Re: Navigator 7.0.1rc1 is available -- Multi-target windows!

[Geoff Canyon via use-livecode]

Wow, that's a lot of information you're displaying -- have you noticed any
hit on Navigator's display performance?

Also, couldn't you replace

the left of tID & "," & the top of tID & "," & the right of tID & ","
& the bottom
of tID

with

the rect of tID

?

On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 8:02 PM pink via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> >
> > 1.  One thing I would love to do is assign different commands to the
> > "Command Bars", I've been going through the source code and haven't
> > figured
> > out where this happens...
> >
>
> I obviously need to do better here: just right-click/control-click a
> command bar. The pop-up menu lets you select any existing command to assign
> to that command bar. You can create new named commands by selecting New
> Command... at the top of the menu. Note: I just now noticed that you have
> to have at least one control selected for this to work. I'll fix that in an
> update.
>
> EXCELLENT!
>
> >
> > 2.  Another feature request would be to assign a different color for
> > groups
> > (and folded group contents)
> >
>
> I thought about this, but I thought the overall "color things based on
> whether they have a script/behavior" was more important, but I'll take a
> look and see how tough this would be to work in.
>
> --Ultimately, a user can get around it by using the same color if they
> don't
> want to distinguish between certain things... I use the same color for with
> or without a script
>
> >
> > 3.  it seems as though all controls in a card are being indented... was
> it
> > always like that?
> >
>
> Good eye -- no, they weren't before, but I added that additional level of
> indent because of allowing multiple targets. It would be easy enough to
> undo depending on the consensus opinion.
>
> --I would prefer not to have the extra indent, but it's not a dealbreaker
> or
> anything :P
>
> >
> > 4.  it would be nice if there were an easier way to clean up the List
> > Display String list... as far as I can tell the only way is to manually
> > edit
> > the prefs file
> >
>
> Definitely agreed, it was just the lack of/need for interface inspiration
> and a desire to work on something else/laziness. But yes, editing the prefs
> is the only way at present to clean up the list display list.
>
> --I had A LOT to clean up, each addition to my line just made it
> exponentially larger...
>
> iff(the vis of tID,"","hid") & iff(char 1 to 5 of the name of tID is
> "group","---grp ---" & the short name of tID & "---",toUpper(char 1 of the
> name of tID) && the short name of tID) && "id[" & the short ID of tID & "]"
> && the height of tID & "x" & the width of tID && the mpDevNotes of tID &&
> the left of tID & "," & the top of tID & "," & the right of tID & "," & the
> bottom of tID & "/" & the layer of tID
>
> >
>
>
>
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Re: Navigator 7.0.1rc1 is available -- Multi-target windows!

[pink via use-livecode]

>
> 1.  One thing I would love to do is assign different commands to the
> "Command Bars", I've been going through the source code and haven't
> figured
> out where this happens...
>

I obviously need to do better here: just right-click/control-click a
command bar. The pop-up menu lets you select any existing command to assign
to that command bar. You can create new named commands by selecting New
Command... at the top of the menu. Note: I just now noticed that you have
to have at least one control selected for this to work. I'll fix that in an
update.

EXCELLENT! 

>
> 2.  Another feature request would be to assign a different color for
> groups
> (and folded group contents)
>

I thought about this, but I thought the overall "color things based on
whether they have a script/behavior" was more important, but I'll take a
look and see how tough this would be to work in.

--Ultimately, a user can get around it by using the same color if they don't
want to distinguish between certain things... I use the same color for with
or without a script

>
> 3.  it seems as though all controls in a card are being indented... was it
> always like that?
>

Good eye -- no, they weren't before, but I added that additional level of
indent because of allowing multiple targets. It would be easy enough to
undo depending on the consensus opinion.

--I would prefer not to have the extra indent, but it's not a dealbreaker or
anything :P

>
> 4.  it would be nice if there were an easier way to clean up the List
> Display String list... as far as I can tell the only way is to manually
> edit
> the prefs file
>

Definitely agreed, it was just the lack of/need for interface inspiration
and a desire to work on something else/laziness. But yes, editing the prefs
is the only way at present to clean up the list display list.

--I had A LOT to clean up, each addition to my line just made it
exponentially larger... 

iff(the vis of tID,"","hid") & iff(char 1 to 5 of the name of tID is
"group","---grp ---" & the short name of tID & "---",toUpper(char 1 of the
name of tID) && the short name of tID) && "id[" & the short ID of tID & "]"
&& the height of tID & "x" & the width of tID && the mpDevNotes of tID &&
the left of tID & "," & the top of tID & "," & the right of tID & "," & the
bottom of tID & "/" & the layer of tID

>



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Re: Navigator 7.0.1rc1 is available -- Multi-target windows!

[Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode]

"so I get the current way it works. "

Ditto that. I was afraid to ask indenting. 

Then suddenly it appeared!  

BR

Bob Sneidar wrote:

I say NAY! I like the way it indents now. I'm surprised the interface 
doesn't list every card, each indented, with all it's own controls indented 
further, but it would get really really busy at that point so I get the current 
way it works. 


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Re: Navigator 7.0.1rc1 is available -- Multi-target windows!

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

I say NAY! I like the way it indents now. I'm surprised the interface doesn't 
list every card, each indented, with all it's own controls indented further, 
but it would get really really busy at that point so I get the current way it 
works. 

Bob S


> On Jan 4, 2019, at 10:35 , Geoff Canyon via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 3.  it seems as though all controls in a card are being indented... was it
>> always like that?
>> 
> 
> Good eye -- no, they weren't before, but I added that additional level of
> indent because of allowing multiple targets. It would be easy enough to
> undo depending on the consensus opinion.


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Re: Navigator 7.0.1rc1 is available -- Multi-target windows!

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

I have noted over the years that when designing graphics, lots of different 
colors is confusing to the mind. Everytime something changes, whether in a 
typeset layout with pictures and graphics, or in a user interface, the mind 
stops and asks, "Why is that?" If it asks too many times or too often, the mind 
gets frustrated, and it takes away from the thing you want the user to actually 
be focused on. 

The way Navigator works now is quite nice. More and different colors and my 
poor mind might wince. :-)

Bob S


> On Jan 4, 2019, at 10:35 , Geoff Canyon via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 2.  Another feature request would be to assign a different color for groups
>> (and folded group contents)
>> 
> 
> I thought about this, but I thought the overall "color things based on
> whether they have a script/behavior" was more important, but I'll take a
> look and see how tough this would be to work in.


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Re: Navigator 7.0.1rc1 is available -- Multi-target windows!

[Geoff Canyon via use-livecode]

Answers inline:

On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 5:06 AM pink via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I love this plugin... one of my top 3 favorites
>
> Here's my wishlist:
>
> 1.  One thing I would love to do is assign different commands to the
> "Command Bars", I've been going through the source code and haven't figured
> out where this happens...
>

I obviously need to do better here: just right-click/control-click a
command bar. The pop-up menu lets you select any existing command to assign
to that command bar. You can create new named commands by selecting New
Command... at the top of the menu. Note: I just now noticed that you have
to have at least one control selected for this to work. I'll fix that in an
update.


>
> 2.  Another feature request would be to assign a different color for groups
> (and folded group contents)
>

I thought about this, but I thought the overall "color things based on
whether they have a script/behavior" was more important, but I'll take a
look and see how tough this would be to work in.

>
> 3.  it seems as though all controls in a card are being indented... was it
> always like that?
>

Good eye -- no, they weren't before, but I added that additional level of
indent because of allowing multiple targets. It would be easy enough to
undo depending on the consensus opinion.

>
> 4.  it would be nice if there were an easier way to clean up the List
> Display String list... as far as I can tell the only way is to manually
> edit
> the prefs file
>

Definitely agreed, it was just the lack of/need for interface inspiration
and a desire to work on something else/laziness. But yes, editing the prefs
is the only way at present to clean up the list display list.

>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Navigator 7.0.1rc1 is available -- Multi-target windows!

[pink via use-livecode]

I love this plugin... one of my top 3 favorites

Here's my wishlist:

1.  One thing I would love to do is assign different commands to the
"Command Bars", I've been going through the source code and haven't figured
out where this happens...

2.  Another feature request would be to assign a different color for groups
(and folded group contents)

3.  it seems as though all controls in a card are being indented... was it
always like that?

4.  it would be nice if there were an easier way to clean up the List
Display String list... as far as I can tell the only way is to manually edit
the prefs file





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Re: Navigator 7.0.1rc1 is available -- Multi-target windows!

[Geoff Canyon via use-livecode]

This is fixed in 7.0.2 rc1. I had a variable where I was tracking
containers that had already been "default-folded" and I wasn't setting it
properly, so every time the display refreshes, it got the default fold.

As usual, you can get Navigator here
. Or grab it
from GitHub .

On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 9:55 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
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> Folding seems to have broken. I cannot fold or unfold but the default
> folding is in effect.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Jan 2, 2019, at 14:17 , Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > As usual, you can get Navigator here
> > . Or grab
> it
> > from GitHub .
> 
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Re: Navigator 7.0.1rc1 is available -- Multi-target windows!

