Re: We're Funding LiveCode For the Web
On 02/07/14 00:09, Terence Heaford wrote: On 1 Jul 2014, at 16:16, Heather Laine heat...@livecode.com wrote: We surveyed our entire user base and a massive 85% of you want HTML5 deployment, ASAP. Nobody surveyed me? —Terry Nor me. a massive 85% ??? our entire user base That is not true: all the kids I have taught Livecode to over the last 4 years (half of who use it for doing things on an on-off basis) were not surveyed. Those kids (who, unlike 52 year olds like me, are the future of Livecode) and their opinions matter; as do all the other kids around the world quietly getting to grips with Livecode. Come to think of things; I wonder how many kids younger than say, 18, who are tinkering with Livecode know what is meant by HTML5? I think Livecode's plan to develop HTML5 capabilities is marvellous (I have already stated that), but their way of promoting it, like a lot of their other advertising, leaves a lot to be desired. I never buy washing powder because 9 out of 10 housewives prefer washing with Livecode! I wash with Livecode because I see what it does to my clothes. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: We're Funding LiveCode For the Web
If you didn't get a survey request from us, either you are not signed up to receive emails from us (you've opted out of both promotional and newsletter lists), you spam filtered or bounced our mail, or you joined the community after we sent the survey. We sent that survey to every email address that we had permission to mail. Regards, Heather On 2 Jul 2014, at 07:53, Richmond wrote: On 02/07/14 00:09, Terence Heaford wrote: On 1 Jul 2014, at 16:16, Heather Laine heat...@livecode.com wrote: We surveyed our entire user base and a massive 85% of you want HTML5 deployment, ASAP. Nobody surveyed me? —Terry Nor me. a massive 85% ??? our entire user base That is not true: all the kids I have taught Livecode to over the last 4 years (half of who use it for doing things on an on-off basis) were not surveyed. Those kids (who, unlike 52 year olds like me, are the future of Livecode) and their opinions matter; as do all the other kids around the world quietly getting to grips with Livecode. Come to think of things; I wonder how many kids younger than say, 18, who are tinkering with Livecode know what is meant by HTML5? I think Livecode's plan to develop HTML5 capabilities is marvellous (I have already stated that), but their way of promoting it, like a lot of their other advertising, leaves a lot to be desired. I never buy washing powder because 9 out of 10 housewives prefer washing with Livecode! I wash with Livecode because I see what it does to my clothes. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode Heather Laine Customer Services Manager http://www.livecode.com/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: We're Funding LiveCode For the Web
It's not about who'm you email, it's about what you say. I'm sure I'm part of those 85%, which is misleading. Why? Because the poll asked What technology would be nice to have? please select all that apply.. HTML5 was part of that list. Meanwhile Less bugs, and a better coding experience was not. On 02 Jul 2014, at 09:55, Heather Laine heat...@runrev.com wrote: If you didn't get a survey request from us, either you are not signed up to receive emails from us (you've opted out of both promotional and newsletter lists), you spam filtered or bounced our mail, or you joined the community after we sent the survey. We sent that survey to every email address that we had permission to mail. Regards, Heather On 2 Jul 2014, at 07:53, Richmond wrote: On 02/07/14 00:09, Terence Heaford wrote: On 1 Jul 2014, at 16:16, Heather Laine heat...@livecode.com wrote: We surveyed our entire user base and a massive 85% of you want HTML5 deployment, ASAP. Nobody surveyed me? —Terry Nor me. a massive 85% ??? our entire user base That is not true: all the kids I have taught Livecode to over the last 4 years (half of who use it for doing things on an on-off basis) were not surveyed. Those kids (who, unlike 52 year olds like me, are the future of Livecode) and their opinions matter; as do all the other kids around the world quietly getting to grips with Livecode. Come to think of things; I wonder how many kids younger than say, 18, who are tinkering with Livecode know what is meant by HTML5? I think Livecode's plan to develop HTML5 capabilities is marvellous (I have already stated that), but their way of promoting it, like a lot of their other advertising, leaves a lot to be desired. I never buy washing powder because 9 out of 10 housewives prefer washing with Livecode! I wash with Livecode because I see what it does to my clothes. Richmond. -- Anyone thinking about joining on the 28. June in Zurich? Please send me an email! -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: We're Funding LiveCode For the Web
And what does Livecode do to your clothes ? (sorry, I couldn't resist)... jbv I wash with Livecode because I see what it does to my clothes. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: We're Funding LiveCode For the Web
