Re: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?

2018-01-17 Thread Graham Samuel via use-livecode
There are several reports, which Panos has now combined into one (18363). The 
idea of changing the arrangement of the two monitors in the System Prefs so 
that the tops are aligned is a pretty sad workaround, because of course the 
System Prefs settings are supposed to reflect the monitor positions in the real 
world, and there are many arrangements where the tops wouldn’t be aligned 
(typically a laptop on a desk with an external monitor on a stand, so naturally 
higher). If the settings don’t mimic the real world, it’s really hard to move 
the mouse around from screen to screen in a realistic way. So I really hope it 
gets fixed soon.

Graham

> On 17 Jan 2018, at 18:33, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> panagiotis merakos wrote:
> 
> > Just to add that when you change the arrangement of the two monitors
> > in the System Prefs so as their tops are aligned, it might be worth to
> > reset your LC Prefs as well after that, as it might be the case that
> > some stacks have kept their *old* rect Prefs (i.e. *before* the
> > monitors' arrangement changed), so they might now appear offscreen.
> 
> Is this known issue being addressed in the IDE?  If not currently, should 
> someone here who's experienced this submit a bug report?
> 
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Re: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?

2018-01-17 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode

panagiotis merakos wrote:

> Just to add that when you change the arrangement of the two monitors
> in the System Prefs so as their tops are aligned, it might be worth to
> reset your LC Prefs as well after that, as it might be the case that
> some stacks have kept their *old* rect Prefs (i.e. *before* the
> monitors' arrangement changed), so they might now appear offscreen.

Is this known issue being addressed in the IDE?  If not currently, 
should someone here who's experienced this submit a bug report?


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Re: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?

2018-01-17 Thread panagiotis merakos via use-livecode
Just to add that when you change the arrangement of the two monitors in the
System Prefs so as their tops are aligned, it might be worth to reset your
LC Prefs as well after that, as it might be the case that some stacks have
kept their *old* rect Prefs (i.e. *before* the monitors' arrangement
changed), so they might now appear offscreen.

Best,
Panos
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On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 4:12 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> That is my experience as well, although it takes some getting used to when
> moving the mouse from one monitor to the other, because the mouse and
> anything you are dragging doesn't appear where you expect it naturally
> should. It bugged me so much that I wrote handlers to record the stack
> positions each time a stack was closed, and then restored them next time
> they were opened. I also have a Center Window menu option on a custom
> development menu I made.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Jan 13, 2018, at 08:55 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > It isn't the physical position of the monitors, it's how you arrange
> them in the Mac control panel. This allows you to set the virtual position
> of the two displays relative to each other. If I remember right, problems
> are avoided if you drag the two monitor images so that the tops are
> horizontally aligned.
> >
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Re: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?

2018-01-17 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
That is my experience as well, although it takes some getting used to when 
moving the mouse from one monitor to the other, because the mouse and anything 
you are dragging doesn't appear where you expect it naturally should. It bugged 
me so much that I wrote handlers to record the stack positions each time a 
stack was closed, and then restored them next time they were opened. I also 
have a Center Window menu option on a custom development menu I made. 

Bob S


> On Jan 13, 2018, at 08:55 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> It isn't the physical position of the monitors, it's how you arrange them in 
> the Mac control panel. This allows you to set the virtual position of the two 
> displays relative to each other. If I remember right, problems are avoided if 
> you drag the two monitor images so that the tops are horizontally aligned.
> 
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Re: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?

2018-01-17 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
I believe this is a known issue. A workaround is to set the rect of your stack 
to the screenRect on preOpenStack in the card script of the first card. 

Bob S


> On Jan 14, 2018, at 12:38 , MWCM via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have an issue that isn’t exactly the same but may be related. Seldom do I 
> work on two monitors, but my display configuration is constantly changing.  
> My primary development machine is a 15” Retina MacBook Pro. The main project 
> I work on is a large stack (iPhone 7 native resolution) stack that I work 
> with at a scaleFactor of 0.5 so it fits on my internal Retina display and 
> doesn’t take too much screen real estate on the external. 
> 
> When on-the-go, I use the Retina display in the “almost largest display” 
> setting (not the far right biggest resolution option and not the middle 
> recommended option). 
> 
> When in the office I work docked (laptop closed) and connect the laptop to an 
> external keyboard/mouse and external 4K display (via mini DisplayPort) and 
> sometimes also a 1080i (via HDMI). When docked, I NEVER use the built-in 
> display.
> 
> Every time I launch that stack, the top of the stack is off the top of my 
> screen. Doesn’t matter what display setup I’m using, I always have to open 
> the stack inspector and change the Y position of the stack so the whole thing 
> appears on my screen. 
> 
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Re: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?

2018-01-15 Thread Dave Kilroy via use-livecode
Hi all - this is how I arrange my screens (also pretty much how they are
physically)

 

I'm running a 2014 15" mbp on High Sierra and my two external monitors are
the special LG 5k ones (with thunderbolt 2 to 3 adapters). No dead spots as
regards mouse movements or clicks

The only thing I find I need to do as regards LC is if I have the big
monitors attached and have previously used LC with only the mbp screen, I
need to right-click the LC icon on the dock, choose options and set the desk
space to 'display 1' before setting it to 'display 3' (where I usually place
my LC). I also need to give the script editor a bit of TLC if the previous
time I opened it was on the mbp screen

set the topleft of stack "revNewScriptEditor 1" to 200,200
set the loc of stack "revNewScriptEditor 1" to the screenloc

These commands in the message box usually reveal the script editor (in the
mbp screen) which I just then drag over, the next time I open LC the script
editor knows where to be and everything is ok. Err occasionally even message
box stuff won't reveal the script editor, in which case I save the app I'm
working on anyway, close and restart LC and it's sorted itself out.

PS: I don't have the tops of the monitors aligned so that mouse movements
between my mbp screen and the big screens doesn't involve a vertical 'jump'
in screen space 



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Re: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?

