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Dan Brown wrote: > A lot of corporations are indeed making a ton of money off > the back of free labour and free software. Thanks Stallman Public goods benefit the public. I trust that those who choose to volunteer to contribute to public goods understand that will include businesses as well as individuals. The relationship is often symbiotic: Apple is one of the key funders of what began as KDE's WebKit, a browser engine widely used far beyond Safari. Heroku has full-time staff contributing to PostgreSQL. Adobe and Microsoft are platinum funders of the Linux Foundation, where 3/4 of kernel contributors are salaried. Even in my modest corner of the world, my business derives so much value from Ubuntu, Nextcloud, Inkscape, SuiteCRM, and others that I contribute to those projects where I can. There is the occasional rug-pull from FOSS corps, like Oracle's infamous shenanigans with MySQL and OpenOffice, attempting to turn Free into Freemium. But those are few, and often backfire: MySQL was forked to MariaDB, OpenOffice forked to LibreOffice, even Owncloud forked to NextCloud, in each case bringing key devs and often the project founder with them. I'm not familiar with anything Stallman has written advocating rug pulls or labor exploitation, but if I'm missing something I wouldn't mind catching up on that if you'll point the way. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Bob Sneidar wrote: > Richard wrote: >> That said, my circle of friends include a good many who still use IRC >> daily... > > You seem like a World Of Warcraft guy to me. Worse: Mage Knight :) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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You seem like a World Of Warcraft guy to me. Bob S > On Sep 28, 2023, at 1:09 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode > wrote: > > Keith Martin wrote: > > > To me, Discord looks like a refugee from a moderately poorly > > designed BBS from 30 years ago. I use it (it's the student > > comms platform of choice for a course I teach on) and it does > > work well in the sense of being very functional, but it offends > > me on multiple levels. > > You're not alone. When I started using it for board game discussions my first > response was "Holy hellballz, which overcaffienated stoner fell too deeply in > love with IRC?" :) > > The functionality is great, but even just dropping the hashtag to distinguish > channel labels would go a long way to making it look less like an IRC > holdover. > > That said, my circle of friends include a good many who still use IRC daily... > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World Systems > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Thanks, Richard. After I looked into discord privacy policies, I realized that my audience would not even consider it. I decided to make a simple site using bbpress with wordpress and try to use only free or very low cost plug-ins. Most of my programming time in the last year was building a complex wordpress site to support our retirees association. So, I got pretty good with wordpress and figure putting together a basic discussion site will be pretty quick. Of course, privacy is huge issue. I've found that limiting login tries and using captcha seem to work well. Also, I have a plugin that won't accept non US ip addresses to help. The biggest development problem is choosing the plugins from the massive number that claim to be the best. Then it takes a day to find out they can't do what you want. Thanks again for the info. Best, Bill William A. Prothero, PhD Prof Emeritus, Dept of Earth Science University of California, Santa Barbara > On Sep 28, 2023, at 8:12 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode > wrote: > > Keith Martin wrote: > > > To me, Discord looks like a refugee from a moderately poorly > > designed BBS from 30 years ago. I use it (it's the student > > comms platform of choice for a course I teach on) and it does > > work well in the sense of being very functional, but it offends > > me on multiple levels. > > You're not alone. When I started using it for board game discussions my first > response was "Holy hellballz, which overcaffienated stoner fell too deeply in > love with IRC?" :) > > The functionality is great, but even just dropping the hashtag to distinguish > channel labels would go a long way to making it look less like an IRC > holdover. > > That said, my circle of friends include a good many who still use IRC daily... > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World Systems > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Keith Martin wrote: > To me, Discord looks like a refugee from a moderately poorly > designed BBS from 30 years ago. I use it (it's the student > comms platform of choice for a course I teach on) and it does > work well in the sense of being very functional, but it offends > me on multiple levels. You're not alone. When I started using it for board game discussions my first response was "Holy hellballz, which overcaffienated stoner fell too deeply in love with IRC?" :) The functionality is great, but even just dropping the hashtag to distinguish channel labels would go a long way to making it look less like an IRC holdover. That said, my circle of friends include a good many who still use IRC daily... -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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> On 23 Sep 2023, at 15:32, William Prothero via use-livecode > wrote: > > Discord looks really interesting. To me, Discord looks like a refugee from a moderately poorly designed BBS from 30 years ago. I use it (it's the student comms platform of choice for a course I teach on) and it does work well in the sense of being very functional, but it offends me on multiple levels. k ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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William Prothero wrote: > Discord looks