Re: Printing borked for LC Linux?

2021-03-15 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
I'd like to address your comments bit-by-bit, so firgive me for 
interleaving them in your post.


On 14.03.21 22:16, JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode wrote:
I understand, for me no issue. But for a novice, or an elderly someone 
with very minor knowledge about computers that is already an obstacle. 
They can find the print icon, that's about it.


AS the proud possessor of a 90 year old Mum I can confirm this.



Op 12-3-2021 om 01:20 schreef Bob Sneidar via use-livecode:
As a print device specialist, I can tell you that printing directly 
from a web browser, be it a PDF or a web page or anything, is 
problematic. It is ALWAYS better to produce a PDF then print from a 
real PDF product. Web browsers give you printing as an afterthought. 
“Oh you want to print too?? Uh… okay here you go.”


Erm: I assume this message somehow connects with LiveCode, although that 
is not clear.


Be that true, my comments are based on that:

Yes, printing directly from a browser is utter crap as everything gets 
shunted around, resized and so forth.

So, printing from a browser is largely a waste of time, paper and ink/toner.

HOWEVER, printing from the LC browser widget does NOT have to conform to 
what web-browsers that sit directly on
the OS do, and it would serve the whole LC community if printing 
vis-a-vis the browser widget worked in the same

way as, say, printing out a document from LibreOffice.

One would suppose that one could leverage _print card_ in a way that 
would serve . . .


As long as one's browser widget size coincided with the size of the card 
on which the browser widget resided
one should get something printed out that resembled the web page as it 
was displayed inwith the browser widget.


Of course (!) this might mean that one would have to have some "funny" 
code in one's print button:


set the width of stack "BASEC" to the width of widget "WBB"
set the height of stack "BASEC" to the height of widget "WBB"
set the top of widget "WBB" to 0
set the left of widget "WBB" to 0
.

this might entail quite a lot of the stack disappearing off-screen, but 
one could have more code resizing the stack back to its "normal" size 
after the _print card_ signal had been sent.


Will try this later and post images to the Forums . . .

Best, Richmond.


Bob S


On Mar 11, 2021, at 12:25 PM, JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode 
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> 
wrote:


Not just LC.


Aha: an orphaned phrase. Gottit!



If you try to print a Gmail message in Firefox on Ubuntu Mate, then 
it creates also a pdf which is not getting printed.


Doing the same in chrome and it prints correct.

Printing from Firefox to pdf, then open the pdf in the standard pdf 
reader, it prints also correct.


This was with a Canon inkjet, but there are also issues with other 
brands. In this it looks like Firefox is doing something weird.


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Re: Printing borked for LC Linux?

2021-03-14 Thread JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode
I understand, for me no issue. But for a novice, or an elderly someone 
with very minor knowledge about computers that is already an obstacle. 
They can find the print icon, that's about it.


Op 12-3-2021 om 01:20 schreef Bob Sneidar via use-livecode:

As a print device specialist, I can tell you that printing directly from a web 
browser, be it a PDF or a web page or anything, is problematic. It is ALWAYS 
better to produce a PDF then print from a real PDF product. Web browsers give 
you printing as an afterthought. “Oh you want to print too?? Uh… okay here you 
go.”

Bob S


On Mar 11, 2021, at 12:25 PM, JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode 
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

Not just LC.

If you try to print a Gmail message in Firefox on Ubuntu Mate, then it creates 
also a pdf which is not getting printed.

Doing the same in chrome and it prints correct.

Printing from Firefox to pdf, then open the pdf in the standard pdf reader, it 
prints also correct.

This was with a Canon inkjet, but there are also issues with other brands. In 
this it looks like Firefox is doing something weird.

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Re: Printing borked for LC Linux?

2021-03-11 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
As a print device specialist, I can tell you that printing directly from a web 
browser, be it a PDF or a web page or anything, is problematic. It is ALWAYS 
better to produce a PDF then print from a real PDF product. Web browsers give 
you printing as an afterthought. “Oh you want to print too?? Uh… okay here you 
go.”

Bob S


On Mar 11, 2021, at 12:25 PM, JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode 
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

Not just LC.

If you try to print a Gmail message in Firefox on Ubuntu Mate, then it creates 
also a pdf which is not getting printed.

Doing the same in chrome and it prints correct.

Printing from Firefox to pdf, then open the pdf in the standard pdf reader, it 
prints also correct.

This was with a Canon inkjet, but there are also issues with other brands. In 
this it looks like Firefox is doing something weird.

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Re: Printing borked for LC Linux?

2021-03-11 Thread JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode

Not just LC.