2018-01-14 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
You should see what happens with three monitors on version 9

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On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 10:34 PM, Kay C Lan via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I should have also noted that I didn't see the problem with a small
> misalignment of the tops in the Display Preference Pane; the tops had
> to be quite far apart. Also, what was strange was that just because
> the additional monitors may have been set to above the central MBP in
> the Display Preference Pane, it didn't always result in an 'offset
> high' situation - the Click occurring above the visible position of
> the Mouse. Sometimes it was offset high, sometimes low.
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Re: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?

2018-01-14 Thread Kay C Lan via use-livecode
I should have also noted that I didn't see the problem with a small
misalignment of the tops in the Display Preference Pane; the tops had
to be quite far apart. Also, what was strange was that just because
the additional monitors may have been set to above the central MBP in
the Display Preference Pane, it didn't always result in an 'offset
high' situation - the Click occurring above the visible position of
the Mouse. Sometimes it was offset high, sometimes low.

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Re: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?

2018-01-14 Thread Kay C Lan via use-livecode
On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 11:14 PM, Graham Samuel via use-livecode
 wrote:
>
> This is the essence of the issue - there may be other variants with the Tool 
> palette etc but I’m trying to keep it simple.
>
After some testing I can confirm it's exactly the same as the Tool
Palette problem related to the tops of monitors not being aligned in
the Display Preference Pane. I typically use 2 additional monitors.

My set up is:

Main screen (middle) 15" MBP Retina set to 1920 x 1200
Left Monitor 21" Samsung SyncMaster set to 1440 x 900 (default)
Right Monitor 24" Benq set to 1920 x 1080 (default)

The MBP is running 10.11.6
I do NOT use the Spaces feature of OS X
LC 9.0.0 dp 11

Graham, when you see this, open the Tool Palette (TP), move it so it's
directly adjacent to the PB with the tops aligned. As you move the
mouse over the TP you'll notice that the wrong icons will highlite. So
for instance in one test I did, I had the mouse over the 'Player'
icon, yet the 'Clock' icon highlited (offset high). In another test I
had the mouse over the 'Pointer tool' yet the 'Check Box' icon
highlited (offset low).  With this knowledge you can easily get the PB
to work. Move the mouse over the TP until an icon horizontally aligned
with the +/- icon (or any of the Tree view objects listed) is
highlited, then move the mouse horizontally into the PB until it's
directly above/below the +/- icon (or any other object listed) and
Click. The offset of where the click actually occurs in comparison to
where the mouse visibly is is exactly the same in the PB as the TP.

Of course this is a silly way to work. The whole lot can be fixed
simply as others have pointed out, align the tops of the monitors in
the Display Preference Pane.

I just wanted to prove it's the same issue.

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Re: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?

2018-01-14 Thread Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode
Mark wrote:

screenRects: the first is primary and the rest are relative to that.  Any 
engine issue will likely be to do with those rects as that is the basis of its 
display coord to LiveCode coord mapping.

with screenrects at

0,0,3440,1440
-1440,0,0,900

tops are aligned… and …hmmm… things are working now.

on the MacBook "little" monitor. Let's hope this remains true.   will test 
later with screens shifted… Or possibly setting screen sharing in SKYPE messes 
internally with the OS screen coords… 

TBD

BR








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use-livecode"  wrote:



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Re: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?

2018-01-14 Thread Graham Samuel via use-livecode
Not to go into detail, but I have not seen any problems using two monitors with 
a variety of mainstream Mac software, e.g Photoshop Elements, Pages, MS Word, 
MS Excel, Transmit etc etc. Maybe I’m just lucky, but it’s certainly LC that’s 
giving me the biggest headache at the moment. Good tip about the prefs - thanks

Graham

> On 14 Jan 2018, at 20:27, Paul Hibbert via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
[snip…]

> My thought are; from my experience this isn’t just a LC issue, the 
> quality/type of adapter may help, keeping the Mac MenuBar on the Mac seems to 
> be more stable and it doesn’t seem to affect the way most apps work AFAICS, 
> keeping the tops of the Displays aligned in the Prefs pane also helps 
> especially in LC, some apps just don’t support dual/multiple monitors well. 
> My final observation is switching the display options around with LC open can 
> really screw up it's prefs!
> 
> Paul


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Re: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?

2018-01-14 Thread MWCM via use-livecode
I have an issue that isn’t exactly the same but may be related. Seldom do I 
work on two monitors, but my display configuration is constantly changing.  My 
primary development machine is a 15” Retina MacBook Pro. The main project I 
work on is a large stack (iPhone 7 native resolution) stack that I work with at 
a scaleFactor of 0.5 so it fits on my internal Retina display and doesn’t take 
too much screen real estate on the external. 

When on-the-go, I use the Retina display in the “almost largest display” 
setting (not the far right biggest resolution option and not the middle 
recommended option). 

When in the office I work docked (laptop closed) and connect the laptop to an 
external keyboard/mouse and external 4K display (via mini DisplayPort) and 
sometimes also a 1080i (via HDMI). When docked, I NEVER use the built-in 
display.

Every time I launch that stack, the top of the stack is off the top of my 
screen. Doesn’t matter what display setup I’m using, I always have to open the 
stack inspector and change the Y position of the stack so the whole thing 
appears on my screen. 

--Andrew Bell
--Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?

2018-01-14 Thread Paul Hibbert via use-livecode
Just to add to the mix, I have been using a two monitor system for many years, 
I now have an iMac (Retina 4K, 21.5-inch, 2017) connected to an Eizo ColorEdge 
CG 241W, the iMac is 4096 x 2304 and the Eizo is 1920 x 1200, both driven by 
the same Radeon Pro 560 4 GB card. Both monitors are set to default scaling and 
I do normally keep the top edges aligned with the menubar on the iMac screen.

I didn’t see too many problems until I upgraded the iMac from a 2009 model. 
With the new iMac, initially I tried using 2 adaptors to connect the 2nd 
monitor, going from USB-C (Thunderbolt) to Display-Port and then Display-Port 
to DVI, not surprisingly that didn’t work too well. Now I have an after-market 
USB-C to DVI adapter and it has improved no end, looking through the reviews on 
Amazon it seems the quality of the adapter can make a difference. AFAIK Apple 
don’t produce/sell a USB-C to DVI adapter.

