the browser as one from 2021.
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Re: Considering work with livecode server

[William Prothero via use-livecode]

Dan:
I just did a bit of Googling and wow! It sounds like a capability to compile to 
WebAssembly would put LiveCode in the big time. I wonder if there is any 
interest from the dev team. Sounds much more useful than HTML5.

Best,
Bill

> On Jan 19, 2021, at 11:13 AM, Dan Brown  wrote:
> 
> When livecode supports WebAssembly as a build target you'll be able to do 
> what you've asked
> 
> On Tue, 19 Jan 2021, 20:46 William Prothero via use-livecode, 
> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
> Thanks, all, for your comments. It would sure be nice if there was some 
> equivalent to shockwave, back in the days. Of course, downloadable plug-ins 
> like shockwave and flash apparently have too many security issues and are not 
> allowed anymore. 
> 
> HTML5 eventually? I assume HTML5 apps would run in a browser.
> 
> Thanks again,
> Bill
> 
> > On Jan 19, 2021, at 8:57 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
> > mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > If only!
> > 
> > Bob S
> > 
> > 
> > On Jan 19, 2021, at 5:56 AM, Andre Garzia via use-livecode 
> >  >  > >> wrote:
> > 
> > A website from 1995
> > needs to be just as valid to the browser as one from 2021.
> > 
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Re: Considering work with livecode server

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When livecode supports WebAssembly as a build target you'll be able to do
what you've asked

On Tue, 19 Jan 2021, 20:46 William Prothero via use-livecode, <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Thanks, all, for your comments. It would sure be nice if there was some
> equivalent to shockwave, back in the days. Of course, downloadable plug-ins
> like shockwave and flash apparently have too many security issues and are
> not allowed anymore.
>
> HTML5 eventually? I assume HTML5 apps would run in a browser.
>
> Thanks again,
> Bill
>
> > On Jan 19, 2021, at 8:57 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > If only!
> >
> > Bob S
> >
> >
> > On Jan 19, 2021, at 5:56 AM, Andre Garzia via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > A website from 1995
> > needs to be just as valid to the browser as one from 2021.
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Re: Considering work with livecode server

[William Prothero via use-livecode]

Thanks, all, for your comments. It would sure be nice if there was some 
equivalent to shockwave, back in the days. Of course, downloadable plug-ins 
like shockwave and flash apparently have too many security issues and are not 
allowed anymore. 

HTML5 eventually? I assume HTML5 apps would run in a browser.

Thanks again,
Bill

> On Jan 19, 2021, at 8:57 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> If only!
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
> On Jan 19, 2021, at 5:56 AM, Andre Garzia via use-livecode 
> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
> 
> A website from 1995
> needs to be just as valid to the browser as one from 2021.
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Re: Considering work with livecode server

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If only!

Bob S


On Jan 19, 2021, at 5:56 AM, Andre Garzia via use-livecode 
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

A website from 1995
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Re: Considering work with livecode server

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Hi Andre, how are “apps to bundled content” different from “apps that are 
portals to web content" (Jacque’s description)? Or put another way, if someone 
wanted to design a tourist app that highlighted interesting local tourist 
destinations near them with a link you can click on to purchase tickets or book 
reservations etc, would that violate Apple’s guidelines? Asking for a friend :)

Cheers,
Mark

> On Jan 19, 2021, at 1:49 PM, Andre Garzia via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> But apps that are browsers to bundled content are OK. That is how you get
> Apache Cordova and Phonegap to work.
> 
> On Tue, 19 Jan 2021 at 02:06, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 1/18/21 2:20 PM, William Prothero via use-livecode wrote:
>> 
>>> Building a single web-based app that avoids the world of all the mobile
>> apps and desktop idiosyncrasies is attractive.
>> 
>> I thought mobile stores (Apple, etc) explicitly disallowed apps that
>> were essentially just web browsers to external content.
>> 
>> Am I wrong about this?
>> 
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Re: Considering work with livecode server

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Andre Garzia wrote:

> But apps that are browsers to bundled content are OK. That is how you
> get Apache Cordova and Phonegap to work.
>
> On Tue, 19 Jan 2021 at 02:06, Mark Wieder wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/18/21 2:20 PM, William Prothero via use-livecode wrote:
>>> Building a single web-based app that avoids the world of all
>> the mobile apps and desktop idiosyncrasies is attractive.
>>
>> I thought mobile stores (Apple, etc) explicitly disallowed apps that
>> were essentially just web browsers to external content.

Roger that, Andre. Apple's emphasis has to do with the user experience, 
rather than the technical means by which that experience is derived.


What they want to avoid is an app that could just as easily have been a 
web site.  It's one of the few areas in which Apple (or any of the Big 
Five) support the Open Web.


Indeed, even in their most draconian moment, the 
infamous-and-ultimately-backpedaled debacle with iOS SDK v4,0 Section 
3.3.1 mess of 2010, they explicitly blessed JavaScript frameworks as a 
tech stack for deploying native iOS apps.


In this case here, I believe Bill was looking to bypass self-appointed 
gatekeepers altogether, using "web app" to refer to the Open Web, beyond 
the control of FAANG.


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Re: Considering work with livecode server

[Andre Garzia via use-livecode]

Bill,

Let me second what Richard said, you'd be better served by building desktop
stack apps than by building web apps. There is no silver bullet for doing
web work, there is no magical technology that makes it as easy as LC. The
Web is a design by committee with various multi-billion companies doing
power plays around it. To be effective on the web, you need to learn HTML,
CSS, and JS. You don't need to be an expert, but you need to learn up to
some intermediate level to do the kind of interactions you are talking
about. The web has quirks and some anachronisms in it but that is because
it can't afford to break compatibility with itself. A website from 1995
needs to be just as valid to the browser as one from 2021. What this means
is that there are still people programming the web as if it still is 1995,
so the quality of material you find online varies a lot. I'm happy that I
know it well but when I need some app on my day to day work, I will more
often turn to LC than building a web solution.

You can build richer experiences more easily by using LC and shipping a
loader standalone than by using LC server without knowing JS.

Kind regards
a

On Tue, 19 Jan 2021 at 13:49, Andre Garzia  wrote:

> But apps that are browsers to bundled content are OK. That is how you get
> Apache Cordova and Phonegap to work.
>
> On Tue, 19 Jan 2021 at 02:06, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> On 1/18/21 2:20 PM, William Prothero via use-livecode wrote:
>>
>> > Building a single web-based app that avoids the world of all the mobile
>> apps and desktop idiosyncrasies is attractive.
>>
>> I thought mobile stores (Apple, etc) explicitly disallowed apps that
>> were essentially just web browsers to external content.
>>
>> Am I wrong about this?
>>
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Re: Considering work with livecode server

[Andre Garzia via use-livecode]

But apps that are browsers to bundled content are OK. That is how you get
Apache Cordova and Phonegap to work.

On Tue, 19 Jan 2021 at 02:06, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 1/18/21 2:20 PM, William Prothero via use-livecode wrote:
>
> > Building a single web-based app that avoids the world of all the mobile
> apps and desktop idiosyncrasies is attractive.
>
> I thought mobile stores (Apple, etc) explicitly disallowed apps that
> were essentially just web browsers to external content.
>
> Am I wrong about this?
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Re: Considering work with livecode server

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

That's right. Apps that are just portals to web content are forbidden.
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On January 18, 2021 8:07:08 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
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On 1/18/21 2:20 PM, William Prothero via use-livecode wrote:

Building a single web-based app that avoids the world of all the mobile 
apps and desktop idiosyncrasies is attractive.


I thought mobile stores (Apple, etc) explicitly disallowed apps that
were essentially just web browsers to external content.

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Re: Considering work with livecode server

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On 1/18/21 2:20 PM, William Prothero via use-livecode wrote:


Building a single web-based app that avoids the world of all the mobile apps 
and desktop idiosyncrasies is attractive.


I thought mobile stores (Apple, etc) explicitly disallowed apps that 
were essentially just web browsers to external content.


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Re: Considering work with livecode server

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

William Prothero wrote:

> Richard,
> I did understand that the server was pretty much like php, but I
> didn’t know how much beyond that it could go in terms of dynamic
> interaction with screen objects.

LC Server does have the ability to export graphics, but being at the far 
end of an HTTP connection it's not quite what you're looking for.


As for client-side option:

> The reason I wanted to look into it’s use in a browser is that for
> education, lower level grades use a lot of browser based materials
> because they don’t require kids to download apps and the most
> disadvantaged of kids can mostly use a browser. Also, teachers are
> pretty much max’d out and want to keep things the way students are
> accustomed. Building a single web-based app that avoids the world of
> all the mobile apps and desktop idiosyncrasies is attractive.

Yeah, it's a funny thing I see as you do, but can't quite wrap my head 
around:


On mobile devices, it's all "No, it can't be in a browser, it MUST be a 
native app!"


But then with a larger screen it's somehow "No, it can't be a native 
app, it MUST be in a browser!"


:)

These days I tend to consider browser first, looking at native apps 
(desktop or mobile both) only when there's some solid reason not to use 
a browser.


But there are many reasons, and for most of the last several years just 
about everything I make is a slim standalone that pulls stuff down from 
web servers, so for the small cost of a one-time install the user always 
has the latest and greatest without ever having to think about it again.



> My experience is that building the app in Livecode is the easy/fun
> part and getting it on the wide variety of platforms (Apple, windows,
> Chromebooks, iPads, the Android variations, etc, etc) is the time-
> consuming/mind-numbing challenge. I have build iOS apps and hate to
> spend my time fighting the deployment issues.

If you need platform coverage that broad your options are narrow.  The 
design requirements for such a range of screen sizes require a deep 
re-think for most UI layouts, something that CSS is designed to handle 
but little else is.



> My comments are from the perspective of a guy who is retired, enjoys
> building useful education tools, and gives away my creations for free
> to pay back the National Science Foundation for all the support I got
> while working. So, I’m trying to maximize my satisfaction from this
> hobby.
>
> I came to Livecode from Director and Shockwave. I love Livecode, but
> wish it could do the same in a browser that it does so well with
> desktop and apps.

If you're not bound to market expectations you may be able to call the 
shots. Do what you want, and if people's preoccupations prevent them 
from enjoying it their loss. :)


Browsers are DEEPLY, VASTLY different from native apps.  Born for 
trading research papers with everything else we enjoy grafted on after 
the fact, browsers handle content with a built-in reflow logic that no 
authoring environment for desktop can or even should be expected to 
match, any more than we bite into an apple expecting it to taste like an 
orange.


A small subset of things can port nicely, and my preferred way of 
working is authoring with custom LC tools and generating web-ready HTML 
from those.


If the only interaction you need is hiding/showing things and maybe a 
few other things, it would be fairly straightforward to write library in 
LC and a matching library in JavaScript, so you can author away to your 
heart's content by just setting properties, and the interaction behavior 
carries over nicely from your desktop authoring to the browser viewing.


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Re: Considering work with livecode server

[Rick Harrison via use-livecode]

Hi Bill,

If you just want to put together good-looking quick and dirty webpages
that don’t need database interaction, you might want to use Apple’s
Keynote software.  You can put together a presentation with links
from one page to another, and just export the whole thing as HTML.
It works really great for what it is.  Try it out!

Good luck!

