Re: Store to iCloud Drive on iOS?

[Bob Sneidar]

In Forms Generator, I have the users log in, and the first time they do they 
are prompted for certain critical settings, without which the app won't 
function. I save those settings in the login table of the database. For your 
purposes, you could simply create a sqlite table for that purpose.

If the user deletes the database then you have grounds to stand on that the 
user caused his own troubles and needs to restore the backup he is sure not to 
have made before deleting his own settings.

Bob S


On Oct 24, 2016, at 08:46 , Mike Kerner 
> wrote:

Bill, just continuing that discussion on dropbox, what you would do is
retrieve the file from dropbox, and then store it with your app (it's just
a file).  The one thing I haven't tried to do is to use persistent custom
properties inside of my apps.  I'm more worried about the user deleting the
app and wiping the data with it, so even though I keep everything locally,
I still want it in the cloud, too.

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Re: Store to iCloud?

[Earthednet-wp]

Mike,
Thanks! I'll look into it.
Best,
Bill

William Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org

> On Oct 24, 2016, at 8:41 AM, Mike Kerner  wrote:
> 
> Are you referring to the phoenix lib?  The documentation is pretty much in
> order.  There is also the mergDropbox plugin that LC distributes, and
> there's a Dropbox 2.0 API that is also out there.  We do all of our data
> transfer between devices and desktops with dropbox, right now.  That's
> across a bunch of apps and a pile of devices.
> 
> 
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 11:31 AM, Earthednet-wp 
> wrote:
> 
>> Bob,
>> Thanks for the info. Trying to implement this on my own is getting deeper
>> into the bowels of Xcode than I want.
>> 
>> I looked at the api for Dropbox and fiddled with it a bit, but
>> communicating with these api's is not in my area of expertise. I'd love to
>> see some sample code. I looked at the dropbox stack that was distributed a
>> year or so ago and it didn't work.
>> 
>> Perhaps the data sync tools that Todd is working on will get me started
>> or, better yet, solve my problem.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Bill
>> 
>> William Prothero
>> http://es.earthednet.org
>> 
>>> On Oct 24, 2016, at 8:17 AM, Bob Sneidar 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> If you get info on the file or folder, then click the path in the dialog
>> (it doesn't look like a path but click it anyway) then copy it, you can
>> paste it into a text file and it will paste as the full path.
>>> 
>>> Bob S
>>> 
>>> 
 On Oct 21, 2016, at 13:15 , William Prothero 
>> wrote:
 
 Bob:
 My bad. It works if I use:
 "/Users/prothero/Library/Mobile Documents/com~apple~CloudDocs” for the
>> path.
 
 It’s weird, because if you go to the folder, you don’t see the path
>> using the finder. But, you can get the path if you duplicate the Mobil
>> Documents folder, and all of the inside folders appear.
 
 Thanks again.
 Bill
 
> On Oct 21, 2016, at 12:25 PM, William Prothero <
>> proth...@earthednet.org> wrote:
> 
> Bob:
> On my Mac, OS 10.11.6, it looks like the file path is
> /Users//Library/Mobile Documents/> path here>
> 
> I don’t see the "com~apple!CloudDocs" folder. Am I missing something?
> Bill
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 21, 2016, at 7:57 AM, Bob Sneidar 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> On a Mac it's fairly easy if you are alreacy connecting to iCloud
>> Drive. Just write a file to:
>> 
>> /Users//Library/Mobile
>> Documents/com~apple~CloudDocs/
>> 
>> Not sure how to connect to an Icloud drive on Windows, but the
>> process would be similar.
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 21, 2016, at 07:50 , Earthednet-wp > > wrote:
>> 
>> Folks,
>> I'm wondering if anybody has stored data on Apple's iCloud or iCloud
>> Drive. I have an app where I want the use entered data to be persistent
>> between upgrades, and accessible between multiple devices, but don't want
>> to support a database on my server.
>> 
>> I am about to look deeper into this, but if anybody has done this,
>> advice would be very much appreciated.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Bill
>> 
>> William Prothero
>> http://es.earthednet.org
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Re: Store to iCloud Drive on iOS?

