Re: LiveCode Zoom

[Prothero@earthlearning via use-livecode]

David and Livecoders,
david, your ideas are really interesting, especially for those who are 
interested in education. The pandemic is creating a very fertile environment 
for those who develop educational resources for teachers that engage students 
and provide robust learning environments for them. I see a lot of postings 
expressing support for movie type presentations of topics by talented 
lecturers. But those kind of presentations, engaging as they are, are only step 
one in the education process. Learners need to know how to gather and organize 
ideas, present their own ideas based on these lectures and other sources of 
information, write coherently, evaluate the work of others, and figure out the 
difference between fact and fiction. Developing software to support these goals 
is the job of a coder, but the content and design of the resources absolutely 
requires a team with experience teaching the target audience and expertise in 
the subject being taught. Both of my sons are 3rd to 5th grade (US) teachers. 
One of them converted an Oregon Trail (commercial) activity for online use. The 
kids loved it. He spent a lot of time on it and used Google Classroom software 
to implement it. There are loads of creative ideas that could be packaged and 
presented as games or in other ways that would engage students.

There are significant technical challenges in teaching online, for this age 
level. Kids mostly have internet (in my son’s district), but they use  
Chromebooks of various vintage, Apple desktops, Windows based, etc. This makes 
web based apps like Google Classroom and Zoom attractive for developers, which 
is a weak spot for Livecode.

The other challenge is making activities that fit various grade levels and 
curricula. Isolated applications that may be wonderful,  but stand isolated in 
a curricular framework, will disappear into the morass of competitors, and 
teachers will not have time to sort out the good, bad, and ugly. This is the 
situation now, where my sons are deluged with adverts for various educational 
apps of uncertain quality.

In summary, I see a great opportunity for a team with coding, artistic, and 
education capabilities, to focus on one of:
1. Scan the marketplace and compare and evaluate what’s available. Kind of like 
a consumer reports of education resources. 
2. Create educational resources that engage and educate, and meet “Curriculum 
Standards” defined for the grade level.

Gaads, this seems like a huge landscape to play in, and I’m sure there are many 
opportunities, because the need is so great right now.

Personally, I’m retired and making apps in Livecode is a hobby.  I don’t need, 
or want another job. But, I am keenly interested in learning and education 
strategies. 

Best,
Bill

William Prothero
https://earthlearningsolutions.org/

> On Jul 4, 2020, at 5:17 AM, David Bovill via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I’m thinking it would be nice to support Livecode Ltd a bit at this time of 
> pandemic, and as I’m working full time on creating interesting community 
> building experiences using Zoom and related platforms - I thought the best 
> thing I could do to help would be to apply these to building interest and 
> community around Livecode.
>> On 3 Jul 2020, 18:57 +0100, Stephen Barncard via use-livecode 
>> , wrote:
>> I'm not sure there's a good reason to integrate Livecode into the Zoom API
>> just for the sake of using Livecode to do it. I do like the idea of
>> using Zoom for discussions and demonstrations of Livecode technology. All
>> anyone needs to do is for the leader to have the lowest level subscription
>> to Zoom ($15US) which allows that person to host up to 100 participants. I
>> noticed that our last (first?)
> 
> Yes - can use my paid for Zoom account and I’ve played with the Zoom API in 
> Livecode though like you point out that’s not so important. So just doing an 
> interesting fun weekly Zoom call would be the starter for one.
>> Zoom online meeting with the mother ship
>> there weren't that many participants. It also appears that access to their
>> API might not be for ordinary mortals (i.e. $$$). What could we add to
>> Zoom that they don't already offer?
> 
> I think what would be interesting would be to build some data visualisation 
> tools that feedback into the Zoom conversation more interesting 
> visualisations that you are able to get with native Zoom tools. So we create 
> some Livecode app that can chat with each other to share data, and I can pipe 
> a realtime image of a Livecode stack back into the Zoom.  So I imagine a 
> realtime coding experience in which the resulting visualisations would be 
> made available live to Zoom viewers.
> 
> I see this as Livecoders showing off what they can do to a non-Livecode 
> audience - that way we can have interesting conversations about subjects of 
> interest that could do with a bit of Livecode software magic to make the 
> discussions more interactive. That way we can extend the 

Re: LiveCode Zoom

[David Bovill via use-livecode]

I’m thinking it would be nice to support Livecode Ltd a bit at this time of 
pandemic, and as I’m working full time on creating interesting community 
building experiences using Zoom and related platforms - I thought the best 
thing I could do to help would be to apply these to building interest and 
community around Livecode.
On 3 Jul 2020, 18:57 +0100, Stephen Barncard via use-livecode 
, wrote:
> I'm not sure there's a good reason to integrate Livecode into the Zoom API
> just for the sake of using Livecode to do it. I do like the idea of
> using Zoom for discussions and demonstrations of Livecode technology. All
> anyone needs to do is for the leader to have the lowest level subscription
> to Zoom ($15US) which allows that person to host up to 100 participants. I
> noticed that our last (first?)