Rick

> On Jan 18, 2021, at 5:20 PM, William Prothero via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Richard,
> I did understand that the server was pretty much like php, but I didn’t know 
> how much beyond that it could go in terms of dynamic interaction with screen 
> objects.
> 
> The reason I wanted to look into it’s use in a browser is that for education, 
> lower level grades use a lot of browser based materials because they don’t 
> require kids to download apps and the most disadvantaged of kids can mostly 
> use a browser. Also, teachers are pretty much max’d out and want to keep 
> things the way students are accustomed. Building a single web-based app that 
> avoids the world of all the mobile apps and desktop idiosyncrasies is 
> attractive. My experience is that building the app in Livecode is the 
> easy/fun part and getting it on the wide variety of platforms (Apple, 
> windows, Chromebooks, iPads, the Android variations, etc, etc) is the 
> time-consuming/mind-numbing challenge. I have build iOS apps and hate to 
> spend my time fighting the deployment issues.
> 
> My comments are from the perspective of a guy who is retired, enjoys building 
> useful education tools, and gives away my creations for free to pay back the 
> National Science Foundation for all the support I got while working. So, I’m 
> trying to maximize my satisfaction from this hobby.
> 
> I came to Livecode from Director and Shockwave. I love Livecode, but wish it 
> could do the same in a browser that it does so well with desktop and apps.
> 
> Everybody: Be Well, Be Safe, it’s been a crazy year in the US, and in the 
> world too.
> 
> Bill
> 
> William Prothero
> https://earthlearningsolutions.org


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Re: Considering work with livecode server

[William Prothero via use-livecode]

Richard,
I did understand that the server was pretty much like php, but I didn’t know 
how much beyond that it could go in terms of dynamic interaction with screen 
objects.

The reason I wanted to look into it’s use in a browser is that for education, 
lower level grades use a lot of browser based materials because they don’t 
require kids to download apps and the most disadvantaged of kids can mostly use 
a browser. Also, teachers are pretty much max’d out and want to keep things the 
way students are accustomed. Building a single web-based app that avoids the 
world of all the mobile apps and desktop idiosyncrasies is attractive. My 
experience is that building the app in Livecode is the easy/fun part and 
getting it on the wide variety of platforms (Apple, windows, Chromebooks, 
iPads, the Android variations, etc, etc) is the time-consuming/mind-numbing 
challenge. I have build iOS apps and hate to spend my time fighting the 
deployment issues.

My comments are from the perspective of a guy who is retired, enjoys building 
useful education tools, and gives away my creations for free to pay back the 
National Science Foundation for all the support I got while working. So, I’m 
trying to maximize my satisfaction from this hobby.

I came to Livecode from Director and Shockwave. I love Livecode, but wish it 
could do the same in a browser that it does so well with desktop and apps.

Everybody: Be Well, Be Safe, it’s been a crazy year in the US, and in the world 
too.

Bill

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Re: Considering work with livecode server

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Bill Prothero wrote:

> I’m considering doing some work with LiveCode server.
...
> Can I position and drag graphic images around. For example, I’m
> thinking of the capability to create an image with various parts
> that I can click to hide and position based on mouse drags or
> clicks or whatever I want.

LC Server runs on a server, specifically as a CGI under Apache.  Its 
role is similar to PHP and other server-side languages in allowing a 
developer to add custom functionality to Apache.


It has no direct role in anything client-side, whether a browser or an 
LC app.  Client software sends requests to the server, and the server 
sends them back to the client.  The two are very separate, connected 
only through HTTP.


If you're looking for that sort of client-side interaction, and IF you 
ABSOLUTELY MUST confine the experience to the browser app, your only 
viable option is the browser-native technology stack, JavaScript/HTML/CSS.


LiveCode's HTML export aims to deliver a replacement for browser-native 
options, but by its nature it's well suited only fora very small number 
of projects.


If you're looking for the benefits of lightweight delivery over HTTP, 
and have no requirement that you ABSOLUTELY MUST limit what you're doing 
to be delivered specifically inside of a browser window, the most 
powerful option we have is also the simplest:  just download a stack 
within a lean standalone.


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Considering work with livecode server

[prothero--- via use-livecode]

Folks:
I’m considering doing some work with LiveCode server. It looks like revigniter 
would be a good startng place, but I have questions before I invest a lot of 
time in it.

Can I position and drag graphic images around. For example, I’m thinking of the 
capability to create an image with various parts that I can click to hide and 
position based on mouse drags or clicks or whatever I want.

It would help me a lot if I could see examples of great sites built with the 
livecode server. If I have to become an expert on Python or Java or javascript 
to do it, though, I’d pass. Basically, I’d like to see what can be done with 
livecode script, livecode server, and whatever html and css are required to do 
what I want. Beginner Python or Javascript might be ok, though.

So, if anyone could post a link to a site like this, I’d very much appreciate 
it. 

Best,
Bill


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Re: Livecode server configuration: tracking down and Apache redirect

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

David Bovill wrote:

> The server return 400 Not Found when routing for a *.json file, while
> 200 OK when routing for a *.txt file - all other conditions seem the
> same.
...
> The .htaccess in the $DOCUMENT_ROOT folder does not mention json file
> endings.

Ah, we may have been looking at this backwards.

Rather than ask why Apache ISN'T serving JSON, we might ask why it SHOULD.

IIRC, following the general principle of least access Apache's defaults 
serve only a small number of types, and additional types must be added 
explicitly.


Just as we use directives to tell Apache to recognize the file type 
".lc", you should be able to tell it to recognize .json by adding this 
to Apache's config:


AddType application/json .json


Details here also show how to force UTF-8 for json, along with other tips:

https://htaccessbook.com/useful-htaccess-rules/


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Re: Livecode server configuration: tracking down and Apache redirect

[David Bovill via use-livecode]

Thanks for the tips Richard:
On 18 Dec 2020, 21:05 +, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
, wrote:
> David Bovill wrote:
>
> > I have a Livecode server running Revigniter under Apache on Ubuntu. I
> > installed it 8 years ago or so, and it is causing redirect problems
> > with files ending in .json. I am assuming that a long time ago a set
> > the configuration somewhere to handle .json files in a particular way,
> > but I can’t track this down. Any thoughts where to look?
>
> Is the redirect a 301, 302, or something else?

The server return 400 Not Found when routing for a *.json file, while 200 OK 
when routing for a *.txt file - all other conditions seem the same.

If I replace “json” with “json” or “xyz” or any arbitrary txt in the 
(Revigniter) routing everything works as expected. The .htaccess in the 
$DOCUMENT_ROOT folder does not mention json file endings.

I suspect there is another file somewhere doing the Apache based redirect?
> Is the returntype appropriate for JSON?

Yes
> Do you see the problem when access from an LC client, a browser, or both?

Both
> > I’m wondering if there is some sort of log that would allow me to know
> > how Apache is handling a faulty redirect? I’m a bit stuck tracking it
> > down.
>
> The Apache logs are at:
> /var/log/apache2/access.log
> /var/log/apache2/error.log

I can’t see information there that will help debug.
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Re: Livecode server configuration: tracking down and Apache redirect

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

David Bovill wrote:

> I have a Livecode server running Revigniter under Apache on Ubuntu. I
> installed it 8 years ago or so, and it is causing redirect problems
> with files ending in .json. I am assuming that a long time ago a set
> the configuration somewhere to handle .json files in a particular way,
> but I can’t track this down. Any thoughts where to look?

Is the redirect a 301, 302, or something else?

Is the returntype appropriate for JSON?

Do you see the problem when access from an LC client, a browser, or both?


> I’m wondering if there is some sort of log that would allow me to know
> how Apache is handling a faulty redirect? I’m a bit stuck tracking it
> down.

The Apache logs are at:
/var/log/apache2/access.log
/var/log/apache2/error.log

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Livecode server configuration: tracking down and Apache redirect

[David Bovill via use-livecode]

I have a Livecode server running Revigniter under Apache on Ubuntu. I installed 
it 8 years ago or so, and it is causing redirect problems with files ending in 
.json. I am assuming that a long time ago a set the configuration somewhere to 
handle .json files in a particular way, but I can’t track this down. Any 
thoughts where to look?

I’ve tried the following places so far: .htaccess and 
/etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default.conf  which do their job - but no 
mention of .json files.

I’m wondering if there is some sort of log that would allow me to know how 
Apache is handling a faulty redirect? I’m a bit stuck tracking it down.

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Re: Livecode server UNIX version (not Linux).

[doc hawk via use-livecode]

heriberto harrumphed

>3) Today's macOS is descended from NeXT (which Apple acquired and 
> transitioned macOS to in 1999)

And they got a free Jobs to go with it!

Or did they buy a Jobs, and get a free OS.  I’ve never quite been clear . . 

>  6) The Mach microkernel was replaced with the Appel XNU hybrid kernel

Ooh, I missed that.

> 1) It seems we can run a Livecode headless binary on BSD using the Linux 
> compatibility layer. Is that so?


I’m pretty sure that I ran 5.5 both headless and X under FreeBSD.

Come to think of it, I believe there are multiple threads in the archives, 
probably mid 2012, from when I was asking questions about it.  In there would 
be some discussions as to how far it gets in startup before bouncing off of X 
when not using headless.
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Re: Livecode server UNIX version (not Linux).

[Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode]

Richard, Brian thank you very much,

I read about this Livecode execution method a time ago and found it amazing.

Livecode is an amazing product!

So, these are my thoughts:

1) It seems we can run a Livecode headless binary on BSD using the Linux 
compatibility layer. Is that so?
2) How difficult could it be porting Livecode Server to ARM? I tried to 
do this last year using the source code but I got this error: Unknown 
platform.
I tried to remove from the source code the target platform check but it 
didn't work.


Best,
Hery




On 10/29/20 1:57 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:

Brian Milby wrote:

> On Oct 28, 2020, at 11:57 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>> But Heriberto's up for an adventure, one enhancement that would lower
>> RAM use and speed things up a bit is this one:
>>
>> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14115
>>
>> Heriberto, if that's interesting to you let me know. I have a
>> workaround in place now...
>
> What is the workaround that you ended up using?  I looked at the code
> once but it quickly went over my head.  I couldn’t see where the fonts
> were pulled in, at least not where it could be cleanly intercepted.

I appreciate the time you and Mark Wieder spent looking into that - 
thanks again.


I just ran another test this morning to verify that the setup works 
reasonably well, and after I get some client work out of the way I'll 
post some notes on it.


In the meantime, another option just occurred to me which may be 
simpler and more complete:



What happens when standalones are run with -ui, and can that flag be 
added to LC Server?


If -ui not only bypasses font init but all other graphics init (like 
the Skia subsystem, buffering, etc.) it should be a far better solution.


And since -ui is already supported for standalones, my hope is it 
would be simpler to make it available for LC Server than any new flag 
which would require a new implementation throughout.


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Re: Livecode server UNIX version (not Linux).

[Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode]

Not very sure, but months ago I read this (but he seems to talk about 
BSD user utils more than the Kernel).


https://www.quora.com/Is-macOS-considered-to-be-a-BSD-UNIX

Yes, Apple’s macOS can be considered to be a BSD UNIX.

   1) Apple’s macOS is an officially certified UNIX, that takes care of 
the UNIX part of the question.


   2) NeXT was created by using BSD OS, the Mach microkernel and then 
modifying those with new modules created by NeXT.


   3) Today's macOS is descended from NeXT (which Apple acquired and 
transitioned macOS to in 1999)


   4) Apple replaced the NeXT user interface with the world famous 
Macintosh user interface


   5) Apple, slowly over the years removed the NeXT modules and 
replaced them with pure BSD modules and some Apple custom modules


   6) The Mach microkernel was replaced with the Appel XNU hybrid kernel

   7) As of macOS Catalina 10.15, there is no longer any NeXT modules 
in macOS, macOS is now mostly BSD with a few custom Apple modules and of 
course the Macintosh user interface, which has been polished over the years


   8) So yes, macOS is BSD and at the same time it still is Apple Macintosh

   9) If you go to the command line you will see that it is almost 
completely BSD with a few Apple commands for security, file system, etc.


   10) If you are using it normally, then what you see is a pure 
Macintosh user experience.