[Geoff Canyon via use-livecode]

Okay, that should be easy enough -- I just didn't see the need personally,
and it will require code that is different than the regular
drag/drop/relayering code, so I hadn't bothered.

gc

On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 2:55 PM hh via use-livecode <
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> > Geoff C. wrote:
> > So you want drag and drop in the stack list to reorder the windows?
> > What's the purpose? To bring a particular stack to the foreground?
>
> What others do with the "z-index". Or what we can do with setting the
> layer of card controls (no only setting the layer of a control to "top").
> Stack windows can be partially transparent. So it makes sense to set
> the whole layering of the windows, not only to set the front window...
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Re: Navigator 7.0.1rc1 is available -- Multi-target windows!

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> Geoff C. wrote:
> So you want drag and drop in the stack list to reorder the windows?
> What's the purpose? To bring a particular stack to the foreground?

What others do with the "z-index". Or what we can do with setting the
layer of card controls (no only setting the layer of a control to "top").
Stack windows can be partially transparent. So it makes sense to set
the whole layering of the windows, not only to set the front window...

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Re: Navigator 7.0.1rc1 is available -- Multi-target windows!

[Geoff Canyon via use-livecode]

Can you give me more specifics? Folding is working for me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-_nLJNJvpM=youtu.be

On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 9:55 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Folding seems to have broken. I cannot fold or unfold but the default
> folding is in effect.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Jan 2, 2019, at 14:17 , Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > As usual, you can get Navigator here
> > . Or grab
> it
> > from GitHub .
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Re: Navigator 7.0.1rc1 is available -- Multi-target windows!

[Geoff Canyon via use-livecode]

So you want drag and drop in the stack list to reorder the windows? What's
the purpose? To bring a particular stack to the foreground?

On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 4:38 AM hh via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> > Geoff C. wrote:
> > Let me know if there's anything still missing.
>
> A reordering in the stacks list that sets the window layering?
> (What a simple go to stack from last line down to first line does).
>
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Re: Navigator 7.0.1rc1 is available -- Multi-target windows!

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Folding seems to have broken. I cannot fold or unfold but the default folding 
is in effect. 

Bob S


> On Jan 2, 2019, at 14:17 , Geoff Canyon via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> As usual, you can get Navigator here
> . Or grab it
> from GitHub .

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Re: Navigator 7.0.1rc1 is available -- Multi-target windows!

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

More like malcontents. :-)

Bob S


> On Jan 2, 2019, at 17:02 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 1/2/19 2:30 PM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode wrote:
>> Ha, I knew that to a select subset of people this would be the most
>> important feature of the update :-)
> 
> Heh. Yeah, I've backburned for now a talk entitled "Global Variables and 
> Their Discontents"
> 
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Re: Navigator 7.0.1rc1 is available -- Multi-target windows!

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> Geoff C. wrote:
> Let me know if there's anything still missing.

A reordering in the stacks list that sets the window layering?
(What a simple go to stack from last line down to first line does).


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Re: Navigator 7.0.1rc1 is available -- Multi-target windows!

[Geoff Canyon via use-livecode]

Glad to help. Let me know if there's anything still missing.

On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 2:53 PM hh via use-livecode <
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> This is (not only now) a real comfortable developer tool.
> Especially when starting a project the new features are very effective.
> Thanks for that!
>
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Re: Navigator 7.0.1rc1 is available -- Multi-target windows!

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On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 5:04 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 1/2/19 2:30 PM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode wrote:
> > Ha, I knew that to a select subset of people this would be the most
> > important feature of the update :-)
>
> Heh. Yeah, I've backburned for now a talk entitled "Global Variables and
> Their Discontents"
>

The last remaining global variable in Navigator is on my short list for
removal. It will be easy relative to the others that are already gone, it
just wasn't critical to the current update, and I didn't realize it was the
last one until last night.
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Re: Navigator 7.0.1rc1 is available -- Multi-target windows!

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On 1/2/19 2:30 PM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode wrote:

Ha, I knew that to a select subset of people this would be the most
important feature of the update :-)


Heh. Yeah, I've backburned for now a talk entitled "Global Variables and 
Their Discontents"


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Re: Navigator 7.0.1rc1 is available -- Multi-target windows!

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This is (not only now) a real comfortable developer tool.
Especially when starting a project the new features are very effective.
Thanks for that!


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Re: Navigator 7.0.1rc1 is available -- Multi-target windows!

[Geoff Canyon via use-livecode]

Ha, I knew that to a select subset of people this would be the most
important feature of the update :-)

On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 2:28 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
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> On 1/2/19 2:25 PM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode wrote:
> > I also got rid of all but one of the global variables Navigator has used
> > since the very first version.
>
> Yay!
>
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Re: Navigator 7.0.1rc1 is available -- Multi-target windows!

