Re: Object layers

[Graham Samuel via use-livecode]

And again. I really could not count the number of times over the years that the 
good people of this list have dug me out of a LiveCode hole, usually (but not 
always) of my own making. I literally could not use LiveCode now without 
knowing the list is there as the first-aid line. One cannot always be asking 
the mother ship to resolve one’s confusions.
 
Graham

> On 10 Jan 2018, at 09:43, David V Glasgow via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>> . I continue to be amazed and thankful for the warm spirit of helpfulness 
>> and friendliness in this community, freely given.
>> 
> 
> Me too.  Nicely put.
> 
> David Glasgow
> 

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Re: Object layers

[David V Glasgow via use-livecode]

> . I continue to be amazed and thankful for the warm spirit of helpfulness and 
> friendliness in this community, freely given.
> 

Me too.  Nicely put.

David Glasgow


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Re: Object layers

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Hello Christer.

This list is a community. It is friendly, helpful, and there is a certain 
amount of chat. When that chat becomes excessive, I do ask members to curtail 
it, however nothing in this thread in any way contravenes the spirit of this 
list. You were offered some helpful advice. Another list member asked for 
assistance in reading the emails and received it. I continue to be amazed and 
thankful for the warm spirit of helpfulness and friendliness in this community, 
freely given.

This list runs on mailman. Its pretty old software, but many people here prefer 
it to moving to the forums and reading mail there. As long as mailman continues 
to function, I imagine the list will continue to be here. It has limitations. 
Threading doesn't always work well (depending on email client). We are not 
responsible for third party archives such as nabble or how they behave. Replies 
to your email may become attached to different threads if the subject is 
changed or the responder uses a different client/mail sorting method. I'm not 
sure if you were expecting direct replies to your personal mail? This isn't 
typically how it works, if you post to the list responses will go to the list, 
and be available to help other users at a later date.

As always, politics, religion and cheese remain off limits. Please avoid 
quoting the entire thread when replying to a topic, just retain enough to make 
sense. Friendly advice on relevant topics is always welcome - and a little bit 
of chit chat oils the wheels and makes it all more human.

Best Regards to all,

Heather

Heather Laine
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LiveCode Ltd
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> On 10 Jan 2018, at 08:59, Pyyhtiä Christer via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Just to respond.
> 
> Thank you for the advices - very helpful.  However, experiences with the 
> early versions (say V5-V7) made me avoid the grouping functionality.  Maybe 
> because I could not manage the concept too well.  So I have given it up and 
> manage it (as do with scaling etc) with additional coding - with variable 
> success, though.
> 
> There were two surprises in this discussion thread.  First, I did not get any 
> response form the list on answers to my mail.  It would be helpful to get the 
> response as an e-mai to the originator to speed up receiving the information. 
>  How would it become possible?
> 
> Second, there is a lot of really *unnecessary* blaah-blaah yadda-yadda mails 
> nothing to do with the subject as a part of the thread (and many other 
> threads as well; if you want to make it efficient, also please leave the 
> pages-long, repeatedly appearing "when someone created the world" kind of 
> poems).  If you do not have anything meaningful to add into the use of 
> LiveCode, please, please get off the list, go to your Facebook.  I'd ask the 
> LiveCode folks to put some discipline into this.
> 
> thx
> Christer Pyyhtiä
> MindCrea Ltd
> chris...@mindcrea.com
> 
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Re: Object layers

[Pyyhtiä Christer via use-livecode]

Just to respond.

Thank you for the advices - very helpful.  However, experiences with the early 
versions (say V5-V7) made me avoid the grouping functionality.  Maybe because I 
could not manage the concept too well.  So I have given it up and manage it (as 
do with scaling etc) with additional coding - with variable success, though.

There were two surprises in this discussion thread.  First, I did not get any 
response form the list on answers to my mail.  It would be helpful to get the 
response as an e-mai to the originator to speed up receiving the information.  
How would it become possible?

Second, there is a lot of really *unnecessary* blaah-blaah yadda-yadda mails 
nothing to do with the subject as a part of the thread (and many other threads 
as well; if you want to make it efficient, also please leave the pages-long, 
repeatedly appearing "when someone created the world" kind of poems).  If you 
do not have anything meaningful to add into the use of LiveCode, please, please 
get off the list, go to your Facebook.  I'd ask the LiveCode folks to put some 
discipline into this.

thx
Christer Pyyhtiä
MindCrea Ltd
chris...@mindcrea.com


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Re: Object layers

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

On 1/8/18 2:07 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
I have a similar problem with my yahoo account, and gmail isn't much 
help either. Maybe even worse, since gmail insists on not respecting 
folders.