On 10/29/20 1:32 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:

Are we sure about this?? I thought Apple had moved completely away from BSD a 
long while back.

Bob S



On Oct 28, 2020, at 12:53 , Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Thanks Andre,

I realized that BSD kernels are not the same as MacOS kernels.
As you say: MacOS has a hybrid kernel based on XNU and some parts of BSD.


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Re: Livecode server UNIX version (not Linux).

[Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode]

Hi Richard,


Although I love UNIX, I think this is a much better point.
Looking at the feedback comments I have realized that porting Livecode 
to BSD may not be worth it.


However, I think it is critical for our community to be able to run 
Livecode scripting on IOT devices.


IOT and Edge computing is the future (and the present).

I dare to say that Livecode is a much simpler language for IOT than 
Python (although this is a personal opinion).


If you learn Livecode you kill five birds with one stone:
Desktop, Mobile, Scripting, Web and Server development.

Have you tried developing desktop or mobile applications with Python? It 
is a tremendous pain.


We need a much wider community to be able to extend Livecode to all areas.

Can you imagine Livecode as a popular option on most the important job 
posting sites?


I think the first step would be to have a working version of Livecode 
server for Raspberry.


Livecode currently compiles for many ARM versions.

How difficult could it be to adapt Livecode Server to these versions?


On 10/28/20 11:06 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:

Heriberto Torrado wrote:

> So, here is my idea: What about to create non official versions of
> Livecode server (for scripting purposes) for other platforms not yet
> supported?
> I think it could be good for RunRev: They won't have to work
> supporting those versions and Livecode language will spread to other
> fields.
>
> What do you guys think? Do you think we'll have enough manpower into
> our community to do that?

Raspberry Pi, w/ Raspbian or other Debian-based Linux (Linux ARM).

Home servers, school labs, IoT, and so much more - all currently lost 
to us by not having a build for that engine.


The last build was an experiment done by a team member no longer with 
the company, for LC v7.1.


If you could update the Server edition to v9.6 we could at least have 
a modern version to work with for faceless applications, and any 
remaining work for the GUI side would likely be relatively small 
(certainly smaller than one person trying to knock it all off by 
themselves).





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Re: Livecode server UNIX version (not Linux).

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Brian Milby wrote:

> On Oct 28, 2020, at 11:57 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>> But Heriberto's up for an adventure, one enhancement that would lower
>> RAM use and speed things up a bit is this one:
>>
>> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14115
>>
>> Heriberto, if that's interesting to you let me know. I have a
>> workaround in place now...
>
> What is the workaround that you ended up using?  I looked at the code
> once but it quickly went over my head.  I couldn’t see where the fonts
> were pulled in, at least not where it could be cleanly intercepted.

I appreciate the time you and Mark Wieder spent looking into that - 
thanks again.


I just ran another test this morning to verify that the setup works 
reasonably well, and after I get some client work out of the way I'll 
post some notes on it.


In the meantime, another option just occurred to me which may be simpler 
and more complete:



What happens when standalones are run with -ui, and can that flag be 
added to LC Server?


If -ui not only bypasses font init but all other graphics init (like the 
Skia subsystem, buffering, etc.) it should be a far better solution.


And since -ui is already supported for standalones, my hope is it would 
be simpler to make it available for LC Server than any new flag which 
would require a new implementation throughout.


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Re: Livecode server UNIX version (not Linux).

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Are we sure about this?? I thought Apple had moved completely away from BSD a 
long while back. 

Bob S


> On Oct 28, 2020, at 12:53 , Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Andre,
> 
> I realized that BSD kernels are not the same as MacOS kernels.
> As you say: MacOS has a hybrid kernel based on XNU and some parts of BSD.


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RE: Livecode server UNIX version (not Linux).

[Ralph DiMola via use-livecode]

The session lockup issue also needs to be addressed. This has been raised in 
the past but I found the recipe. This bug occurs when requests come too close 
together. My spidy sense says that this is a file locking race condition. 
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22560


Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
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-Original Message-
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
Brian Milby via use-livecode
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2020 9:26 AM
To: How to use LiveCode
Cc: Brian Milby; Richard Gaskin
Subject: Re: Livecode server UNIX version (not Linux).

What is the workaround that you ended up using?  I looked at the code once but 
it quickly went over my head.  I couldn’t see where the fonts were pulled in, 
at least not where it could be cleanly intercepted.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 28, 2020, at 11:57 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> There may be many useful requests in the bug DB worth considering to improve 
> the performance, robustness, and feature set of LC Server.
> 
> But Heriberto's up for an adventure, one enhancement that would lower RAM use 
> and speed things up a bit is this one:
> 
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14115
> 
> Heriberto, if that's interesting to you let me know. I have a workaround in 
> place now, and I'll bet there's a way to move that inside the engine for a 
> solution that's much simpler than when we discussed it here on this list 
> earlier this year.
> 
> --
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> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web 
> 
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Re: Livecode server UNIX version (not Linux).

[Brian Milby via use-livecode]

What is the workaround that you ended up using?  I looked at the code once but 
it quickly went over my head.  I couldn’t see where the fonts were pulled in, 
at least not where it could be cleanly intercepted.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 28, 2020, at 11:57 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> There may be many useful requests in the bug DB worth considering to improve 
> the performance, robustness, and feature set of LC Server.
> 
> But Heriberto's up for an adventure, one enhancement that would lower RAM use 
> and speed things up a bit is this one:
> 
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14115
> 
> Heriberto, if that's interesting to you let me know. I have a workaround in 
> place now, and I'll bet there's a way to move that inside the engine for a 
> solution that's much simpler than when we discussed it here on this list 
> earlier this year.
> 
> -- 
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> Fourth World Systems
> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
> 
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Re: Livecode server UNIX version (not Linux).

[Andre Garzia via use-livecode]

Hey Friends,

I'm enjoying this thread a lot. I'll not be the person to tell someone not
to port LC to some new ISA or OS, I think it would be great if LC would run
in BSD. Personally, I don't have the time or even the skillset to help
this, but I'd love to benefit from it. Incidentally this is the exact
mindset that prevents good things from happening because many people want
to benefit from something without actually working towards it but I really
can't work on this. The work that LC HQ has done throughout the years
modernizing the codebase and keeping it all working in multiple systems is
amazing and a feat worth of awards but, don't let the convenience of having
that funky download page with all the versions fool you, building LC is not
that easy especially if you're targeting a new ISA/OS combination.

The ideal way in my humble but educated opinion is for LC GPL to be added
to the ports collection of FreeBSD, this is described in the FreeBSD
porters handbook:

https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/index.html

This is probably not a weekend project and not for the faint of heart. It
will require a lot of work to do this properly, but it can be done.

Before dismissing someone volunteering their own time to work on a FreeBSD
port based on that system's market share remember that Macs used to be a
very small percentage of the market. Under the same rules, LC shouldn't
have focused at all on having it working on Macs, clearly Windows was 90%
of the global marketshare. FreeBSD has a ton of stuff going for it and the
wave of people migrating from Linux towards a BSD experience has been
growing steadily since the encroaching of systemd and other "decisions"
have moved Linux away from a more traditional UNIX experience. Lots of the
shiny things people are doing with Linux have been a part of day to day
life of FreeBSD users much earlier and is usually provided in a more
cohesive experience, such as Jails vs Docker.

I advise people who haven't seen modern FreeBSD workflows to check their
foundation youtube channel, there is a lot of nice in-depth videos there
that might help people see it through new eyes. That being said, I don't
think that LC HQ should dedicate their time to do it, they need to focus on
what produces money regardless of how I or other users here feel about
different operating systems.




On Thu, 29 Oct 2020 at 03:57, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Pi Digital wrote:
>
>  > Here’s my take (for what it’s worth). Although Unix is used in 71.6%
>  > (source: w3techs.com) of all known websites as of today and Linux only
>  > 29.0%, at least we have ‘a’ distro that works on some server.
>
> That struck me as odd, so I took a moment to see how they derived that
> impressive Unix number (thanks for including the source).
>
> It turns out they're lumping Unix and Linux together under "Unix" - when
> you click "Unix" you get this breakdown:
>
> Subcategories of Unix
>
> This diagram shows the percentages of websites using various
> subcategories of Unix.
>
> How to read the diagram:
> Linux is used by 40.5% of all the websites who use Unix
>
> Websites who use Unix
> Linux   40.5%
> BSD 0.5%
> Darwin less than 0.1%
> HP-UX  less than 0.1%
> Solarisless than 0.1%
> Minix  less than 0.1%
> Unknown59.0%
>
> I'd wager most of the 59% using "Unknown" are also Linux.
>
> That would line up well enough with what we see at the Wikipedia page
> for server OS market share:
>
>Linux   FreeBSDUnknown  Windows
> W3Cook July 201596.4% 1.7%   0%  1.9%
> W3TechsFeb  201535.9%   0.95%   30.9%   32.3%
> Security Space  Feb 2014   <79.3% N/A   >20.7%
>
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems#Public_servers_on_the_Internet
>
> While Windows has a strong showing in the enterprise for internal
> servers, public-facing servers are by far a Linux story.
>
> This is not only true for most shared and VPS hosting, but public clouds
> as well, with Google, Amazon, and Apple all using Linux to drive their
> infrastructure, and even though Azure is a Win/Linux mix there's a
> surprising amount of Linux going on there (with Ubuntu being the leading
> choice inside containers).
>
> I bring this up not just because I'm a Linux fanboy (though I am and
> make no apologies; I was even worse when I used to be a Mac fanboy ),
> but just as a long-winded way to help support your main thesis:
>
> Aside from new architectures like Linux ARM (Raspberry Pi), the most
> commonly-used platforms where LiveCode Serer would be used are well
> supported.
>
> So, as you wrote:
>
>  > Seriously, if anyone was considering doing this, please..., please,
>  > reconsider and put your efforts and talent into fixing what we already
>  > have. It would be far more 

Re: Livecode server UNIX version (not Linux).

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Pi Digital wrote:

> Here’s my take (for what it’s worth). Although Unix is used in 71.6%
> (source: w3techs.com) of all known websites as of today and Linux only
> 29.0%, at least we have ‘a’ distro that works on some server.

That struck me as odd, so I took a moment to see how they derived that 
impressive Unix number (thanks for including the source).


It turns out they're lumping Unix and Linux together under "Unix" - when 
you click "Unix" you get this breakdown:


   Subcategories of Unix

   This diagram shows the percentages of websites using various
   subcategories of Unix.

   How to read the diagram:
   Linux is used by 40.5% of all the websites who use Unix

   Websites who use Unix
   Linux   40.5%
   BSD  0.5%
   Darwin less than 0.1%
   HP-UX  less than 0.1%
   Solarisless than 0.1%
   Minix  less than 0.1%
   Unknown59.0%

I'd wager most of the 59% using "Unknown" are also Linux.

That would line up well enough with what we see at the Wikipedia page 
for server OS market share:


  Linux   FreeBSDUnknown  Windows
   W3Cook July 201596.4% 1.7%   0%  1.9%
   W3TechsFeb  201535.9%   0.95%   30.9%   32.3%
   Security Space  Feb 2014   <79.3% N/A   >20.7%

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems#Public_servers_on_the_Internet

While Windows has a strong showing in the enterprise for internal 
servers, public-facing servers are by far a Linux story.


This is not only true for most shared and VPS hosting, but public clouds 
as well, with Google, Amazon, and Apple all using Linux to drive their 
infrastructure, and even though Azure is a Win/Linux mix there's a 
surprising amount of Linux going on there (with Ubuntu being the leading 
choice inside containers).


I bring this up not just because I'm a Linux fanboy (though I am and 
make no apologies; I was even worse when I used to be a Mac fanboy ), 
but just as a long-winded way to help support your main thesis:


Aside from new architectures like Linux ARM (Raspberry Pi), the most 
commonly-used platforms where LiveCode Serer would be used are well 
supported.


