Re: Reading LC List Digests

[Robert Earp via use-livecode]

Thanks for the great advice Jacqueline, it was the old Courier that I had 
tried.  I’ve now changed to Helvetica Neu and we’ll see how that fairs.

best, Bob...

> On Dec 3, 2021, at 09:00, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote:
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> Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2021 12:56:18 -0600
> From: "J. Landman Gay"  <mailto:jac...@hyperactivesw.com>>
> To: How to use LiveCode  <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>
> Subject: Re: Reading LC List Digests
> Message-ID:  <mailto:ae52008f-113d-5305-106a-105dab474...@hyperactivesw.com>>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
> 
> I did a quick search and probably found the same things you did. It does seem 
> to point to a 
> font problem. I know you said you'd tried different fonts but maybe another 
> one would work. In 
> general, Arial and Helvetica are very complete but you may have others. You 
> can use Font Book 
> to examine them and see which ones have the most extensive set of glyphs. I'd 
> think Courier 
> would work though, and you tried that. Check to see if your Courier has a 
> complete set of 
> glyphs, I don't think the older original Courier did but Courier New does.
> 
> If we were talking about LC I'd think it was a problem with 8-bit vs. 16-bit 
> translations but 
> you'd think Mail would know how to deal with that.
> 
> Also, I read that you need to restart Mail when you change the default font.

Robert (Bob) Earp
White Rock
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Re: Reading LC List Digests

[Robert Earp via use-livecode]

I think we’ve had this discussion before Roger, all great nginears can’t spell, 
especially in Greek, which is why spell checkers were invented ;-)

BTW, you’ve reminded me to add a spell checker to the list of features a 
digest-o-matic should have….

best, Bob...

> On Dec 3, 2021, at 09:00, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote:
> 
> Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2021 10:33:53 -0800
> From: Roger Guay mailto:i...@mac.com>>
> To: How to use LiveCode  <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>
> Subject: Re: Reading LC List Digests
> Message-ID: <60a80993-b3f7-44d0-b2f1-16b422b59...@mac.com 
> <mailto:60a80993-b3f7-44d0-b2f1-16b422b59...@mac.com>>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> Yup, I read that those infected by Omicron tend to misspell it!!
> 
> Roger
> 
>> On Dec 2, 2021, at 9:13 AM, Robert Earp via use-livecode 
>> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Sorry about the bad header on my last post, but maybe that is yet another 
>> indication of the requirement for a decent list digests reader, at least for 
>> old dudes, or do I blame it on Omricon !!

Robert (Bob) Earp
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Re: Reading LC List Digests

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

This has come up before if memory serves. It was suggested then that this could 
be done in livecode fairly easily. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 2, 2021, at 10:57, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I did a quick search and probably found the same things you did. It does 
> seem to point to a font problem. I know you said you'd tried different fonts 
> but maybe another one would work. In general, Arial and Helvetica are very 
> complete but you may have others. You can use Font Book to examine them and 
> see which ones have the most extensive set of glyphs. I'd think Courier would 
> work though, and you tried that. Check to see if your Courier has a complete 
> set of glyphs, I don't think the older original Courier did but Courier New 
> does.
> 
> If we were talking about LC I'd think it was a problem with 8-bit vs. 16-bit 
> translations but you'd think Mail would know how to deal with that.
> 
> Also, I read that you need to restart Mail when you change the default font.
> 
>> On 12/2/21 11:13 AM, Robert Earp via use-livecode wrote:
>> Sorry about the bad header on my last post, but maybe that is yet another 
>> indication of the requirement for a decent list digests reader, at least for 
>> old dudes, or do I blame it on Omricon !!
>> ~
>> Sorry Jacqueline and Curry, I should have sent an acknowledgement of your 
>> previous speedy response to my question.
>> Jacqueline and Bob, in Apple Mail I can only find an option for plain text 
>> when composing mail, not receiving mail, but you can choose the font used to 
>> display a message.  I normally use Lucida Sans as its cross platform (from 
>> what I understand), but I have tried many others such as Courier to no 
>> avail.  Regardless, I don’t think mail clients are designed to handle mail 
>> lists in an intuitive manner, which is why I asked my original question 
>> looking for a “great” GUI hopefully in LC ;-)
>> Thanks again and kind regards, Bob...
>> Robert (Bob) Earp
>> White Rock
>> British Columbia
>> Canada
>>>> On Dec 1, 2021, at 09:00, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com 
>>>> <mailto:use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> From: Bob Sneidar >> <mailto:bobsnei...@iotecdigital.com>>
>>> To: How to use LiveCode >> <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>
>>> Subject: Re: Reading LC List Digests
>>> Message-ID: >> <mailto:cdda4e7c-5862-42eb-ae28-e3125cc50...@iotecdigital.com>>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>> 
>>> Yes it does. I use Apple Mail in this way and it works fine.
>>> 
>>> Bob S
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 19, 2021, at 8:36 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>>>> >>> <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com><mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
>>>>  <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm not sure why you're getting garbage in the posts. I have Thunderbird 
>>> set to show posts as text-only and I don't see the problem. I've never much 
>>> liked Apple Mail so I'm not familiar with its features but maybe it has 
>>> something similar to the above.
>>> 
>>> --
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>>> <mailto:jac...@hyperactivesw.com><mailto:jac...@hyperactivesw.com 
>>> <mailto:jac...@hyperactivesw.com>>
>>> 
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Re: Reading LC List Digests