Just had a look at my account page and all it says is: Keep me informed of LiveCode special offers updates Subscribe to our newsletter A survey is neither of the above? Perhaps you should have posted on the list that people wanting to take the survey can find the link on their account page. Terry On 2 Jul 2014, at 08:55, Heather Laine heat...@runrev.com wrote: If you didn't get a survey request from us, either you are not signed up to receive emails from us (you've opted out of both promotional and newsletter lists), you spam filtered or bounced our mail, or you joined the community after we sent the survey. We sent that survey to every email address that we had permission to mail. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: We're Funding LiveCode For the Web
On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Mark Wilcox m...@sorcery-ltd.co.uk wrote: It's running in the browser, with the LiveCode engine compiled to JavaScript. Compiling SQLite to JavaScript and running it locally in the browser is not a great option - how will you reliably persist the data and keep decent performance? Not that there aren't JavaScript based DB solutions that use local file storage. Actually, all I need is the in-memory db, and for a fairly small database at that. Performancewise, however, I need that data locally. Changing one item can result in the need to reference dozens of others to recalculate, its dependent values. Sadly the web standards folks messed up here. Web SQL was effectively killed because Mozilla and Microsoft refused to implement it. IndexedDB looks like the option that everyone eventually agreed on but it's not implemented everywhere yet. I suspect it will be fairly widespread by the time the HTML5 deployment option is complete though... I don't need any *particular* database, but I do need to be able to use revDataFromQuery(). I initially implented value storage with my getVal() and setVal() to use an array, but there are too many different ways I access particular data types; to use anything other than a (light) database means custom loops through everything for each type of WHERE that I use. If there were an array type that could access the same data from different independent indices, that *could* work, but I think we'd call that array a database :) As things get set and calculated and changed, a db row gives me a nice way to access by any of these. Without it, I'd have to manually set everything in additional arrays just to keep track of things, which is an army of bugs waiting to be sprayed . . . Also, my db need is *very* simple. I use a few UNION just to turn things into a single access, and some compound WHERE, but no JOIN, related tables, and whatnot. -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: We're Funding LiveCode For the Web
I have posted a message about the campaign bring HTML5 to LiveCode on the forum of the French site 01net (forum: Logiciels/developpement) http://www.01net.com/ Jacques 2014-07-02 18:59 GMT+02:00 Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com: On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Mark Wilcox m...@sorcery-ltd.co.uk wrote: It's running in the browser, with the LiveCode engine compiled to JavaScript. Compiling SQLite to JavaScript and running it locally in the browser is not a great option - how will you reliably persist the data and keep decent performance? Not that there aren't JavaScript based DB solutions that use local file storage. Actually, all I need is the in-memory db, and for a fairly small database at that. Performancewise, however, I need that data locally. Changing one item can result in the need to reference dozens of others to recalculate, its dependent values. Sadly the web standards folks messed up here. Web SQL was effectively killed because Mozilla and Microsoft refused to implement it. IndexedDB looks like the option that everyone eventually agreed on but it's not implemented everywhere yet. I suspect it will be fairly widespread by the time the HTML5 deployment option is complete though... I don't need any *particular* database, but I do need to be able to use revDataFromQuery(). I initially implented value storage with my getVal() and setVal() to use an array, but there are too many different ways I access particular data types; to use anything other than a (light) database means custom loops through everything for each type of WHERE that I use. If there were an array type that could access the same data from different independent indices, that *could* work, but I think we'd call that array a database :) As things get set and calculated and changed, a db row gives me a nice way to access by any of these. Without it, I'd have to manually set everything in additional arrays just to keep track of things, which is an army of bugs waiting to be sprayed . . . Also, my db need is *very* simple. I use a few UNION just to turn things into a single access, and some compound WHERE, but no JOIN, related tables, and whatnot. -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Jacques Clavel ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: We're Funding LiveCode For the Web
On 01/07/14 18:16, Heather Laine wrote: Dear List Folks, You told us we need to bring HTML5 Web Delivery to LiveCode. We listened: http://livecode.com/livecode-to-html5/ We surveyed our entire user base and a massive 85% of you want HTML5 deployment, ASAP.Today we are launching the Crowd Funding Campaign to make it happen. This is a project for making LiveCode the complete app development solution that we all want, and to bring it to you faster. It’s a project to change the way we create and deliver apps. If you want to see LiveCode deploying to the Web please get involved with the campaign. Pledge, donate, spread the word, tell your friends, tell your family, tell the postman... LiveCode needs YOU! This is the final frontier to making LiveCode the complete all round solution for app developers anywhere. No plugin, platform agnostic, run in any HTML5 capable browser. Learn all about it here: http://livecode.com/livecode-to-html5/ snip I'm very sorry; but I am flat skint at the moment, and working hard to stump up the necessary funds for my sons at University: one in Germany and the other in the USA. Had I money I would send you some. All I can offer you right now is my best wishes and a pious hope that the HTML5 deployment will NOT rely on a web-download as did the LC version 4 revPlayer widget. It certainly sounds very exciting indeed! Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: We're Funding LiveCode For the Web