really interesting. I'm thinking of trying it out. > One thing I wonder about is user privacy. I know there are private > channels, but does the entity supporting discord have access to > user data, emails, names, etc? > > That will be the first question I'm asked. It's a good question. With almost every public service today, the answer will be negative. Discord is free of charge but is not open source, so while you can set up a server there easily, someone else is hosting it, and like nearly every public service the TOS fine print allows data mining. Same with Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, and pretty much every SaaS you use. For the purposes Discord used for, this is usually fine. Game publishers use it for support and tips, and a great many other orgs besides, and for that sort of discussion privacy needs are minimal. For example, there's a growing HyperCard group hosted on Discord: https://discord.gg/RZZv3wk4 But with VERY few exceptions, any service you're not hosting yourself will be subject to data mining in one form or another.* Only self-hosted systems provide you with complete assurance about how user data is handled. Discourse is free and open source, but for some the system requirements for self-hosting may be daunting. No worries: there are many dozens of good packages for threaded discussion forums, and most are FOSS and can be self-hosted. And if you use any shared hosting you can try out many of them easily enough in Softaculous or whatever one-click install system is provided by your host. And Bill, it's been a couple years since we talked. If you want to kick around a few ideas for what your group needs, give me a call. Always good to talk with you. * Privacy rant: I'm rebuilding all of my web tooling, and with that my content, and with that I just started the rewrite for my Privacy Policy. When I wrote this more than 15 years ago, the biggest concern at the time was spam. We hadn't yet seen comprehensive cross-indexed user behavior tracking used to build psychographic models capable of destabilizing entire regions, as we've seen with more modern information warfare (the US Senate Intel Committee reports on disinformation campaigns include a good methodology overview: https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/publications/report-select-committee-intelligence-united-states-senate-russian-active-measures ). So while I'll be extending some of the wording scope when my new site is published, I was frankly surprised at how well the rest of a 15-year-old policy has held up - here's the meat of it: To be perfectly frank, we find it disappointing that so many companies who sell products and services online also act as mass-marketing companies, selling your email address and other personal information to anyone who's willing to pony up the cash. We offer our Privacy Policy as a challenge for all other online companies: Stick to what you do, do it well, and stop the practice of selling customer information to strangers. If you can't be profitable sticking with your core business and need to also sell your customers' personal information to remain viable, maybe it's time to rethink your business plan. The sale of customer information to other companies is a significant contributing factor to the ever-growing volume of unsolicited commercial email (commonly called "spam"). Last year alone spam cost ISPs more than US$7 billion, and the aggregate cost to global industries is many times that. We know there are many more legitimate ways to spread the word about good products and services, and hope that by working together we may one day see an end to spam. If digital surveillance is of interest, I've found the work of author and EFF consultant Cory Doctorow particularly enlightening. This article provides a good intro to what he's been up to lately: https://www.pasadenastarnews.com/2023/09/14/cory-doctorow-takes-on-big-techs-worst-impulses-in-the-internet-con/ -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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One more and then I will stop hijacking this thread. BTW these are jokes told in Russia by Russians. "In Russia we have freedom of speech. In America they have freedom *after* speech." -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com On September 25, 2023 10:15:50 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: Hah hah. Yes, but with Capitalism, we get to vote for our exploiters. :-) Bob S On Sep 24, 2023, at 4:03 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote: The Russians also have another: Q: What is the difference between capitalism and communism? A: Capitalism is one man exploiting another. Communism is exactly the opposite. :) -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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No “but” there. That was precisely my point. :-) Bob S On Sep 25, 2023, at 4:26 PM, doc hawk via use-livecode wrote: bob belabored, The Russians had a great saying: There’s no such thing as a free lunch. True. But there *is* a lunch that someone else pays for . . . ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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bob belabored, The Russians had a great saying: There’s no such thing as a free lunch. True. But there *is* a lunch that someone else pays for . . . ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Hah hah. Yes, but with Capitalism, we get to vote for our exploiters. :-) Bob S > On Sep 24, 2023, at 4:03 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode > wrote: > > The Russians also have another: > > Q: What is the difference between capitalism and communism? > A: Capitalism is one man exploiting another. Communism is exactly the > opposite. > > :) > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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The Russians also have another: Q: What is the difference between capitalism and communism? A: Capitalism is one man exploiting another. Communism is exactly the opposite. :) -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com On September 24, 2023 5:13:10 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: The Russians had a great saying: There’s no such thing as a free lunch. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 22, 2023, at 17:09, doc hawk via use-livecode wrote: Bob blipped, Well, if I go to my bartender and ask for a free beer, I might get one, When I bought my last bicycle helmet (they’re single use, and the old one had a massive dent at the hairline. I’d never been to a trauma unit before . . .), there was a little sign on the counter that read, “ring bell for beer.” Amused, I rang the bell. And the salesman turned around, pulled a beer from a small refrigerator, and handed it to me! with that, I'll grab some popcorn and enjoy the license wars . . . ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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The Russians had a great saying: There’s no such thing as a free lunch. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 22, 2023, at 17:09, doc hawk via use-livecode > wrote: > > Bob blipped, > > Well, if I go to my bartender and ask for a free beer, I might get one, > > > When I bought my last bicycle helmet (they’re single use, and the old one > had a massive dent at the hairline. I’d never been to a trauma unit before > . . .), there was a little sign on the counter that read, “ring bell for > beer.” Amused, I rang the bell. > > And the salesman turned around, pulled a beer from a small refrigerator, > and handed it to me! > > with that, I'll grab some popcorn and enjoy the license wars . . . > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Hi Bill, If you are running your own server on your computer, I don’t believe they would have access to that at all. They claim it’s both safe and that they are transparent on how it all works. It is open-source software so you should be able to see for yourself. Rick > On Sep 23, 2023, at 10:30 AM, William Prothero via use-livecode > wrote: > > Discord looks really interesting. I'm thinking of trying it out. One thing I > wonder about is > user privacy. I know there are private channels, but does the entity > supporting discord have access to user data, emails, names, etc? > > That will be the first question I'm asked. > Best, > Bill > > William A. Prothero, PhD > Prof Emeritus, Dept of Earth Science > University of California, Santa Barbara > ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Discord looks really interesting. I'm thinking of trying it out. One thing I wonder about is user privacy. I know there are private channels, but does the entity supporting discord have access to user data, emails, names, etc? That will be the first question I'm asked. Best, Bill William A. Prothero, PhD Prof Emeritus, Dept of Earth Science University of California, Santa Barbara > On Sep 22, 2023, at 10:46 PM, Dan Brown via use-livecode > wrote: > > A lot of corporations are indeed making a ton of money off the back of free > labour and free software. Thanks Stallman > >> On Thu, 21 Sept 2023, 23:36 Richard Gaskin via use-livecode, < >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: >> >> Bob Sneidar wrote: >>> Richard Gaskin wrote: Bob Sneidar wrote: > Erm… neither of those are free. :-) Please explain. https://github.com/discourse/discourse/blob/main/docs/INSTALL-cloud.md https://discord.com/blog/starting-your-first-discord-server >>> >>> >>> Well, if I go to my bartender and ask for a free beer, I might get one, >>> but then the bartender or the owner has to pay for it. >> >> True. These systems are popular enough that there's enough who choose to >> pay for optional premium services so the rest remains free of cost for >> everyone else. >> >>> As for freedom, everyone I think knows that our freedoms are purchased >>> at a precious price. >> >> Also true. After thousands of years of intellectual property theft, the >> Berne Convention of 1886 finally created a global framework establishing >> that the author of an original creative work has sole authority over its >> distribution. >> >> A hundred years later the Free Software Foundation and others used the >> foundation established by the Berne Convention to create standardized >> licensing guaranteeing the freedom to read, modify, and redistribute >> software for any package using those licenses. These freedoms fostered such >> proliferation that today most of the world's software infrastructure is >> powered by open source. >> >> -- >> Richard Gaskin >> Fourth World Systems >> >> >> ___ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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A lot of corporations are indeed making a ton of money off the back of free labour and free software. Thanks Stallman On Thu, 21 Sept 2023, 23:36 Richard Gaskin via use-livecode, < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Bob Sneidar wrote: > > Richard Gaskin wrote: > >> > >> Bob Sneidar wrote: > >>> Erm… neither of those are free. :-) > >> > >> Please explain. > >> https://github.com/discourse/discourse/blob/main/docs/INSTALL-cloud.md > >> https://discord.com/blog/starting-your-first-discord-server > > > > > > Well, if I go to my bartender and ask for a free beer, I might get one, > > but then the bartender or the owner has to pay for it. > > True. These systems are popular enough that there's enough who choose to > pay for optional premium services so the rest remains free of cost for > everyone else. > > > As for freedom, everyone I think knows that our freedoms are purchased > > at a precious price. > > Also true. After thousands of years of intellectual property theft, the > Berne Convention of 1886 finally created a global framework establishing > that the author of an original creative work has sole authority over its > distribution. > > A hundred years later the Free Software Foundation and others used the > foundation