Re: Outlet for Mac Apps
My Apple ID (email) hasn't changed, just my address and associated credit card details, so unfortunately I can't revert to the previous (UK) account. I updated my details as I did with everything else, obviously the credit card was a major factor to be able to make any future purchases, this had to be correct, so I had little choice. I'm fortunate that I didn't make any expensive purchases and the main software purchased that I do rely on has been updated through contact with the original developers, including one famous app written in LiveCode. I've lost out on a few cheap apps, but I'm not too worried about them. Thanks for making the suggestion though, I do appreciate it. Paul On 2012-05-29, at 10:25 PM, -=JB=- wrote: I was able to use my current versions too. Sorry to hear about the problems and I have no answer. Are you able to access them from your old account in any way or is that closed and you have no access. Were you required to transfer your MAS account when you moved to Canada? -=JB=- On May 29, 2012, at 10:05 PM, Paul Hibbert wrote: On 2012-05-29, at 9:48 PM, -=JB=- wrote: I learned to correct the problem so you can download updates for software bought with your old id is to delete the program from your disk. Then start up MacApp and you will be able to install the software you have purchased on the old id without any fees. This solution was suggested to me elsewhere, but sadly it had no effect on my account. I can only assume it is because Apple transferred my details from the UK App Store to the Canadian App Store. When I launch the App Store it shows absolutely nothing in my purchase history. If I go to the page for the deleted software, it doesn't show the 'Install' button, just a 'Price' button or in some cases an 'Installed' button, so no way to re-install. I sent several emails to the App Store support staff and in the end they were very sympathetic, but could only point me to the iTunes Terms and Conditions. I get the impression it was just legal issue that they weren't able/prepared to do anything about. I can still use the current versions of any software installed, but I just can't re-install/update any of it. Paul ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Outlet for Mac Apps
Have you tried putting a UK address and card back into your account? I had to do that to fix mine. I now just maintain two accounts at Apple, one for my home in the UK, and one for my home in the States with each one keeping its own address and card in it. The issue appears to be licensing as for example I also use iTunes Match which is neat, but I have it set up on my main iTunes account with is in the States so tend to keep all my devices logged into that account regardless of where I actually am. If I forget to log my Apple TV out of the US account even when in the UK I can get the US content (eg I could rent movies from the States), the card and address are all Apple seem to use for geo tagging. It then extends out to the App Stores as there are apps you can't get in the UK, (Pandora etc), or ones you cant get in the States (BBC iPlayer) but if you are logged into the account with the countries address and card you can download them as if you were in the country. Might be worth a shot to recover your old account and apps. Andy On 30 May 2012, at 07:19, Paul Hibbert wrote: My Apple ID (email) hasn't changed, just my address and associated credit card details, so unfortunately I can't revert to the previous (UK) account. I updated my details as I did with everything else, obviously the credit card was a major factor to be able to make any future purchases, this had to be correct, so I had little choice. I'm fortunate that I didn't make any expensive purchases and the main software purchased that I do rely on has been updated through contact with the original developers, including one famous app written in LiveCode. I've lost out on a few cheap apps, but I'm not too worried about them. Thanks for making the suggestion though, I do appreciate it. Paul On 2012-05-29, at 10:25 PM, -=JB=- wrote: I was able to use my current versions too. Sorry to hear about the problems and I have no answer. Are you able to access them from your old account in any way or is that closed and you have no access. Were you required to transfer your MAS account when you moved to Canada? -=JB=- On May 29, 2012, at 10:05 PM, Paul Hibbert wrote: On 2012-05-29, at 9:48 PM, -=JB=- wrote: I learned to correct the problem so you can download updates for software bought with your old id is to delete the program from your disk. Then start up MacApp and you will be able to install the software you have purchased on the old id without any fees. This solution was suggested to me elsewhere, but sadly it had no effect on my account. I can only assume it is because Apple transferred my details from the UK App Store to the Canadian App Store. When I launch the App Store it shows absolutely nothing in my purchase history. If I go to the page for the deleted software, it doesn't show the 'Install' button, just a 