Re: Sending a message to users that floats above everything

On 12/3/17 5:09 PM, Monte Goulding via use-livecode wrote: On 4 Dec 2017, at 10:01 am, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote: Bump. I think the team has forgotten about the PR for the Android toast. Anyone want to try their hand at making it in LCB?

Re: Sending a message to users that floats above everything

On 2017-12-04 00:22, Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote: There are actually 2 PRs for toast... one LCB and another in the engine itself. 5860 & 5018 Indeed - the LCB one started off as a transliteration of the engine implementation provided by @HedgeHao... It has the advantage of being a

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There are actually 2 PRs for toast... one LCB and another in the engine itself. 5860 & 5018 On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 5:09 PM Monte Goulding via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > On 4 Dec 2017, at 10:01 am, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode < > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>

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> On 4 Dec 2017, at 10:01 am, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode > wrote: > > Bump. > > I think the team has forgotten about the PR for the Android toast. Anyone > want to try their hand at making it in LCB? Actually Mark already did it in LCB but the PR is

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Bump. I think the team has forgotten about the PR for the Android toast. Anyone want to try their hand at making it in LCB? On 8/21/17 12:25 PM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote: On 2017-08-21 17:41, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote: Monte's external works great on newer Android

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On 8/24/17 2:28 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote: > The equivalent for Android is in the Android object library I made > which is now available for anyone who attended my LC Global session. For those who didn't, what is it and where it is? It's an object library I made for myself

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J. Landman Gay wrote: > My main point was that intrusive answer dialogs aren't appropriate for > any OS now, and no mobile platform uses them. There are no native > substitutes. I see. Thanks. I was thinking of Answer as serving two purposes: a) Immediate notification, often requiring

Re: Sending a message to users that floats above everything

My main point was that intrusive answer dialogs aren't appropriate for any OS now, and no mobile platform uses them. There are no native substitutes. The equivalent for Android is in the Android object library I made which is now available for anyone who attended my LC Global session. If you

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I must confess I read Jacques post as meaning the Google Play Store (google play services are something else - although related). If the store is now present on that percentage of devices then the problem with OS updates more than justifies the recent tightening of the rules of the store...

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J. Landman Gay wrote (re. Answer dialogs): > If you want native appearance they are inappropriate. How can they be made HIG conformant? I guess a follow-on question would be: why are they not? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile,

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And we all know that iOS malware is the very best that money can buy! ;-) On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > If the malware is good enough, you won't know. ;-) > > Bob S > > > > On Aug 24, 2017, at 05:55 , Roger Eller via

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> On Aug 24, 2017, at 3:14 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode > wrote: > > On 8/24/17 12:22 AM, Stephen MacLean via use-livecode wrote: >> My point was that unfortunately that only means ~15% of currently active >> Android devices are fairly safe and Bob’s

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If the malware is good enough, you won't know. ;-) Bob S > On Aug 24, 2017, at 05:55 , Roger Eller via use-livecode > wrote: > > I have never experienced any malware attacks, and the > device continues to serve me well in compatibility-testing of apps created >

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On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 9:01 AM, hh via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > Jonathan wrote: > > I hate to hide the map just for something like adjusting the range at > which one can see markers. > > You could make a snapshot of the map, gray it out and use the image as >

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On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 7:18 AM, Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > I hate to hide the map just for something like adjusting the range at > which one can see markers. > > That said, yours is probably the best currently available solution. It > would be easy

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> Jonathan wrote: > I hate to hide the map just for something like adjusting the range at which > one can see markers. You could make a snapshot of the map, gray it out and use the image as background (everything else hidden). ___ use-livecode mailing

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On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 3:14 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > On 8/24/17 12:22 AM, Stephen MacLean via use-livecode wrote: > >> My point was that unfortunately that only means ~15% of currently active >> Android devices are fairly safe and Bob’s

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I hate to hide the map just for something like adjusting the range at which one can see markers. That said, yours is probably the best currently available solution. It would be easy to hide and show the current group as needed. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 24, 2017, at 6:00 AM, hh via

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Jonathan wrote: > What is the best way to send a message to users that floats above > everything else, including browser widgets? > ... > Would it be possible in LCB to make a float-above-everything (including > browser) dialog? Didn't read the whole huge thread, so in case it is not already

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Would it be possible in LCB to make a float-above-everything (including browser) dialog? Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 24, 2017, at 4:49 AM, Keith Martin via use-livecode > wrote: > >> On 21 Aug 2017, at 18:53, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote: >> >> If

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On 21 Aug 2017, at 18:53, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote: If you want native appearance they are inappropriate. Ah, a slightly different thing to what I first assumed. Answer dialogs as a concept have an important place, of course. But yes, non-standard UI/appearance for stuff that

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On 8/24/17 12:22 AM, Stephen MacLean via use-livecode wrote: My point was that unfortunately that only means ~15% of currently active Android devices are fairly safe and Bob’s comment, while brief, was fair as far as it was concerned. Once Android hits iOS’s ~85% active devices on latest

