Some of you may have had the interest to read an article I wrote which
can be found at: http://www.bobsite.org/brazil/ .
Early in the article, there is a classical design from Gestalt
Psychology (the psychology of perception) that can be seen either as a
nice young woman or as an ugly old
Chipp - would it not be the best for stability to have the existing
release cyle as stable, and those wishing to live on the bleeding edge
(and get faster bug fixes and to participate in experimental features) to
opt in for the sort of release cycle that others are requesting?
This is what I
Scott writes:-
Two thumbs up for commercial solutions and not some half baked, half whacked,
half completed and half bug tested open source solution that the author
may or may not get back to finishing one of these days... maybe...if I feel
like it, which phase is the moon in, who won the world
1. I should have said that care in both reading AND WRITING is necessary.
2. For an ugly old woman interpretation of what I said, the whole
register of what I was saying needs to be changed: i.e. what is really a
proposal for the future needs to be misinterpreted as a description of
the
Before this Open Source versus Commercial 'spat' goes
any further let me make a few points:
1. Scott Kane has demonstrated his unshakeable
conviction many times that Open Source is a waste of
time.
Scott is perfectly entitled to hold that point of
view; although, personally, I think he is wrong.
On 10/06/07, Peter Alcibiades [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This attitude worries me more than anything that has come out of the Rev
community since I started with Rev. People really do not seem to
understand
what the nature of the open source competition is. Its baffling, this
degree
of
From: Peter Alcibiades [EMAIL PROTECTED]
This attitude worries me more than anything that has come out of the Rev
community since I started with Rev. People really do not seem to
understand
what the nature of the open source competition is. Its baffling, this
degree of ignorance, and its
From: David Bovill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I for one feel like stopping this thread about open source. I am sure many
others do to. Personally, I feel it would be better to speak through
action.
I feel bad about not having published stuff to this community in the past,
and was righty critised by
From: Richmond Mathewson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
1. Scott Kane has demonstrated his unshakeable conviction many times that
Open Source is a waste of time.
Actually - I have no problem with open source as such. I only believe that
it is a choise for the developer and no developer (big or small)
On 10 Jun 2007, at 9:40, Bob Warren wrote:
Sorry, I realize this is not the place to discuss (even relevant)
psychology really, but I was disappointed by what happened.
Bob
I wouldn't be. You have evolved/moved forward. That's a gain in my
books.
Cheers,
Luis.
From: Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
You're welcome to do it at revJournal.com if you like. I can set up your
own FTP account and you can do whatever you like in that section.
Replied off list
Scott Kane
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Having read the latest Mathewson v. Kane mini-rant, I thought it was
about time somebody long-in-the-tooth, white-haired and Gandalf-like
synthesised a few things. As a persistent, silent reader for many
years on this list, I assume I can be allowed one message of
(positively) negative
Hi,
I have a main stack from which I can create a new stack (not a
substack).
I created a modal styled stack where the user can enter a name and a
forename in two fields.
so that the name of the new stack could be set to « name forename ».
The main part of the handlers is in the script of a
On 10 Jun 2007, at 12:35, Mike Harland wrote:
Allow people to produce Rev advice sites and repository sites or to
form non-commercial user groups
I must be missing something somewhere, because there's a pretty
substantial number of Rev repositories on the web... ;-)
Ian
You say that the mainstack appears, but not in what circumstances. Is
it on startup of an application, or on openstack? Maybe it's just when
you press a button on a third, unmentioned stack?
Also, do you create the name forename stack, or do you just rename it
or setting of the label?
Said
I'm on a Power PC G4 with Mac OS 10.4.9. Everything worked fine after
I downloaded 2.8.1 (build 470). As recommended, I did a full install.
No problem for about ten days.
