Re: LC 9.6.0 RC1 Splash/Launch Images

2020-05-23 Thread Graham Samuel via use-livecode
No I don’t, because you’re not given the opportunity to do so. I also don’t 
understand the storyboard idea at all - there are or were some very precise 
guidelines about splash screens in the Apple documentation (App Store Connect 
Help). There were certain key sizes and the system was willing to manufacture 
some intermediate sizes itself, so one ended up with an exact splash screen for 
every device. Now that’s disappeared, apparently in favour of a 
three-sizes-fits-all policy that doesn’t seem to be working too well. I suppose 
the documentation must have changed, so I’ll have to go back and see what they 
say now. By the way you would at least think that this simplification would 
make your standalone smaller, but mine’s got a lot bigger (more than twice as 
big - I can’t think of another reason, but I suppose there must be one).

The app I’m working on is portrait only, and I hadn’t really planned for it to 
be used on iPads, partly because I’ve never met anyone with a GPS-enabled iPad, 
and my app depends on GPS. This was a mistake really, as there are probably 
lots of GPS-enabled ones somewhere in the world. I’ll see what it looks like in 
the Simulator. If there’s any interesting news, I’ll report back.

Graham

> On 22 May 2020, at 22:51, scott--- via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello Graham,
> 
> In the Standalone Applications Settings do you have it set to build for iPad 
> as well as iPhone?  I’m not at all experienced with the new splash options or 
> how the setting work together… just an idea.
> --
> Scott
> 
>> On May 22, 2020, at 1:25 PM, Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> My x3 splash is already smaller than the largest real requirement for an 
>> iPhone, 1242 x 2688. Mine is only 2048 x 2732. So you could argue that my x3 
>> splash should be even larger than I’ve supplied.
>> 
>> I don’t see why the system doesn’t pick the smallest size that will fit - so 
>> for my iPhone XS for example, which needs 1125x2436 for an exact fit, I have 
>> supplied my x2 splash at exactly the right size. 
>> 
>> I realise this is not desperately important, especially as I can adopt 
>> Andrew’s solution below, but there does seem to be something wrong here. It 
>> will be interesting to read the LC lesson on this when it comes out!
>> 
>> Graham
>> 
>>> On 22 May 2020, at 18:41, Andrew at MidWest Coast Media via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I had the same problem when creating storyboards: the icon was too big. My 
>>> app was portrait so I could tell the dimensions were backwards, but when 
>>> using the the recommended sizes the logo ran off the edges. Placing the 1x 
>>> version in the 2x slot (and the 2x in the 3x slot) seemed to make things 
>>> look more like what I expected.
>>> 
>>> Making the first card of the stack have the same background color as the 
>>> Storyboard worked fine, then just...
>>> unlock screen for visual effect
>>> go next card
>>> unlock screen with visual effect “dissolve” very fast
>>> 
>>> —Andrew Bell
>> 
>> 
>>> On 22 May 2020, at 14:48, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> *>LC 9.6.0 rc1 reported that I hadn’t provided a portrait splash screen
>>> for iPad*
>>> 
>>> Yes, this is a bug in LC 9.6 RC-1, which is fixed in LC 9.6 RC-2.
>>> 
>>> *>and the Simulator showed the splash screen too large for the screen
>>> of the device *
>>> 
>>> Hmm, then I would expect the splash to show too large in the physical
>>> device as well. In this case, I would try with a smaller splash.
>>> 
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Panos
>>> --
>>> 
>>> On Fri, 22 May 2020 at 15:25, Graham Samuel via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
 I did that, so fine, but noticed two issues: when making the standalone LC
 9.6.0 rc1 reported that I hadn’t provided a portrait splash screen for
 iPad, when in fact there is no way of doing so since the storyboard change;
 and the Simulator showed the splash screen too large for the screen of the
 device (an iPhone XS). (Not sure if the real app does that as I’m having
 trouble uploading - that’s a different conversation.)
 