So, as you wrote:

> Seriously, if anyone was considering doing this, please..., please,
> reconsider and put your efforts and talent into fixing what we already
> have. It would be far more beneficial to a much greater community
> population.

There may be many useful requests in the bug DB worth considering to 
improve the performance, robustness, and feature set of LC Server.


But Heriberto's up for an adventure, one enhancement that would lower 
RAM use and speed things up a bit is this one:


https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14115

Heriberto, if that's interesting to you let me know. I have a workaround 
in place now, and I'll bet there's a way to move that inside the engine 
for a solution that's much simpler than when we discussed it here on 
this list earlier this year.


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Re: Livecode server UNIX version (not Linux).

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Heriberto Torrado wrote:

> So, here is my idea: What about to create non official versions of
> Livecode server (for scripting purposes) for other platforms not yet
> supported?
> I think it could be good for RunRev: They won't have to work
> supporting those versions and Livecode language will spread to other
> fields.
>
> What do you guys think? Do you think we'll have enough manpower into
> our community to do that?

Raspberry Pi, w/ Raspbian or other Debian-based Linux (Linux ARM).

Home servers, school labs, IoT, and so much more - all currently lost to 
us by not having a build for that engine.


The last build was an experiment done by a team member no longer with 
the company, for LC v7.1.


If you could update the Server edition to v9.6 we could at least have a 
modern version to work with for faceless applications, and any remaining 
work for the GUI side would likely be relatively small (certainly 
smaller than one person trying to knock it all off by themselves).


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Re: Livecode server UNIX version (not Linux).

[Pi Digital via use-livecode]

It’s a great idea. How do you propose it be handled? Assuming this is a build 
based on the current system it will likely have to be compiled in Linux as the 
obvious choice. Do we have anyone with the appropriate skills in coding C to 
look into the various server platforms to be compiled for? Someone with enough 
time and resources, knowledge and energy? 

If so, why aren’t those people helpful enough to fix what we already have? 

[Get’s off soap box (for the time being)]  ;) 

Here’s my take (for what it’s worth). Although Unix is used in 71.6% (source: 
w3techs.com) of all known websites as of today and Linux only 29.0%, at least 
we have ‘a’ distro that works on some server. Like you, I’m currently using a 
CentOS web server with LC happily. But the clincher has to be that currently 
FreeBSD has no support for Dell,HP or IBM servers. The only advantages to 
having FreeBSD is a teeny bit better security, tiny performance improvement and 
have it in a fully fledged OS instead of just a kernel. Is it worth anyone’s 
time and effort building for those ‘advantages’?

Seriously, if anyone was considering doing this, please..., please, reconsider 
and put your efforts and talent into fixing what we already have. It would be 
far more beneficial to a much greater community population. 

All the very best. 

Sean Cole
Pi Digital


> On 28 Oct 2020, at 19:53, Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> So, here is my idea: What about to create non official versions of Livecode 
> server (for scripting purposes) for other platforms not yet supported?
> I think it could be good for RunRev: They won't have to work supporting those 
> versions and Livecode language will spread to other fields.
> 
> What do you guys think? Do you think we'll have enough manpower into our 
> community to do that?
> 
> Best,
> Hery
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Re: Livecode server UNIX version (not Linux).

[Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode]

Thanks Andre,

I realized that BSD kernels are not the same as MacOS kernels.
As you say: MacOS has a hybrid kernel based on XNU and some parts of BSD.

I'm only interested in running the Livecode server version and not the IDE.
So, I think that compiling could be the best solution.

I have been coding with Livecode for several years almost every week.
So my mind is very "Livecodized".
In fact, when I have to change to PHP, JS, Python or Golang, I feel very 
unproductive. Everything takes much more time than doing it with Livecode.


I would like not only to run Livecode server on BSD, but also on 
different hardware platforms.
I think on the IOT field Livecode script could have a good opportunity 
to be a killer language.


In the past, I tried to compile Livecode server for this devices, but I 
got several errors: 
https://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product=69_id=279


So, here is my idea: What about to create non official versions of 
Livecode server (for scripting purposes) for other platforms not yet 
supported?
I think it could be good for RunRev: They won't have to work supporting 
those versions and Livecode language will spread to other fields.


What do you guys think? Do you think we'll have enough manpower into our 
community to do that?


Best,
Hery



On 10/28/20 11:24 AM, Andre Garzia via use-livecode wrote:

On Mon, 19 Oct 2020 at 21:31, Paul McClernan via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


OS X, Windows 95 through Windows 10, Raspberry Pi and "several variations
of Unix (I think is just means Linux)".

I'm thinking about tinkering with a FreeBSD server and LiveCode server,
but I didn't see a "UNIX" version, so I suppose that I have to compile

it.

Have any of you installed LiveCode server on FreeBSD (or Solaris)?


As others mentioned, this is dated information. However, last I checked
macOS (or rather the "Darwin" layer of macOS) is POSIX compliant and built
from BSD UNIX 4.4 & bits of FreeBSD. So, I would not be all that surprised
if a LiveCode for macOS GUI-less/CLI executable could run on some other
BSD.



That is not really how this works.

macOS is built on top of old NEXTSTEP and it is POSIX compliant but
that doesn't mean that LC from mac can work on BSD. MacOS uses the XNU
kernel, its executable file format and shared library file format are
unique and not related at all to anything that a BSD can run.

FreeBSD can run Linux binaries though as can be seen in the FreeBSD
Handbook:

https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/linuxemu.html

This is done through emulation and I can't vouch for the performance or
correctness of it but, in theory you can install the necessary components
and libraries and then be able to run the Linux version of LC in FreeBSD.

Another option is trying to build from source. To be effective, this would
require knowledge of the FreeBSD ports and packages system besides knowing
enough of LC source and C++ to patch anything needed. I bet they'd love
such a contribution if you have the chops to do it.




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Re: Livecode server UNIX version (not Linux).

[Andre Garzia via use-livecode]

On Mon, 19 Oct 2020 at 21:31, Paul McClernan via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> >
> > OS X, Windows 95 through Windows 10, Raspberry Pi and "several variations
> > of Unix (I think is just means Linux)".
> >
> > I'm thinking about tinkering with a FreeBSD server and LiveCode server,
> > but I didn't see a "UNIX" version, so I suppose that I have to compile
> it.
> > Have any of you installed LiveCode server on FreeBSD (or Solaris)?
> >
>
> As others mentioned, this is dated information. However, last I checked
> macOS (or rather the "Darwin" layer of macOS) is POSIX compliant and built
> from BSD UNIX 4.4 & bits of FreeBSD. So, I would not be all that surprised
> if a LiveCode for macOS GUI-less/CLI executable could run on some other
> BSD.
>
>
That is not really how this works.

macOS is built on top of old NEXTSTEP and it is POSIX compliant but
that doesn't mean that LC from mac can work on BSD. MacOS uses the XNU
kernel, its executable file format and shared library file format are
unique and not related at all to anything that a BSD can run.

FreeBSD can run Linux binaries though as can be seen in the FreeBSD
Handbook:

https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/linuxemu.html

This is done through emulation and I can't vouch for the performance or
correctness of it but, in theory you can install the necessary components
and libraries and then be able to run the Linux version of LC in FreeBSD.

Another option is trying to build from source. To be effective, this would
require knowledge of the FreeBSD ports and packages system besides knowing
enough of LC source and C++ to patch anything needed. I bet they'd love
such a contribution if you have the chops to do it.


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Re: Livecode server UNIX version (not Linux).

[Paul McClernan via use-livecode]

>
> OS X, Windows 95 through Windows 10, Raspberry Pi and "several variations
> of Unix (I think is just means Linux)".
>
> I'm thinking about tinkering with a FreeBSD server and LiveCode server,
> but I didn't see a "UNIX" version, so I suppose that I have to compile it.
> Have any of you installed LiveCode server on FreeBSD (or Solaris)?
>

As others mentioned, this is dated information. However, last I checked
macOS (or rather the "Darwin" layer of macOS) is POSIX compliant and built
from BSD UNIX 4.4 & bits of FreeBSD. So, I would not be all that surprised
if a LiveCode for macOS GUI-less/CLI executable could run on some other BSD.

On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 12:08 PM Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> I have a question.   It's not a very important question and I don’t want
> to bother you y 'all, so if you think is off-topic, feel free to not to
> respond,  I'm just curious.
>
> I've been working with Livecode for almost five years, and I never saw a
> LiveCode server  "UNIX" version.
>
> The LiveCode Wikipedia’s article says this: LiveCode runs on iOS, Android,
> OS X, Windows 95 through Windows 10, Raspberry Pi and "several variations
> of Unix (I think is just means Linux)".
>
> I'm thinking about tinkering with a FreeBSD server and LiveCode server,
> but I didn't see a "UNIX" version, so I suppose that I have to compile it.
> Have any of you installed LiveCode server on FreeBSD (or Solaris)?
>
> I'm just thinking, but maybe there's a small niche working  with LiveCode
> server on BSD or Solaris (still many companies use them and not many people
> develop software for this platforms nowadays).
> We have a few companies in Spain (my country) still using Solaris or BSD
> servers (mainly in the Graphic arts business).
>
> PS, I currently work with LiveCode Server on Centos, but it could be
> interesting  to test it in FreeBSD.
>
> Best regards/ Saludos cordiales/ Cordialement
>
> Heriberto Torrado
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> ​Director de informática
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>
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Re: Livecode server UNIX version (not Linux).

[Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode]

Hi Richmond,

I think it's because since the early 2000's, Linux is the UNIX-like 
standard platform in the world, and maybe Runrev realized that it is not 
worth it to put more effort into other UNIX platforms rather than Linux


It is a pity because now, Linux runs on 90% of the internet servers.
I love Linux, but monopolies are not good (even "free" monopolies).

Solaris, AIX and HP-UX are almost dead and BSDs and illumos derivations 
are decaying day by day.


There are still some companies using them in Spain, but they lack 
technicians, so they are stepping on the gas to get rid of them.
There are still some grey beards that refuse to toss them away, and 
maybe there are some opportunities working with them.


Still here in the US there are many governmental apartments using them.

Sadly, UNIX is part of a world that no longer exists.

Nice an updated reading: 
https://www.unixsheikh.com/articles/freebsd-is-an-amazing-operating-system.html


Best,
Hery

On 10/17/20 2:44 PM, Richmond via use-livecode wrote:
"But rightly LC saw where the future was headed with mobile computing 
and they obviously had to make sacrifices along the way (e.g. FreeBSD, 
etc)"


That sounds super if it were true, but I don't think it is as RunRev 
(as they then were) dropped support for SPARC, UNIX and so

forth a long time before they began work on mobile platforms.

Richmond.

On 16.10.20 10:55, Bernard Devlin via use-livecode wrote:

  Hi Heriberto

Back in the day (20 years ago) the engine/IDE ran on FreeBSD and various
proprietary unixes.

The Linux server version has been seen to work on FreeBSD back in 2011
(after installing Linux compatibility layer).

http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Yay-Victory-RevServer-runs-on-FreeBSD-with-Linux-Compat-installed-td3445454.html 



You _might_ be able to get that to work now.  I doubt it would be 
supported
by Livecode.  What amazes me nowadays is just how much more complex 
things
are than they were 20 years ago - looking at the compatibility matrix 
for
Livecode dependencies on OS version, XCode version, device version -- 
all

just to produce apps that run on iOS:

https://livecode.com/docs/9-5-0/faq/faq/

If someone had said 20 years ago that a small company in Scotland could
manage that kind of complexity people would have laughed in 
disbelief.  But
rightly LC saw where the future was headed with mobile computing and 
they
obviously had to make sacrifices along the way (e.g. FreeBSD, etc) to 
be in

a situation to take on this level of complexity.