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

I did a quick search and probably found the same things you did. It does seem to point to a 
font problem. I know you said you'd tried different fonts but maybe another one would work. In 
general, Arial and Helvetica are very complete but you may have others. You can use Font Book 
to examine them and see which ones have the most extensive set of glyphs. I'd think Courier 
would work though, and you tried that. Check to see if your Courier has a complete set of 
glyphs, I don't think the older original Courier did but Courier New does.


If we were talking about LC I'd think it was a problem with 8-bit vs. 16-bit translations but 
you'd think Mail would know how to deal with that.


Also, I read that you need to restart Mail when you change the default font.

On 12/2/21 11:13 AM, Robert Earp via use-livecode wrote:

Sorry about the bad header on my last post, but maybe that is yet another 
indication of the requirement for a decent list digests reader, at least for 
old dudes, or do I blame it on Omricon !!


~
Sorry Jacqueline and Curry, I should have sent an acknowledgement of your 
previous speedy response to my question.

Jacqueline and Bob, in Apple Mail I can only find an option for plain text when 
composing mail, not receiving mail, but you can choose the font used to display 
a message.  I normally use Lucida Sans as its cross platform (from what I 
understand), but I have tried many others such as Courier to no avail.  
Regardless, I don’t think mail clients are designed to handle mail lists in an 
intuitive manner, which is why I asked my original question looking for a 
“great” GUI hopefully in LC ;-)

Thanks again and kind regards, Bob...

Robert (Bob) Earp
White Rock
British Columbia
Canada



On Dec 1, 2021, at 09:00, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com 
<mailto:use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

From: Bob Sneidar mailto:bobsnei...@iotecdigital.com>>
To: How to use LiveCode mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>
Subject: Re: Reading LC List Digests
Message-ID: mailto:cdda4e7c-5862-42eb-ae28-e3125cc50...@iotecdigital.com>>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Yes it does. I use Apple Mail in this way and it works fine.

Bob S


On Nov 19, 2021, at 8:36 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com><mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com 
<mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>> wrote:

I'm not sure why you're getting garbage in the posts. I have Thunderbird set to 
show posts as text-only and I don't see the problem. I've never much liked 
Apple Mail so I'm not familiar with its features but maybe it has something 
similar to the above.

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<mailto:jac...@hyperactivesw.com><mailto:jac...@hyperactivesw.com 
<mailto:jac...@hyperactivesw.com>>










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Re: Reading LC List Digests

[Roger Guay via use-livecode]

Yup, I read that those infected by Omicron tend to misspell it!!

Roger

> On Dec 2, 2021, at 9:13 AM, Robert Earp via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Sorry about the bad header on my last post, but maybe that is yet another 
> indication of the requirement for a decent list digests reader, at least for 
> old dudes, or do I blame it on Omricon !!
> 
> 
> ~
> Sorry Jacqueline and Curry, I should have sent an acknowledgement of your 
> previous speedy response to my question.
> 
> Jacqueline and Bob, in Apple Mail I can only find an option for plain text 
> when composing mail, not receiving mail, but you can choose the font used to 
> display a message.  I normally use Lucida Sans as its cross platform (from 
> what I understand), but I have tried many others such as Courier to no avail. 
>  Regardless, I don’t think mail clients are designed to handle mail lists in 
> an intuitive manner, which is why I asked my original question looking for a 
> “great” GUI hopefully in LC ;-)
> 
> Thanks again and kind regards, Bob...
> 
> Robert (Bob) Earp
> White Rock
> British Columbia
> Canada
> 
> 
>> On Dec 1, 2021, at 09:00, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com 
>> <mailto:use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> From: Bob Sneidar > <mailto:bobsnei...@iotecdigital.com>>
>> To: How to use LiveCode > <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>
>> Subject: Re: Reading LC List Digests
>> Message-ID: > <mailto:cdda4e7c-5862-42eb-ae28-e3125cc50...@iotecdigital.com>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>> 
>> Yes it does. I use Apple Mail in this way and it works fine.
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 19, 2021, at 8:36 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>> > <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com><mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com 
>> <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm not sure why you're getting garbage in the posts. I have Thunderbird set 
>> to show posts as text-only and I don't see the problem. I've never much 
>> liked Apple Mail so I'm not familiar with its features but maybe it has 
>> something similar to the above.
>> 
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com 
>> <mailto:jac...@hyperactivesw.com><mailto:jac...@hyperactivesw.com 
>> <mailto:jac...@hyperactivesw.com>>
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Reading LC List Digests

[Robert Earp via use-livecode]

Sorry about the bad header on my last post, but maybe that is yet another 
indication of the requirement for a decent list digests reader, at least for 
old dudes, or do I blame it on Omricon !!