Then I happened to download BigGanesh. I tried to take a look at
the stack and Rev crashed (no cause-effect
Mike Harland wrote:
Rev continues to contemplate its own navel with all
its talk of
'pros' on this list, while consistently looking down
its nose at the
so-called hobbyist, newby or daft-headed academic
extremely well-put. And, bye-the-bye, your posting
title expresses the situation to a
Tom,
Thank for a great tutorial on how to get paypal to work with rev. I am
attempting to get it working with my new app, but looking over the files you
have posted the
http://www.discamus.com/nunc/how/myLibUrl.rev
returns a file not found, and you say you need this to POST, what is in this
That should get Ruslan to reply :)
Keywords are in a simple database link table and i want to do a search for
handlers based on 10 or so keywords selected by the user or automatically
selected by the software. Now i want to return a list of hits in descending
ranking depending on how many
Le 10 juin 07 à 14:54, Björnke von Gierke a écrit :
You say that the mainstack appears, but not in what circumstances.
Is it on startup of an application, or on openstack? Maybe it's
just when you press a button on a third, unmentioned stack?
Also, do you create the name forename stack, or
building a standalone with Rev 2.8.1 on my Mac 10.3.9
My apps are not displaying the icon I've assigned to themit worked before.
Anyone else have this problem?
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On 10/6/07 4:13 PM, David Bovill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi David,
NB - Ruslan what do you use to monitor emails - have you got a Valentina
database searching for key words - or do you just use GMail :)
I use MS Entourage for MAC, and have setup for each list a rule,
So if letter contains
On 10/6/07 4:13 PM, David Bovill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi David,
That should get Ruslan to reply :)
Keywords are in a simple database link table and i want to do a search for
handlers based on 10 or so keywords selected by the user or automatically
selected by the software. Now i want
Valentina Valentina Valentina Valentina Valentina
On 10/06/07, Ruslan Zasukhin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I use MS Entourage for MAC, and have setup for each list a rule,
So if letter contains e.g. word Valentina it play sounds
Ah - so what sounds do you hear - maybe it would sound nicer if
On 10/06/07, Ruslan Zasukhin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So I guess I do an or SQL search for all these keywords, and then loop
through them checking hits. Or do I do AND searches, and iterate
replacing
the AND with OR to widen the search?
1) Actually it is not clear:
your result should
I used to use entourage on mac too for all my emails but I have had to
send a lot of it to gmail now because entourage begins to bog down to
nearly terminal slowness when it has a lot of email archived in
various folders.
On 6/10/07, David Bovill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Valentina Valentina
On 10/6/07 4:57 PM, David Bovill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So I guess I do an or SQL search for all these keywords, and then loop
through them checking hits. Or do I do AND searches, and iterate
replacing
the AND with OR to widen the search?
1) Actually it is not clear:
your result
Hi folks
Does anyone know if there exists a custom color chooser or wheel made in
revolution that I can build on?
my version is Rev. 2.7.4
Thanks
Jan
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Hi Jan,
Le 10 juin 07 à 17:30, Jan Sælid a écrit :
Does anyone know if there exists a custom color chooser or wheel
made in revolution that I can build on?
Answer color does not suits you needs?
What do you want to add to OS color choosers?
Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
On 6/10/07, David Bovill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Chipp - would it not be the best for stability to have the existing
release cyle as stable, and those wishing to live on the bleeding edge
(and get faster bug fixes and to participate in experimental features) to
opt in for the sort of release
Mike et al.
I am not an investor. I produce open source apps and closed source
apps in Rev. I produce them in Macs and deliver in windows and linux
with success. And yes, I build web applications in Rev.
I am not biased. Some stuff could be made simpler or easier, like the
FFI and being able to
On 6/10/07, Scott Kane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Meanwhile, Python (and all the other open source alternatives) will be
moving on. Python is and will remain professionally documented, with
half
a dozen
excellent tutorial and reference texts, electronic and paper. Hetland's
book, for
Chipp wrote:
Updating Rev each time a bug fix is made, could be a dicey proposition, as
typcially after a bug is fixed, there still should be unit testing, then
more inside testing, then beta testing, then rc testing, etc. to make sure
fixing the bug didn't break other stuff. I think Rev has
Andre,
You have just spoken for the silent majority!
