Re: The Most Stupid Question Ever?
Details on how the Message Box behaves, which explains the seeming anomaly and is perhaps just fun to know (esp. if you ever want to write a drop-in Message Box replacement): https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=9=34903#p198108 -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: The Most Stupid Question Ever?
The message box is not a container. It’s a stack. A stack that tracks global properties, global variables, pending messages and stacks in use actively. It stands to reason then that it has to be either in the message path somehow. I’m not sure how that affects things, but I have noticed while attempting to track the contents of variables while a script was executing buy putting values in the msg that it doesn’t update until idle irregardless of whether I issue a wait or no, unless I use with messages. Bob S On Nov 11, 2020, at 3:04 AM, David V Glasgow via use-livecode mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote: So then LC knows when the message box is about to be the target, and therefore acts differently than with any other container. The actual already executed command "put" is left stranded, unrequited, because the next line in sequence, not yet executed, has foreknowledge that the upcoming target is the message box, and is girding itself to access it?? ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: The Most Stupid Question Ever?
> On 10 Nov 2020, at 11:14 pm, Craig newman via use-livecode > wrote: > > So then LC knows when the message box is about to be the target, and > therefore acts differently than with any other container. The actual already > executed command "put" is left stranded, unrequited, because the next line > in sequence, not yet executed, has foreknowledge that the upcoming target > is the message box, and is girding itself to access it?? "Spooky action at a distance"? ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: The Most Stupid Question Ever?
I vaguely remember long time, many moons, this came up. The upshot of the conversation is that because the message box is a stack file in it’s own right, certain features would only work this way, or it would interfere with other things if it didn’t work this way. I dunno, it was all all so hazy back then, what with having to watch for dinosaurs and large predators with teeth like swords. Bob S > On Nov 10, 2020, at 12:03 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode > wrote: > > Ah! That would have to mean that script interaction with the message box is > using send in time! > > Bob S > > > On Nov 10, 2020, at 10:58 AM, Craig newman via use-livecode > mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote: > > Not stupid. Wierder than you think. > > Substitute "field 1" for the message box. Works just fine, like it ought to. > > Craig > > -Original Message- > From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf > Of Bob Sneidar via use-livecode > Sent: Monday, November 09, 2020 12:04 PM > To: How to use LiveCode > mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> > Cc: Bob Sneidar > mailto:bobsnei...@iotecdigital.com>> > Subject: Re: The Most Stupid Question Ever? > > I have seen this sort of thing before with the wait command. Very > frustrating. Apparently Livecode is not *strictly* single threaded. > > Bob S > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
RE: The Most Stupid Question Ever?
"Send in time". Hmmm So the line "put start" is actually delayed until after the wait command, er, starts, and gets stuck there? And if one uses "wait with messages" that stuck command can worm its way out and back into play? So then LC knows when the message box is about to be the target, and therefore acts differently than with any other container. The actual already executed command "put" is left stranded, unrequited, because the next line in sequence, not yet executed, has foreknowledge that the upcoming target is the message box, and is girding itself to access it?? Odd. Craig -Original Message- From: Craig newman [mailto:cr...@starfirelighting.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 5:35 PM To: 'How to use LiveCode' Subject: RE: The Most Stupid Question Ever? I am switching between the forum discussion about this and here. The plain old wait command, (without "with messages") works fine when the target field is on another stack. So it not the fact that the field is not "local". There is something about the message box itself, ostensibly just a stack, that matters. This is not the first time that msg has been caught acting oddly. I am actually gratified to know that LC works "normally", as long as msg is not in the mix. Craig -Original Message- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Roger Guay via use-livecode Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 3:55 PM To: How to use LiveCode Cc: Roger Guay Subject: Re: The Most Stupid Question Ever? Weirder of Weider??? R > On Nov 10, 2020, at 12:03 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: > > Wierder than you think. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
RE: The Most Stupid Question Ever?
I am switching between the forum discussion about this and here. The plain old wait command, (without "with messages") works fine when the target field is on another stack. So it not the fact that the field is not "local". There is something about the message box itself, ostensibly just a stack, that matters. This is not the first time that msg has been caught acting oddly. I am actually gratified to know that LC works "normally", as long as msg is not in the mix. Craig -Original Message- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Roger Guay via use-livecode Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 3:55 PM To: How to use LiveCode Cc: Roger Guay Subject: Re: The Most Stupid Question Ever? Weirder of Weider??? R > On Nov 10, 2020, at 12:03 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: > > Wierder than you think. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: The Most Stupid Question Ever?