 Graham
 
> On 22 May 2020, at 13:51, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
 use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Just realised that the image sizes I suggested are for landscape, so if
> your app uses portrait, just swap the width with the height.
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, 17 May 2020 at 21:35, Colin Holgate via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> What I’ve done for a while is to use a flat color that is the average of
>> the colors in the actual title screen. The splash screen is not around
 for
>> very long, and with there being lots of different sizes required, a
>> detailed splash screen could possibly take up 50 MB of app side, for the
>> sake of a fraction of a second.
>> 
>> In the best case it feels like the title screen 

Re: LC 9.6.0 RC1 Splash/Launch Images

2020-05-22 Thread scott--- via use-livecode
Hello Graham,

In the Standalone Applications Settings do you have it set to build for iPad as 
well as iPhone?  I’m not at all experienced with the new splash options or how 
the setting work together… just an idea.
--
Scott

> On May 22, 2020, at 1:25 PM, Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> My x3 splash is already smaller than the largest real requirement for an 
> iPhone, 1242 x 2688. Mine is only 2048 x 2732. So you could argue that my x3 
> splash should be even larger than I’ve supplied.
> 
> I don’t see why the system doesn’t pick the smallest size that will fit - so 
> for my iPhone XS for example, which needs 1125x2436 for an exact fit, I have 
> supplied my x2 splash at exactly the right size. 
> 
> I realise this is not desperately important, especially as I can adopt 
> Andrew’s solution below, but there does seem to be something wrong here. It 
> will be interesting to read the LC lesson on this when it comes out!
> 
> Graham
> 
>> On 22 May 2020, at 18:41, Andrew at MidWest Coast Media via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I had the same problem when creating storyboards: the icon was too big. My 
>> app was portrait so I could tell the dimensions were backwards, but when 
>> using the the recommended sizes the logo ran off the edges. Placing the 1x 
>> version in the 2x slot (and the 2x in the 3x slot) seemed to make things 
>> look more like what I expected.
>> 
>> Making the first card of the stack have the same background color as the 
>> Storyboard worked fine, then just...
>> unlock screen for visual effect
>> go next card
>> unlock screen with visual effect “dissolve” very fast
>> 
>> —Andrew Bell
> 
> 
>> On 22 May 2020, at 14:48, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> *>LC 9.6.0 rc1 reported that I hadn’t provided a portrait splash screen
>> for iPad*
>> 
>> Yes, this is a bug in LC 9.6 RC-1, which is fixed in LC 9.6 RC-2.
>> 
>> *>and the Simulator showed the splash screen too large for the screen
>> of the device *
>> 
>> Hmm, then I would expect the splash to show too large in the physical
>> device as well. In this case, I would try with a smaller splash.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> Panos
>> --
>> 
>> On Fri, 22 May 2020 at 15:25, Graham Samuel via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I did that, so fine, but noticed two issues: when making the standalone LC
>>> 9.6.0 rc1 reported that I hadn’t provided a portrait splash screen for
>>> iPad, when in fact there is no way of doing so since the storyboard change;
>>> and the Simulator showed the splash screen too large for the screen of the
>>> device (an iPhone XS). (Not sure if the real app does that as I’m having
>>> trouble uploading - that’s a different conversation.)
>>> 
>>> Graham
>>> 
 On 22 May 2020, at 13:51, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
 
 Just realised that the image sizes I suggested are for landscape, so if
 your app uses portrait, just swap the width with the height.
 
 
 
 On Sun, 17 May 2020 at 21:35, Colin Holgate via use-livecode <
 use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
 
> What I’ve done for a while is to use a flat color that is the average of
> the colors in the actual title screen. The splash screen is not around
>>> for
> very long, and with there being lots of different sizes required, a
> detailed splash screen could possibly take up 50 MB of app side, for the
> sake of a fraction of a second.
> 
> In the best case it feels like the title screen faded into view. In
>>> fact,
> you could do that, quickly fade in from a matching flat background
>>> color.
> 
> 
>> On May 17, 2020, at 10:58 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Graham,
>> 
>> The new storyboard mechanism has some restrictions as it is (we might
>> enhance it in the future)
>> 
>> For example it is no longer possible to have an exact (pixel) matching
>>> of
>> the splash screen and the first card of the stack as it appears on the
>> device
>> 
>> So the best suggestion now is to use a splash image that has just a
>>> logo
> at
>> the center and it is transparent, and also to set the background of the
>> splash in the standalone settings.
>> 
>> In that way, in all devices (ipads/iphones) you will get a centered
>>> logo
>> with the background you set in the standalone settings (or you can
>>> choose
>> to not set the background - in this case the default background color
> will
>> be used depending on the device appearance: white if the device is on
> light
>> mode and black if the device is on dark mode)
>> 
>> Of course, if you do not wish to have a splash that shows just a logo,
> you
>> can choose a regular image (or 3 regular images, one for each 1x,2x,3x
>> slots) and also set the 

Re: LC 9.6.0 RC1 Splash/Launch Images

2020-05-22 Thread Graham Samuel via use-livecode
My x3 splash is already smaller than the largest real requirement for an 
iPhone, 1242 x 2688. Mine is only 2048 x 2732. So you could argue that my x3 
splash should be even larger than I’ve supplied.