Joe Wilkins
On Jun 10, 2007, at 9:34 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:
Mike et al.
snip
I don't understand what are you guys in need of.
andre
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Tom,
Thank for a great tutorial on how to get paypal to work with rev. I am
attempting to get it working with my new app, but looking over the files you
have posted the
http://www.discamus.com/nunc/how/myLibUrl.rev
returns a file not found, and you say you need this to POST, what is in this
I'd like to make it perfectly clear that I do not oppose in any way
people making code available for free (or whole applications or even
programming languages) if the owner wishes to do that. I do oppose
the doctrine that all code should be open and free.
So it looks like we've hit an
Chipp:
What I didn't mention about Ubuntu's procedure is the following. It
after release they find significant bugs, they correct them in a new
bugfix version, submitted to the normal procedures of global testing.
However, it is the exception rather than the rule. This is NOT what I
From: Ken Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED]
So it looks like we've hit an agree to disagree moment among those
that have provided input on this thread, so let's move on or take it
off list, IMHO.
A great man once said: There are two kinds of people in this world:
those that divide things into two groups,
As a hobbyist/daft-headed academic, I don't understand this remark.
When Metacard was $1,000 a license and I complained to Rev that
hobbyist/academics couldn't afford/wouldn't pay $1,000 a license, they
came out with a series of reasonably-priced feature-reduced versions to
meet the
n 10 Jun 2007, at 9:40, Bob Warren wrote:
Sorry, I realize this is not the place to discuss (even relevant)
psychology really, but I was disappointed by what happened.
Bob
Luis wrote:
I wouldn't be. You have evolved/moved forward. That's a gain in my
books.
Cheers,
Luis.
Mike Harland wrote:
Having read the latest Mathewson v. Kane mini-rant, I thought it was
about time somebody long-in-the-tooth, white-haired and Gandalf-like
synthesised a few things. As a persistent, silent reader for many
years on this list, I assume I can be allowed one message of
(Was in Re: Imagine a world in which HyperCard had been open sourced 20
years ago?)
David, Ken, Chipp, Jacque et al,
As a mature product, the Scripter's Scrapbook is certainly an option for a
front-end repository given its flexibility to store hard-wired content (in the
form of Entries
Andre wrote:
I don't understand what are you guys in need of.
-
Andre:
Brazil's lemma is Order and Progress I believe?
Of course, I am just speaking for myself.
Regards,
Bob
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Bob:
we have order and we have progress... runrev is on a nice, orderly
position in the 2.8.x series and have a clear roadmap to progress...
again, what do you want from open source that can't be achieved by
closed source?
Andre
On 6/10/07, Bob Warren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Andre wrote:
I
At 4:26 PM +0300 6/10/2007, Ruslan Zasukhin wrote:
On 10/6/07 4:13 PM, David Bovill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
NB - Ruslan what do you use to monitor emails - have you got a Valentina
database searching for key words - or do you just use GMail :)
I use MS Entourage for MAC, and have setup for
or some mispelled valentine's day spam during the next week.. :D
On 6/10/07, Jeanne A. E. DeVoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 4:26 PM +0300 6/10/2007, Ruslan Zasukhin wrote:
On 10/6/07 4:13 PM, David Bovill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
NB - Ruslan what do you use to monitor emails - have you got a
This subject keeps coming up..ad infinitum, with some saying the Pros
(defined as people who make their living writing Rev apps) are being smug
and condescending to Hobbyists, as well as anti-this and anti-that.
Most of you know, I'm in the Pro camp. I am able to pay my mortgage,
electricity and
Chipp Walters wrote:
A person who shouts from the ground instructions on how best to climb
a tree, IMO, is less vested in not falling than a person at the top
of the tree.
This is wy off-topic, but has anyone here read this book?:
The Wild Trees: A Story of Passion and Daring
Andre Garzia wrote perhaps the most cogent statement of all threads on
open source and quality concerns in the history of this list:
If you guys believe that open source would squash bugs, then why
don't you gather a group and build regression tests.