HTH Bernard

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Dear all,

I have a question.   It's not a very important question and I don’t 
want

to bother you y 'all, so if you think is off-topic, feel free to not to
respond,  I'm just curious.

I've been working with Livecode for almost five years, and I never 
saw a

LiveCode server  "UNIX" version.

The LiveCode Wikipedia’s article says this: LiveCode runs on iOS, 
Android,
OS X, Windows 95 through Windows 10, Raspberry Pi and "several 
variations

of Unix (I think is just means Linux)".

I'm thinking about tinkering with a FreeBSD server and LiveCode server,
but I didn't see a "UNIX" version, so I suppose that I have to 
compile it.

Have any of you installed LiveCode server on FreeBSD (or Solaris)?

I'm just thinking, but maybe there's a small niche working with 
LiveCode
server on BSD or Solaris (still many companies use them and not many 
people

develop software for this platforms nowadays).
We have a few companies in Spain (my country) still using Solaris or 
BSD

servers (mainly in the Graphic arts business).

PS, I currently work with LiveCode Server on Centos, but it could be
interesting  to test it in FreeBSD.

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Re: Livecode server UNIX version (not Linux).

[Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode]

Barnand, Thanks for your kindly response

"What amazes me nowadays is just how much more complex things
are than they were 20 years ago"

Yes,that's the main problem today.

Regardless of the programming language, nowadays we have to deal with desktops, 
mobiles, servers, etc. and that is crazy.

In the web design world, they "fixed" it using CSS + HTML + JS + SQL + "insert your 
favorite server language here", but that is also a mess too.

I miss the old days: Just Desktop & servers.:-(

As you said: I don't know how runrev (Livecode) can deal with that complexity 
level.
Five different platforms and 32 & 64 bits.

I'll try the Linux compatibility layer. I think the latest Solaris versions 
have it too.

Best,
Hery//


On 10/16/20 3:55 AM, Bernard Devlin via use-livecode wrote:

  Hi Heriberto

Back in the day (20 years ago) the engine/IDE ran on FreeBSD and various
proprietary unixes.

The Linux server version has been seen to work on FreeBSD back in 2011
(after installing Linux compatibility layer).

http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Yay-Victory-RevServer-runs-on-FreeBSD-with-Linux-Compat-installed-td3445454.html

You _might_ be able to get that to work now.  I doubt it would be supported
by Livecode.  What amazes me nowadays is just how much more complex things
are than they were 20 years ago - looking at the compatibility matrix for
Livecode dependencies on OS version, XCode version, device version -- all
just to produce apps that run on iOS:

https://livecode.com/docs/9-5-0/faq/faq/

If someone had said 20 years ago that a small company in Scotland could
manage that kind of complexity people would have laughed in disbelief.  But
rightly LC saw where the future was headed with mobile computing and they
obviously had to make sacrifices along the way (e.g. FreeBSD, etc) to be in
a situation to take on this level of complexity.

HTH Bernard

On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 5:08 PM Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode <
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Dear all,

I have a question.   It's not a very important question and I don’t want
to bother you y 'all, so if you think is off-topic, feel free to not to
respond,  I'm just curious.

I've been working with Livecode for almost five years, and I never saw a
LiveCode server  "UNIX" version.

The LiveCode Wikipedia’s article says this: LiveCode runs on iOS, Android,
OS X, Windows 95 through Windows 10, Raspberry Pi and "several variations
of Unix (I think is just means Linux)".

I'm thinking about tinkering with a FreeBSD server and LiveCode server,
but I didn't see a "UNIX" version, so I suppose that I have to compile it.
Have any of you installed LiveCode server on FreeBSD (or Solaris)?

I'm just thinking, but maybe there's a small niche working  with LiveCode
server on BSD or Solaris (still many companies use them and not many people
develop software for this platforms nowadays).
We have a few companies in Spain (my country) still using Solaris or BSD
servers (mainly in the Graphic arts business).

PS, I currently work with LiveCode Server on Centos, but it could be
interesting  to test it in FreeBSD.

Best regards/ Saludos cordiales/ Cordialement

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Re: Livecode server UNIX version (not Linux).

[Bernard Devlin via use-livecode]

Which is why my sentence finishes with "... to be in a situation to take on
this level of complexity." :-)

Apple first bought the domain iphone.org in 1999. That the iPhone was under
development was even being discussed by mainstream media such as the New
York Times in 2002. The public availability of the iPhone was announced by
Apple at the start of January 2007. Those with an ear to the ground would
have been considering their future options between 2002 and 2007. I'm glad
they had the foresight I didn't have.

Kind regards,
Bernard


On Sat, Oct 17, 2020 at 7:45 PM Richmond via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> That sounds super if it were true, but I don't think it is as RunRev (as
> they then were) dropped support for SPARC, UNIX and so
> forth a long time before they began work on mobile platforms.
>
> Richmond.
>
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Re: Livecode server UNIX version (not Linux).

[Richmond via use-livecode]

"But rightly LC saw where the future was headed with mobile computing 
and they obviously had to make sacrifices along the way (e.g. FreeBSD, etc)"


That sounds super if it were true, but I don't think it is as RunRev (as 
they then were) dropped support for SPARC, UNIX and so

forth a long time before they began work on mobile platforms.

Richmond.

On 16.10.20 10:55, Bernard Devlin via use-livecode wrote:

  Hi Heriberto

Back in the day (20 years ago) the engine/IDE ran on FreeBSD and various
proprietary unixes.

The Linux server version has been seen to work on FreeBSD back in 2011
(after installing Linux compatibility layer).

http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Yay-Victory-RevServer-runs-on-FreeBSD-with-Linux-Compat-installed-td3445454.html

You _might_ be able to get that to work now.  I doubt it would be supported
by Livecode.  What amazes me nowadays is just how much more complex things
are than they were 20 years ago - looking at the compatibility matrix for
Livecode dependencies on OS version, XCode version, device version -- all
just to produce apps that run on iOS:

https://livecode.com/docs/9-5-0/faq/faq/

If someone had said 20 years ago that a small company in Scotland could
manage that kind of complexity people would have laughed in disbelief.  But
rightly LC saw where the future was headed with mobile computing and they
obviously had to make sacrifices along the way (e.g. FreeBSD, etc) to be in
a situation to take on this level of complexity.

HTH Bernard

On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 5:08 PM Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


Dear all,

I have a question.   It's not a very important question and I don’t want
to bother you y 'all, so if you think is off-topic, feel free to not to
respond,  I'm just curious.

I've been working with Livecode for almost five years, and I never saw a
LiveCode server  "UNIX" version.

The LiveCode Wikipedia’s article says this: LiveCode runs on iOS, Android,
OS X, Windows 95 through Windows 10, Raspberry Pi and "several variations
of Unix (I think is just means Linux)".

I'm thinking about tinkering with a FreeBSD server and LiveCode server,
but I didn't see a "UNIX" version, so I suppose that I have to compile it.
Have any of you installed LiveCode server on FreeBSD (or Solaris)?

I'm just thinking, but maybe there's a small niche working  with LiveCode
server on BSD or Solaris (still many companies use them and not many people
develop software for this platforms nowadays).
We have a few companies in Spain (my country) still using Solaris or BSD
servers (mainly in the Graphic arts business).

PS, I currently work with LiveCode Server on Centos, but it could be
interesting  to test it in FreeBSD.

Best regards/ Saludos cordiales/ Cordialement

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Re: Livecode server UNIX version (not Linux).

[Bernard Devlin via use-livecode]

 Hi Heriberto

Back in the day (20 years ago) the engine/IDE ran on FreeBSD and various
proprietary unixes.

The Linux server version has been seen to work on FreeBSD back in 2011
(after installing Linux compatibility layer).

http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Yay-Victory-RevServer-runs-on-FreeBSD-with-Linux-Compat-installed-td3445454.html

You _might_ be able to get that to work now.  I doubt it would be supported
by Livecode.  What amazes me nowadays is just how much more complex things
are than they were 20 years ago - looking at the compatibility matrix for
Livecode dependencies on OS version, XCode version, device version -- all
just to produce apps that run on iOS:

https://livecode.com/docs/9-5-0/faq/faq/

If someone had said 20 years ago that a small company in Scotland could
manage that kind of complexity people would have laughed in disbelief.  But
rightly LC saw where the future was headed with mobile computing and they
obviously had to make sacrifices along the way (e.g. FreeBSD, etc) to be in
a situation to take on this level of complexity.

HTH Bernard

On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 5:08 PM Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> I have a question.   It's not a very important question and I don’t want
> to bother you y 'all, so if you think is off-topic, feel free to not to
> respond,  I'm just curious.
>
> I've been working with Livecode for almost five years, and I never saw a
> LiveCode server  "UNIX" version.
>
> The LiveCode Wikipedia’s article says this: LiveCode runs on iOS, Android,
> OS X, Windows 95 through Windows 10, Raspberry Pi and "several variations
> of Unix (I think is just means Linux)".
>
> I'm thinking about tinkering with a FreeBSD server and LiveCode server,
> but I didn't see a "UNIX" version, so I suppose that I have to compile it.
> Have any of you installed LiveCode server on FreeBSD (or Solaris)?
>
> I'm just thinking, but maybe there's a small niche working  with LiveCode
> server on BSD or Solaris (still many companies use them and not many people
> develop software for this platforms nowadays).
> We have a few companies in Spain (my country) still using Solaris or BSD
> servers (mainly in the Graphic arts business).
>
> PS, I currently work with LiveCode Server on Centos, but it could be
> interesting  to test it in FreeBSD.
>
> Best regards/ Saludos cordiales/ Cordialement
>
> Heriberto Torrado
> ​Chief Technology Officer (CTO)
> ​Director de informática
> Directeur informatique
>
> https://networkdreams.net
>
>
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Livecode server UNIX version (not Linux).

[Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode]

Dear all,

I have a question.   It's not a very important question and I don’t want to 
bother you y 'all, so if you think is off-topic, feel free to not to respond,  
I'm just curious.

I've been working with Livecode for almost five years, and I never saw a 
LiveCode server  "UNIX" version.

The LiveCode Wikipedia’s article says this: LiveCode runs on iOS, Android, OS 
X, Windows 95 through Windows 10, Raspberry Pi and "several variations of Unix 
(I think is just means Linux)".

I'm thinking about tinkering with a FreeBSD server and LiveCode server,  but I 
didn't see a "UNIX" version, so I suppose that I have to compile it. 
Have any of you installed LiveCode server on FreeBSD (or Solaris)?

I'm just thinking, but maybe there's a small niche working  with LiveCode 
server on BSD or Solaris (still many companies use them and not many people 
develop software for this platforms nowadays).
We have a few companies in Spain (my country) still using Solaris or BSD 
servers (mainly in the Graphic arts business).

PS, I currently work with LiveCode Server on Centos, but it could be 
interesting  to test it in FreeBSD.

Best regards/ Saludos cordiales/ Cordialement 

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Re: LiveCode server IDE

[Keith Clarke via use-livecode]

Hi Alex,
Thanks for the description of your workflow, toolset and dev/test rig - an 
interesting direction of travel, especially as it extends to my current setup.

I really like the division of labour between the LC IDE for LC and Coda for 
html, CSS and native sync to server. Nice too, the 'closed-loop environment, 
with the local test stack that can call, display (and if necessary interrogate) 
specific rendered web pages.