'Price' button or in some cases an 'Installed' button, so no way to re-install. I sent several emails to the App Store support staff and in the end they were very sympathetic, but could only point me to the iTunes Terms and Conditions. I get the impression it was just legal issue that they weren't able/prepared to do anything about. I can still use the current versions of any software installed, but I just can't re-install/update any of it. Paul ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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I think it depends on the vendor, so Apple probably goes with the worst case scenario. I tried to buy The Hobbit Audiobook via iTunes, but when I went to pay, I was prevented from doing so because the publisher didn't sell the product in the US! So I bought the CD set from Amazon. No problemo! Go figure. Bob On May 29, 2012, at 6:03 PM, Paul Hibbert wrote: I for one am pleased that some developers still sell through their own sites as well as MAS. I recently had a bad experience with Apple when I moved from the UK to Canada, believe it or not I lost ALL licences for apps purchased through MAS just because I updated my Apple ID to reflect my new address! Apparently Apple does not allow their customers to move country and keep their licences ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Outlet for Mac Apps
Thanks for the suggestion Andy, but I cleared and cancelled my UK cards when I managed to get a Canadian credit card, maybe I should have hung on to it for a while! I did get notification of an update for 1 app today (the first one in two weeks), so it appears that some App Store updates do still work, I guess I'll just need to rely on Time Machine if I need to re-install, but with no purchase history I just don't know what the state of my account is right now. Paul On 2012-05-30, at 4:09 AM, Andrew Henshaw wrote: Have you tried putting a UK address and card back into your account? I had to do that to fix mine. I now just maintain two accounts at Apple, one for my home in the UK, and one for my home in the States with each one keeping its own address and card in it. The issue appears to be licensing as for example I also use iTunes Match which is neat, but I have it set up on my main iTunes account with is in the States so tend to keep all my devices logged into that account regardless of where I actually am. If I forget to log my Apple TV out of the US account even when in the UK I can get the US content (eg I could rent movies from the States), the card and address are all Apple seem to use for geo tagging. It then extends out to the App Stores as there are apps you can't get in the UK, (Pandora etc), or ones you cant get in the States (BBC iPlayer) but if you are logged into the account with the countries address and card you can download them as if you were in the country. Might be worth a shot to recover your old account and apps. Andy On 30 May 2012, at 07:19, Paul Hibbert wrote: My Apple ID (email) hasn't changed, just my address and associated credit card details, so unfortunately I can't revert to the previous (UK) account. I updated my details as I did with everything else, obviously the credit card was a major factor to be able to make any future purchases, this had to be correct, so I had little choice. I'm fortunate that I didn't make any expensive purchases and the main software purchased that I do rely on has been updated through contact with the original developers, including one famous app written in LiveCode. I've lost out on a few cheap apps, but I'm not too worried about them. Thanks for making the suggestion though, I do appreciate it. Paul On 2012-05-29, at 10:25 PM, -=JB=- wrote: I was able to use my current versions too. Sorry to hear about the problems and I have no answer. Are you able to access them from your old account in any way or is that closed and you have no access. Were you required to transfer your MAS account when you moved to Canada? -=JB=- On May 29, 2012, at 10:05 PM, Paul Hibbert wrote: On 2012-05-29, at 9:48 PM, -=JB=- wrote: I learned to correct the problem so you can download updates for software bought with your old id is to delete the program from your disk. Then start up MacApp and you will be able to install the software you have purchased on the old id without any fees. This solution was suggested to me elsewhere, but sadly it had no effect on my account. I can only assume it is because Apple transferred my details from the UK App Store to the Canadian App Store. When I launch the App Store it shows absolutely nothing in my purchase history. If I go to the page for the deleted software, it doesn't show the 'Install' button, just a 'Price' button or in some cases an 'Installed' button, so no way to re-install. I sent several emails to the App Store support staff and in the end they were very sympathetic, but could only point me to the iTunes Terms and Conditions. I get the impression it was just legal issue that they weren't able/prepared to do anything about. I can still use the current versions of any software installed, but I just can't re-install/update any of it. Paul ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Outlet for Mac Apps