Yes - can use my paid for Zoom account and I’ve played with the Zoom API in 
Livecode though like you point out that’s not so important. So just doing an 
interesting fun weekly Zoom call would be the starter for one.
> Zoom online meeting with the mother ship
> there weren't that many participants. It also appears that access to their
> API might not be for ordinary mortals (i.e. $$$). What could we add to
> Zoom that they don't already offer?

I think what would be interesting would be to build some data visualisation 
tools that feedback into the Zoom conversation more interesting visualisations 
that you are able to get with native Zoom tools. So we create some Livecode app 
that can chat with each other to share data, and I can pipe a realtime image of 
a Livecode stack back into the Zoom.  So I imagine a realtime coding experience 
in which the resulting visualisations would be made available live to Zoom 
viewers.

I see this as Livecoders showing off what they can do to a non-Livecode 
audience - that way we can have interesting conversations about subjects of 
interest that could do with a bit of Livecode software magic to make the 
discussions more interactive. That way we can extend the audience to 
non-programmers while having some fun ourselves coding on stuff.
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Re: LiveCode Zoom

[Stephen Barncard via use-livecode]

Hi David,

I'm not sure there's a good reason to integrate Livecode into the  Zoom API
just for the sake of using Livecode to do it.I do like the idea of
using Zoom for discussions and demonstrations of Livecode technology. All
anyone needs to do is for the leader to have the lowest level subscription
to Zoom ($15US) which allows that person to host up to 100 participants.  I
noticed that our last (first?) Zoom online meeting with the mother ship
there weren't that many participants.  It also appears that access to their
API might not be for ordinary mortals (i.e. $$$).   What could we add to
Zoom that they don't already offer?

Easy to find the API info though 

https://marketplace.zoom.us/docs/api-reference/zoom-api
--
Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -
mixstream.org


On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 10:27 AM David Bovill via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I’d like to host / take part in a weekly Zoom with other Livecoders. I
> started the Livecode TV thing ages ago now, and this time I think we can do
> something more interesting - but what?
>
> I take part in a couple of regular Zoom gatherings around open source
> projects for a few years now, and It seems a pity not to do it with
> LiveCode.
>
> I’m thinking of it as a regular drop in, and to integrate LiveCode into
> how the event works. Just not quite sure how. Thing out loud here :)
> On 3 Jul 2020, 16:48 +0100, Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>, wrote:
> > Hi Dan,
> >
> > The customer cares about the backend, because he wants to be sure he
> > will find a livecode hosting company in the future. We will host the web
> > page into our own servers.
> > We currently offer PHP, Python  and LiveCode hosting.
> > I'm honest with my customers and I told him about Livecode backend
> > hosting pros & cons.
> >
> > There are other companies offering LiveCode hosting, but in Spain it is
> > not very popular.
> >
> > It will not be the typical Wordpress webpage, it will be a small Human
> > Resources website for their employees.
> > It would be easier to do it with Python-Flask or Django, but I'm very
> > excited to do it using livecode.
> >
> > Thank you very much for those links.
> >
> > Hery
> >
> > On 7/3/20 8:51 AM, Dan Brown via use-livecode wrote:
> > > I'd be surprised if the client cares at all about the websites
> backend, you
> > > might be better off picking a modern frontend framework
> (bulma,react,vue
> > > etc) and showing examples of websites using it.
> > >
> > > As for the backend, there are some great flat file CMS's that could be
> > > managed with livecode scripts ( creating directories, template files,
> html
> > > templates )
> > >
> > > https://getgrav.org/
> > >
> > > https://getkirby.com/
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 12:43 PM Torsten Holmer via use-livecode <
> > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Do you know revIgniter, the Livecode Framework for Websites?
> > > > https://revigniter.com/
> > > >
> > > > "Many websites have been successfully built with revIgniter
> including the
> > > > presumably largest Hindu website 
> in
> > > > existence."
> > > > https://www.himalayanacademy.com/  >
> > > >
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > Torsten
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Am 02.07.2020 um 21:39 schrieb Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode <
> > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> > > > > Dear LiveCode experts:
> > > > >
> > > > > I am trying to convince a customer to create their next website
> with
> > > > LiveCode Server instead PHP. The client asks me what other popular
> sites
> > > > are created with LiveCode server.
> > > > > I have seen this in the Livecode forums , but it seems to be very
> old:
> > > > >
> > > > > https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15689
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you know modern websites created with LiveCode?
> > > > >
> > > > > I have seen that the current LiveCode site runs Wordpress + PHP.
> > > > > Do you know why?
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > Best regards/ Saludos cordiales/ Cordialement
> > > > >
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