~
Sorry Jacqueline and Curry, I should have sent an acknowledgement of your 
previous speedy response to my question.

Jacqueline and Bob, in Apple Mail I can only find an option for plain text when 
composing mail, not receiving mail, but you can choose the font used to display 
a message.  I normally use Lucida Sans as its cross platform (from what I 
understand), but I have tried many others such as Courier to no avail.  
Regardless, I don’t think mail clients are designed to handle mail lists in an 
intuitive manner, which is why I asked my original question looking for a 
“great” GUI hopefully in LC ;-)

Thanks again and kind regards, Bob...

Robert (Bob) Earp
White Rock
British Columbia
Canada


> On Dec 1, 2021, at 09:00, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com 
> <mailto:use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> From: Bob Sneidar  <mailto:bobsnei...@iotecdigital.com>>
> To: How to use LiveCode  <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>
> Subject: Re: Reading LC List Digests
> Message-ID:  <mailto:cdda4e7c-5862-42eb-ae28-e3125cc50...@iotecdigital.com>>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Yes it does. I use Apple Mail in this way and it works fine.
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
> On Nov 19, 2021, at 8:36 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>  <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com><mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com 
> <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>> wrote:
> 
> I'm not sure why you're getting garbage in the posts. I have Thunderbird set 
> to show posts as text-only and I don't see the problem. I've never much liked 
> Apple Mail so I'm not familiar with its features but maybe it has something 
> similar to the above.
> 
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com 
> <mailto:jac...@hyperactivesw.com><mailto:jac...@hyperactivesw.com 
> <mailto:jac...@hyperactivesw.com>>
> 








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Re: Reading LC List Digests

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Yes it does. I use Apple Mail in this way and it works fine.

Bob S


On Nov 19, 2021, at 8:36 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

I'm not sure why you're getting garbage in the posts. I have Thunderbird set to 
show posts as text-only and I don't see the problem. I've never much liked 
Apple Mail so I'm not familiar with its features but maybe it has something 
similar to the above.

--
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jac...@hyperactivesw.com

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Re: Reading LC List Digests

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

This may not be exactly what you want, but I find the best way for me is to 
subscribe to individual posts. I have a filter in my email app 
(Thunderbird) that redirects all list posts into a separate folder. There 
is also a setting to arrange the posts in thread view so you can see 
related posts in order by thread. I find this method to be very easy to 
read and maintain.


I'm not sure why you're getting garbage in the posts. I have Thunderbird 
set to show posts as text-only and I don't see the problem. I've never much 
liked Apple Mail so I'm not familiar with its features but maybe it has 
something similar to the above.


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On November 19, 2021 6:06:26 PM Robert Earp via use-livecode 
 wrote:



Does anybody know a a great interface for digests from the LC lists ?

I have two problems...

Ever since I subscribed to the two LC lists many years ago when they first 
started I set my subscription options to send digests so that I would not 
have oodles of separate eMails sent to me, one each time somebody posted 
something.  To some extent digests works OK as at the top of the digest you 
get the “Today’s Topics” summary and each message/post numbered.  I also 
get to see who has posted what, which I suspect like you, I use as a 
filter.  If I see something of interest in the Today’s Topics (although the 
topic can often be misleading) from somebody I trust,  I scroll down the 
digest until I get to the actual post.


Frankly, the scrolling is a pain especially as posts are not grouped by 
topic, they are chronologically grouped, plus people often repeat the whole 
thread in their reply which makes scrolling arduous.


The second problem I have is that frequently some of the characters in a 
post do not show in Apple Mail (what I am using to view the digests) as a 
the correct/intended/valid character.  I often see question marks and 
sometimes other characters in place of what somebody has posted.  ex.  
“…..pop-up that says ?The ?C++filt? command…..”   Of course, it is a 
guessing game as to what character the “?” is replacing.


Given that the lists are LC centric, I would have hoped somebody would have 
come up with a better interface by now !!


Do you have a better way of keeping up with the lists or know of a stack or 
web site that does ?


Many thanks, Bob...



Robert (Bob) Earp
White Rock
British Columbia
Canada






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Re: Reading LC List Digests

[Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode]

Bob:

> Does anybody know a a great interface for digests from the LC lists ?

Yep, here's the best one:



> To some extent digests works OK as at the top of the digest
> you get the “Today’s Topics” summary and each message/post numbered.

Yep, the digest email is the TV Guide. The list archive is the TV.

> I also get to see who has posted what, which I suspect like you,
> I use as a filter.

Not really; accuracy depends on what is posted, not who.

> Frankly, the scrolling is a pain especially as posts
> are not grouped by topic, they are chronologically grouped,

Archive is easy to scroll, full screen, can be sorted several ways.

> plus people often repeat the whole thread in their reply
> which makes scrolling arduous.

Yeah! That bugs me too, no matter where I read.
But variety is the spice of life!

Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy

Custom Software Development
"Better Methods, Better Results"
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