I have gMail forward all incoming mail to my hyperactivesw address, 
where I read it on my Mac with a real email client. Best of both worlds. 
And Google doesn't store or read those emails so some privacy is retained.


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Re: Object layers

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 01/08/2018 10:51 AM, dunbarx via use-livecode wrote:

I do get a lot of eye rolling about that. Stuck in the past, you see.


Heh.

Yeah, but what I had in mind is that aol's email access doesn't handle 
things like threading, so their technology (or rather their not keeping 
up to date with it) puts you at a disadvantage in terms of viewing the 
message order natively without resorting to nabble or something similar.


And aol's not alone in this. I have a similar problem with my yahoo 
account, and gmail isn't much help either. Maybe even worse, since gmail 
insists on not respecting folders. Why I don't use gmail for listservs.


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Re: Object layers

[dunbarx via use-livecode]

I do get a lot of eye rolling about that. Stuck in the past, you see.

Craig



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Re: Object layers

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

Jacque-

Remember that Craig is still using aol.
Nuff said.

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Re: Object layers

[dunbarx via use-livecode]

Jacque.

I do receive them as emails, but the text is not well formed, and the thread
is not preserved. So I go to babble to get the context and timing.

It would all be fine if we signed our names.

Craig



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Re: Object layers

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

It works if you receive the list in email, only the nabble archives do that 
(and maybe some others.) The last person to post is assigned to all posts 
in the archive. It can change minute to minute.


Also, when replying to the list from an email client you may need to adjust 
your reply settings, otherwise the reply goes only to the poster and not to 
the entire list.


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On January 7, 2018 3:32:23 PM dunbarx via use-livecode 
 wrote:



Klaus.

I never can figure out who the authors of these posts are. It seems that
each day one user garners all of them. I have no idea how that is managed.
With--over at midnight GMT?

I asked years ago that everyone sign their full names because the list
structure itself is useless.

Craig Newman



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Re: Object layers

[dunbarx via use-livecode]

Klaus.

I never can figure out who the authors of these posts are. It seems that
each day one user garners all of them. I have no idea how that is managed.
With--over at midnight GMT?

I asked years ago that everyone sign their full names because the list
structure itself is useless.

Craig Newman



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Re: Object layers

[Klaus major-k via use-livecode]

Hi Craig,

> Am 07.01.2018 um 18:13 schrieb dunbarx via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> "I have experienced that ungrouping may send the individual objects to random
> layers. "
> 
> First, what Klaus said.
> 
> Second, layer order is preserved pretty well in LC. When you set the layer
> of the group to top, as Kluas

sheesh... 8-)

> suggests, and then ungroup, all the child
> controls take the topmost layers, with their individual order reflecting
> their order when they were initially grouped.

although I am quite active in the forum and here on the list, I did NOT respond
to this thread so far, you mean Randy H. :-)

> Craig Newman

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Re: Object layers

[dunbarx via use-livecode]

"I have experienced that ungrouping may send the individual objects to random
layers. "

First, what Klaus said.

Second, layer order is preserved pretty well in LC. When you set the layer
of the group to top, as Kluas suggests, and then ungroup, all the child
controls take the topmost layers, with their individual order reflecting
their order when they were initially grouped.

Craig Newman



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Re: Object layers

[Randy Hengst via use-livecode]

What if you set the layer of the group to top before ungrouping?
set the layer of grp "playerGroup" to top

ungroup grp "playerGroup"

But, why do you need to ungroup? 

randy
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> On Jan 7, 2018, at 9:32 AM, Pyyhtiä Christer via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> When setting object layers, how do they work actually?
> 
> The documentation states the higher the number of an object, the control is 
> higher than the the object it is on.
> 
> This means that in case of two objects on top of each other a mouseClick 
> would go first to the object with the higher layer number, yes?
> 
> And, it seems to be that not any two objects on a card can exist with the 
> same layer number, if the objects are not in the same group, right?
> 
> Now if you have objects grouped, and you ungroup them, how to keep them still 
> above any other layers they are on?  For example, you have a set of game 
> buttons on the board, which you initially group to move them together, and 
> then you need to ungroup them, and with sequential clocks you want to make 
> sure the control is with a single button instead of first hitting the 
> playboard squares, how do you make sure the buttons reside on top of the 
> board.
> 
> I have experienced that ungrouping may send the individual objects to random 
> layers.
> 
> 
> Christer Pyyhtiä
> MindCrea Ltd
> chris...@mindcrea.com 
> 
> 
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