I don’t see why the system doesn’t pick the smallest size that will fit - so 
for my iPhone XS for example, which needs 1125x2436 for an exact fit, I have 
supplied my x2 splash at exactly the right size. 

I realise this is not desperately important, especially as I can adopt Andrew’s 
solution below, but there does seem to be something wrong here. It will be 
interesting to read the LC lesson on this when it comes out!

Graham

> On 22 May 2020, at 18:41, Andrew at MidWest Coast Media via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I had the same problem when creating storyboards: the icon was too big. My 
> app was portrait so I could tell the dimensions were backwards, but when 
> using the the recommended sizes the logo ran off the edges. Placing the 1x 
> version in the 2x slot (and the 2x in the 3x slot) seemed to make things look 
> more like what I expected.
> 
> Making the first card of the stack have the same background color as the 
> Storyboard worked fine, then just...
> unlock screen for visual effect
> go next card
> unlock screen with visual effect “dissolve” very fast
> 
> —Andrew Bell


> On 22 May 2020, at 14:48, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> *>LC 9.6.0 rc1 reported that I hadn’t provided a portrait splash screen
> for iPad*
> 
> Yes, this is a bug in LC 9.6 RC-1, which is fixed in LC 9.6 RC-2.
> 
> *>and the Simulator showed the splash screen too large for the screen
> of the device *
> 
> Hmm, then I would expect the splash to show too large in the physical
> device as well. In this case, I would try with a smaller splash.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Panos
> --
> 
> On Fri, 22 May 2020 at 15:25, Graham Samuel via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> I did that, so fine, but noticed two issues: when making the standalone LC
>> 9.6.0 rc1 reported that I hadn’t provided a portrait splash screen for
>> iPad, when in fact there is no way of doing so since the storyboard change;
>> and the Simulator showed the splash screen too large for the screen of the
>> device (an iPhone XS). (Not sure if the real app does that as I’m having
>> trouble uploading - that’s a different conversation.)
>> 
>> Graham
>> 
>>> On 22 May 2020, at 13:51, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Just realised that the image sizes I suggested are for landscape, so if
>>> your app uses portrait, just swap the width with the height.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sun, 17 May 2020 at 21:35, Colin Holgate via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
 What I’ve done for a while is to use a flat color that is the average of
 the colors in the actual title screen. The splash screen is not around
>> for
 very long, and with there being lots of different sizes required, a
 detailed splash screen could possibly take up 50 MB of app side, for the
 sake of a fraction of a second.
 
 In the best case it feels like the title screen faded into view. In
>> fact,
 you could do that, quickly fade in from a matching flat background
>> color.
 
 
> On May 17, 2020, at 10:58 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
 use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello Graham,
> 
> The new storyboard mechanism has some restrictions as it is (we might
> enhance it in the future)
> 
> For example it is no longer possible to have an exact (pixel) matching
>> of
> the splash screen and the first card of the stack as it appears on the
> device
> 
> So the best suggestion now is to use a splash image that has just a
>> logo
 at
> the center and it is transparent, and also to set the background of the
> splash in the standalone settings.
> 
> In that way, in all devices (ipads/iphones) you will get a centered
>> logo
> with the background you set in the standalone settings (or you can
>> choose
> to not set the background - in this case the default background color
 will
> be used depending on the device appearance: white if the device is on
 light
> mode and black if the device is on dark mode)
> 
> Of course, if you do not wish to have a splash that shows just a logo,
 you
> can choose a regular image (or 3 regular images, one for each 1x,2x,3x
> slots) and also set the background color to match the image background
> color. In this case, depending of the device, the app will use the one
>> of
> the three images that is closer to the device screen size, and will
 center
> this image to the screen.
> 
> This means that the image in some devices will either match exactly, or
 it
> will be larger (in this case it will be cropped and the edges will not
> show), or it 

Re: LC 9.6.0 RC1 Splash/Launch Images

2020-05-22 Thread Andrew at MidWest Coast Media via use-livecode
I had the same problem when creating storyboards: the icon was too big. My app 
was portrait so I could tell the dimensions were backwards, but when using the 
the recommended sizes the logo ran off the edges. Placing the 1x version in the 
2x slot (and the 2x in the 3x slot) seemed to make things look more like what I 
expected.