[Mike Kerner]

Bill, just continuing that discussion on dropbox, what you would do is
retrieve the file from dropbox, and then store it with your app (it's just
a file).  The one thing I haven't tried to do is to use persistent custom
properties inside of my apps.  I'm more worried about the user deleting the
app and wiping the data with it, so even though I keep everything locally,
I still want it in the cloud, too.

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 11:16 AM, Bob Sneidar 
wrote:

> iOS has no file system that is accessible by the user. Installed apps are
> compiled to run "in place" and if they need memory for other things the
> memory is sandboxed from other apps. Your app can request permission to
> access another app's data, which that app has to be written to allow, and
> the user has to grant permission when challenged.
>
> You are right, that if Livecode has no functions for this, there is no way
> to do it, unless you can call an xcode api from your Livecode app.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Oct 22, 2016, at 08:51 , William Prothero 
> wrote:
> >
> > Folks:
> > Is it possible to access iCloud Drive on iOS, without going to the
> internet? The data are stored locally on the mobile device, but I know the
> user must approve this access in the mobile settings. It doesn’t sound like
> something LiveCode supports… Am I right?
> >
> > Anybody know how this is done? I know the dropbox sample stack posted a
> while back got its data from the dropbox internet storage system, not the
> storage on the local device.
> >
> > Has anyone done this?
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > William Prothero, Ph.D.
> > University of California, Santa Barbara, Emeritus
> > proth...@earthednet.org
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Store to iCloud?

[Mike Kerner]

Are you referring to the phoenix lib?  The documentation is pretty much in
order.  There is also the mergDropbox plugin that LC distributes, and
there's a Dropbox 2.0 API that is also out there.  We do all of our data
transfer between devices and desktops with dropbox, right now.  That's
across a bunch of apps and a pile of devices.


On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 11:31 AM, Earthednet-wp 
wrote:

> Bob,
> Thanks for the info. Trying to implement this on my own is getting deeper
> into the bowels of Xcode than I want.
>
> I looked at the api for Dropbox and fiddled with it a bit, but
> communicating with these api's is not in my area of expertise. I'd love to
> see some sample code. I looked at the dropbox stack that was distributed a
> year or so ago and it didn't work.
>
> Perhaps the data sync tools that Todd is working on will get me started
> or, better yet, solve my problem.
>
> Best,
> Bill
>
> William Prothero
> http://es.earthednet.org
>
> > On Oct 24, 2016, at 8:17 AM, Bob Sneidar 
> wrote:
> >
> > If you get info on the file or folder, then click the path in the dialog
> (it doesn't look like a path but click it anyway) then copy it, you can
> paste it into a text file and it will paste as the full path.
> >
> > Bob S
> >
> >
> >> On Oct 21, 2016, at 13:15 , William Prothero 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Bob:
> >> My bad. It works if I use:
> >> "/Users/prothero/Library/Mobile Documents/com~apple~CloudDocs” for the
> path.
> >>
> >> It’s weird, because if you go to the folder, you don’t see the path
> using the finder. But, you can get the path if you duplicate the Mobil
> Documents folder, and all of the inside folders appear.
> >>
> >> Thanks again.
> >> Bill
> >>
> >>> On Oct 21, 2016, at 12:25 PM, William Prothero <
> proth...@earthednet.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Bob:
> >>> On my Mac, OS 10.11.6, it looks like the file path is
> >>> /Users//Library/Mobile Documents/ path here>
> >>>
> >>> I don’t see the "com~apple!CloudDocs" folder. Am I missing something?
> >>> Bill
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
>  On Oct 21, 2016, at 7:57 AM, Bob Sneidar 
> wrote:
> 
>  On a Mac it's fairly easy if you are alreacy connecting to iCloud
> Drive. Just write a file to:
> 
>  /Users//Library/Mobile
> Documents/com~apple~CloudDocs/
> 
>  Not sure how to connect to an Icloud drive on Windows, but the
> process would be similar.
> 
>  Bob S
> 
> 
>  On Oct 21, 2016, at 07:50 , Earthednet-wp  > wrote:
> 
>  Folks,
>  I'm wondering if anybody has stored data on Apple's iCloud or iCloud
> Drive. I have an app where I want the use entered data to be persistent
> between upgrades, and accessible between multiple devices, but don't want
> to support a database on my server.
> 
>  I am about to look deeper into this, but if anybody has done this,
> advice would be very much appreciated.
> 
>  Best,
>  Bill
> 
>  William Prothero
>  http://es.earthednet.org
> 
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Re: Store to iCloud?