I have seen problems with bad alignment of LC stacks if the tops of the screens 
are not aligned in the Display Prefs and I had all sorts of minor problems with 
many different apps if I moved the menu bar to the Eizo or didn’t align the 
tops of the displays, to the point where I almost gave up using a second 
monitor.

Now I keep the tops of the displays aligned and the system MenuBar and LC 
toolbar/toolbox on the iMac and I tend to keep the stack windows on the iMac 
(although not always), I use the Eizo mainly for the Script Editor and 
Dictionary along with the Project Browser and I haven’t seen any major problems 
lately. Occasionally the cursor just disappears, but comes back if I move it to 
the iMac Display or manage to hit the dock at the bottom of the screen, that’s 
not just in LC though.

Problems are definitely not limited to LiveCode, some apps will not work well 
if I attempt to use the second monitor, so I suspect there are some underlying 
OS issues,  possibly from mixing the two different types of display. One of the 
worst apps is Flux 7, it’s almost unusable without some major adjustments to 
the app windows.

After seeing Mark’s last response in this thread I tried a few tests with the 
display arrangements and switching the MenuBar around, everything was working 
as expected until I arranged the bottom of both displays and then tried to 
re-arrange so the tops of the displays aligned (approx the 7th arrangement), 
then the LC revMenuBar ended up in the middle of the iMac display and I 
couldn’t see any response from clicking on the stack, LC toolbox/toolbar or any 
open palette. As soon as I used the message box to reset the position of the 
revMenuBar everything started working again. Then I re-started LC, the 
positions were screwed up again, so I trashed the prefs and all is fine again.

My thought are; from my experience this isn’t just a LC issue, the quality/type 
of adapter may help, keeping the Mac MenuBar on the Mac seems to be more stable 
and it doesn’t seem to affect the way most apps work AFAICS, keeping the tops 
of the Displays aligned in the Prefs pane also helps especially in LC, some 
apps just don’t support dual/multiple monitors well. My final observation is 
switching the display options around with LC open can really screw up it's 
prefs!

Paul


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Re: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?

2018-01-14 Thread Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode
BR: I'm late to this party, but FWIW

Graham wrote: Does anyone else see this or know of any report? 

BR: yes, all the time, no recipe but it's so bad I don't *ever* put any 
liveCode stack on my MacBook Pro monitor -- which is designated as the 
secondary monitor when hooked up to the 31" curved LG giant display. And screen 
sharing is a pain because you want to show the small screen, not the big one, 
but nothing works on the small one.

So often I will try to show some stack or the script editor on the MacBook 
Pro…(designated as secondary) but typically the main symptom is: it is 
non-responsive to mouse events… 

Would love to find a solution. 

@ Mark W.

My screen rects are:

0,0,3440,1440
-1440,0,0,900



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Re: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?

2018-01-14 Thread Mark Waddingham via use-livecode
Apologies - I misread - actually one thing to check here is what 'the 
screenRects' returns. This returns a list of rects representing different 
screens - the first is primary and the rest are relative to that.

Any engine issue will likely be to do with those rects as that is the basis of 
its display coord to LiveCode coord mapping.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 14 Jan 2018, at 16:34, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Mark,
> 
> i did not wrote that i have to Retina displays. I am using an iMAc 5K and a 
> Apple Thunderbolt Display, which is 2560x1440.
> The only difference is that  my displays use different spaces.  That´s an 
> option in Systemcontrol->Mission Control
> 
> Matthias
> 
> 
> 
> Matthias Rebbe
> Tel +49 5741 31
> ‌https://matthiasrebbe.eu ‌
> 
>> Am 14.01.2018 um 15:58 schrieb Mark Waddingham via use-livecode 
>> >:
>> 
>> I wonder if it is the mix between retina and non-retina screens which is 
>> causing the problem.
>> 
>> I notice Mattias mentioned he couldn't reproduce with two retina screens, 
>> but both you and graham have a mixed setup?
>> 
>> Warmest Regards,
>> 
>> Mark.
>> 
>> P.S. There's clearly a problem here in the engine if hit testing on stacks 
>> isn't working correctly.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 14 Jan 2018, at 12:13, Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
>>> > 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Brian
>>> 
>>> Well I tried to line up the tops of the two displays using the Mac Control 
>>> Panel and restarted LC. This did have an interesting effect, in that the 
>>> windows on the monitor are now accepting mouse clicks, but there is still 
>>> some very weird stuff, in particular I have a substack with single card 
>>> (it’s for logging). I am 100% sure that the stack is visible, and its rect 
>>> is well within what I understand to be the available coordinates of the 
>>> combined display, but it doesn’t show up! Changing its loc to the screenloc 
>>> doesn’t do anything either. So there is bad stuff going on here. I’m on a 
>>> deadline so I can’t look any further just now. Might just have time to 
>>> restart my machine with the monitor off, but debugging on a laptop ain’t 
>>> pretty. I suppose I could use the full retina resolution and a magnifying 
>>> glass… annoying.
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> 
>>> Graham
>>> 
 On 13 Jan 2018, at 20:07, Brian Milby > wrote:
 
 @Graham, to determine if the 2 are related to the same underlying issue, 
 you should adjust your monitor layout so that the tops align. If the 
 problem goes away, then they are related (even if not identical). If the 
 problem doesn’t go away, then it is a new issue. That will be something 
 that is good to know when working on this issue.
 On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 11:24 AM Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
  
 >> wrote:
 Yes, of course it’s an OS thing really. I think it’s reasonable to want 
 the Mac control panel configuration to mimic the physical arrangement I 
 actually have. If I don’t do this, I’m always trying to make the mouse go 
 somewhere which the Mac doesn’t see as part of the screen real estate. 
 Since my physical arrangement is that the monitor is higher and to the 
 side of the MacBook, that’s what I’ve set up in the control panel. The 
 fact that this gives problems has clearly got to be a bug.
 
 After looking carefully at the bugs Martin has listed (one of which was 
 raised by me, centuries ago!), I decided to submit a new report: it’s 
 20867. The mother ship may find that they can combine it with 19302, but I 
 will leave that to them.
 
