Re: From my spam box:
I'm picturing this now--and the picture is hilarious! :-) Sent from my iPad On Jul 20, 2014, at 4:40 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: _F-I-T--_I N-T O..--_Y O..U_R--..B..I-K_I..N-I---_E-A..S-I_L Y_- A-G..A..I-N, Richmondmathewson I couldn't resist posting this. Sorry! Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Marian- Sunday, July 20, 2014, 1:58:56 AM, you wrote: I'm picturing this now--and the picture is hilarious! :-) Oh, I *do* wish I could unthink that now. -- -Mark Wieder ahsoftw...@gmail.com This communication may be unlawfully collected and stored by the National Security Agency (NSA) in secret. The parties to this email do not consent to the retrieving or storing of this communication and any related metadata, as well as printing, copying, re-transmitting, disseminating, or otherwise using it. If you believe you have received this communication in error, please delete it immediately. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: From my Spam box: A Newer, Thicker, Stronger . . .
On 08.07.2014 at 20:36 Uhr +0300 Richmond apparently wrote: Frankly if all I need is a title: I'll make it in a textField in the IDE, tweak it around and do an import snapshot so I end up with an image - then no Unicode needed at all. You'd have to be daft to include 'a bloater' of a library just for the sake of a title. Richmond. Considering that the percentage of applications that do not need text at all (no title, no error message, including no runtime message from the the LC engine) is probably really, really tiny, the question is whether it is worth the trouble to implement and support such a switch. RObert ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: From my Spam box: A Newer, Thicker, Stronger . . .
A large part of the unicode bloat comes from the dictionaries. They are a kind of language descriptor for almost every written language on earth, their dialects, and synonym ways to write a character. If you're only really interested in european languages, being able to disable 99% of those will make the engine as small as it was before the changes. I don't know if disabling those will impede people from writing chinese or cyrilic in your app tho, if the appropriate definitions where removed. On 09 Jul 2014, at 10:46, Robert Brenstein r...@robelko.com wrote: On 08.07.2014 at 20:36 Uhr +0300 Richmond apparently wrote: Frankly if all I need is a title: I'll make it in a textField in the IDE, tweak it around and do an import snapshot so I end up with an image - then no Unicode needed at all. You'd have to be daft to include 'a bloater' of a library just for the sake of a title. Richmond. Considering that the percentage of applications that do not need text at all (no title, no error message, including no runtime message from the the LC engine) is probably really, really tiny, the question is whether it is worth the trouble to implement and support such a switch. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: From my Spam box: A Newer, Thicker, Stronger . . .
Björnke von Gierke wrote: A large part of the unicode bloat comes from the dictionaries. They are a kind of language descriptor for almost every written language on earth, their dialects, and synonym ways to write a character. If you're only really interested in european languages, being able to disable 99% of those will make the engine as small as it was before the changes. I don't know if disabling those will impede people from writing chinese or cyrilic in your app tho, if the appropriate definitions where removed. With all the talk of making the engine more modular this seems a relatively easy one-stop way to cut the engine size in half for those who know they only need Latin-ISO 8859-1 for a given app. Anyone submit a request for a checkbox for this in the Standalone Builder? Is this even doable? If not, could it be made doable? 15 MB base size is a bit much. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: From my Spam box: A Newer, Thicker, Stronger . . .
On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: Anyone submit a request for a checkbox for this in the Standalone Builder? or even a whole panel Languages *--* *Stephen Barncard - San Francisco Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words* ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: From my Spam box: A Newer, Thicker, Stronger . . .
On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 2:37 AM, Björnke von Gierke b...@mac.com wrote: If you're only really interested in european languages, being able to disable 99% of those will make the engine as small as it was before the changes. I don't even want the rest of the european languages! (although ñ and accents can appear in names). There is *no* prospect of international use for my program. -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: From my Spam box: A Newer, Thicker, Stronger . . .