Making the first card of the stack have the same background color as the 
Storyboard worked fine, then just...
unlock screen for visual effect
go next card
unlock screen with visual effect “dissolve” very fast

—Andrew Bell


> *>and the Simulator showed the splash screen too large for the screen
> of the device *
> 
> Hmm, then I would expect the splash to show too large in the physical
> device as well. In this case, I would try with a smaller splash.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Panos
> --
> 
> On Fri, 22 May 2020 at 15:25, Graham Samuel via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> I did that, so fine, but noticed two issues: when making the standalone LC
>> 9.6.0 rc1 reported that I hadn?t provided a portrait splash screen for
>> iPad, when in fact there is no way of doing so since the storyboard change;
>> and the Simulator showed the splash screen too large for the screen of the
>> device (an iPhone XS). (Not sure if the real app does that as I?m having
>> trouble uploading - that?s a different conversation.)
>> 
>> Graham


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Re: LC 9.6.0 RC1 Splash/Launch Images

2020-05-22 Thread panagiotis merakos via use-livecode
*>LC 9.6.0 rc1 reported that I hadn’t provided a portrait splash screen
for iPad*

Yes, this is a bug in LC 9.6 RC-1, which is fixed in LC 9.6 RC-2.

*>and the Simulator showed the splash screen too large for the screen
of the device *

Hmm, then I would expect the splash to show too large in the physical
device as well. In this case, I would try with a smaller splash.

Kind regards,
Panos
--

On Fri, 22 May 2020 at 15:25, Graham Samuel via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I did that, so fine, but noticed two issues: when making the standalone LC
> 9.6.0 rc1 reported that I hadn’t provided a portrait splash screen for
> iPad, when in fact there is no way of doing so since the storyboard change;
> and the Simulator showed the splash screen too large for the screen of the
> device (an iPhone XS). (Not sure if the real app does that as I’m having
> trouble uploading - that’s a different conversation.)
>
> Graham
>
> > On 22 May 2020, at 13:51, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Just realised that the image sizes I suggested are for landscape, so if
> > your app uses portrait, just swap the width with the height.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 17 May 2020 at 21:35, Colin Holgate via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> What I’ve done for a while is to use a flat color that is the average of
> >> the colors in the actual title screen. The splash screen is not around
> for
> >> very long, and with there being lots of different sizes required, a
> >> detailed splash screen could possibly take up 50 MB of app side, for the
> >> sake of a fraction of a second.
> >>
> >> In the best case it feels like the title screen faded into view. In
> fact,
> >> you could do that, quickly fade in from a matching flat background
> color.
> >>
> >>
> >>> On May 17, 2020, at 10:58 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hello Graham,
> >>>
> >>> The new storyboard mechanism has some restrictions as it is (we might
> >>> enhance it in the future)
> >>>
> >>> For example it is no longer possible to have an exact (pixel) matching
> of
> >>> the splash screen and the first card of the stack as it appears on the
> >>> device
> >>>
> >>> So the best suggestion now is to use a splash image that has just a
> logo
> >> at
> >>> the center and it is transparent, and also to set the background of the
> >>> splash in the standalone settings.
> >>>
> >>> In that way, in all devices (ipads/iphones) you will get a centered
> logo
> >>> with the background you set in the standalone settings (or you can
> choose
> >>> to not set the background - in this case the default background color
> >> will
> >>> be used depending on the device appearance: white if the device is on
> >> light
> >>> mode and black if the device is on dark mode)
> >>>
> >>> Of course, if you do not wish to have a splash that shows just a logo,
> >> you
> >>> can choose a regular image (or 3 regular images, one for each 1x,2x,3x
> >>> slots) and also set the background color to match the image background
> >>> color. In this case, depending of the device, the app will use the one
> of
> >>> the three images that is closer to the device screen size, and will
> >> center
> >>> this image to the screen.
> >>>
> >>> This means that the image in some devices will either match exactly, or
> >> it
> >>> will be larger (in this case it will be cropped and the edges will not
> >>> show), or it will be smaller (in this case it will be centered at the
> >>> device screen, and the left/top/right/bottom areas will show the
> >> background
> >>> color that was set in the standalone settings.
> >>>
> >>> One might ask, what size should the images be then? Well, it depends on
> >> the
> >>> images (i.e. how much content they have at the center, and if you are
> OK
> >> if
> >>> some of the content at the edges is cropped etc). A rule of thumb - as
> I
> >>> understand it - is the following:
> >>>
> >>> -use a "small", a "medium" and a "large" image for each of the 1x, 2x
> and
> >>> 3x slots, where "small" is the smallest image you used before the
> >>> storyboard, "large" is the largest you used before, and "medium" is
> >>> something in-between.
> >>>
> >>> For example, you could try images with these dimensions:
> >>>
> >>> - 1334x750
> >>> - 2208x1242 (x2)
> >>> - 2732x2048 (x3)
> >>>
> >>> Hope this helps.
> >>>
> >>> We will write a lesson for this topic soon.
> >>>
> >>> Kind regards,
> >>> Panos
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, 16 May 2020 at 17:49, Graham Samuel via use-livecode <
> >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
>  This is not to answer my own question, but to emphasise the apparent
>  difficulty of getting this aspect of creating an iOS app right just by
>  using just LC and a reasonable graphics editor on a Mac. It means to
> me
>  that a lot of careful instructions need to be provided by 