 Graham
 
> On 13 Jan 2018, at 16:55, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>  
>  >> wrote:
> 
> It isn't the physical position of the monitors, it's how you arrange them 
> in the Mac control panel. This allows you to set the virtual position of 
> the two displays relative to each other. If I remember right, problems 
> are avoided if you drag the two monitor images so that the tops are 
> horizontally aligned.
> 
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com 
>   >
> HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com 
>  

Re: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?

2018-01-14 Thread Graham Samuel via use-livecode
Thanks Mark for wading in.

Well, it might be the mixture of screens - in fact I think that may well be it, 
because I have another development configuration with a non-Retina iMac and a 
similar monitor to the one I’ve described, and I have never seen a problem. 
Sadly, that’s about 1000 km South of where I am now, where I’ve got what the 
Retina MacBook setup. I have had to do what I suggested in an earlier email, 
which is start the MacBook with the monitor unplugged, and use the Mac in its 
highest resolution. It’s a bit of a strain on the eyes, but at least I can 
work. Sure would like to have it fixed, though.

Graham

> On 14 Jan 2018, at 14:58, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I wonder if it is the mix between retina and non-retina screens which is 
> causing the problem.
> 
> I notice Mattias mentioned he couldn't reproduce with two retina screens, but 
> both you and graham have a mixed setup?
> 
> Warmest Regards,
> 
> Mark.
> 
> P.S. There's clearly a problem here in the engine if hit testing on stacks 
> isn't working correctly.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 14 Jan 2018, at 12:13, Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Brian
>> 
>> Well I tried to line up the tops of the two displays using the Mac Control 
>> Panel and restarted LC. This did have an interesting effect, in that the 
>> windows on the monitor are now accepting mouse clicks, but there is still 
>> some very weird stuff, in particular I have a substack with single card 
>> (it’s for logging). I am 100% sure that the stack is visible, and its rect 
>> is well within what I understand to be the available coordinates of the 
>> combined display, but it doesn’t show up! Changing its loc to the screenloc 
>> doesn’t do anything either. So there is bad stuff going on here. I’m on a 
>> deadline so I can’t look any further just now. Might just have time to 
>> restart my machine with the monitor off, but debugging on a laptop ain’t 
>> pretty. I suppose I could use the full retina resolution and a magnifying 
>> glass… annoying.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Graham
>> 
>>> On 13 Jan 2018, at 20:07, Brian Milby  wrote:
>>> 
>>> @Graham, to determine if the 2 are related to the same underlying issue, 
>>> you should adjust your monitor layout so that the tops align. If the 
>>> problem goes away, then they are related (even if not identical). If the 
>>> problem doesn’t go away, then it is a new issue. That will be something 
>>> that is good to know when working on this issue.
>>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 11:24 AM Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
>>> > 
>>> wrote:
>>> Yes, of course it’s an OS thing really. I think it’s reasonable to want the 
>>> Mac control panel configuration to mimic the physical arrangement I 
>>> actually have. If I don’t do this, I’m always trying to make the mouse go 
>>> somewhere which the Mac doesn’t see as part of the screen real estate. 
>>> Since my physical arrangement is that the monitor is higher and to the side 
>>> of the MacBook, that’s what I’ve set up in the control panel. The fact that 
>>> this gives problems has clearly got to be a bug.
>>> 
>>> After looking carefully at the bugs Martin has listed (one of which was 
>>> raised by me, centuries ago!), I decided to submit a new report: it’s 
>>> 20867. The mother ship may find that they can combine it with 19302, but I 
>>> will leave that to them.
>>> 
>>> Graham
>>> 
 On 13 Jan 2018, at 16:55, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
 > 
 wrote:
 
 It isn't the physical position of the monitors, it's how you arrange them 
 in the Mac control panel. This allows you to set the virtual position of 
 the two displays relative to each other. If I remember right, problems are 
 avoided if you drag the two monitor images so that the tops are 
 horizontally aligned.
 
 --
 Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com 
 
 HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com 
 
 
 
 
> On January 13, 2018 8:51:59 AM Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
> > 
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Martin - yes I do have a Mac Book Pro Retina, and since it’s 
> normally on my desk with the monitor on a stand, the monitor is above the 
> MacBook as you say. My search for bugs related to this didn’t turn up 
> anything relevant: maybe I don’t understand how to do searches for 
> unresolved bugs in particular areas. Anyway I missed the bugs you 
> mention. Obviously I will now look at them and see what I can contribute.
> 
> Thanks again
> 
> Graham
> 
>> On 13 

Re: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?

2018-01-14 Thread Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode
Mark,

i did not wrote that i have to Retina displays. I am using an iMAc 5K and a 
Apple Thunderbolt Display, which is 2560x1440.
The only difference is that  my displays use different spaces.  That´s an 
option in Systemcontrol->Mission Control

Matthias



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Tel +49 5741 31
‌https://matthiasrebbe.eu ‌