So, my learning path moves on, from tools to building out my own dev/test 
scaffolding and moving my thinking from LC stacks with UI to script-only stacks 
in an LC Server CGI context serving web forms. Plenty of reading to do! :-)

Thanks & regards,
Keith

> On 12 Oct 2020, at 20:51, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Keith,
> 
> My workflow is not much different from Ralph's.
> 
> Short answer:
> 
>  - edit in IDE, test in IDE
> 
>  - upload to server using Coda 2  (which I also use to edit non-lc files).
> 
> Long answer:
> 
>  - I don't use any of the LCserver specific features -  no entangled html, no 
> includes, ... - everything is a regular script-only stack
> 
>  - I have a test stack that I use in the IDE which lets me specify which page 
> (and parameters, cookies, etc.) I want, generates the web page and displays 
> the output in a web browser instance within the testing stack.
> 
>  - when satisfied, I use Coda 2 to upload the LC files (I never edit them in 
> Coda))
> 
>  - I edit other files (menu definitions, form definitions, web pages, views, 
> etc.)  in Coda2
> 
> I use both on-rev and hostM for servers - both have everything already 
> installed,  good support, etc.
> 
> (tbh, if on-rev hadn't had a bad patch a few years ago with email problems, I 
> would probably never have strayed, but it's kind of good to know that hostM 
> is there as an alternate source in case I need it :-)
> 
> Alex.
> 
> On 12/10/2020 15:49, Keith Clarke via use-livecode wrote:
> 
>> Thanks for the response, Ralph.
>> 
>> I've struggled to retain/regain my old local Sites, web server and LC Server 
>> on my home Macs. So, I was thinking of embarking down the script-only stacks 
>> route, using an on-rev LC-Server instance to do any web-services 
>> heavy-lifting work server-to-server, on behalf of client apps that use 
>> either LC desktop or simple html forms.
>> 
>> My html & css 'hackery-pokery' has been on Coda2 to date, but its 
>> replacement, Nova, still lacks any LiveCode autocompletion.
>> 
>> I may need to learn a new text-editing based IDE tool. Thanks for the Atom 
>> suggestion - I see that there's a LiveCode language pack available that 
>> includes LC Server, so that may be a better place to play than VS Code, etc.
>> 
>> Thanks & regards,
>> Keith
>> 
>>> On 12 Oct 2020, at 15:01, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Keith,
>>> 
>>> As a follow up... If you have a web server with LC installed running on your
>>> local machine then just a ctrl S in the LC IDE will let you test your server
>>> script(stack) immediately in the currently open IDE instance.
>>> 
>>> IDE alternatives to edit LC script only stacks are many. I use the Atom for
>>> LC builder and html(when Dreamweaver is just to much).
>>> 
>>> Ralph DiMola
>>> IT Director
>>> Evergreen Information Services
>>> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Keith Clarke via use-livecode
>>> Sent: Monday, October 12, 2020 3:18 AM
>>> To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
>>> Cc: Keith Clarke
>>> Subject: LiveCode server IDE
>>> 
>>> Hi folks,
>>> What is the current state of the art regarding LiveCode server IDE -
>>> searching around, this seems down to personal preference of text editor plus
>>> FTP?
>>> 
>>> I'm Mac-based and looking to experiment with web services.
>>> Thanks and regards,
>>> Keith
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: LiveCode server IDE

[Alex Tweedly via use-livecode]

Hi Keith,

My workflow is not much different from Ralph's.

Short answer:

 - edit in IDE, test in IDE

 - upload to server using Coda 2  (which I also use to edit non-lc files).

Long answer:

 - I don't use any of the LCserver specific features -  no entangled 
html, no includes, ... - everything is a regular script-only stack


 - I have a test stack that I use in the IDE which lets me specify 
which page (and parameters, cookies, etc.) I want, generates the web 
page and displays the output in a web browser instance within the 
testing stack.


 - when satisfied, I use Coda 2 to upload the LC files (I never edit 
them in Coda))


 - I edit other files (menu definitions, form definitions, web pages, 
views, etc.)  in Coda2


I use both on-rev and hostM for servers - both have everything already 
installed,  good support, etc.


(tbh, if on-rev hadn't had a bad patch a few years ago with email 
problems, I would probably never have strayed, but it's kind of good to 
know that hostM is there as an alternate source in case I need it :-)


Alex.

On 12/10/2020 15:49, Keith Clarke via use-livecode wrote:


Thanks for the response, Ralph.

I've struggled to retain/regain my old local Sites, web server and LC Server on 
my home Macs. So, I was thinking of embarking down the script-only stacks 
route, using an on-rev LC-Server instance to do any web-services heavy-lifting 
work server-to-server, on behalf of client apps that use either LC desktop or 
simple html forms.

My html & css 'hackery-pokery' has been on Coda2 to date, but its replacement, 
Nova, still lacks any LiveCode autocompletion.

I may need to learn a new text-editing based IDE tool. Thanks for the Atom 
suggestion - I see that there's a LiveCode language pack available that 
includes LC Server, so that may be a better place to play than VS Code, etc.

Thanks & regards,
Keith


On 12 Oct 2020, at 15:01, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Keith,

As a follow up... If you have a web server with LC installed running on your
local machine then just a ctrl S in the LC IDE will let you test your server
script(stack) immediately in the currently open IDE instance.

IDE alternatives to edit LC script only stacks are many. I use the Atom for
LC builder and html(when Dreamweaver is just to much).

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
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From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of Keith Clarke via use-livecode
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2020 3:18 AM
To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Cc: Keith Clarke
Subject: LiveCode server IDE

Hi folks,
What is the current state of the art regarding LiveCode server IDE -
searching around, this seems down to personal preference of text editor plus
FTP?

I'm Mac-based and looking to experiment with web services.
Thanks and regards,
Keith


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RE: LiveCode server IDE

[Ralph DiMola via use-livecode]

Keith,

I use LC Server on the on-rev server. It is already setup and the support
from Heather/Robin is the best! I personally use regular standard issue
binary stacks for everything out of habit. These same stacks are also used
in my apps. This is what I love about LC server, it allows me to use my
libraries on the server and in apps. What other programming language does
this?

If you are doing web pages then look into revIgniter.
For a web service vanilla LC scripts do the trick. 

Ralph DiMola
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-Original Message-
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of Keith Clarke via use-livecode
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2020 10:49 AM
To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Cc: Keith Clarke
Subject: Re: LiveCode server IDE

Thanks for the response, Ralph.

I've struggled to retain/regain my old local Sites, web server and LC Server
on my home Macs. So, I was thinking of embarking down the script-only stacks
route, using an on-rev LC-Server instance to do any web-services
heavy-lifting work server-to-server, on behalf of client apps that use
either LC desktop or simple html forms.

My html & css 'hackery-pokery' has been on Coda2 to date, but its
replacement, Nova, still lacks any LiveCode autocompletion.

I may need to learn a new text-editing based IDE tool. Thanks for the Atom
suggestion - I see that there's a LiveCode language pack available that
includes LC Server, so that may be a better place to play than VS Code, etc.

Thanks & regards,
Keith 

> On 12 Oct 2020, at 15:01, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode
 wrote:
> 
> Keith,
> 
> As a follow up... If you have a web server with LC installed running 
> on your local machine then just a ctrl S in the LC IDE will let you 
> test your server
> script(stack) immediately in the currently open IDE instance.
> 
> IDE alternatives to edit LC script only stacks are many. I use the 
> Atom for LC builder and html(when Dreamweaver is just to much).
> 
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On 
> Behalf Of Keith Clarke via use-livecode
> Sent: Monday, October 12, 2020 3:18 AM
> To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Cc: Keith Clarke
> Subject: LiveCode server IDE
> 
> Hi folks,
> What is the current state of the art regarding LiveCode server IDE - 
> searching around, this seems down to personal preference of text 
> editor plus FTP?
> 
> I'm Mac-based and looking to experiment with web services.
> Thanks and regards,
> Keith
> 
> 
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Re: LiveCode server IDE

[Keith Clarke via use-livecode]

Thanks for the response, Ralph.

I've struggled to retain/regain my old local Sites, web server and LC Server on 
my home Macs. So, I was thinking of embarking down the script-only stacks 
route, using an on-rev LC-Server instance to do any web-services heavy-lifting 
work server-to-server, on behalf of client apps that use either LC desktop or 
simple html forms.

My html & css 'hackery-pokery' has been on Coda2 to date, but its replacement, 
Nova, still lacks any LiveCode autocompletion.

I may need to learn a new text-editing based IDE tool. Thanks for the Atom 
suggestion - I see that there's a LiveCode language pack available that 
includes LC Server, so that may be a better place to play than VS Code, etc.

Thanks & regards,
Keith 

> On 12 Oct 2020, at 15:01, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Keith,
> 
> As a follow up... If you have a web server with LC installed running on your
> local machine then just a ctrl S in the LC IDE will let you test your server
> script(stack) immediately in the currently open IDE instance.
> 
> IDE alternatives to edit LC script only stacks are many. I use the Atom for
> LC builder and html(when Dreamweaver is just to much).
> 
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
> Of Keith Clarke via use-livecode
> Sent: Monday, October 12, 2020 3:18 AM
> To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Cc: Keith Clarke
> Subject: LiveCode server IDE
> 
> Hi folks,
> What is the current state of the art regarding LiveCode server IDE -
> searching around, this seems down to personal preference of text editor plus
> FTP?
> 
> I'm Mac-based and looking to experiment with web services.
> Thanks and regards,
> Keith
> 
> 
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RE: LiveCode server IDE

[Ralph DiMola via use-livecode]

Keith,

As a follow up... If you have a web server with LC installed running on your
local machine then just a ctrl S in the LC IDE will let you test your server
script(stack) immediately in the currently open IDE instance.

IDE alternatives to edit LC script only stacks are many. I use the Atom for
LC builder and html(when Dreamweaver is just to much).

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
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From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of Keith Clarke via use-livecode
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2020 3:18 AM
To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Cc: Keith Clarke
Subject: LiveCode server IDE

Hi folks,
What is the current state of the art regarding LiveCode server IDE -
searching around, this seems down to personal preference of text editor plus
FTP?

I'm Mac-based and looking to experiment with web services.
Thanks and regards,
Keith


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RE: LiveCode server IDE

[Ralph DiMola via use-livecode]

I use the standard issue LC IDE to edit the server script, do a "Ctrl S" and
use either a web disk or VPN to drag the saved file to the server. Then I
test my web service in the currently opened IDE. Fast debug cycle.
Easy-peezy...

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To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
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Subject: LiveCode server IDE

Hi folks,
What is the current state of the art regarding LiveCode server IDE -
searching around, this seems down to personal preference of text editor plus
FTP?

I'm Mac-based and looking to experiment with web services.
Thanks and regards,
Keith


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LiveCode server IDE

[Keith Clarke via use-livecode]

Hi folks,
What is the current state of the art regarding LiveCode server IDE - searching 
around, this seems down to personal preference of text editor plus FTP?

I'm Mac-based and looking to experiment with web services.
Thanks and regards,
Keith


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Re: LiveCode Server Under MAMP

[Håkan Liljegren via use-livecode]

I have done that some time ago, nowadays I usually use MAMP Pro if I need more 
sophistication. But I’ll make a try to find it..