Peter Haworth wrote: On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: That's not Bodega's choice, that's an Apple restriction. ... I've seen a few developers offer a light version in the Mac app store, with a Pro version at their web site. Hi Richard, Yes I realise it's Apple's doing that, not Bodega. I've emailed Bodega about the issue but it doesn't seem true to me. For example, Coda 2 is available on the Mac App Store. It's also available on the Panic web site, either through the Mac App Store or directly from Panic, with the comment that direct purchase is For volume licensing, and Mac App Store haters.. The only difference listed is no iCloud availability. I guess it's possible that Panic are expected to remit 30% of their web site sales to Apple but doesn't seem likley somehow. My apologies for repeating Bodega's apparently false claim about Mac app store exclusivity. I've since reviewed the Mac app store license terms, and while the NDA Apple requires developers to sign prevents us from having a candid discussion about its terms, I hope I'm not risking jail to note that I was unable to find anything requiring the sort of exclusivity Bodega wrote about. Interestingly, though, I do see a number of developers who offer different versions of their products in the app store and on their web sites, as you noted with Coda. For demos, developers have no choice but to post them at their web site, since Apple has made it clear that they don't want customers to be able to try out a software before paying for it. But for the full app, I don't know why so many developers like Coda offer different versions depending on purchase venue. I guess Bodega's claim sounded plausible because it makes business sense, even if it doesn't make social sense - yet: Monetarily, it doesn't serve Apple's interests to allow developers to use the Mac app store as an advertising venue for products which are also available on the dev's web site, perhaps even at a lower cost. This just inflates Apple's expenses without ensuring any return. But socially, it's important that this migration toward bypassing the Web be done in stages, weening the Mac audience in carefully measured steps over time. First, the MAS was purely an option. Slightly more convenient, but no penalty for choosing to get software from any other source. Then Apple added dire warnings with Gatekeeper to all users who choose to get their software from independent publishers about how it may damage your computer: http://livecodejournal.com/blog.irv?pid=1329426585.725072 Stigmatizing independent publishing by describing it in the most frightening terms possible (never mind that it's how the Mac ecosystem has lived well for decades) may be all that's needed to make the MAS the only place to get software in the minds of a majority of users. Will Apple explicitly require exclusivity? It doesn't make business sense not to, so I would be very surprised if we don't see that clause in a new version of the MAS dev agreement within a couple years. The only thing which may prevent that might be antitrust laws, but since those don't seem to apply to mobile OSes it'll be very difficult to apply it one category without affecting the other. After all, as form factors continue to diversify, what is the difference from a legal standpoint? Attempting such distinction becomes especially difficult in a world where Apple is the only major OS vendor that currently provides two different OSes for different types of devices, while Microsoft and Ubuntu use a unified approach across all form factors. And more than a few believe iOS and OS X will eventually become integrated into a single OS. So it seems reasonable to suggest one of two outcomes: either the Mac app store will become exclusive for developers who use it, or if antitrust laws prevent that then iOS will be pried open by those same laws to allow multiple app stores. If those laws aren't applicable, don't be surprised if continued malware activity forces Apple to require that the Mac app store become the only way anyone can get software for their computers. Only a few ol' timers will mind. The current generation is already used to this sort of thing. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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That would kill the App Store IMHO. As long as purchasing agents and developers are free agents, they would rebel against that kind of agreement. It works for the iTunes store, because there has never been any other way to sell software for iDevices, and because there was at least an excuse given, that doing so was the only way to prevent malware from spreading, something I think anyone purchasing a heretofore unknown device and OS would be anxious to avoid. Bob On May 30, 2012, at 10:22 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Will Apple explicitly require exclusivity? ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Outlet for Mac Apps