> Am 14.01.2018 um 15:58 schrieb Mark Waddingham via use-livecode 
> >:
> 
> I wonder if it is the mix between retina and non-retina screens which is 
> causing the problem.
> 
> I notice Mattias mentioned he couldn't reproduce with two retina screens, but 
> both you and graham have a mixed setup?
> 
> Warmest Regards,
> 
> Mark.
> 
> P.S. There's clearly a problem here in the engine if hit testing on stacks 
> isn't working correctly.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 14 Jan 2018, at 12:13, Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Brian
>> 
>> Well I tried to line up the tops of the two displays using the Mac Control 
>> Panel and restarted LC. This did have an interesting effect, in that the 
>> windows on the monitor are now accepting mouse clicks, but there is still 
>> some very weird stuff, in particular I have a substack with single card 
>> (it’s for logging). I am 100% sure that the stack is visible, and its rect 
>> is well within what I understand to be the available coordinates of the 
>> combined display, but it doesn’t show up! Changing its loc to the screenloc 
>> doesn’t do anything either. So there is bad stuff going on here. I’m on a 
>> deadline so I can’t look any further just now. Might just have time to 
>> restart my machine with the monitor off, but debugging on a laptop ain’t 
>> pretty. I suppose I could use the full retina resolution and a magnifying 
>> glass… annoying.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Graham
>> 
>>> On 13 Jan 2018, at 20:07, Brian Milby >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> @Graham, to determine if the 2 are related to the same underlying issue, 
>>> you should adjust your monitor layout so that the tops align. If the 
>>> problem goes away, then they are related (even if not identical). If the 
>>> problem doesn’t go away, then it is a new issue. That will be something 
>>> that is good to know when working on this issue.
>>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 11:24 AM Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
>>>  
>>> >> >> wrote:
>>> Yes, of course it’s an OS thing really. I think it’s reasonable to want the 
>>> Mac control panel configuration to mimic the physical arrangement I 
>>> actually have. If I don’t do this, I’m always trying to make the mouse go 
>>> somewhere which the Mac doesn’t see as part of the screen real estate. 
>>> Since my physical arrangement is that the monitor is higher and to the side 
>>> of the MacBook, that’s what I’ve set up in the control panel. The fact that 
>>> this gives problems has clearly got to be a bug.
>>> 
>>> After looking carefully at the bugs Martin has listed (one of which was 
>>> raised by me, centuries ago!), I decided to submit a new report: it’s 
>>> 20867. The mother ship may find that they can combine it with 19302, but I 
>>> will leave that to them.
>>> 
>>> Graham
>>> 
 On 13 Jan 2018, at 16:55, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
  
 >> wrote:
 
 It isn't the physical position of the monitors, it's how you arrange them 
 in the Mac control panel. This allows you to set the virtual position of 
 the two displays relative to each other. If I remember right, problems are 
 avoided if you drag the two monitor images so that the tops are 
 horizontally aligned.
 
 --
 Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com 
  >
 HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com 
  >
 
 
 
> On January 13, 2018 8:51:59 AM Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
>  
>  >> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Martin - yes I do have a Mac Book Pro Retina, and since it’s 
> normally on my desk with the monitor on a stand, the monitor is above the 
> MacBook as you say. My search for bugs related to this didn’t turn up 
> anything relevant: maybe I don’t understand how to do searches 

Re: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?

2018-01-14 Thread Mark Waddingham via use-livecode
I wonder if it is the mix between retina and non-retina screens which is 
causing the problem.

I notice Mattias mentioned he couldn't reproduce with two retina screens, but 
both you and graham have a mixed setup?

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

P.S. There's clearly a problem here in the engine if hit testing on stacks 
isn't working correctly.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 14 Jan 2018, at 12:13, Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Brian
> 
> Well I tried to line up the tops of the two displays using the Mac Control 
> Panel and restarted LC. This did have an interesting effect, in that the 
> windows on the monitor are now accepting mouse clicks, but there is still 
> some very weird stuff, in particular I have a substack with single card (it’s 
> for logging). I am 100% sure that the stack is visible, and its rect is well 
> within what I understand to be the available coordinates of the combined 
> display, but it doesn’t show up! Changing its loc to the screenloc doesn’t do 
> anything either. So there is bad stuff going on here. I’m on a deadline so I 
> can’t look any further just now. Might just have time to restart my machine 
> with the monitor off, but debugging on a laptop ain’t pretty. I suppose I 
> could use the full retina resolution and a magnifying glass… annoying.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Graham
> 
>> On 13 Jan 2018, at 20:07, Brian Milby  wrote:
>> 
>> @Graham, to determine if the 2 are related to the same underlying issue, you 
>> should adjust your monitor layout so that the tops align. If the problem 
>> goes away, then they are related (even if not identical). If the problem 
>> doesn’t go away, then it is a new issue. That will be something that is good 
>> to know when working on this issue.
>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 11:24 AM Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
>> > wrote:
>> Yes, of course it’s an OS thing really. I think it’s reasonable to want the 
>> Mac control panel configuration to mimic the physical arrangement I actually 
>> have. If I don’t do this, I’m always trying to make the mouse go somewhere 
>> which the Mac doesn’t see as part of the screen real estate. Since my 
>> physical arrangement is that the monitor is higher and to the side of the 
>> MacBook, that’s what I’ve set up in the control panel. The fact that this 
>> gives problems has clearly got to be a bug.
>> 
>> After looking carefully at the bugs Martin has listed (one of which was 
>> raised by me, centuries ago!), I decided to submit a new report: it’s 20867. 
>> The mother ship may find that they can combine it with 19302, but I will 
>> leave that to them.
>> 
>> Graham
>> 
>>> On 13 Jan 2018, at 16:55, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>>> > 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It isn't the physical position of the monitors, it's how you arrange them 
>>> in the Mac control panel. This allows you to set the virtual position of 
>>> the two displays relative to each other. If I remember right, problems are 
>>> avoided if you drag the two monitor images so that the tops are 
>>> horizontally aligned.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com 
>>> 
>>> HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On January 13, 2018 8:51:59 AM Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
 > 
 wrote:
 
 Thanks Martin - yes I do have a Mac Book Pro Retina, and since it’s 
 normally on my desk with the monitor on a stand, the monitor is above the 
 MacBook as you say. My search for bugs related to this didn’t turn up 
 anything relevant: maybe I don’t understand how to do searches for 
 unresolved bugs in particular areas. Anyway I missed the bugs you mention. 
 Obviously I will now look at them and see what I can contribute.
 
 Thanks again
 
 Graham
 
> On 13 Jan 2018, at 14:34, Martin Koob via use-livecode 
> > 
> wrote:
> 
> I have experienced problems with dual monitors attached to my Mac Book Pro
> Retina with LC 8 and posted bugs.
> 
> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19300 
> 
> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19302 
> 
> 
> There are links on 19302  to other bugs I thought might be related.
> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15366 
> 
> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18363 
> 
> 
> It seems the issue occurs 

Re: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?

2018-01-14 Thread Graham Samuel via use-livecode
Hi Brian

Well I tried to line up the tops of the two displays using the Mac Control 
Panel and restarted LC. This did have an interesting effect, in that the 
windows on the monitor are now accepting mouse clicks, but there is still some 
very weird stuff, in particular I have a substack with single card (it’s for 
logging). I am 100% sure that the stack is visible, and its rect is well within 
what I understand to be the available coordinates of the combined display, but 
it doesn’t show up! Changing its loc to the screenloc doesn’t do anything 
either. So there is bad stuff going on here. I’m on a deadline so I can’t look 
any further just now. Might just have time to restart my machine with the 
monitor off, but debugging on a laptop ain’t pretty. I suppose I could use the 
full retina resolution and a magnifying glass… annoying.