Re: LC 9.6.0 RC1 Splash/Launch Images

2020-05-22 Thread Graham Samuel via use-livecode
I did that, so fine, but noticed two issues: when making the standalone LC 
9.6.0 rc1 reported that I hadn’t provided a portrait splash screen for iPad, 
when in fact there is no way of doing so since the storyboard change; and the 
Simulator showed the splash screen too large for the screen of the device (an 
iPhone XS). (Not sure if the real app does that as I’m having trouble uploading 
- that’s a different conversation.)

Graham

> On 22 May 2020, at 13:51, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Just realised that the image sizes I suggested are for landscape, so if
> your app uses portrait, just swap the width with the height.
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, 17 May 2020 at 21:35, Colin Holgate via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> What I’ve done for a while is to use a flat color that is the average of
>> the colors in the actual title screen. The splash screen is not around for
>> very long, and with there being lots of different sizes required, a
>> detailed splash screen could possibly take up 50 MB of app side, for the
>> sake of a fraction of a second.
>> 
>> In the best case it feels like the title screen faded into view. In fact,
>> you could do that, quickly fade in from a matching flat background color.
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 17, 2020, at 10:58 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Graham,
>>> 
>>> The new storyboard mechanism has some restrictions as it is (we might
>>> enhance it in the future)
>>> 
>>> For example it is no longer possible to have an exact (pixel) matching of
>>> the splash screen and the first card of the stack as it appears on the
>>> device
>>> 
>>> So the best suggestion now is to use a splash image that has just a logo
>> at
>>> the center and it is transparent, and also to set the background of the
>>> splash in the standalone settings.
>>> 
>>> In that way, in all devices (ipads/iphones) you will get a centered logo
>>> with the background you set in the standalone settings (or you can choose
>>> to not set the background - in this case the default background color
>> will
>>> be used depending on the device appearance: white if the device is on
>> light
>>> mode and black if the device is on dark mode)
>>> 
>>> Of course, if you do not wish to have a splash that shows just a logo,
>> you
>>> can choose a regular image (or 3 regular images, one for each 1x,2x,3x
>>> slots) and also set the background color to match the image background
>>> color. In this case, depending of the device, the app will use the one of
>>> the three images that is closer to the device screen size, and will
>> center
>>> this image to the screen.
>>> 
>>> This means that the image in some devices will either match exactly, or
>> it
>>> will be larger (in this case it will be cropped and the edges will not
>>> show), or it will be smaller (in this case it will be centered at the
>>> device screen, and the left/top/right/bottom areas will show the
>> background
>>> color that was set in the standalone settings.
>>> 
>>> One might ask, what size should the images be then? Well, it depends on
>> the
>>> images (i.e. how much content they have at the center, and if you are OK
>> if
>>> some of the content at the edges is cropped etc). A rule of thumb - as I
>>> understand it - is the following:
>>> 
>>> -use a "small", a "medium" and a "large" image for each of the 1x, 2x and
>>> 3x slots, where "small" is the smallest image you used before the
>>> storyboard, "large" is the largest you used before, and "medium" is
>>> something in-between.
>>> 
>>> For example, you could try images with these dimensions:
>>> 
>>> - 1334x750
>>> - 2208x1242 (x2)
>>> - 2732x2048 (x3)
>>> 
>>> Hope this helps.
>>> 
>>> We will write a lesson for this topic soon.
>>> 
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Panos
>>> --
>>> 
>>> On Sat, 16 May 2020 at 17:49, Graham Samuel via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
 This is not to answer my own question, but to emphasise the apparent
 difficulty of getting this aspect of creating an iOS app right just by
 using just LC and a reasonable graphics editor on a Mac. It means to me
 that a lot of careful instructions need to be provided by somebody in
>> the
 LC universe, since the policy (I sincerely hope!) is to get LC
>> developers
 to avoid getting deep into XCode. I found this, which frankly scares me.
 
 https://wiki.starling-framework.org/manual/ios_launch_images
 
 Can anyone help me to a less nerdy way of getting this right? I don’t
 even know what a storyboard is!
 