:-Håkan
On 27 May 2020, 17:50 +0200, Rick Harrison via use-livecode 
, wrote:
> Did you get MAMP to work with SSL?
>
> If you do, let me know as then you might catch my interest.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rick
>
> > On May 27, 2020, at 11:44 AM, Håkan Liljegren via use-livecode 
> >  wrote:
> >
> > Ouch,
> >
> > Hit send to early, new try:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I was trying to get LiveCode server up and running under MAMP in macOS 
> > Catalina and if anyone is interested. This is what I did to get it running.
> >
> > 1. Download and unpack LiveCode Server
> > 2. Move livecode-server, drivers folder and externals folder into the 
> > cgi-bin folder in MAMP. ( /Applications/MAMP/cgi-bin if you have a standard 
> > installation )
> > 3. Open up /Applications/MAMP/conf/apache/httpd.conf
> > 4. Find the  section and just before 
> > the  you add:
> > AddHandler livecode-script .lc
> > Action livecode-script /livecode-cgi/livecode-server
> > NOTE: IF your have the community server you should replace livecode-server 
> > with livecode-community-server
> > 5. Just after  add a new line with:
> > ScriptAlias /livecode-cgi/livecode-server 
> > /Applications/MAMP/cgi-bin/livecode-server
> > Again replace livecode-server with livecode-community-server if you use the 
> > community version.
> > 6. Now if you restart MAMP and add a .lc file into your web folder and 
> > tries to access it, you will se a prompt that says that livecode-server 
> > can’t be trusted with no options to allow.
> > 7. To allow unnotarized applications under MacOS you need to right-click 
> > the application and select open. You will then get a prompt where you have 
> > an “Open” button. If you click that you will get another prompt asking for 
> > an admin user and password. Fill in and continue.
> > 8. Now you finally have to repeat the procedure for every lib (i.e. every 
> > file in the drivers and the externals folder. But if you do them in 
> > succession you will probably not get the admin prompt more than once.
> > 9. Now you should have a local web development under MAMP with livecode 
> > server up and running!
> >
> > There is also a command line option for point 7 (and 8) above and that is 
> > to use:
> > spctl --add /Applications/MAMP/cgi-bin/livecode-server
> > You will get the same prompt for admin user unless you do
> > sudo spctl …
> >
> > So, no there is no excuse for not starting to use LiveCode for your next 
> > web project ;)
> >
> > Happy Coding!
> >
> > :-Håkan
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Re: LiveCode Server Under MAMP

[Håkan Liljegren via use-livecode]

Not at all! Go ahead.

:-Håkan
On 27 May 2020, 18:14 +0200, matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
, wrote:
> Håkan,
>
> would you mind if i take your steps and create a detailed Livecode Lesson 
> with it?
>
>
> -
> Matthias Rebbe
> Life Is Too Short For Boring Code
>
> > Am 27.05.2020 um 17:44 schrieb Håkan Liljegren via use-livecode 
> > :
> >
> > Ouch,
> >
> > Hit send to early, new try:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I was trying to get LiveCode server up and running under MAMP in macOS 
> > Catalina and if anyone is interested. This is what I did to get it running.
> >
> > 1. Download and unpack LiveCode Server
> > 2. Move livecode-server, drivers folder and externals folder into the 
> > cgi-bin folder in MAMP. ( /Applications/MAMP/cgi-bin if you have a standard 
> > installation )
> > 3. Open up /Applications/MAMP/conf/apache/httpd.conf
> > 4. Find the  section and just before 
> > the  you add:
> > AddHandler livecode-script .lc
> > Action livecode-script /livecode-cgi/livecode-server
> > NOTE: IF your have the community server you should replace livecode-server 
> > with livecode-community-server
> > 5. Just after  add a new line with:
> > ScriptAlias /livecode-cgi/livecode-server 
> > /Applications/MAMP/cgi-bin/livecode-server
> > Again replace livecode-server with livecode-community-server if you use the 
> > community version.
> > 6. Now if you restart MAMP and add a .lc file into your web folder and 
> > tries to access it, you will se a prompt that says that livecode-server 
> > can’t be trusted with no options to allow.
> > 7. To allow unnotarized applications under MacOS you need to right-click 
> > the application and select open. You will then get a prompt where you have 
> > an “Open” button. If you click that you will get another prompt asking for 
> > an admin user and password. Fill in and continue.
> > 8. Now you finally have to repeat the procedure for every lib (i.e. every 
> > file in the drivers and the externals folder. But if you do them in 
> > succession you will probably not get the admin prompt more than once.
> > 9. Now you should have a local web development under MAMP with livecode 
> > server up and running!
> >
> > There is also a command line option for point 7 (and 8) above and that is 
> > to use:
> > spctl --add /Applications/MAMP/cgi-bin/livecode-server
> > You will get the same prompt for admin user unless you do
> > sudo spctl …
> >
> > So, no there is no excuse for not starting to use LiveCode for your next 
> > web project ;)
> >
> > Happy Coding!
> >
> > :-Håkan
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Re: LiveCode Server Under MAMP

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

Håkan,

would you mind if i take your steps and create a detailed  Livecode Lesson with 
it?


-
Matthias Rebbe
Life Is Too Short For Boring Code

> Am 27.05.2020 um 17:44 schrieb Håkan Liljegren via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Ouch,
> 
> Hit send to early, new try:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I was trying to get LiveCode server up and running under MAMP in macOS 
> Catalina and if anyone is interested. This is what I did to get it running.
> 
> 1. Download and unpack LiveCode Server
> 2. Move livecode-server, drivers folder and externals folder into the cgi-bin 
> folder in MAMP. ( /Applications/MAMP/cgi-bin if you have a standard 
> installation )
> 3. Open up /Applications/MAMP/conf/apache/httpd.conf
> 4. Find the  section and just before 
> the  you add:
> AddHandler livecode-script .lc
> Action livecode-script /livecode-cgi/livecode-server
> NOTE: IF your have the community server you should replace livecode-server 
> with livecode-community-server
> 5. Just after  add a new line with:
> ScriptAlias /livecode-cgi/livecode-server 
> /Applications/MAMP/cgi-bin/livecode-server
> Again replace livecode-server with livecode-community-server if you use the 
> community version.
> 6. Now if you restart MAMP and add a .lc file into your web folder and tries 
> to access it, you will se a prompt that says that livecode-server can’t be 
> trusted with no options to allow.
> 7. To allow unnotarized applications under MacOS you need to right-click the 
> application and select open. You will then get a prompt where you have an 
> “Open” button. If you click that you will get another prompt asking for an 
> admin user and password. Fill in and continue.
> 8. Now you finally have to repeat the procedure for every lib (i.e. every 
> file in the drivers and the externals folder. But if you do them in 
> succession you will probably not get the admin prompt more than once.
> 9. Now you should have a local web development under MAMP with livecode 
> server up and running!
> 
> There is also a command line option for point 7 (and 8) above and that is to 
> use:
> spctl --add /Applications/MAMP/cgi-bin/livecode-server
> You will get the same prompt for admin user unless you do
> sudo spctl …
> 
> So, no there is no excuse for not starting to use LiveCode for your next web 
> project ;)
> 
> Happy Coding!
> 
> :-Håkan
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Re: LiveCode Server Under MAMP

[Rick Harrison via use-livecode]

Did you get MAMP to work with SSL?

If you do, let me know as then you might catch my interest.

Thanks,

Rick

> On May 27, 2020, at 11:44 AM, Håkan Liljegren via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Ouch,
> 
> Hit send to early, new try:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I was trying to get LiveCode server up and running under MAMP in macOS 
> Catalina and if anyone is interested. This is what I did to get it running.
> 
> 1. Download and unpack LiveCode Server
> 2. Move livecode-server, drivers folder and externals folder into the cgi-bin 
> folder in MAMP. ( /Applications/MAMP/cgi-bin if you have a standard 
> installation )
> 3. Open up /Applications/MAMP/conf/apache/httpd.conf
> 4. Find the  section and just before 
> the  you add:
> AddHandler livecode-script .lc
> Action livecode-script /livecode-cgi/livecode-server
> NOTE: IF your have the community server you should replace livecode-server 
> with livecode-community-server
> 5. Just after  add a new line with:
> ScriptAlias /livecode-cgi/livecode-server 
> /Applications/MAMP/cgi-bin/livecode-server
> Again replace livecode-server with livecode-community-server if you use the 
> community version.
> 6. Now if you restart MAMP and add a .lc file into your web folder and tries 
> to access it, you will se a prompt that says that livecode-server can’t be 
> trusted with no options to allow.
> 7. To allow unnotarized applications under MacOS you need to right-click the 
> application and select open. You will then get a prompt where you have an 
> “Open” button. If you click that you will get another prompt asking for an 
> admin user and password. Fill in and continue.
> 8. Now you finally have to repeat the procedure for every lib (i.e. every 
> file in the drivers and the externals folder. But if you do them in 
> succession you will probably not get the admin prompt more than once.
> 9. Now you should have a local web development under MAMP with livecode 
> server up and running!
> 
> There is also a command line option for point 7 (and 8) above and that is to 
> use:
> spctl --add /Applications/MAMP/cgi-bin/livecode-server
> You will get the same prompt for admin user unless you do
> sudo spctl …
> 
> So, no there is no excuse for not starting to use LiveCode for your next web 
> project ;)
> 
> Happy Coding!
> 
> :-Håkan
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LiveCode Server Under MAMP

[Håkan Liljegren via use-livecode]

Ouch,

Hit send to early, new try:

Hi,

I was trying to get LiveCode server up and running under MAMP in macOS Catalina 
and if anyone is interested. This is what I did to get it running.

1. Download and unpack LiveCode Server
2. Move livecode-server, drivers folder and externals folder into the cgi-bin 
folder in MAMP. ( /Applications/MAMP/cgi-bin if you have a standard 
installation )
3. Open up /Applications/MAMP/conf/apache/httpd.conf
4. Find the  section and just before the 
 you add:
AddHandler livecode-script .lc
Action livecode-script /livecode-cgi/livecode-server
NOTE: IF your have the community server you should replace livecode-server with 
livecode-community-server
5. Just after  add a new line with:
ScriptAlias /livecode-cgi/livecode-server 
/Applications/MAMP/cgi-bin/livecode-server
Again replace livecode-server with livecode-community-server if you use the 
community version.
6. Now if you restart MAMP and add a .lc file into your web folder and tries to 
access it, you will se a prompt that says that livecode-server can’t be trusted 
with no options to allow.
7. To allow unnotarized applications under MacOS you need to right-click the 
application and select open. You will then get a prompt where you have an 
“Open” button. If you click that you will get another prompt asking for an 
admin user and password. Fill in and continue.
8. Now you finally have to repeat the procedure for every lib (i.e. every file 
in the drivers and the externals folder. But if you do them in succession you 
will probably not get the admin prompt more than once.
9. Now you should have a local web development under MAMP with livecode server 
up and running!

There is also a command line option for point 7 (and 8) above and that is to 
use:
spctl --add /Applications/MAMP/cgi-bin/livecode-server
You will get the same prompt for admin user unless you do
sudo spctl …

So, no there is no excuse for not starting to use LiveCode for your next web 
project ;)

Happy Coding!

:-Håkan
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LiveCode Server not notarized?

[Håkan Liljegren via use-livecode]

Hi,

I was trying to get LiveCode server up and running under MAMP in macOS Catalina 
and if anyone is interested. This is what I did to get it running.

1. Download and unpack LiveCode Server
2. Move livecode-server, drivers folder and externals folder into the cgi-bin 
folder in MAMP. ( /Applications/MAMP/cgi-bin if you have a standard 
installation )
3. Open up /Applications/MAMP/conf/apache/httpd.conf
4. Find the  section and just before the 
 you add:
AddHandler livecode-script .lc
Action livecode-script /livecode-cgi/livecode-server

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Re: Recommended (simple) Linux distro for Livecode server home dev/test?

[John McKenzie via use-livecode]

 Hello, Kieth.

 My health problems have kept me from really participating on the list
for a long time but I stayed as I want to get back to using Livecode at
some point. Your question about linux distros for server use on old
hardware though is something I can comment on.

 Sorry I did not post this earlier before you more or less made a
decision. At first I though the suggestions made were terrible because
you said it was old hardware. Then I realized the problem is I am old
and the others who responded were not picturing machines from the mid
1990's unlike me.