If its just for the iOS and Mac App Store you should be able to get by without a card as you can set up accounts that way (I guess designed for kids wanting free apps), might still be work a shot changing it back to your original UK address and selecting the no card option to see if the apps come back. Andy On 30 May 2012, at 16:21, Paul Hibbert wrote: Thanks for the suggestion Andy, but I cleared and cancelled my UK cards when I managed to get a Canadian credit card, maybe I should have hung on to it for a while! I did get notification of an update for 1 app today (the first one in two weeks), so it appears that some App Store updates do still work, I guess I'll just need to rely on Time Machine if I need to re-install, but with no purchase history I just don't know what the state of my account is right now. Paul On 2012-05-30, at 4:09 AM, Andrew Henshaw wrote: Have you tried putting a UK address and card back into your account? I had to do that to fix mine. I now just maintain two accounts at Apple, one for my home in the UK, and one for my home in the States with each one keeping its own address and card in it. The issue appears to be licensing as for example I also use iTunes Match which is neat, but I have it set up on my main iTunes account with is in the States so tend to keep all my devices logged into that account regardless of where I actually am. If I forget to log my Apple TV out of the US account even when in the UK I can get the US content (eg I could rent movies from the States), the card and address are all Apple seem to use for geo tagging. It then extends out to the App Stores as there are apps you can't get in the UK, (Pandora etc), or ones you cant get in the States (BBC iPlayer) but if you are logged into the account with the countries address and card you can download them as if you were in the country. Might be worth a shot to recover your old account and apps. Andy On 30 May 2012, at 07:19, Paul Hibbert wrote: My Apple ID (email) hasn't changed, just my address and associated credit card details, so unfortunately I can't revert to the previous (UK) account. I updated my details as I did with everything else, obviously the credit card was a major factor to be able to make any future purchases, this had to be correct, so I had little choice. I'm fortunate that I didn't make any expensive purchases and the main software purchased that I do rely on has been updated through contact with the original developers, including one famous app written in LiveCode. I've lost out on a few cheap apps, but I'm not too worried about them. Thanks for making the suggestion though, I do appreciate it. Paul On 2012-05-29, at 10:25 PM, -=JB=- wrote: I was able to use my current versions too. Sorry to hear about the problems and I have no answer. Are you able to access them from your old account in any way or is that closed and you have no access. Were you required to transfer your MAS account when you moved to Canada? -=JB=- On May 29, 2012, at 10:05 PM, Paul Hibbert wrote: On 2012-05-29, at 9:48 PM, -=JB=- wrote: I learned to correct the problem so you can download updates for software bought with your old id is to delete the program from your disk. Then start up MacApp and you will be able to install the software you have purchased on the old id without any fees. This solution was suggested to me elsewhere, but sadly it had no effect on my account. I can only assume it is because Apple transferred my details from the UK App Store to the Canadian App Store. When I launch the App Store it shows absolutely nothing in my purchase history. If I go to the page for the deleted software, it doesn't show the 'Install' button, just a 'Price' button or in some cases an 'Installed' button, so no way to re-install. I sent several emails to the App Store support staff and in the end they were very sympathetic, but could only point me to the iTunes Terms and Conditions. I get the impression it was just legal issue that they weren't able/prepared to do anything about. I can still use the current versions of any software installed, but I just can't re-install/update any of it. Paul ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe
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No but I bet Apple will buy them or shut them down. ;-) Bob On May 29, 2012, at 11:27 AM, Peter Haworth wrote: Anybody know anything about Bodega - http://appbodega.com/ Pete lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Pete wrote: Anybody know anything about Bodega - http://appbodega.com/ I haven't used them yet, but have been considering it. They got a very good write-up at CultOfMac this month: http://www.cultofmac.com/165338/meet-bodega-the-awesome-mac-app-store-alternative-you-didnt-know-existed-feature/ -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Richard Gaskin ambassador@... writes: I haven't used them yet, but have been considering it. They got a very good write-up at CultOfMac this month: It does beg the question as to why a developer would bother placing apps in a store that nobody