 Graham
 
> On 16 May 2020, at 00:40, Graham Samuel via use-livecode <
 use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I see that the iOS Standalone Settings have changed in this version, no
 doubt to accommodate Apple’s new rules. One is required to provide six
 images as “Launch Images” under the “Splash” tab. It seems that there’s
>> an

Re: LC 9.6.0 RC1 Splash/Launch Images

2020-05-22 Thread panagiotis merakos via use-livecode
Just realised that the image sizes I suggested are for landscape, so if
your app uses portrait, just swap the width with the height.



On Sun, 17 May 2020 at 21:35, Colin Holgate via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> What I’ve done for a while is to use a flat color that is the average of
> the colors in the actual title screen. The splash screen is not around for
> very long, and with there being lots of different sizes required, a
> detailed splash screen could possibly take up 50 MB of app side, for the
> sake of a fraction of a second.
>
> In the best case it feels like the title screen faded into view. In fact,
> you could do that, quickly fade in from a matching flat background color.
>
>
> > On May 17, 2020, at 10:58 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Graham,
> >
> > The new storyboard mechanism has some restrictions as it is (we might
> > enhance it in the future)
> >
> > For example it is no longer possible to have an exact (pixel) matching of
> > the splash screen and the first card of the stack as it appears on the
> > device
> >
> > So the best suggestion now is to use a splash image that has just a logo
> at
> > the center and it is transparent, and also to set the background of the
> > splash in the standalone settings.
> >
> > In that way, in all devices (ipads/iphones) you will get a centered logo
> > with the background you set in the standalone settings (or you can choose
> > to not set the background - in this case the default background color
> will
> > be used depending on the device appearance: white if the device is on
> light
> > mode and black if the device is on dark mode)
> >
> > Of course, if you do not wish to have a splash that shows just a logo,
> you
> > can choose a regular image (or 3 regular images, one for each 1x,2x,3x
> > slots) and also set the background color to match the image background
> > color. In this case, depending of the device, the app will use the one of
> > the three images that is closer to the device screen size, and will
> center
> > this image to the screen.
> >
> > This means that the image in some devices will either match exactly, or
> it
> > will be larger (in this case it will be cropped and the edges will not
> > show), or it will be smaller (in this case it will be centered at the
> > device screen, and the left/top/right/bottom areas will show the
> background
> > color that was set in the standalone settings.
> >
> > One might ask, what size should the images be then? Well, it depends on
> the
> > images (i.e. how much content they have at the center, and if you are OK
> if
> > some of the content at the edges is cropped etc). A rule of thumb - as I
> > understand it - is the following:
> >
> > -use a "small", a "medium" and a "large" image for each of the 1x, 2x and
> > 3x slots, where "small" is the smallest image you used before the
> > storyboard, "large" is the largest you used before, and "medium" is
> > something in-between.
> >
> > For example, you could try images with these dimensions:
> >
> > - 1334x750
> > - 2208x1242 (x2)
> > - 2732x2048 (x3)
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> >
> > We will write a lesson for this topic soon.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Panos
> > --
> >
> > On Sat, 16 May 2020 at 17:49, Graham Samuel via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> This is not to answer my own question, but to emphasise the apparent
> >> difficulty of getting this aspect of creating an iOS app right just by
> >> using just LC and a reasonable graphics editor on a Mac. It means to me
> >> that a lot of careful instructions need to be provided by somebody in
> the
> >> LC universe, since the policy (I sincerely hope!) is to get LC
> developers
> >> to avoid getting deep into XCode. I found this, which frankly scares me.
> >>
> >> https://wiki.starling-framework.org/manual/ios_launch_images
> >>
> >> Can anyone help me to a less nerdy way of getting this right? I don’t
> >> even know what a storyboard is!
> >>
> >> Graham
> >>
> >>> On 16 May 2020, at 00:40, Graham Samuel via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I see that the iOS Standalone Settings have changed in this version, no
> >> doubt to accommodate Apple’s new rules. One is required to provide six
> >> images as “Launch Images” under the “Splash” tab. It seems that there’s
> an
> >> image, a 2x image and a 3x image, and then another three for dark mode.
> >>>
> >>> There is no tooltip to suggest how large these images should be - in
> >> previous versions they had to be tailored to different device screen
> sizes.
> >> Now it seems anything goes, or does it?
> >>>
> >>> Can anyone explain what the dimensions of these images are supposed to
> >> be? Does “2x” just mean twice the original size in each direction or
> what?
> >> Can’t see anything in the release notes, but maybe I wasn’t paying
> >> attention.
> >>>
> >>> Graham
> >>> 