A lot of folks here share a good many
Hey,
For some reason, a new app created with Revolution doesn't show its icon
immediately. You can try moving it to a folder where it has never existed
before, or even restarting your computer for Finder to display the
application's proper icon, but I found the quickest way is to zip up the
Hiya,
Have you tried deleting the 'Runtime Revolution' folder in the Users
Library/Application Support/ ?
Cheers,
Luis.
On 10 Jun 2007, at 13:58, Friedrich F. Grohmann wrote:
I'm on a Power PC G4 with Mac OS 10.4.9. Everything worked fine
after I downloaded 2.8.1 (build 470). As
On 6/11/07, Chipp Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This subject keeps coming up..ad infinitum, with some saying the Pros and
condescending to Hobbyists, as well as anti-this and anti-that.
Most of you know, I'm in the Pro camp.
For those how don't know I'm firmly in the Hobbiest camp and I
So my conclusion: Rev must have reached an unprecedented level of stability
(thanks Bill) because I've never noticed so many wasting so much time
writing so much about so little for so long. I think the current OT to 'how
do you do that in Rev posts' is about 15 to 1.
You know Kay, this
On 6/11/07, Andre Garzia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You know Kay, this piece in you post actually made me laugh,
Good, as English isn't my first language I get worried that people wont get
the humour.
I am frustrated because my network is going down
every two minutes and I can't work,
Hmm. I just was checking out with Garage band and
discovered there is no export to MIDI.
Anyone know of any good MIDI music generators? it would be nice
if it had musical typing keyboard and a collection of preset sounds
like Garage band has... to bad, you can't export Garage band to MIDI.
One
On 6/10/07, Kay C Lan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So my conclusion: Rev must have reached an unprecedented level of stability
(thanks Bill) because I've never noticed so many wasting so much time
writing so much about so little for so long. I think the current OT to
'how
do you do that in Rev
On Jun 8, 2007, at 11:13 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
Devin Asay wrote:
Jacque,
You said the user has QT Pro, right? That means she can save
movies from the QT player. Is it possible that she has opened and
saved the movies after having played them to the end? So that the
currentTime is in
Thomas McCarthy wrote:
building a standalone with Rev 2.8.1 on my Mac 10.3.9
My apps are not displaying the icon I've assigned to themit worked before.
Anyone else have this problem?
All the time, it's a Mac OS X Finder glitch. Here are some things I've
tried. All of them work sometimes,
On 6/11/07, Sivakatirswami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
One would have thought this would be an option for software instrument
only tracks... But all I cab find is Export to disc as .m4a
Not the answer you are looking for, but just a slight correction. As a work
around you can export to iTunes
building a standalone with Rev 2.8.1 on my Mac 10.3.9
My apps are not displaying the icon I've assigned to themit worked before.
Anyone else have this problem?
All the time, it's a Mac OS X Finder glitch. Here are some things I've
tried. All of them work sometimes, but only a couple of
On 11 Jun 2007, at 07:14, Luis wrote:
Have you tried deleting the 'Runtime Revolution' folder in the
Users Library/Application Support/ ?
Thank you so much for the inspiration. It wasn't the folder you
indicated but the preferences. I threw them out and now everything
seems to work
Out of curiosity, shouldn't the old preferences work with new
versions? Unless the new version changes the order, nature or
quantity of preferences, I would think so. In which case, shouldn't
we announce with the release of a new version that such and such has
been changed, necessitating
How can I find which character of a line the
line break is used when a line wraps.
I know it can be done with various math
calculations by setting the dontwrap to
false and comparing it with the width of
the field but it is a bad idea visually due
to if the lockscreen is true it still shows the
On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 22:30:54 -0700, -= JB =- wrote:
How can I find which character of a line the
line break is used when a line wraps.
I know it can be done with various math
calculations by setting the dontwrap to
false and comparing it with the width of
the field but it is a bad idea
On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 22:05:25 -0500, J. Landman Gay wrote:
4. In a terminal window, or in a Rev shell command, run a touch
command. This works (so far) all the time.
I'm using Path Finder instead of Finder, and the context menu has a
Touch command that I use just for this purpose. I highly
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