[Earthednet-wp]

Bob,
Thanks for the info. Trying to implement this on my own is getting deeper into 
the bowels of Xcode than I want.

I looked at the api for Dropbox and fiddled with it a bit, but communicating 
with these api's is not in my area of expertise. I'd love to see some sample 
code. I looked at the dropbox stack that was distributed a year or so ago and 
it didn't work. 

Perhaps the data sync tools that Todd is working on will get me started or, 
better yet, solve my problem.

Best,
Bill

William Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org

> On Oct 24, 2016, at 8:17 AM, Bob Sneidar  wrote:
> 
> If you get info on the file or folder, then click the path in the dialog (it 
> doesn't look like a path but click it anyway) then copy it, you can paste it 
> into a text file and it will paste as the full path. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Oct 21, 2016, at 13:15 , William Prothero  wrote:
>> 
>> Bob:
>> My bad. It works if I use:
>> "/Users/prothero/Library/Mobile Documents/com~apple~CloudDocs” for the path.
>> 
>> It’s weird, because if you go to the folder, you don’t see the path using 
>> the finder. But, you can get the path if you duplicate the Mobil Documents 
>> folder, and all of the inside folders appear.
>> 
>> Thanks again.
>> Bill
>> 
>>> On Oct 21, 2016, at 12:25 PM, William Prothero  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Bob:
>>> On my Mac, OS 10.11.6, it looks like the file path is
>>> /Users//Library/Mobile Documents/>> here>
>>> 
>>> I don’t see the "com~apple!CloudDocs" folder. Am I missing something?
>>> Bill
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Oct 21, 2016, at 7:57 AM, Bob Sneidar  
 wrote:
 
 On a Mac it's fairly easy if you are alreacy connecting to iCloud Drive. 
 Just write a file to:
 
 /Users//Library/Mobile 
 Documents/com~apple~CloudDocs/
 
 Not sure how to connect to an Icloud drive on Windows, but the process 
 would be similar.
 
 Bob S
 
 
 On Oct 21, 2016, at 07:50 , Earthednet-wp 
 > wrote:
 
 Folks,
 I'm wondering if anybody has stored data on Apple's iCloud or iCloud 
 Drive. I have an app where I want the use entered data to be persistent 
 between upgrades, and accessible between multiple devices, but don't want 
 to support a database on my server.
 
 I am about to look deeper into this, but if anybody has done this, advice 
 would be very much appreciated.
 
 Best,
 Bill
 
 William Prothero
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Re: Store to iCloud?

[Bob Sneidar]

If you get info on the file or folder, then click the path in the dialog (it 
doesn't look like a path but click it anyway) then copy it, you can paste it 
into a text file and it will paste as the full path. 