Re: LC 9.6.0 RC1 Splash/Launch Images

2020-05-17 Thread Colin Holgate via use-livecode
What I’ve done for a while is to use a flat color that is the average of the 
colors in the actual title screen. The splash screen is not around for very 
long, and with there being lots of different sizes required, a detailed splash 
screen could possibly take up 50 MB of app side, for the sake of a fraction of 
a second.

In the best case it feels like the title screen faded into view. In fact, you 
could do that, quickly fade in from a matching flat background color.


> On May 17, 2020, at 10:58 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello Graham,
> 
> The new storyboard mechanism has some restrictions as it is (we might
> enhance it in the future)
> 
> For example it is no longer possible to have an exact (pixel) matching of
> the splash screen and the first card of the stack as it appears on the
> device
> 
> So the best suggestion now is to use a splash image that has just a logo at
> the center and it is transparent, and also to set the background of the
> splash in the standalone settings.
> 
> In that way, in all devices (ipads/iphones) you will get a centered logo
> with the background you set in the standalone settings (or you can choose
> to not set the background - in this case the default background color will
> be used depending on the device appearance: white if the device is on light
> mode and black if the device is on dark mode)
> 
> Of course, if you do not wish to have a splash that shows just a logo, you
> can choose a regular image (or 3 regular images, one for each 1x,2x,3x
> slots) and also set the background color to match the image background
> color. In this case, depending of the device, the app will use the one of
> the three images that is closer to the device screen size, and will center
> this image to the screen.
> 
> This means that the image in some devices will either match exactly, or it
> will be larger (in this case it will be cropped and the edges will not
> show), or it will be smaller (in this case it will be centered at the
> device screen, and the left/top/right/bottom areas will show the background
> color that was set in the standalone settings.
> 
> One might ask, what size should the images be then? Well, it depends on the
> images (i.e. how much content they have at the center, and if you are OK if
> some of the content at the edges is cropped etc). A rule of thumb - as I
> understand it - is the following:
> 
> -use a "small", a "medium" and a "large" image for each of the 1x, 2x and
> 3x slots, where "small" is the smallest image you used before the
> storyboard, "large" is the largest you used before, and "medium" is
> something in-between.
> 
> For example, you could try images with these dimensions:
> 
> - 1334x750
> - 2208x1242 (x2)
> - 2732x2048 (x3)
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> We will write a lesson for this topic soon.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Panos
> --
> 
> On Sat, 16 May 2020 at 17:49, Graham Samuel via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> This is not to answer my own question, but to emphasise the apparent
>> difficulty of getting this aspect of creating an iOS app right just by
>> using just LC and a reasonable graphics editor on a Mac. It means to me
>> that a lot of careful instructions need to be provided by somebody in the
>> LC universe, since the policy (I sincerely hope!) is to get LC developers
>> to avoid getting deep into XCode. I found this, which frankly scares me.
>> 
>> https://wiki.starling-framework.org/manual/ios_launch_images
>> 
>> Can anyone help me to a less nerdy way of getting this right? I don’t
>> even know what a storyboard is!
>> 
>> Graham
>> 
>>> On 16 May 2020, at 00:40, Graham Samuel via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I see that the iOS Standalone Settings have changed in this version, no
>> doubt to accommodate Apple’s new rules. One is required to provide six
>> images as “Launch Images” under the “Splash” tab. It seems that there’s an
>> image, a 2x image and a 3x image, and then another three for dark mode.
>>> 
>>> There is no tooltip to suggest how large these images should be - in
>> previous versions they had to be tailored to different device screen sizes.
>> Now it seems anything goes, or does it?
>>> 
>>> Can anyone explain what the dimensions of these images are supposed to
>> be? Does “2x” just mean twice the original size in each direction or what?
>> Can’t see anything in the release notes, but maybe I wasn’t paying
>> attention.
>>> 
>>> Graham
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Re: LC 9.6.0 RC1 Splash/Launch Images

2020-05-17 Thread panagiotis merakos via use-livecode
Hello Graham,

The new storyboard mechanism has some restrictions as it is (we might
enhance it in the future)

For example it is no longer possible to have an exact (pixel) matching of
the splash screen and the first card of the stack as it appears on the
device

So the best suggestion now is to use a splash image that has just a logo at
the center and it is transparent, and also to set the background of the
splash in the standalone settings.