Cheers

Graham

> On 13 Jan 2018, at 20:07, Brian Milby  wrote:
> 
> @Graham, to determine if the 2 are related to the same underlying issue, you 
> should adjust your monitor layout so that the tops align. If the problem goes 
> away, then they are related (even if not identical). If the problem doesn’t 
> go away, then it is a new issue. That will be something that is good to know 
> when working on this issue.
> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 11:24 AM Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
> > wrote:
> Yes, of course it’s an OS thing really. I think it’s reasonable to want the 
> Mac control panel configuration to mimic the physical arrangement I actually 
> have. If I don’t do this, I’m always trying to make the mouse go somewhere 
> which the Mac doesn’t see as part of the screen real estate. Since my 
> physical arrangement is that the monitor is higher and to the side of the 
> MacBook, that’s what I’ve set up in the control panel. The fact that this 
> gives problems has clearly got to be a bug.
> 
> After looking carefully at the bugs Martin has listed (one of which was 
> raised by me, centuries ago!), I decided to submit a new report: it’s 20867. 
> The mother ship may find that they can combine it with 19302, but I will 
> leave that to them.
> 
> Graham
> 
> > On 13 Jan 2018, at 16:55, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
> > > 
> > wrote:
> >
> > It isn't the physical position of the monitors, it's how you arrange them 
> > in the Mac control panel. This allows you to set the virtual position of 
> > the two displays relative to each other. If I remember right, problems are 
> > avoided if you drag the two monitor images so that the tops are 
> > horizontally aligned.
> >
> > --
> > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com 
> > 
> > HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com 
> > 
> >
> >
> >
> > On January 13, 2018 8:51:59 AM Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
> > > 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks Martin - yes I do have a Mac Book Pro Retina, and since it’s 
> >> normally on my desk with the monitor on a stand, the monitor is above the 
> >> MacBook as you say. My search for bugs related to this didn’t turn up 
> >> anything relevant: maybe I don’t understand how to do searches for 
> >> unresolved bugs in particular areas. Anyway I missed the bugs you mention. 
> >> Obviously I will now look at them and see what I can contribute.
> >>
> >> Thanks again
> >>
> >> Graham
> >>
> >>> On 13 Jan 2018, at 14:34, Martin Koob via use-livecode 
> >>> > 
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I have experienced problems with dual monitors attached to my Mac Book Pro
> >>> Retina with LC 8 and posted bugs.
> >>>
> >>> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19300 
> >>> 
> >>> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19302 
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>> There are links on 19302  to other bugs I thought might be related.
> >>> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15366 
> >>> 
> >>> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18363 
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>> It seems the issue occurs only when the arrangement is that  secondary
> >>> external monitor is above the Mac Book Pro's monitor.  If in the Display
> >>> Preferences > arrangement I drag the secondary monitor to the side of the
> >>> primary monitor the issues I experienced were resolved.   It may also be 
> >>> an
> >>> issue with my retina display.  Do you have a Mac Book Pro Retina as well?
> >>>
> >>> You should post what you are seeing as a bug and reference these other 
> >>> ones.
> >>>
> >>> Martin Koob
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Sent from: 
> >>> 

Re: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?

2018-01-13 Thread Brian Milby via use-livecode
@Graham, to determine if the 2 are related to the same underlying issue,
you should adjust your monitor layout so that the tops align. If the
problem goes away, then they are related (even if not identical). If the
problem doesn’t go away, then it is a new issue. That will be something
that is good to know when working on this issue.
On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 11:24 AM Graham Samuel via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Yes, of course it’s an OS thing really. I think it’s reasonable to want
> the Mac control panel configuration to mimic the physical arrangement I
> actually have. If I don’t do this, I’m always trying to make the mouse go
> somewhere which the Mac doesn’t see as part of the screen real estate.
> Since my physical arrangement is that the monitor is higher and to the side
> of the MacBook, that’s what I’ve set up in the control panel. The fact that
> this gives problems has clearly got to be a bug.
>
> After looking carefully at the bugs Martin has listed (one of which was
> raised by me, centuries ago!), I decided to submit a new report: it’s
> 20867. The mother ship may find that they can combine it with 19302, but I
> will leave that to them.
>
> Graham
>
> > On 13 Jan 2018, at 16:55, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > It isn't the physical position of the monitors, it's how you arrange
> them in the Mac control panel. This allows you to set the virtual position
> of the two displays relative to each other. If I remember right, problems
> are avoided if you drag the two monitor images so that the tops are
> horizontally aligned.
> >
> > --
> > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
> > HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> >
> >
> >
> > On January 13, 2018 8:51:59 AM Graham Samuel via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks Martin - yes I do have a Mac Book Pro Retina, and since it’s
> normally on my desk with the monitor on a stand, the monitor is above the
> MacBook as you say. My search for bugs related to this didn’t turn up
> anything relevant: maybe I don’t understand how to do searches for
> unresolved bugs in particular areas. Anyway I missed the bugs you mention.
> Obviously I will now look at them and see what I can contribute.
> >>
> >> Thanks again
> >>
> >> Graham
> >>
> >>> On 13 Jan 2018, at 14:34, Martin Koob via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I have experienced problems with dual monitors attached to my Mac Book
> Pro
> >>> Retina with LC 8 and posted bugs.
> >>>
> >>> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19300
> >>> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19302
> >>>
> >>> There are links on 19302  to other bugs I thought might be related.
> >>> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15366
> >>> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18363
> >>>
> >>> It seems the issue occurs only when the arrangement is that  secondary
> >>> external monitor is above the Mac Book Pro's monitor.  If in the
> Display
> >>> Preferences > arrangement I drag the secondary monitor to the side of
> the
> >>> primary monitor the issues I experienced were resolved.   It may also
> be an
> >>> issue with my retina display.  Do you have a Mac Book Pro Retina as
> well?
> >>>
> >>> You should post what you are seeing as a bug and reference these other
> ones.
> >>>
> >>> Martin Koob
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
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Re: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?