established by the Berne Convention to create standardized > licensing guaranteeing the freedom to read, modify, and redistribute > software for any package using those licenses. These freedoms fostered such > proliferation that today most of the world's software infrastructure is > powered by open source. > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World Systems > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Bob blipped, Well, if I go to my bartender and ask for a free beer, I might get one, When I bought my last bicycle helmet (they’re single use, and the old one had a massive dent at the hairline. I’d never been to a trauma unit before . . .), there was a little sign on the counter that read, “ring bell for beer.” Amused, I rang the bell. And the salesman turned around, pulled a beer from a small refrigerator, and handed it to me! with that, I'll grab some popcorn and enjoy the license wars . . . ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Bob Sneidar wrote: > Richard Gaskin wrote: >> >> Bob Sneidar wrote: >>> Erm… neither of those are free. :-) >> >> Please explain. >> https://github.com/discourse/discourse/blob/main/docs/INSTALL-cloud.md >> https://discord.com/blog/starting-your-first-discord-server > > > Well, if I go to my bartender and ask for a free beer, I might get one, > but then the bartender or the owner has to pay for it. True. These systems are popular enough that there's enough who choose to pay for optional premium services so the rest remains free of cost for everyone else. > As for freedom, everyone I think knows that our freedoms are purchased > at a precious price. Also true. After thousands of years of intellectual property theft, the Berne Convention of 1886 finally created a global framework establishing that the author of an original creative work has sole authority over its distribution. A hundred years later the Free Software Foundation and others used the foundation established by the Berne Convention to create standardized licensing guaranteeing the freedom to read, modify, and redistribute software for any package using those licenses. These freedoms fostered such proliferation that today most of the world's software infrastructure is powered by open source. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Well, if I go to my bartender and ask for a free beer, I might get one, but then the bartender or the owner has to pay for it. As for freedom, everyone I think knows that our freedoms are purchased at a precious price. Bob S On Sep 21, 2023, at 1:59 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote: Bob Sneidar wrote: Erm… neither of those are free. :-) Please explain. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Bob Sneidar wrote: > Erm… neither of those are free. :-) Please explain. https://github.com/discourse/discourse/blob/main/docs/INSTALL-cloud.md https://discord.com/blog/starting-your-first-discord-server -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Erm… neither of those are free. :-) Bob S It's free as in both freedom and beer. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Hi Richard, Thanks for the clarification on this. Rick > On Sep 20, 2023, at 2:40 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode > wrote: > > It's free as in both freedom and beer. > > From the COPYRIGHT.md file in the archive I linked to above: > >This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or >modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License >as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version >2 of the License, or (at your option) any later version. > > > That said, I'm sure they don't mind contributions to the project, in code or > cash. > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World Systems ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Richard, Thanks so much for the link to the installation instructions for discourse. I've been thinking about installing a forum. If I do the installation myself, will there be a cost, other than the domain name? Best, Bill William A. Prothero, PhD Prof Emeritus, Dept of Earth Science University of California, Santa Barbara > On Sep 20, 2023, at 8:40 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode > wrote: > > Rick Harrison wrote: > > > On Sep 18, 2023, at 1:57 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > >> > >> Use Discourse. There are others, but Discourse is currently the > >> go-to choice for new forums. Great UX, open source. > > > > Discourse is $50 per month! No free option for that. > > If you want the core team to also host and support it, yes, you can hire them > to do that for a monthly fee. And for less than the cost of an hour's > billable time, having their team handle everything can be a good value. > > The project is open source, so you can also host it yourself: > > https://github.com/discourse/discourse/blob/main/docs/INSTALL-cloud.md > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World Systems > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Rick Harrison wrote: > On Sep 20, 2023, at 11:38 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: >> >> The project is open source, so you can also host it yourself: >> >> https://github.com/discourse/discourse/blob/main/docs/INSTALL-cloud.md > > > Thanks for the additional information. > > If I host it myself do I pay anything, or it is free? It's free as in both freedom and beer. From the COPYRIGHT.md file in the archive I linked to above: This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or (at your option) any later version. That said, I'm sure they don't mind contributions to the project, in code or cash. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Hi Richard, Thanks for the additional information. If I host it myself do I pay anything, or it is free? Thanks, Rick > On Sep 20, 2023, at 11:38 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode > wrote: > > If you want the core team to also host and support it, yes, you can hire them > to do that for a monthly fee. And for less than the cost of an hour's > billable time, having their team handle everything can be a good value. > > The project is open source, so you can also host it yourself: > > https://github.com/discourse/discourse/blob/main/docs/INSTALL-cloud.md ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Rick Harrison wrote: > On Sep 18, 2023, at 1:57 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: >> >> Use Discourse. There are others, but Discourse is currently the >> go-to choice for new forums. Great UX, open source. > > Discourse is $50 per month! No free option for that. If you want the core team to also host and support it, yes, you can hire them to do that for a monthly fee. And for less than the cost of an hour's billable time, having their team handle everything can be a good value. The project is open source, so you can also host it yourself: https://github.com/discourse/discourse/blob/main/docs/INSTALL-cloud.md -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Hi Andre, I have already worked with all of those for years. Thanks for the warning anyway. Rick > On Sep 18, 2023, at 2:52 PM, Andre Garzia via use-livecode > wrote: > > You’ll need a very good grasp of Web technologies such as HTML, CSS, JS. You > will also need a good understanding of servers, protocols, and databases. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Hi Richard, Why is Discourse better than Dat-course? LOL Discourse is $50 per month! No free option for that. Thanks for your input. Rick > On Sep 18, 2023, at 1:57 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode > wrote: > > > Don't build it yourself. It's a lot of work. Software is almost always more > affordable to buy than build, and most forum packages these days are FOSS and > free of cost. > > Crafting the user experience alone would take months to do well. And if you > think security is lacking in established packages see what happens when you > roll your own. ;) > > Use Discourse. There are others, but Discourse is currently the go-to choice > for new forums. Great UX, open source. > > Another option that's become increasingly popular is to ditch hosting your > own forum altogether and using Discord instead. Forums can be set up there > for free, with native mobile apps available and rich APIs if you need to > customize anything. > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World Systems ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Forum Software LC?
Just be aware that discord has horrible threading. Never run your own stuff on the web unless you’re really sure what you’re doing (unless it is read-only stuff). Preventing SQL and Scripting injection is not a trivial thing to do and in that sense LiveCode and PHP are kinda the same. Doing a forum in LiveCode is a cool experience and will teach you a lot, but if you’re gonna do it, you will need to be prepared to get really good into other aspects of development beyond LiveCode. You’ll need a very good grasp of Web technologies such as HTML, CSS, JS. You will also need a good understanding of servers, protocols, and databases. As Richard said, it is not an easy project. > On 18 Sep 2023, at 18:57, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode > wrote: > > Rick Harrison wrote: >> Has anyone built Forum Software with LiveCode? > There are a lot of PHP >> ones, but I have yet to > find one that was built with LiveCode. > > PHP is >> hacked all the time, and I have found > hacker bots that try to hack my >> server all > the time by exploiting holes in PHP. They > even try to install >> PHP on my server so they > can then use it to hack my server! > > I think >> Forum Software built with LiveCode > could be more secure, but I don’t >> want to > build it myself if someone has already > created it. > > Suggestions? > > > Don't build it yourself. It's a lot of work. Software is almost always more > affordable to buy than build, and most forum packages these days are FOSS and > free of cost. > > Crafting the user experience alone would take months to do well. And if you > think security is lacking in established packages see what happens when you > roll your own. ;) > > Use Discourse. There are others, but Discourse is currently the go-to choice > for new forums. Great UX, open source. > > Another option that's become increasingly popular is to ditch hosting your > own forum altogether and using Discord instead. Forums can be set up there > for free, with native mobile apps available and rich APIs if you need to > customize anything. > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World Systems > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Forum Software LC?
Rick Harrison wrote: > Has anyone built Forum Software with LiveCode? There are a lot of PHP > ones, but I have yet to find one that was built with LiveCode. PHP is > hacked all the time, and I have found hacker bots that try to hack my > server all the time by exploiting holes in PHP. They even try to install > PHP on my server so they can then use it to hack my server! I think > Forum Software built with LiveCode could be more secure, but I don’t > want to build it myself if someone has already created it. Suggestions? Don't build it yourself. It's a lot of work. Software is almost always more affordable to buy than build, and most forum packages these days are FOSS and free of cost. Crafting the user experience alone would take months to do well. And if you think security is lacking in established packages see what happens when you roll your own. ;) Use Discourse. There are others, but Discourse is currently the go-to choice for new forums. Great UX, open source. Another option that's become increasingly popular is to ditch hosting your own forum altogether and using Discord instead. Forums can be set up there for free, with native mobile apps available and rich APIs if you need to customize anything. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