Weirder of Weider??? R > On Nov 10, 2020, at 12:03 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode > wrote: > > Wierder than you think. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: The Most Stupid Question Ever?
Ah! That would have to mean that script interaction with the message box is using send in time! Bob S On Nov 10, 2020, at 10:58 AM, Craig newman via use-livecode mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote: Not stupid. Wierder than you think. Substitute "field 1" for the message box. Works just fine, like it ought to. Craig -Original Message- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Bob Sneidar via use-livecode Sent: Monday, November 09, 2020 12:04 PM To: How to use LiveCode mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> Cc: Bob Sneidar mailto:bobsnei...@iotecdigital.com>> Subject: Re: The Most Stupid Question Ever? I have seen this sort of thing before with the wait command. Very frustrating. Apparently Livecode is not *strictly* single threaded. Bob S ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
RE: The Most Stupid Question Ever?
Not stupid. Wierder than you think. Substitute "field 1" for the message box. Works just fine, like it ought to. Craig -Original Message- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Bob Sneidar via use-livecode Sent: Monday, November 09, 2020 12:04 PM To: How to use LiveCode Cc: Bob Sneidar Subject: Re: The Most Stupid Question Ever? I have seen this sort of thing before with the wait command. Very frustrating. Apparently Livecode is not *strictly* single threaded. Bob S > On Nov 8, 2020, at 22:31 , Roger Guay via use-livecode > wrote: > > Thank you, Mark. You’re very kind! And very helpful. I do remember now how > one needs to wait with messages. > > Roger > >> On Nov 8, 2020, at 9:05 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode >> wrote: >> >> On 11/8/20 8:02 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote: >>> On 11/8/20 6:57 PM, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote: >>>> Please tell me why this doesn’t work: >> >> ...and that is, btw, hardly a stupid question. >> You want stupid you'll have to get in line after me. >> >> -- >> Mark Wieder >> ahsoftw...@gmail.com >> >> ___ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: The Most Stupid Question Ever?
I have seen this sort of thing before with the wait command. Very frustrating. Apparently Livecode is not *strictly* single threaded. Bob S > On Nov 8, 2020, at 22:31 , Roger Guay via use-livecode > wrote: > > Thank you, Mark. You’re very kind! And very helpful. I do remember now how > one needs to wait with messages. > > Roger > >> On Nov 8, 2020, at 9:05 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode >> wrote: >> >> On 11/8/20 8:02 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote: >>> On 11/8/20 6:57 PM, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote: Please tell me why this doesn’t work: >> >> ...and that is, btw, hardly a stupid question. >> You want stupid you'll have to get in line after me. >> >> -- >> Mark Wieder >> ahsoftw...@gmail.com >> >> ___ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: The Most Stupid Question Ever?
Thank you, Mark. You’re very kind! And very helpful. I do remember now how one needs to wait with messages. Roger > On Nov 8, 2020, at 9:05 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode > wrote: > > On 11/8/20 8:02 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote: >> On 11/8/20 6:57 PM, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote: >>> Please tell me why this doesn’t work: > > ...and that is, btw, hardly a stupid question. > You want stupid you'll have to get in line after me. > > -- > Mark Wieder > ahsoftw...@gmail.com > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: The Most Stupid Question Ever?
On 11/8/20 8:02 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote: On 11/8/20 6:57 PM, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote: Please tell me why this doesn’t work: ...and that is, btw, hardly a stupid question. You want stupid you'll have to get in line after me. -- Mark Wieder ahsoftw...@gmail.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: The Most Stupid Question Ever?
On 11/8/20 6:57 PM, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote: Please tell me why this doesn’t work: on mouseUp put "start" wait for 5 seconds put "stop" end mouseUp “start” never appears in the message box and after 5 seconds, “stop” appears The wait command is blocking anything else from happening (like updating the messagebox). After five seconds the messagebox gets "start" followed immediately by "stop". To allow events to happen while waiting try on mouseUp put "start" wait for 5 seconds with messages put "stop" end mouseUp -- Mark Wieder ahsoftw...@gmail.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