 I would go along with the suggestions made, especially the Lubuntu one
assuming your hardware can handle it. If it cannot please post a
follow up with an idea of how old your hardware is and I will make some
specific recommendations. Let us hope your machine is not so old we
start talking about Slackware installations but if we do I will get you
some help with it. :-)

 The best way to make Ubuntu more efficient is to use a desktop
environment (DE) that is less fancy and therefore less resource
intensive. (Any flavour of Ubuntu can make use of any DE just by
installing some extra software packages. Keep that in mind if you for
some reason need to change the DE.)

 We could make the system even more efficient by starting with a base
Debian install and building it up piece by piece to what you need.
(Ubuntu is Debian based by the way.) Not as newbie friendly as
installing Lubuntu but not hard either. Just something I am throwing
out there as a backup plan. We can discuss it if you need it, but you
will probably be OK with trying Lubuntu, etc.

 Good luck. Post a follow up if your hardware cannot handle the initial
suggestions and we discuss other options.



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Re: Recommended (simple) Linux distro for Livecode server home dev/test?

[Keith Clarke via use-livecode]

Great, thanks - to all who responded - nothing quite like a shortlist of one to 
ease decision-making! :)

Time to have a play...
Best,
Keith..

>> On 9 May 2020, at 20:01, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Keith Clarke wrote:
>> Hi folks,
>> Which distro(s) would you recommend for a Linux newbie as the easiest
>> way to repurpose an old PC, Mac Laptop or Mini to host Livecode Server
>> for lightweight ‘LAMP/LAML' dev/test dabbling?
>> I’ve never had a Linux desktop machine and server-wise, never had to
>> delve below C-Panel & WHM on hosted VPS Linux environments - so am
>> very much the newbie on this.
> 
> Ubuntu, without question.
> 
> There many great distros, and I don't think there is a single "best". But 
> Ubuntu has by far the largest installed base, so most of the tutorials and 
> other support materials you'll find are written with Ubuntu in mind.
> 
> This is especially true on servers. Heck, even on Microsoft's Azure cloud 
> ecosystem. Ubuntu is the leading OS.
> 
> Desktop:
> https://ubuntu.com/download/desktop
> 
> Server:
> https://ubuntu.com/download/server
> 
> You may change later; some folks like to distro-hop often. But the vast range 
> of support materials makes Ubuntu the go-to starting point for getting into 
> Linux.
> 
> 
>> Hardware specs would be useful, too - to gauge how far back on the
>> cupboard to reach to source an appropriate box!
> 
> You can check the requirements at the site, but you probably don't need to 
> worry about it.  If it's for a sever you won't need the GUI desktop edition, 
> and it's the desktop where requirements tend to be much higher.  There's a 
> flavor of Ubuntu for everything from Raspberry Pi to supercomputing clusters 
> - you should have no trouble finding one for your old PCs. The Server edition 
> should get you up and running on just about any machine made in the last 10 
> years or more.
> 
> 
> If you want a GUI desktop edition and have an old machine that's a bit 
> underpowered for Ubuntu, there's a lightweight flavor you can use:
> 
> https://lubuntu.net/
> 
> Lubuntu is the leanest Ubuntu flavor I've tried.  It's been running on my 
> desk almost continuously for the last decade, downloading, collating, and 
> posting data for the info you see in LiveNet (see the GoLiveNet plugin in 
> LC's Plugins menu).
> 
> I prefer Ubuntu's Gnome Shell for my main workstation, but on lower-powered 
> machines I've been impressed with how efficiently Lubuntu runs.
> 
> -- 
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Systems
> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
> 
> ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com
> 
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Re: Recommended (simple) Linux distro for Livecode server home dev/test?

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 5/9/20 6:46 AM, Keith Clarke via use-livecode wrote:

Hi folks,
Which distro(s) would you recommend for a Linux newbie as the easiest way to 
repurpose an old PC, Mac Laptop or Mini to host Livecode Server for lightweight 
‘LAMP/LAML' dev/test dabbling?

I’ve never had a Linux desktop machine and server-wise, never had to delve below 
C-Panel & WHM on hosted VPS Linux environments - so am very much the newbie on 
this.

Hardware specs would be useful, too - to gauge how far back on the cupboard to 
reach to source an appropriate box!


Agreed that it's Ubuntu. Shouldn't have to worry about the hardware 
specs, but do note that the LC release notes limit the "officially 
supported" Ubuntu versions to 14.04 and 16.04, if that matters to you 
(hint: it shouldn't).



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Re: Recommended (simple) Linux distro for Livecode server home dev/test?

[JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode]

i would use Ubuntu server as there is much info about it

on HowtoForge.com are very nice tutorials on how to setup Linux servers 
for several distributions of your choice.


You can use these to set up a VPS, but also a Laptop or whatever to use 
as a server.




Op 9-5-2020 om 15:46 schreef Keith Clarke via use-livecode:

Hi folks,
Which distro(s) would you recommend for a Linux newbie as the easiest way to 
repurpose an old PC, Mac Laptop or Mini to host Livecode Server for lightweight 
‘LAMP/LAML' dev/test dabbling?

I’ve never had a Linux desktop machine and server-wise, never had to delve below 
C-Panel & WHM on hosted VPS Linux environments - so am very much the newbie on 
this.

Hardware specs would be useful, too - to gauge how far back on the cupboard to 
reach to source an appropriate box!

Thanks & regards,
Keith
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Re: Recommended (simple) Linux distro for Livecode server home dev/test?

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Keith Clarke wrote:
> Hi folks,
> Which distro(s) would you recommend for a Linux newbie as the easiest
> way to repurpose an old PC, Mac Laptop or Mini to host Livecode Server
> for lightweight ‘LAMP/LAML' dev/test dabbling?
>
> I’ve never had a Linux desktop machine and server-wise, never had to
> delve below C-Panel & WHM on hosted VPS Linux environments - so am
> very much the newbie on this.

Ubuntu, without question.

There many great distros, and I don't think there is a single "best". 
But Ubuntu has by far the largest installed base, so most of the 
tutorials and other support materials you'll find are written with 
Ubuntu in mind.


This is especially true on servers. Heck, even on Microsoft's Azure 
cloud ecosystem. Ubuntu is the leading OS.


Desktop:
https://ubuntu.com/download/desktop

Server:
https://ubuntu.com/download/server

You may change later; some folks like to distro-hop often. But the vast 
range of support materials makes Ubuntu the go-to starting point for 
getting into Linux.



> Hardware specs would be useful, too - to gauge how far back on the
> cupboard to reach to source an appropriate box!

You can check the requirements at the site, but you probably don't need 
to worry about it.  If it's for a sever you won't need the GUI desktop 
edition, and it's the desktop where requirements tend to be much higher. 
 There's a flavor of Ubuntu for everything from Raspberry Pi to 
supercomputing clusters - you should have no trouble finding one for 
your old PCs. The Server edition should get you up and running on just 
about any machine made in the last 10 years or more.



If you want a GUI desktop edition and have an old machine that's a bit 
underpowered for Ubuntu, there's a lightweight flavor you can use:


https://lubuntu.net/

Lubuntu is the leanest Ubuntu flavor I've tried.  It's been running on 
my desk almost continuously for the last decade, downloading, collating, 
and posting data for the info you see in LiveNet (see the GoLiveNet 
plugin in LC's Plugins menu).


I prefer Ubuntu's Gnome Shell for my main workstation, but on 
lower-powered machines I've been impressed with how efficiently Lubuntu 
runs.


--
 Richard Gaskin
 Fourth World Systems
 Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
 
 ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com


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Recommended (simple) Linux distro for Livecode server home dev/test?

[Keith Clarke via use-livecode]

Hi folks,
Which distro(s) would you recommend for a Linux newbie as the easiest way to 
repurpose an old PC, Mac Laptop or Mini to host Livecode Server for lightweight 
‘LAMP/LAML' dev/test dabbling?

I’ve never had a Linux desktop machine and server-wise, never had to delve 
below C-Panel & WHM on hosted VPS Linux environments - so am very much the 
newbie on this.

Hardware specs would be useful, too - to gauge how far back on the cupboard to 
reach to source an appropriate box!  

Thanks & regards,
Keith   
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Livecode Server - Email

[Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode]

I have a email CGI from a very old cgi for the days when "revolution" was the 
server

Now with LiveCode server, Ubuntu 18+  does have 

/usr/sbin/sendmail

installed, at least I see that, but this old process does not work

put "/usr/sbin/sendmail -t" into mprocess
open process mprocess for write
write "From:" && (urlDecode (tDataIn["from"]))& cr to process mprocess
write "To:" &&   tRecipients  &  cr to process mprocess
write "Subject:" &&   (urlDecode (tDataIn["subject"]))   &  cr & cr to 
process mprocess
write(urlDecode (tDataIn["body"])) &  cr to process mprocess
close process mprocess   
if the result is not empty then 
 put the result into tResponse
else 
put tResponse
end if

I think we don't use "open process" anymore. What is the LiveCode server method 
now?

BR


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Re: LiveCode Server

[Ralf Bitter via use-livecode]

Thanks for the info Todd. This explains why I had
an issue on Mac OS. I once added the directive to .htaccess.

Ralf


> On 19. Oct 2019, at 06:08, Todd Fabacher via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> GOOD NEWS - Got it to work. Someone should take note an issue with
> Apache 2 and LiveCode server
> 
> SetEnvIf Authorization "(.*)" HTTP_AUTHORIZATION=$1
> 
> For Linux in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
> 
> For Mac (using Homebrew) in /usr/local/etc/httpd/httpd.conf
> 
> Adding this to .htaccess didn't work for some reason - only Apache
> config worked:
> RewriteEngine On
> RewriteCond %{HTTP:Authorization} ^(.*)
> RewriteRule .* - [e=HTTP_AUTHORIZATION:%1]
> 
> --Todd & Lagi


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Re: LiveCode Server

[Jjs via use-livecode]

I meant the pre-last message at the lesson on how to install lc server on linux 
server. A very good explanation.

Jjs via use-livecode  schreef op 19 oktober 2019 
14:10:19 CEST:
>Follow the pre-last message too, which describes how to install with
>latest apache 2.x, don't mess with Apache 2.conf. the lesson should
>updated as it is no longer valid.
>
>Todd Fabacher via use-livecode  schreef
>op 19 oktober 2019 06:08:03 CEST:
>>GOOD NEWS - Got it to work. Someone should take note an issue with
>>Apache 2 and LiveCode server
>>
>>SetEnvIf Authorization "(.*)" HTTP_AUTHORIZATION=$1
>>
>>For Linux in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
>>
>>For Mac (using Homebrew) in /usr/local/etc/httpd/httpd.conf
>>
>>Adding this to .htaccess didn't work for some reason - only Apache
>>config worked:
>>RewriteEngine On
>>RewriteCond %{HTTP:Authorization} ^(.*)
>>RewriteRule .* - [e=HTTP_AUTHORIZATION:%1]
>>
>>--Todd & Lagi
>>
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Re: LiveCode Server

[Jjs via use-livecode]

Follow the pre-last message too, which describes how to install with latest 
apache 2.x, don't mess with Apache 2.conf. the lesson should updated as it is 
no longer valid.

Todd Fabacher via use-livecode  schreef op 19 
oktober 2019 06:08:03 CEST:
>GOOD NEWS - Got it to work. Someone should take note an issue with
>Apache 2 and LiveCode server
>
>SetEnvIf Authorization "(.*)" HTTP_AUTHORIZATION=$1
>
>For Linux in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
>
>For Mac (using Homebrew) in /usr/local/etc/httpd/httpd.conf
>
>Adding this to .htaccess didn't work for some reason - only Apache
>config worked:
>RewriteEngine On
>RewriteCond %{HTTP:Authorization} ^(.*)
>RewriteRule .* - [e=HTTP_AUTHORIZATION:%1]
>
>--Todd & Lagi
>
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