On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: All I can offer you right now is my best wishes and a pious hope that the HTML5 deployment will NOT rely on a web-download as did the LC version 4 revPlayer widget. My concern is that it have local, in-memory SQLite wherever it happens to be running, whether that be the browser or the server. -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: We're Funding LiveCode For the Web
Bravo on bringing HTML5+Javascript Web Delivery to LiveCode. Awesome! Btw, I crafted a MetaCard WYSIWYG-editor of dHTML .. back in the day. Of-course it will be far-better coded natively; more maintained that's for sure! Thanks for this GREAT project. I will try to help [financially] when I become more sure of my means. Alain On Tuesday, July 1, 2014 11:33:16 AM, Heather Laine heat...@livecode.com wrote: Dear List Folks, You told us we need to bring HTML5 Web Delivery to LiveCode. We listened: http://livecode.com/livecode-to-html5/ We surveyed our entire user base and a massive 85% of you want HTML5 deployment, ASAP.Today we are launching the Crowd Funding Campaign to make it happen. This is a project for making LiveCode the complete app development solution that we all want, and to bring it to you faster. It’s a project to change the way we create and deliver apps. If you want to see LiveCode deploying to the Web please get involved with the campaign. Pledge, donate, spread the word, tell your friends, tell your family, tell the postman... LiveCode needs YOU! This is the final frontier to making LiveCode the complete all round solution for app developers anywhere. No plugin, platform agnostic, run in any HTML5 capable browser. Learn all about it here: http://livecode.com/livecode-to-html5/ Warm Regards, Heather Heather Laine Customer Services Manager http://www.livecode.com/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: We're Funding LiveCode For the Web
Richmond... No Plugin! There will be no download required. Regards, Heather On 1 Jul 2014, at 16:59, Richmond wrote: On 01/07/14 18:16, Heather Laine wrote: Dear List Folks, You told us we need to bring HTML5 Web Delivery to LiveCode. We listened: http://livecode.com/livecode-to-html5/ We surveyed our entire user base and a massive 85% of you want HTML5 deployment, ASAP.Today we are launching the Crowd Funding Campaign to make it happen. This is a project for making LiveCode the complete app development solution that we all want, and to bring it to you faster. It’s a project to change the way we create and deliver apps. If you want to see LiveCode deploying to the Web please get involved with the campaign. Pledge, donate, spread the word, tell your friends, tell your family, tell the postman... LiveCode needs YOU! This is the final frontier to making LiveCode the complete all round solution for app developers anywhere. No plugin, platform agnostic, run in any HTML5 capable browser. Learn all about it here: http://livecode.com/livecode-to-html5/ snip I'm very sorry; but I am flat skint at the moment, and working hard to stump up the necessary funds for my sons at University: one in Germany and the other in the USA. Had I money I would send you some. All I can offer you right now is my best wishes and a pious hope that the HTML5 deployment will NOT rely on a web-download as did the LC version 4 revPlayer widget. It certainly sounds very exciting indeed! Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode Heather Laine Customer Services Manager http://www.livecode.com/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: We're Funding LiveCode For the Web
My concern is that it have local, in-memory SQLite wherever it happens to be running, whether that be the browser or the server. -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. It's running in the browser, with the LiveCode engine compiled to JavaScript. Compiling SQLite to JavaScript and running it locally in the browser is not a great option - how will you reliably persist the data and keep decent performance? Not that there aren't JavaScript based DB solutions that use local file storage. Sadly the web standards folks messed up here. Web SQL was effectively killed because Mozilla and Microsoft refused to implement it. IndexedDB looks like the option that everyone eventually agreed on but it's not implemented everywhere yet. I suspect it will be fairly widespread by the time the HTML5 deployment option is complete though... -- Mark Wilcox m...@sorcery-ltd.co.uk ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: We're Funding LiveCode For the Web
On 1 Jul 2014, at 16:16, Heather Laine heat...@livecode.com wrote: We surveyed our entire user base and a massive 85% of you want HTML5 deployment, ASAP. Nobody surveyed me? —Terry ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