knows exists... -- Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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I think I will give them a whirl, no setup fees and 7% per transaction, plus a few minutes to set up the app. I'd also like to pass on an interesting side effect of selling an app on your own web site and through the Mac App Store. This applies to situations where the version on your web site installs in demo mode. The Mac App Store on the other hand only sells full production versions and doesn't permit demo versions. A problem occurs if your customer purchased through the Mac App Store and also has a software update product on his/her computer (eg MacUpdater). MacUpdater notices there is a new version of your software available and downloads it from your web site. Now your Mac App Store customer is running in demo mode instead of production mode and has no license key to turn it into a production version. Lots of angry support calls! This happens because programs like Macupdater use your app's bundle id to identify it and your app has the same bundle id on the Mac App Store and on your web site. The solution is to use a different bundle id for the version of your app on the Mac App Store and the version on your web site. Pete lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: Pete wrote: Anybody know anything about Bodega - http://appbodega.com/ I haven't used them yet, but have been considering it. They got a very good write-up at CultOfMac this month: http://www.cultofmac.com/**165338/meet-bodega-the-** awesome-mac-app-store-**alternative-you-didnt-know-**existed-feature/http://www.cultofmac.com/165338/meet-bodega-the-awesome-mac-app-store-alternative-you-didnt-know-existed-feature/ -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/**blog.irvhttp://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv __**_ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecodehttp://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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On 5/29/12 1:39 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Pete wrote: Anybody know anything about Bodega - http://appbodega.com/ I haven't used them yet, but have been considering it. They got a very good write-up at CultOfMac this month: http://www.cultofmac.com/165338/meet-bodega-the-awesome-mac-app-store-alternative-you-didnt-know-existed-feature/ But there's this: Apps distributed in Bodega can be freely sold anywhere else, including the Mac App Store. Apple requires developers to offer paid versions of their apps in the Mac App Store only. If an app is also available on the web, the developer must link to the paid version in the Mac App Store. So if you want your app in MAS then you can only put a free version on Bodega. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Oh dear. I assume that's in the Bodega TCs? I really hope that's not true because I refuse to be told where I can and cannot sell my app. I will check into this further. Pete lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:31 PM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.comwrote: On 5/29/12 1:39 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Pete wrote: Anybody know anything about Bodega - http://appbodega.com/ I haven't used them yet, but have been considering it. They got a very good write-up at CultOfMac this month: http://www.cultofmac.com/**165338/meet-bodega-the-** awesome-mac-app-store-**alternative-you-didnt-know-**existed-feature/http://www.cultofmac.com/165338/meet-bodega-the-awesome-mac-app-store-alternative-you-didnt-know-existed-feature/ But there's this: Apps distributed in Bodega can be freely sold anywhere else, including the Mac App Store. Apple requires developers to offer paid versions of their apps in the Mac App Store only. If an app is also available on the web, the developer must link to the paid version in the Mac App Store. So if you want your app in MAS then you can only put a free version on Bodega. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com __**_ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecodehttp://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Peter Haworth wrote: On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:31 PM, J. Landman Gay jacque at hyperactivesw.comwrote: On 5/29/12 1:39 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: I haven't used them yet, but have been considering it. They got a very good write-up at CultOfMac this month: http://www.cultofmac.com/**165338/meet-bodega-the-** awesome-mac-app-store-**alternative-you-didnt-know-**existed-feature/http://www.cultofmac.com/165338/meet-bodega-the-awesome-mac-app-store-alternative-you-didnt-know-existed-feature/ But there's this: Apps distributed in Bodega can be freely sold anywhere else, including the Mac App Store. Apple requires developers to offer paid versions of their apps in the Mac App Store only. If an app is also available on the web, the developer must link to the paid version in the Mac App Store. So if you want your app in MAS then you can only put a free version on Bodega. Oh dear. I assume that's in the Bodega TCs? I really hope that's not true because I refuse to be told where I can and cannot sell my app. I will check into this further. Pete That's not Bodega's choice, that's an Apple restriction. If you want to have your app in the Mac app store, you gotta give 30% of ALL of your sales to Apple. I've seen a few developers offer a light version in the Mac app store, with a Pro version at their web site. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Hi Richard, Yes I realise it's Apple's doing that, not Bodega. I've emailed Bodega about the issue but it doesn't seem true to me. For example, Coda 2 is available on the Mac App Store. It's also available on the Panic web site, either through the Mac App Store or directly from Panic, with the comment that direct purchase is For volume licensing, and Mac App Store haters.. The only difference listed is no iCloud availability. I guess it's possible that Panic are expected to remit 30% of their web site sales to Apple but doesn't seem likley somehow. I also found several web articles about the makers of Pixelmator deciding to sell exclusively through MAS, which seems to suggest that there is a choice. Pete lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.comwrote: Peter Haworth wrote: On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:31 PM, J. Landman Gay jacque at hyperactivesw.comwrote: On 5/29/12 1:39 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: I haven't used them yet, but have been considering it. They got a very good write-up at CultOfMac this month: http://www.cultofmac.com/165338/meet-bodega-the-**http://www.cultofmac.com/**165338/meet-bodega-the-** awesome-mac-app-store-alternative-you-didnt-know- existed-feature/http://www.**cultofmac.com/165338/meet-** bodega-the-awesome-mac-app-**store-alternative-you-didnt-** know-existed-feature/http://www.cultofmac.com/165338/meet-bodega-the-awesome-mac-app-store-alternative-you-didnt-know-existed-feature/ But there's this: Apps distributed in Bodega can be freely sold anywhere else, including the Mac App Store. Apple requires developers to offer paid versions of their apps in the Mac App Store only. If an app is also available on the web, the developer must link to the paid version in the Mac App Store. So if you want your app in MAS then you can only put a free version on Bodega. Oh dear. I assume that's in the Bodega TCs? I really hope that's not true because I refuse to be told where I can and cannot sell my app. I will check into this further. Pete That's not Bodega's choice, that's an Apple restriction. If you want to have your app in the Mac app store, you gotta give 30% of ALL of your sales to Apple. I've seen a few developers offer a light version in the Mac app store, with a Pro version at their web site. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/**blog.irvhttp://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv __**_ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecodehttp://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Outlet for Mac Apps
I think the article may have that wrong, you can sell your apps anywhere you want, the MAS is just another outlet. Quite a few developers seem to be switching to Mac App Store only policies (eg Pixelmator) which is their choice, but ive not seen anywhere that is a requirement unless its changed recently. Probably confusion with the iOS store policy. But there's this: Apps distributed in Bodega can be freely sold anywhere else, including the Mac App Store. Apple requires developers to offer paid versions of their apps in the Mac App Store only. If an app is also available on the web, the developer must link to the paid version in the Mac App Store. So if you want your app in MAS then you can only put a free version on Bodega. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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I'm with Andrew. There's noting in the license agreement I agreed to that prevents me from selling somewhere besides the AppStore. That may work for a closed ecosystem like iOS, but Mac users would not put up with that (nor would Mac developers...). Tim On May 29, 2012, at 2:41 PM, Andrew Henshaw wrote: I think the article may have that wrong, you can sell your apps anywhere you want, the MAS is just another outlet. Quite a few developers seem to be switching to Mac App Store only policies (eg Pixelmator) which is their choice, but ive not seen anywhere that is a requirement unless its changed recently. Probably confusion with the iOS store policy. But there's this: Apps distributed in Bodega can be freely sold anywhere else, including the Mac App Store. Apple requires developers to offer paid versions of their apps in the Mac App Store only. If an app is also available on the web, the developer must link to the paid version in the Mac App Store. So if you want your app in MAS then you can only put a free version on Bodega. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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yeah otherwise Apple should be due for an anti-trust investigation soon. On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Tim Jones tolis...@me.com wrote: I'm with Andrew. There's noting in the license agreement I agreed to that prevents me from selling somewhere besides the AppStore. That may work for a closed ecosystem like iOS, but Mac users would not put up with that (nor would Mac developers...). Tim On May 29, 2012, at 2:41 PM, Andrew Henshaw wrote: I think the article may have that wrong, you can sell your apps anywhere you want, the MAS is just another outlet. Quite a few developers seem to be switching to Mac App Store only policies (eg Pixelmator) which is their choice, but ive not seen anywhere that is a requirement unless its changed recently. Probably confusion with the iOS store policy. But there's this: Apps distributed in Bodega can be freely sold anywhere else, including the Mac App Store. Apple requires developers to offer paid versions of their apps in the Mac App Store only. If an app is also available on the web, the developer must link to the paid version in the Mac App Store. So if you want your app in MAS then you can only put a free version on Bodega. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com Stephen Barncard San Francisco Ca. USA more about sqb http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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On 5/29/12 4:46 PM, Tim Jones wrote: I'm with Andrew. There's noting in the license agreement I agreed to that prevents me from selling somewhere besides the AppStore. That may work for a closed ecosystem like iOS, but Mac users would not put up with that (nor would Mac developers...). That's a relief. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Phew, I was worried there for a while. I'm gonna give Bodega a shot. I'll post some feedback. Pete lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:47 PM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.comwrote: On 5/29/12 4:46 PM, Tim Jones wrote: I'm with Andrew. There's noting in the license agreement I agreed to that prevents me from selling somewhere besides the AppStore. That may work for a closed ecosystem like iOS, but Mac users would not put up with that (nor would Mac developers...). That's a relief. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com __**_ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecodehttp://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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I for one am pleased that some developers still sell through their own sites as well as MAS. I recently had a bad experience with Apple when I moved from the UK to Canada, believe it or not I lost ALL licences for apps purchased through MAS just because I updated my Apple ID to reflect my new address! Apparently Apple does not allow their customers to move country and keep their licences, fortunately suppliers like Adobe and many other software vendors don't have the same restrictions. Some have allowed me to 'upgrade' to regular software and supplied me with a serial number, although some haven't. Strangely enough, software update still continues to update my system and apps like iPhoto Aperture with no problems, go figure. In future I'll be thinking twice about buying from the App Store and will usually prefer to deal direct with the vendor where possible, especially if money is concerned. Very low cost and free apps are no problem, but losing several hundred dollars worth of licences was a bitter experience, once bitten twice shy. From now on I would encourage developers to keep their options open. For the most part, I like Apple products and get on well with them, but I've just seen a side of Apple that I really don't like, i.e., their App Store licenses. Paul On 2012-05-29, at 4:15 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: Phew, I was worried there for a while. I'm gonna give Bodega a shot. I'll post some feedback. Pete lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:47 PM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.comwrote: On 5/29/12 4:46 PM, Tim Jones wrote: I'm with Andrew. There's noting in the license agreement I agreed to that prevents me from selling somewhere besides the AppStore. That may work for a closed ecosystem like iOS, but Mac users would not put up with that (nor would Mac developers...). That's a relief. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com __**_ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecodehttp://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 9:03 AM, Paul Hibbert l...@pbh.on-rev.com wrote: I for one am pleased that some developers still sell through their own sites as well as MAS. I recently had a bad experience with Apple when I moved from the UK to Canada, believe it or not I lost ALL licences for apps purchased through MAS just because I updated my Apple ID to reflect my new address! Thank you for sharing. I've lived and worked in various locations around the world and thankfully didn't incur the problems of many early Apple ID users who had, as I did, a single word User Name; not the new must-look-like-an-email-address style. When I finally waited long enough and upgraded to the new style it worked seamlessly. I would have assumed that updating my address would be a seamless and painless process as well, but clearly not. I will definitely NOT update my address if it means loosing content. Ridiculous. Thanks for the warning. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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I had a problem with MAS when I changed my id which is my email address. I changed my email address and id and then I could not update programs or access them with my new id. I learned to correct the problem so you can download updates for software bought with your old id is to delete the program from your disk. Then start up MacApp and you will be able to install the software you have purchased on the old id without any fees. If you restore your whole drive from Time Machine you might have similar problems. Even so Time Machine is great in my opinion. It is nice Steve Jobs took the time to care about making backups and restoring easy. This has save me a few times and it only takes once to make it worth the time to use. -=JB=- On May 29, 2012, at 9:00 PM, Kay C Lan wrote: On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 9:03 AM, Paul Hibbert l...@pbh.on-rev.com wrote: I for one am pleased that some developers still sell through their own sites as well as MAS. I recently had a bad experience with Apple when I moved from the UK to Canada, believe it or not I lost ALL licences for apps purchased through MAS just because I updated my Apple ID to reflect my new address! Thank you for sharing. I've lived and worked in various locations around the world and thankfully didn't incur the problems of many early Apple ID users who had, as I did, a single word User Name; not the new must-look-like-an-email-address style. When I finally waited long enough and upgraded to the new style it worked seamlessly. I would have assumed that updating my address would be a seamless and painless process as well, but clearly not. I will definitely NOT update my address if it means loosing content. Ridiculous. Thanks for the warning. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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On 2012-05-29, at 9:48 PM, -=JB=- wrote: I learned to correct the problem so you can download updates for software bought with your old id is to delete the program from your disk. Then start up MacApp and you will be able to install the software you have purchased on the old id without any fees. This solution was suggested to me elsewhere, but sadly it had no effect on my account. I can only assume it is because Apple transferred my details from the UK App Store to the Canadian App Store. When I launch the App Store it shows absolutely nothing in my purchase history. If I go to the page for the deleted software, it doesn't show the 'Install' button, just a 'Price' button or in some cases an 'Installed' button, so no way to re-install. I sent several emails to the App Store support staff and in the end they were very sympathetic, but could only point me to the iTunes Terms and Conditions. I get the impression it was just legal issue that they weren't able/prepared to do anything about. I can still use the current versions of any software installed, but I just can't re-install/update any of it. Paul ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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I was able to use my current versions too. Sorry to hear about the problems and I have no answer. Are you able to access them from your old account in any way or is that closed and you have no access. Were you required to transfer your MAS account when you moved to Canada? -=JB=- On May 29, 2012, at 10:05 PM, Paul Hibbert wrote: On 2012-05-29, at 9:48 PM, -=JB=- wrote: I learned to correct the problem so you can download updates for software bought with your old id is to delete the program from your disk. Then start up MacApp and you will be able to install the software you have purchased on the old id without any fees. This solution was suggested to me elsewhere, but sadly it had no effect on my account. I can only assume it is because Apple transferred my details from the UK App Store to the Canadian App Store. When I launch the App Store it shows absolutely nothing in my purchase history. If I go to the page for the deleted software, it doesn't show the 'Install' button, just a 'Price' button or in some cases an 'Installed' button, so no way to re-install. I sent several emails to the App Store support staff and in the end they were very sympathetic, but could only point me to the iTunes Terms and Conditions. I get the impression it was just legal issue that they weren't able/prepared to do anything about. I can still use the current versions of any software installed, but I just can't re-install/update any of it. Paul ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