Bob S


> On Oct 21, 2016, at 13:15 , William Prothero  wrote:
> 
> Bob:
> My bad. It works if I use:
> "/Users/prothero/Library/Mobile Documents/com~apple~CloudDocs” for the path.
> 
> It’s weird, because if you go to the folder, you don’t see the path using the 
> finder. But, you can get the path if you duplicate the Mobil Documents 
> folder, and all of the inside folders appear.
> 
> Thanks again.
> Bill
> 
>> On Oct 21, 2016, at 12:25 PM, William Prothero  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Bob:
>> On my Mac, OS 10.11.6, it looks like the file path is
>> /Users//Library/Mobile Documents/
>> 
>> I don’t see the "com~apple!CloudDocs" folder. Am I missing something?
>> Bill
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 21, 2016, at 7:57 AM, Bob Sneidar  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On a Mac it's fairly easy if you are alreacy connecting to iCloud Drive. 
>>> Just write a file to:
>>> 
>>> /Users//Library/Mobile 
>>> Documents/com~apple~CloudDocs/
>>> 
>>> Not sure how to connect to an Icloud drive on Windows, but the process 
>>> would be similar.
>>> 
>>> Bob S
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 21, 2016, at 07:50 , Earthednet-wp 
>>> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Folks,
>>> I'm wondering if anybody has stored data on Apple's iCloud or iCloud Drive. 
>>> I have an app where I want the use entered data to be persistent between 
>>> upgrades, and accessible between multiple devices, but don't want to 
>>> support a database on my server.
>>> 
>>> I am about to look deeper into this, but if anybody has done this, advice 
>>> would be very much appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Bill
>>> 
>>> William Prothero
>>> http://es.earthednet.org
>>> 
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Re: Store to iCloud Drive on iOS?

[Bob Sneidar]

iOS has no file system that is accessible by the user. Installed apps are 
compiled to run "in place" and if they need memory for other things the memory 
is sandboxed from other apps. Your app can request permission to access another 
app's data, which that app has to be written to allow, and the user has to 
grant permission when challenged. 

You are right, that if Livecode has no functions for this, there is no way to 
do it, unless you can call an xcode api from your Livecode app. 

Bob S


> On Oct 22, 2016, at 08:51 , William Prothero  wrote:
> 
> Folks:
> Is it possible to access iCloud Drive on iOS, without going to the internet? 
> The data are stored locally on the mobile device, but I know the user must 
> approve this access in the mobile settings. It doesn’t sound like something 
> LiveCode supports… Am I right?
> 
> Anybody know how this is done? I know the dropbox sample stack posted a while 
> back got its data from the dropbox internet storage system, not the storage 
> on the local device.
> 
> Has anyone done this? 
> 
> Bill
> 
> William Prothero, Ph.D.
> University of California, Santa Barbara, Emeritus
> proth...@earthednet.org
> 
> 
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Store to iCloud Drive on iOS?

[William Prothero]

Folks:
Is it possible to access iCloud Drive on iOS, without going to the internet? 
The data are stored locally on the mobile device, but I know the user must 
approve this access in the mobile settings. It doesn’t sound like something 
LiveCode supports… Am I right?

Anybody know how this is done? I know the dropbox sample stack posted a while 
back got its data from the dropbox internet storage system, not the storage on 
the local device.

Has anyone done this? 

Bill

William Prothero, Ph.D.
University of California, Santa Barbara, Emeritus
proth...@earthednet.org




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Re: Store to iCloud?

[William Prothero]

Bob:
My bad. It works if I use:
"/Users/prothero/Library/Mobile Documents/com~apple~CloudDocs” for the path.

It’s weird, because if you go to the folder, you don’t see the path using the 
finder. But, you can get the path if you duplicate the Mobil Documents folder, 
and all of the inside folders appear.

Thanks again.
Bill

> On Oct 21, 2016, at 12:25 PM, William Prothero  
> wrote:
> 
> Bob:
> On my Mac, OS 10.11.6, it looks like the file path is
> /Users//Library/Mobile Documents/
> 
> I don’t see the "com~apple!CloudDocs" folder. Am I missing something?
> Bill
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 21, 2016, at 7:57 AM, Bob Sneidar  wrote:
>> 
>> On a Mac it's fairly easy if you are alreacy connecting to iCloud Drive. 
>> Just write a file to:
>> 
>> /Users//Library/Mobile 
>> Documents/com~apple~CloudDocs/
>> 
>> Not sure how to connect to an Icloud drive on Windows, but the process would 
>> be similar.
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 21, 2016, at 07:50 , Earthednet-wp 
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> Folks,
>> I'm wondering if anybody has stored data on Apple's iCloud or iCloud Drive. 
>> I have an app where I want the use entered data to be persistent between 
>> upgrades, and accessible between multiple devices, but don't want to support 
>> a database on my server.
>> 
>> I am about to look deeper into this, but if anybody has done this, advice 
>> would be very much appreciated.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Bill
>> 
>> William Prothero
>> http://es.earthednet.org
>> 
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Re: Store to iCloud?