[Geoff Canyon via use-livecode]

I forgot -- I made a video illustrating how the new features work. Here it
is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1_avMJnZ6k

On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 2:25 PM Geoff Canyon  wrote:

> I also got rid of all but one of the global variables Navigator has used
> since the very first version. I had tried in the past to do away with them,
> and failed miserably. But now they are vanquished!
>
> On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 2:17 PM Geoff Canyon  wrote:
>
>> As usual, you can get Navigator here
>> . Or grab
>> it from GitHub .
>>
>> Navigator now supports multiple targets per window. You can still have as
>> many Navigator windows as you like, but now each window can display the
>> controls for any set of cards and groups.
>>
>> Select multiple stacks in the stack list, then right-click and select
>> browse controls, and Navigator will display all of the stacks in the same
>> list.
>>
>> In any display, select any combination of cards and groups. Right-click
>> and select browse controls, and Navigator will display all of the
>> containers in the same list.
>>
>> In any command that sets the target for Navigator, hold down the Shift
>> key to add to the target list instead of replacing it.
>>
>> To remove a container from the list, right-click the container and select
>> Stop Browsing from the popup menu. Navigator will remove the container from
>> the display while retaining the others in the list.
>>
>> Creating Navigator 7 required completely reworking how Navigator relayers
>> controls, which resulted in several improvements. First, if you drag a
>> control beneath a group, Navigator is now able to relayer the control
>> properly, without forcing it into the group. You can still drag controls
>> into and out of groups. And if you drag a grouped control to the bottom of
>> the group, it will remain in the group.
>>
>> The new relayering code is smart about whether to move or duplicate
>> controls. Even if there are two representations of a container in the list,
>> dragging a control from one to the other will simply relayer the control
>> without duplicating it. Of course dragging a control from one container to
>> another will duplicate it.
>>
>> Holding the option key reverses this behavior: if you hold the option key
>> while dragging a control within its container, the control will be
>> duplicated. And if you hold the option key while dragging a control to a
>> different container, the control will be moved to the new location, and
>> removed from the original.
>>
>> I also updated the target crosshair so selecting an IDE stack will only
>> work if "Show IDE Stacks" is selected in the target menu.
>>
>> I look forward to your feedback!
>>
>
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Re: Navigator 7.0.1rc1 is available -- Multi-target windows!

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 1/2/19 2:25 PM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode wrote:

I also got rid of all but one of the global variables Navigator has used
since the very first version.


Yay!

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Re: Navigator 7.0.1rc1 is available -- Multi-target windows!

[Geoff Canyon via use-livecode]

I also got rid of all but one of the global variables Navigator has used
since the very first version. I had tried in the past to do away with them,
and failed miserably. But now they are vanquished!

On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 2:17 PM Geoff Canyon  wrote:

> As usual, you can get Navigator here
> . Or grab
> it from GitHub .
>
> Navigator now supports multiple targets per window. You can still have as
> many Navigator windows as you like, but now each window can display the
> controls for any set of cards and groups.
>
> Select multiple stacks in the stack list, then right-click and select
> browse controls, and Navigator will display all of the stacks in the same
> list.
>
> In any display, select any combination of cards and groups. Right-click
> and select browse controls, and Navigator will display all of the
> containers in the same list.
>
> In any command that sets the target for Navigator, hold down the Shift key
> to add to the target list instead of replacing it.
>
> To remove a container from the list, right-click the container and select
> Stop Browsing from the popup menu. Navigator will remove the container from
> the display while retaining the others in the list.
>
> Creating Navigator 7 required completely reworking how Navigator relayers
> controls, which resulted in several improvements. First, if you drag a
> control beneath a group, Navigator is now able to relayer the control
> properly, without forcing it into the group. You can still drag controls
> into and out of groups. And if you drag a grouped control to the bottom of
> the group, it will remain in the group.
>
> The new relayering code is smart about whether to move or duplicate
> controls. Even if there are two representations of a container in the list,
> dragging a control from one to the other will simply relayer the control
> without duplicating it. Of course dragging a control from one container to
> another will duplicate it.
>
> Holding the option key reverses this behavior: if you hold the option key
> while dragging a control within its container, the control will be
> duplicated. And if you hold the option key while dragging a control to a
> different container, the control will be moved to the new location, and
> removed from the original.
>
> I also updated the target crosshair so selecting an IDE stack will only
> work if "Show IDE Stacks" is selected in the target menu.
>
> I look forward to your feedback!
>
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