2018-01-13 Thread Graham Samuel via use-livecode
Yes, of course it’s an OS thing really. I think it’s reasonable to want the Mac 
control panel configuration to mimic the physical arrangement I actually have. 
If I don’t do this, I’m always trying to make the mouse go somewhere which the 
Mac doesn’t see as part of the screen real estate. Since my physical 
arrangement is that the monitor is higher and to the side of the MacBook, 
that’s what I’ve set up in the control panel. The fact that this gives problems 
has clearly got to be a bug.

After looking carefully at the bugs Martin has listed (one of which was raised 
by me, centuries ago!), I decided to submit a new report: it’s 20867. The 
mother ship may find that they can combine it with 19302, but I will leave that 
to them.

Graham

> On 13 Jan 2018, at 16:55, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> It isn't the physical position of the monitors, it's how you arrange them in 
> the Mac control panel. This allows you to set the virtual position of the two 
> displays relative to each other. If I remember right, problems are avoided if 
> you drag the two monitor images so that the tops are horizontally aligned.
> 
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
> 
> 
> On January 13, 2018 8:51:59 AM Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Thanks Martin - yes I do have a Mac Book Pro Retina, and since it’s normally 
>> on my desk with the monitor on a stand, the monitor is above the MacBook as 
>> you say. My search for bugs related to this didn’t turn up anything 
>> relevant: maybe I don’t understand how to do searches for unresolved bugs in 
>> particular areas. Anyway I missed the bugs you mention. Obviously I will now 
>> look at them and see what I can contribute.
>> 
>> Thanks again
>> 
>> Graham
>> 
>>> On 13 Jan 2018, at 14:34, Martin Koob via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have experienced problems with dual monitors attached to my Mac Book Pro
>>> Retina with LC 8 and posted bugs.
>>> 
>>> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19300
>>> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19302
>>> 
>>> There are links on 19302  to other bugs I thought might be related.
>>> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15366
>>> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18363
>>> 
>>> It seems the issue occurs only when the arrangement is that  secondary
>>> external monitor is above the Mac Book Pro's monitor.  If in the Display
>>> Preferences > arrangement I drag the secondary monitor to the side of the
>>> primary monitor the issues I experienced were resolved.   It may also be an
>>> issue with my retina display.  Do you have a Mac Book Pro Retina as well?
>>> 
>>> You should post what you are seeing as a bug and reference these other ones.
>>> 
>>> Martin Koob
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
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Re: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?

2018-01-13 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
It isn't the physical position of the monitors, it's how you arrange them 
in the Mac control panel. This allows you to set the virtual position of 
the two displays relative to each other. If I remember right, problems are 
avoided if you drag the two monitor images so that the tops are 
horizontally aligned.


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On January 13, 2018 8:51:59 AM Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
 wrote:


Thanks Martin - yes I do have a Mac Book Pro Retina, and since it’s 
normally on my desk with the monitor on a stand, the monitor is above the 
MacBook as you say. My search for bugs related to this didn’t turn up 
anything relevant: maybe I don’t understand how to do searches for 
unresolved bugs in particular areas. Anyway I missed the bugs you mention. 
Obviously I will now look at them and see what I can contribute.


Thanks again

Graham

On 13 Jan 2018, at 14:34, Martin Koob via use-livecode 
 wrote:


I have experienced problems with dual monitors attached to my Mac Book Pro
Retina with LC 8 and posted bugs.

http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19300
http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19302

There are links on 19302  to other bugs I thought might be related.
http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15366
http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18363

It seems the issue occurs only when the arrangement is that  secondary
external monitor is above the Mac Book Pro's monitor.  If in the Display
Preferences > arrangement I drag the secondary monitor to the side of the
primary monitor the issues I experienced were resolved.   It may also be an
issue with my retina display.  Do you have a Mac Book Pro Retina as well?

You should post what you are seeing as a bug and reference these other ones.

Martin Koob



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Re: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?

2018-01-13 Thread Graham Samuel via use-livecode
Hi Matthias

Your solution sounds interesting, but to me it’s just a workaround. I simply 
want more screen real estate for debugging - so as far as I can see, using 
different spaces would provide that. After reading what Martin Koob has to say, 
I’m pretty certain that there really is a bug. Even though it’s holding up some 
urgent work, I think I have to make a proper examination of this and report it 
(maybe as additional material on an existing bug report).

Graham

> On 13 Jan 2018, at 14:47, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Graham,
> 
> i followed your steps here on my system (iMac 5K and Thunderbolt display). It 
> works here without problems.
> 
> Maybe it works here, because i have setup that my monitors use different 
> spaces. You can set this in SystemControl->MissionControl. I do not know the 
> exact english expression as i have here a german Mac OS X running.
> 
> One of the advantages  of this option is that i can run other programs (in my 
> case DVD-Player) in fullscreen  on one screen and the other screen is still 
> visible and not black. 
> 
> Maybe you should try that set this option in mission control too.
> 
> Regards,
> Matthias
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Matthias Rebbe
> Tel +49 5741 31
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> 
>> Am 13.01.2018 um 13:14 schrieb Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
>> >:
>> 
>> Sorry this is a bit long, but it needs an accurate description IMHO.
>> 
>> I’ve already submitted a bug report on some strangeness with using the IDE 
>> with LC9.0.0 (dp11) on a two-screen system, with the suspicion that it was 
>> me doing something wrong - it was just very muddling. However, today I seem 
>> to have found something a bit more generic and I’d like to know if anyone 
>> else has seen it, before I start the tedious business of simplifying the 
>> issue for a bug report.
>> 
>> This is what I’m seeing, on a MacBook Pro running High Sierra 10.3.2. 
>> Attached to the machine is a monitor, in the logical top left position, so 
>> the mouse can travel from the Mac screen to the monitor by moving North 
>> West, as it were. The MacPro screen is 2560 x 1600 Retina (which AFAIKS 
>> means it’s acting like 1280 x 800 for normal display purposes), and the 
>> monitor is 1920 x 1080. The system is configured so that the initial Mac 
>> menu bar is on the MacPro screen (since we don’t always use the monitor).
>> 
>> If I open LC9, the initial screen comes up on the MacPro, as expected. I 
>> open a stack I’m working on and drag the initial display (just the first 
>> card of the first stack) to the monitor. Going back to the menu bar on the 
>> MacPro display, I open the Project Browser to see the stack details. If I 
>> click on the little plus (“+”) sign next to the stack name, the browser 
>> display unfolds to show the cards in the stack, exactly as expected. BUT if 
>> I move the Project Browser window to the monitor, the plus sign has no 
>> effect! I can still close the project browser window but I can’t activate 
>> it, whether or not I make sure that LC has the focus by clicking on my card 
>> display. If I close the Project Browser, switch to the monitor and activate 
>> LiveCode from there (for example by clicking on the mirrored menu for LC 
>> which appears at the top of the screen) and then open the Project Browser 
>> again so that it initially opens in the monitor, it works OK! If I drag the 
>> PB window back to the MacPro display, it goes on working.
>> 
>> This is the essence of the issue - there may be other variants with the Tool 
>> palette etc but I’m trying to keep it simple.
>> 
>> Does anyone else see this or know of any report? Can’t find anything in the 
>> Quality database.
>> 
>> TIA
>> 
>> Graham
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Re: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?