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> On Aug 24, 2017, at 12:00 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode > wrote: > > On 8/23/17 10:27 PM, Stephen MacLean via use-livecode wrote: >> Only about ~15% of Android devices are at anywhere near a recent patch level >> or current OS version. >> Android, locked

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On 8/23/17 10:27 PM, Stephen MacLean via use-livecode wrote: Only about ~15% of Android devices are at anywhere near a recent patch level or current OS version. Android, locked down like iOS (store only apps, current OS version, no - cheap knock offs, stock only OS, etc, etc.) may be close to

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> On Aug 23, 2017, at 4:23 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode > wrote: > > J. Landman Gay wrote: > > > On 8/23/17 9:46 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: > >> But the reason there are more attacks against Android is simple. > >> It's orders of magnitude

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"Security Fix: A stack overflow vulnerability was found in nan* functions that could cause applications, which process long strings with the nan f" WHAT arbitrary code? Code that can run elevated? What does arbitrary mean? Just because you can get code to run, doesn't mean it can override

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And I quote, "The security bug can be exploited by a logged-in attacker, or malware on the computer, to gain total unauthorized control of the Mac." How did the attacker "log in"? How did the malware GET on the computer?? That is my point. ANY software that an end user installs no longer

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J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 8/23/17 4:19 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote: >> But here I just did a Google search - this was the first one I found: >> >> Get root on an OS X 10.10 Mac: The exploit is so trivial it fits >> in a tweet; If you want it fixed, upgrade to the El

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On 8/23/17 4:19 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote: But here I just did a Google search - this was the first one I found:    Get root on an OS X 10.10 Mac: The exploit is so trivial it fits    in a tweet; If you want it fixed, upgrade to the El Capitan beta

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On 8/23/17 3:38 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: Gotta disagree there. Not sure how you would quantify it either. I have yet to see an exploit for OS X that elevated priveleges, allowed software to be installed silently, and didn't require user interaction of some sort.

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Bob Sneidar wrote: >> On Aug 23, 2017, at 13:23 , Richard Gaskin wrote: >> >> Stock Android is safer than just about any desktop OS, including >> macOS. > > Gotta disagree there. Not sure how you would quantify it either. Without quantification there would be no objective means to see if you

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Gotta disagree there. Not sure how you would quantify it either. I have yet to see an exploit for OS X that elevated priveleges, allowed software to be installed silently, and didn't require user interaction of some sort. Lots of press, but when you get down to where they talk about the

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But... the Chinese are out FRIENDS! ;-) (and their food is quite tasty too!) Bob S > On Aug 23, 2017, at 12:20 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode > wrote: > > Avoid the cheap Chinese knock-offs that ship without Google's software. Those > are the dangerous

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J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 8/23/17 9:46 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: >> But the reason there are more attacks against Android is simple. >> It's orders of magnitude easier to exploit. > > Very true. But the actual percentage of Android users who contract > malware is less than 1%

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On 8/23/17 9:46 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: But the reason there are more attacks against Android is simple. It's orders of magnitude easier to exploit. Very true. But the actual percentage of Android users who contract malware is less than 1% (0.01 sticks in my memory.) And

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So long as social engineering is not counted in the gamut of "hacks", I might agree. I don't count anything where a user does something unprescribed, or is tricked into doing something as a hack. I was listening to The Tech Guy last Sunday and a gal called in to say she was in facebook and an

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On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 4:43 PM, Stephen Barncard via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > the Android world creeps me out. And those phones always seem to break. > > sqb > > -- > Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA - > mixstream.org > > LOL! I love the customizability of

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Bob Sneidar wrote: > I suppose it depends on what your priorities are. If I could be > virtually guaranteed that going to a web site wouldn't hijack my > computer, and there were alternatives to having a native file system > so that it wasn't nearly so important (the iOS does have a file system

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I suppose it depends on what your priorities are. If I could be virtually guaranteed that going to a web site wouldn't hijack my computer, and there were alternatives to having a native file system so that it wasn't nearly so important (the iOS does have a file system it's just sandboxed

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On 8/22/17 3:43 PM, Stephen Barncard via use-livecode wrote: the Android world creeps me out. And those phones always seem to break. None of my phones are newer than 3 years old and they all work. I prefer Android because it's a real operating system with a file system where you can open

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Stephen Barncard wrote: > the Android world creeps me out. My wife (definitely not a techie) says the same thing on the rare day when she has to use my iPad. There's no disputing taste. I prefer the ease of deploying my test builds to Android, and the customizability, and having three

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the Android world creeps me out. And those phones always seem to break. sqb -- Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA - mixstream.org On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 11:57 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > I did roll my own but it isn't possible to get it

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I did roll my own but it isn't possible to get it quite right. It's called a "toast" because it pops up/slides up from the bottom of the screen and then slides back down again. Doing it in LCS requires visual effects which break the effect if there is anything under the sliding area;