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 8:38 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: Now, if I build a standalone with version 7 it is really bloated compared with a standalone hived off an earlier version: possibly because of all those additional features my standalone is not even going to use. As there is no GM version of 7 yet, one might reserve judgement regarding bloat - as one could assume that there is some amount in debugging code in the pre-release versions. In addition, I would expect some major trimming to occur through compiling adjustments and code revisions. *--* *Stephen Barncard - San Francisco Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words* ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: From my Spam box: A Newer, Thicker, Stronger . . .
On 08/07/14 19:02, stephen barncard wrote: On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 8:38 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: Now, if I build a standalone with version 7 it is really bloated compared with a standalone hived off an earlier version: possibly because of all those additional features my standalone is not even going to use. As there is no GM version of 7 yet, one might reserve judgement regarding bloat - as one could assume that there is some amount in debugging code in the pre-release versions. In addition, I would expect some major trimming to occur through compiling adjustments and code revisions. As far as I understand, a very large amount of the bloat (or 'bloat' if you prefer) is due to the open source stuff to expand Livecode's Unicode abilities: they will, most definitely not be trimmed as they are very much part of the new feature set of Livecode 7. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: From my Spam box: A Newer, Thicker, Stronger . . .
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: As far as I understand, a very large amount of the bloat (or 'bloat' if you prefer) is due to the open source stuff to expand Livecode's Unicode abilities: they will, most definitely not be trimmed as they are very much part of the new feature set of Livecode 7. Well then, big bloat is the new bloat. The world looks bigger when it's 64 bit I guess. *--* *Stephen Barncard - San Francisco Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words* ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: From my Spam box: A Newer, Thicker, Stronger . . .
On 7/8/2014, 11:54 AM, stephen barncard wrote: On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: As far as I understand, a very large amount of the bloat (or 'bloat' if you prefer) is due to the open source stuff to expand Livecode's Unicode abilities: they will, most definitely not be trimmed as they are very much part of the new feature set of Livecode 7. Well then, big bloat is the new bloat. The world looks bigger when it's 64 bit I guess. RR has said they are looking into ways to trim some of the unicode library during a build, which they admit is huge. I suspect the app size will still be larger, but maybe not as large as it is right now. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: From my Spam box: A Newer, Thicker, Stronger . . .
On 08/07/14 20:02, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 7/8/2014, 11:54 AM, stephen barncard wrote: On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: As far as I understand, a very large amount of the bloat (or 'bloat' if you prefer) is due to the open source stuff to expand Livecode's Unicode abilities: they will, most definitely not be trimmed as they are very much part of the new feature set of Livecode 7. Well then, big bloat is the new bloat. The world looks bigger when it's 64 bit I guess. RR has said they are looking into ways to trim some of the unicode library during a build, which they admit is huge. I suspect the app size will still be larger, but maybe not as large as it is right now. One of the words that has been buzzing around is 'modularise' (or, possibly 'modularize' . . .); and just as at present, with the standalone builder, one can opt to include certain things and exclude others, it would be good if that capability was expanded so that developers could include in their standalone engine what they required, and leave out what they didn't. For the sake of argument; it would be a bit odd to have to include all the Unicode stuff if one were building a statistical calculator. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: From my Spam box: A Newer, Thicker, Stronger . . .
On 08/07/14 20:24, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 7/8/2014, 12:12 PM, Richmond wrote: One of the words that has been buzzing around is 'modularise' (or, possibly 'modularize' . . .); and just as at present, with the standalone builder, one can opt to include certain things and exclude others, it would be good if that capability was expanded so that developers could include in their standalone engine what they required, and leave out what they didn't. For the sake of argument; it would be a bit odd to have to include all the Unicode stuff if one were building a statistical calculator. Agree, and I hope there is a toggle switch. But on the other hand, even a calculator probably has a title or an About box, and then you'd need unicode again if you plan to localize the app. Frankly if all I need is a title: I'll make it in a textField in the IDE, tweak it around and do an import snapshot so I end up with an image - then no Unicode needed at all. You'd have to be daft to include 'a bloater' of a library just for the sake of a title. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