2018-01-13 Thread Graham Samuel via use-livecode
Thanks Martin - yes I do have a Mac Book Pro Retina, and since it’s normally on 
my desk with the monitor on a stand, the monitor is above the MacBook as you 
say. My search for bugs related to this didn’t turn up anything relevant: maybe 
I don’t understand how to do searches for unresolved bugs in particular areas. 
Anyway I missed the bugs you mention. Obviously I will now look at them and see 
what I can contribute.

Thanks again

Graham

> On 13 Jan 2018, at 14:34, Martin Koob via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have experienced problems with dual monitors attached to my Mac Book Pro
> Retina with LC 8 and posted bugs.
> 
> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19300
> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19302
> 
> There are links on 19302  to other bugs I thought might be related.  
> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15366
> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18363
> 
> It seems the issue occurs only when the arrangement is that  secondary
> external monitor is above the Mac Book Pro's monitor.  If in the Display
> Preferences > arrangement I drag the secondary monitor to the side of the
> primary monitor the issues I experienced were resolved.   It may also be an
> issue with my retina display.  Do you have a Mac Book Pro Retina as well?
> 
> You should post what you are seeing as a bug and reference these other ones.
> 
> Martin Koob
> 
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Re: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?

2018-01-13 Thread Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode
Graham,

i followed your steps here on my system (iMac 5K and Thunderbolt display). It 
works here without problems.

Maybe it works here, because i have setup that my monitors use different 
spaces. You can set this in SystemControl->MissionControl. I do not know the 
exact english expression as i have here a german Mac OS X running.

One of the advantages  of this option is that i can run other programs (in my 
case DVD-Player) in fullscreen  on one screen and the other screen is still 
visible and not black. 

Maybe you should try that set this option in mission control too.

Regards,
Matthias




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Tel +49 5741 31
‌https://matthiasrebbe.eu ‌

> Am 13.01.2018 um 13:14 schrieb Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
> >:
> 
> Sorry this is a bit long, but it needs an accurate description IMHO.
> 
> I’ve already submitted a bug report on some strangeness with using the IDE 
> with LC9.0.0 (dp11) on a two-screen system, with the suspicion that it was me 
> doing something wrong - it was just very muddling. However, today I seem to 
> have found something a bit more generic and I’d like to know if anyone else 
> has seen it, before I start the tedious business of simplifying the issue for 
> a bug report.
> 
> This is what I’m seeing, on a MacBook Pro running High Sierra 10.3.2. 
> Attached to the machine is a monitor, in the logical top left position, so 
> the mouse can travel from the Mac screen to the monitor by moving North West, 
> as it were. The MacPro screen is 2560 x 1600 Retina (which AFAIKS means it’s 
> acting like 1280 x 800 for normal display purposes), and the monitor is 1920 
> x 1080. The system is configured so that the initial Mac menu bar is on the 
> MacPro screen (since we don’t always use the monitor).
> 
> If I open LC9, the initial screen comes up on the MacPro, as expected. I open 
> a stack I’m working on and drag the initial display (just the first card of 
> the first stack) to the monitor. Going back to the menu bar on the MacPro 
> display, I open the Project Browser to see the stack details. If I click on 
> the little plus (“+”) sign next to the stack name, the browser display 
> unfolds to show the cards in the stack, exactly as expected. BUT if I move 
> the Project Browser window to the monitor, the plus sign has no effect! I can 
> still close the project browser window but I can’t activate it, whether or 
> not I make sure that LC has the focus by clicking on my card display. If I 
> close the Project Browser, switch to the monitor and activate LiveCode from 
> there (for example by clicking on the mirrored menu for LC which appears at 
> the top of the screen) and then open the Project Browser again so that it 
> initially opens in the monitor, it works OK! If I drag the PB window back to 
> the MacPro display, it goes on working.
> 
> This is the essence of the issue - there may be other variants with the Tool 
> palette etc but I’m trying to keep it simple.
> 
> Does anyone else see this or know of any report? Can’t find anything in the 
> Quality database.
> 
> TIA
> 
> Graham
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Re: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?

2018-01-13 Thread Martin Koob via use-livecode
I have experienced problems with dual monitors attached to my Mac Book Pro
Retina with LC 8 and posted bugs.

http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19300
http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19302

There are links on 19302  to other bugs I thought might be related.  
http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15366
http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18363

It seems the issue occurs only when the arrangement is that  secondary
external monitor is above the Mac Book Pro's monitor.  If in the Display
Preferences > arrangement I drag the secondary monitor to the side of the
primary monitor the issues I experienced were resolved.   It may also be an
issue with my retina display.  Do you have a Mac Book Pro Retina as well?

You should post what you are seeing as a bug and reference these other ones.

Martin Koob



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