If you try to print a Gmail message in Firefox on Ubuntu Mate, then it 
creates also a pdf which is not getting printed.


Doing the same in chrome and it prints correct.

Printing from Firefox to pdf, then open the pdf in the standard pdf 
reader, it prints also correct.


This was with a Canon inkjet, but there are also issues with other 
brands. In this it looks like Firefox is doing something weird.



Op 11-3-2021 om 20:27 schreef Richard Gaskin via use-livecode:

Mark Wieder wrote:

> On 1/16/21 10:30 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> This report for Linux Mint seems perhaps relevant:
>> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21131
>
> In my comment #13 on that bug report I suggest a workaround. Is that a
> possible way forward for you?

For those who haven't read Mark's helpful workaround, from his comment 
there:


   If you print to pdf, copy and rename that pdf file into
   the /tmp directory, then you can print it to the printer
   because the print command invokes lp properly.


Thanks, Mark. That's more or less what I'm doing now, though manually.

I can work around most of the limitations each time another wheel 
falls off the LC Linux engine.


So I'm okay. I'm more concerned the other tens of millions of desktop 
Linux users who may not stumble across this workaround and get a poor 
impression of what LiveCode can do for themselves and the orgs they run.


--
 Richard Gaskin
 Fourth World Systems
 Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
 
 ambassa...@fourthworld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com


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Re: Printing borked for LC Linux?

2021-03-11 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode

Mark Wieder wrote:

> On 1/16/21 10:30 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> This report for Linux Mint seems perhaps relevant:
>> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21131
>
> In my comment #13 on that bug report I suggest a workaround. Is that a
> possible way forward for you?

For those who haven't read Mark's helpful workaround, from his comment 
there:


   If you print to pdf, copy and rename that pdf file into
   the /tmp directory, then you can print it to the printer
   because the print command invokes lp properly.


Thanks, Mark. That's more or less what I'm doing now, though manually.

I can work around most of the limitations each time another wheel falls 
off the LC Linux engine.


So I'm okay. I'm more concerned the other tens of millions of desktop 
Linux users who may not stumble across this workaround and get a poor 
impression of what LiveCode can do for themselves and the orgs they run.


--
 Richard Gaskin
 Fourth World Systems
 Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
 
 ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com


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Re: Printing borked for LC Linux?

2021-03-08 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode

On 1/16/21 10:30 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:


This report for Linux Mint seems perhaps relevant:
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21131


In my comment #13 on that bug report I suggest a workaround. Is that a 
possible way forward for you?


--
 Mark Wieder
 ahsoftw...@gmail.com

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Re: Printing borked for LC Linux?

2021-01-18 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode

On 1/16/21 10:30 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:


Any of you able to print from LC in Linux?



You seem surprised that Yet Another Feature is broken on linux.

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Re: Printing borked for LC Linux?

2021-01-17 Thread JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode

Off Topic:

I have a triple boot and Ubuntu is just booting so fast, within 2 
seconds i'm on the log-in.


Win10 Boots faster than BigSur, but BigSur shuts down faster, Win10 is a 
pain in the butt when shutting down.


Ubuntu is the fastest booting and shutting down.

Sorry for hijacking this thread.

Op 17-1-2021 om 19:09 schreef Bob Sneidar via use-livecode:

I don’t use Linux, but the way things are going with Apple, I may consider it.

Bob S


On Jan 16, 2021, at 10:30 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

I've been printing almost exclusively to PDF for the last several years, but 
this morning I wanted to print to actual paper, and found that LC doesn't print 
from Ubuntu.

There's nothing in the result after the print command, so LC thinks it's doing 
fine.

And I can print from any other app on the same machine, just not LC.

This report for Linux Mint seems perhaps relevant:
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21131

But it's from nearly three years ago - has printing been completely broken in 
the LC Linux engine for years and so few noticed?

Any of you able to print from LC in Linux?

--
Richard Gaskin
Fourth World Systems
Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web

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Re: Printing borked for LC Linux?

2021-01-17 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
I don’t use Linux, but the way things are going with Apple, I may consider it.

Bob S


On Jan 16, 2021, at 10:30 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

I've been printing almost exclusively to PDF for the last several years, but 
this morning I wanted to print to actual paper, and found that LC doesn't print 
from Ubuntu.

There's nothing in the result after the print command, so LC thinks it's doing 
fine.

And I can print from any other app on the same machine, just not LC.

This report for Linux Mint seems perhaps relevant:
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21131

But it's from nearly three years ago - has printing been completely broken in 
the LC Linux engine for years and so few noticed?

Any of you able to print from LC in Linux?

--
Richard Gaskin
Fourth World Systems
Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web

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