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jonathandlynch wrote: > It would really be great if we could pop over a substack on all > platforms. Can that be done in LCB? http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2786 -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web

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Export a snapshot of the main stack and use it as the background for the top stack? That could work. Would need to test how fast it is and how well it works when a browser widget is up. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 22, 2017, at 2:03 PM, jonathandly...@gmail.com wrote: > > It would really be

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It would really be great if we could pop over a substack on all platforms. Can that be done in LCB? Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 22, 2017, at 1:49 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode > wrote: > > Oooh I was thinking about toasting... err rolling my own! > > Bob S

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Oooh I was thinking about toasting... err rolling my own! Bob S > On Aug 22, 2017, at 10:41 , Mark Waddingham via use-livecode > wrote: > > On 2017-08-22 17:10, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: >> Educate me, what is toast? > > It pops up a small overlay on

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On 2017-08-22 17:10, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: Educate me, what is toast? It pops up a small overlay on the screen with a message, which then fades away after a fixed period of time. A bit like notifications on Mac, and the small bubble that can appear above the taskbar on Windows.

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Educate me, what is toast? Bob S > On Aug 21, 2017, at 23:50 , Mark Waddingham via use-livecode > wrote: > > I wouldn't usually suggest duplicating effort / code - however the Toast > function is too hard to resist in this case... If only to show a direct >

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On 2017-08-21 23:38, Monte Goulding via use-livecode wrote: Hmm… nobody told me about a crash… anyway, as Mark said it’s probably best done in LCB now. I wouldn't usually suggest duplicating effort / code - however the Toast function is too hard to resist in this case... If only to show a

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On 8/21/17 4:38 PM, Monte Goulding via use-livecode wrote: On 22 Aug 2017, at 1:41 am, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote: Monte's external works great on newer Android devices but seems to crash on older ones. That's why I had to replace it with a hacked

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> On 22 Aug 2017, at 1:41 am, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode > wrote: > > Monte's external works great on newer Android devices but seems to crash on > older ones. That's why I had to replace it with a hacked up fake in my > Android object library. There's a

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Yes, they're easy to implement, but they don't match the specs for any modern OS and they're very old school. If you want native appearance they are inappropriate. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com

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On 2017-08-21 17:41, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote: Monte's external works great on newer Android devices but seems to crash on older ones. That's why I had to replace it with a hacked up fake in my Android object library. There's a pull request in git for a native toast that is waiting

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I like the dialogs on iOS. Simple, not offensive, clean. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 21, 2017, at 12:32 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode > wrote: > > Awww! Take it back! I use em all the time. Someone clicks the delete button, > I ask them if they are sure

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Awww! Take it back! I use em all the time. Someone clicks the delete button, I ask them if they are sure that is what they want to do. Bob S > On Aug 21, 2017, at 08:41 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode > wrote: > > Answer dialogs aren't appropriate for any

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Monte's external works great on newer Android devices but seems to crash on older ones. That's why I had to replace it with a hacked up fake in my Android object library. There's a pull request in git for a native toast that is waiting for review and as soon as it's available I will switch to

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On 2017-08-21 14:55, Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode wrote: This mislayering is with browser widgets that are grouped into different groups. Would that make a difference? Quite possibly! The engine does extra work to handle grouped widgets which use a native layer (it has to synthesize the

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This mislayering is with browser widgets that are grouped into different groups. Would that make a difference? Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 21, 2017, at 8:24 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode > wrote: > >> On 2017-08-21 03:53, Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode

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On 2017-08-21 03:53, Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode wrote: I have been using "answer", "ask", and the mobile picker because they appear on top. However, these system dialogs are not always pretty, especially on Android. Is there another option? I tried using a browser widget, but that does not

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Does the browser -need- to be visible during the message? If not, hide it first. If so, display a temp screenshot of it during your message. ~Roger On Aug 20, 2017 9:53 PM, "Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode" < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: What is the best way to send a message to

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I will check that out - thanks Dave Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 21, 2017, at 5:18 AM, Dave Kilroy via use-livecode > wrote: > > > Jonathan - how about a toast? (on Android that is), I haven’t tested it but I > would assume it would appear above a browser… >

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Jonathan - how about a toast? (on Android that is), I haven’t tested it but I would assume it would appear above a browser… Monte did an external some time ago (mergAndroid I think) that I’m pretty sure included support for toasting :) Kind regards Dave

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Thanks Swami, I think you are right - but I really hate the way the answer dialog looks on Android. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 20, 2017, at 11:21 PM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode > wrote: > > Jonathan: > > I don't think it is even/ever

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Jonathan: I don't think it is even/ever possible to get something to "float"on top of a browser widget on Mobile. I wish/hope that I am wrong. On 8/20/17, 3:53 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode"

Sending a message to users that floats above everything

What is the best way to send a message to users that floats above everything else, including browser widgets? I have been using "answer", "ask", and the mobile picker because they appear on top. However, these system dialogs are not always pretty, especially on Android. Is there another