[William Prothero]

Bob:
On my Mac, OS 10.11.6, it looks like the file path is
/Users//Library/Mobile Documents/

I don’t see the "com~apple!CloudDocs" folder. Am I missing something?
Bill



> On Oct 21, 2016, at 7:57 AM, Bob Sneidar  wrote:
> 
> On a Mac it's fairly easy if you are alreacy connecting to iCloud Drive. Just 
> write a file to:
> 
> /Users//Library/Mobile 
> Documents/com~apple~CloudDocs/
> 
> Not sure how to connect to an Icloud drive on Windows, but the process would 
> be similar.
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
> On Oct 21, 2016, at 07:50 , Earthednet-wp 
> > wrote:
> 
> Folks,
> I'm wondering if anybody has stored data on Apple's iCloud or iCloud Drive. I 
> have an app where I want the use entered data to be persistent between 
> upgrades, and accessible between multiple devices, but don't want to support 
> a database on my server.
> 
> I am about to look deeper into this, but if anybody has done this, advice 
> would be very much appreciated.
> 
> Best,
> Bill
> 
> William Prothero
> http://es.earthednet.org
> 
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Re: Store to iCloud?

[Earthednet-wp]

Bob,
Thanks so much! I'll try it. 
Bill

William Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org

> On Oct 21, 2016, at 7:57 AM, Bob Sneidar  wrote:
> 
> On a Mac it's fairly easy if you are alreacy connecting to iCloud Drive. Just 
> write a file to:
> 
> /Users//Library/Mobile 
> Documents/com~apple~CloudDocs/
> 
> Not sure how to connect to an Icloud drive on Windows, but the process would 
> be similar.
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
> On Oct 21, 2016, at 07:50 , Earthednet-wp 
> > wrote:
> 
> Folks,
> I'm wondering if anybody has stored data on Apple's iCloud or iCloud Drive. I 
> have an app where I want the use entered data to be persistent between 
> upgrades, and accessible between multiple devices, but don't want to support 
> a database on my server.
> 
> I am about to look deeper into this, but if anybody has done this, advice 
> would be very much appreciated.
> 
> Best,
> Bill
> 
> William Prothero
> http://es.earthednet.org
> 
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Re: Store to iCloud?

[Bob Sneidar]

On a Mac it's fairly easy if you are alreacy connecting to iCloud Drive. Just 
write a file to:

/Users//Library/Mobile Documents/com~apple~CloudDocs/

Not sure how to connect to an Icloud drive on Windows, but the process would be 
similar.

Bob S


On Oct 21, 2016, at 07:50 , Earthednet-wp 
> wrote:

Folks,
I'm wondering if anybody has stored data on Apple's iCloud or iCloud Drive. I 
have an app where I want the use entered data to be persistent between 
upgrades, and accessible between multiple devices, but don't want to support a 
database on my server.

I am about to look deeper into this, but if anybody has done this, advice would 
be very much appreciated.

Best,
Bill

William Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org

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Store to iCloud?

[Earthednet-wp]

Folks,
I'm wondering if anybody has stored data on Apple's iCloud or iCloud Drive. I 
have an app where I want the use entered data to be persistent between 
upgrades, and accessible between multiple devices, but don't want to support a 
database on my server. 

I am about to look deeper into this, but if anybody has done this, advice would 
be very much appreciated.

Best,
Bill

William Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org

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