In that way, in all devices (ipads/iphones) you will get a centered logo
with the background you set in the standalone settings (or you can choose
to not set the background - in this case the default background color will
be used depending on the device appearance: white if the device is on light
mode and black if the device is on dark mode)

Of course, if you do not wish to have a splash that shows just a logo, you
can choose a regular image (or 3 regular images, one for each 1x,2x,3x
slots) and also set the background color to match the image background
color. In this case, depending of the device, the app will use the one of
the three images that is closer to the device screen size, and will center
this image to the screen.

This means that the image in some devices will either match exactly, or it
will be larger (in this case it will be cropped and the edges will not
show), or it will be smaller (in this case it will be centered at the
device screen, and the left/top/right/bottom areas will show the background
color that was set in the standalone settings.

One might ask, what size should the images be then? Well, it depends on the
images (i.e. how much content they have at the center, and if you are OK if
some of the content at the edges is cropped etc). A rule of thumb - as I
understand it - is the following:

-use a "small", a "medium" and a "large" image for each of the 1x, 2x and
3x slots, where "small" is the smallest image you used before the
storyboard, "large" is the largest you used before, and "medium" is
something in-between.

For example, you could try images with these dimensions:

- 1334x750
- 2208x1242 (x2)
- 2732x2048 (x3)

Hope this helps.

We will write a lesson for this topic soon.

Kind regards,
Panos
--

On Sat, 16 May 2020 at 17:49, Graham Samuel via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> This is not to answer my own question, but to emphasise the apparent
> difficulty of getting this aspect of creating an iOS app right just by
> using just LC and a reasonable graphics editor on a Mac. It means to me
> that a lot of careful instructions need to be provided by somebody in the
> LC universe, since the policy (I sincerely hope!) is to get LC developers
> to avoid getting deep into XCode. I found this, which frankly scares me.
>
> https://wiki.starling-framework.org/manual/ios_launch_images
>
>  Can anyone help me to a less nerdy way of getting this right? I don’t
> even know what a storyboard is!
>
> Graham
>
> > On 16 May 2020, at 00:40, Graham Samuel via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > I see that the iOS Standalone Settings have changed in this version, no
> doubt to accommodate Apple’s new rules. One is required to provide six
> images as “Launch Images” under the “Splash” tab. It seems that there’s an
> image, a 2x image and a 3x image, and then another three for dark mode.
> >
> > There is no tooltip to suggest how large these images should be - in
> previous versions they had to be tailored to different device screen sizes.
> Now it seems anything goes, or does it?
> >
> > Can anyone explain what the dimensions of these images are supposed to
> be? Does “2x” just mean twice the original size in each direction or what?
> Can’t see anything in the release notes, but maybe I wasn’t paying
> attention.
> >
> > Graham
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Re: LC 9.6.0 RC1 Splash/Launch Images

2020-05-16 Thread Graham Samuel via use-livecode
This is not to answer my own question, but to emphasise the apparent difficulty 
of getting this aspect of creating an iOS app right just by using just LC and a 
reasonable graphics editor on a Mac. It means to me that a lot of careful 
instructions need to be provided by somebody in the LC universe, since the 
policy (I sincerely hope!) is to get LC developers to avoid getting deep into 
XCode. I found this, which frankly scares me.

https://wiki.starling-framework.org/manual/ios_launch_images

 Can anyone help me to a less nerdy way of getting this right? I don’t even 
know what a storyboard is!

Graham

> On 16 May 2020, at 00:40, Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I see that the iOS Standalone Settings have changed in this version, no doubt 
> to accommodate Apple’s new rules. One is required to provide six images as 
> “Launch Images” under the “Splash” tab. It seems that there’s an image, a 2x 
> image and a 3x image, and then another three for dark mode.
> 
> There is no tooltip to suggest how large these images should be - in previous 
> versions they had to be tailored to different device screen sizes. Now it 
> seems anything goes, or does it?
> 
> Can anyone explain what the dimensions of these images are supposed to be? 
> Does “2x” just mean twice the original size in each direction or what? Can’t 
> see anything in the release notes, but maybe I wasn’t paying attention.
> 
> Graham
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