Russell,
Jerry put it well.
With Rev you can have the best of both worlds:
1. You can build simple databases simply - using stacks and cards.
2. You can build large, fast databases - differently.
In either case you have the benefit of a graphic UI (the card).
What you have learned about keeping
Gregory,
There are three big benefits from using the one-card approach with Rev.
The programs will run faster.
The stacks will be smaller.
It will be easier to build menus.
BTW, I have found repeat for each line whichLine works faster than
lineOffset and more reliable than filter with/without.
Joe,
We have had Rev stacks with well over 10,000 cards.
They open, close, and save much more slowly than the same data in a HyperCard
stack with the same cards. They also require much more memory than the
equivalent HC stacks.
The speed and memory usage problems seem to be exponential (the more
Joe,
In my experience, finding in Rev. is really quite fast - plenty fast for 2400
records - of course HC's fast find really spoils you. You can convert your
most challenging stack to Rev. - by just opening it in Rev. and saving it.
Rev's
built-in HC to Rev. converter is fantastic! Give it a
Joe,
I was not saying a port from HC to Rev is easy. A year ago we completed
porting a business system consisting of 22 databases, hundreds of reports, and
dozens of auxiliary programs - it took over five years!
But, you can get a quick idea of how your stacks will perform by opening them
in
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Cal,
If I've done the math right, a 32767 pin board is over 10 meters square.
Even if it could be made larger, there would be a lot of scrolling on even
the largest monitor available today.
I'm not sure what your goal is but there may be other ways of achieving it.
Perhaps you could store each
Dave,
You could put the file in a variable, then replace cr with lf (or vice
versa). You probably want to use the ASCII number of cr and lf to be safe.
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Check the default stack property in the docs. Should do what you need.
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Instead of the application browser, try the Rev Navigator. Go to the
Development menu, select Plugins, then choose revNavigator. I've found it
indispensable for finding hidden things, and selecting components of groups.
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Perhaps, Stephen.
But I've long thought it would be good to simply remove both the CD and the
HD. Upgrade the Mini to FW 800 and let the user pick the exact combination of
external drives they need. Almost completely modular! I call this the
anti-iMac theory ;-) I'm sure Apple wants no part of
Mark,
There could be several reasons why the breakpoint is being ignored. Without
seeing the script it is hard to tell, but a common one is setting the
breakpoint inside a conditional which is not called. In other words you have an
IF,
Then statement; you set the breakpoint inside the Then
Roger,
I like it a lot!
Thank you.
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Judy,
I remember you telling me about Katheryn at one of the conferences.
I agree that (despite possible allegations of age discrimination) 600 year
old people should not vote (so far the petition seems to be honest and I like
that). Having studied her for about 30 years, you may have lived her
Peter,
No one has said that a Mini is for everyone.
But a Mini is the least expensive way to run OS X on a new computer,
something that is not at all possible with a PIII. It has the additional
advantage for
people developing on Rev that it will also run Windows and UNIX - so it is a
nice test
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Rob,
Try it after commenting out the line:
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I think you will be surprised how much
My two cents worth: We tried for years to save Hypercard, but Apple
wouldn't budge. Now we have revolution, which isn't better on all accounts,
but in
some ways it's lots better. Maybe letting the Mini drop will enable Apple to
bring out another model, not better in all accounts, but, in
Mick,
To whom was your letter addressed?
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Judy (Katheryn),
Children, probably OK.
Dog votes, phantom votes, duplicate votes, definitely not OK.
As of this morning, only 8877 votes to go...
When the time comes that we all need a 30 monitor just to see the opening
splash screen in MS Word, those monitors will be $250 or less. I hope.
Have
Dan,
David provided a very good, and very concise, explanation.
I'd only add two things:
1. If you go invisible to a stack, that stack will remain invisible when it
is closed. So the next time you go to it, it is invisible - but open. Drove me
crazy until I realized what was happening.
2. It is
Lynn,
Who will be ?
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Judy,
Sorry for the misapprobation and thanks for the vote.
I suspect that, the way things are going, secretaries really will need 30
monitors in the (not to distant) future. ;-)
When/if the time comes, I hope we don't have to buy Mac Pros to power them.
Can you get nine more votes for Save the
Chipp,
I too have had issues with Apple hardware (most notably, replacing the
screen on this 17 laptop). But in the last two months I updated three
companies
who were still using all of the hardware I installed for them a decade ago.
Another customer refuses to give up his 18 year old
WJM,
1) Regarding the new Mini:
MacOSRumors said there would be another edition of the Mini. Their track
record for prediction has not been good. Their web site link to more info on
this
new computer has been broken for over a week.
Apple Insider said that the Mini would be dropped. AIs track
Bill,
For $1300 you could have most of the Macbook features and a better keyboard,
a mouse, and a much larger monitor. And then, when you decided to upgrade, you
could get the then current Mini for $599 (hopefully by then $499) - not
another $1300 - and keep your good keyboard, mouse and
Mark,
One more thing.
I forgot to mention typefaces (which everyone calls fonts). Best to use a
standard typeface which contains all of the unique characters in multiple
languages - otherwise you may have to switch typefaces even for different Roman
languages. Of course you WILL have to switch
Mark,
Both Helvetica (possibly the most used San-serif in the world) and Arial (the
Microsoft version of Helvetica - as Geneva was Apple's version) should work
fine.
I was afraid you might use some eccentric typeface that lacked umlauts, etc.
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Some of you may not be aware of the rumor that Apple plans to discontinue the
Mac Mini.
Although this is obviously just a rumor and off topic, I thought it worth
mentioning because there are so many Mac users on this list.
The Mini is a great computer for running Rev.: its greatest
Thanks Scott.
Spread the word, maybe we can make a difference on this one.
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Joe,
Steven beat me to the target disk suggestion. Works great. Very fast.
For smaller amounts of data a thumb drive works great - just remember to plug
it into the computer not the USB connections on the keyboard, they are 1.1
not 2.0 - so only 1/5 th as fast.
And thank you for your vote. I see
Talk about an astounding response!
In about one hour we've added over 120 names to the petition.
Now if every current signer would get nine more signatures...
If that doesn't do it, at least we tried.
Thanks again to all of you who have voted.
www.petitiononline.com/macminsa/petition.html
Paul
Sarah,
You're certainly right about the Mini's being great servers - especially for
small businesses.
Here's what we do:
We use a FW, six-port hub.
We put the OS on one external FW HD.
We put the databases on one or more other external FW HDs.
If anything happens to the Mini, just plug in another
Mark,
One thing often overlooked when preparing a stack for localization is to have
extra-wide label fields. English is a relative compact language and if you
have not created wide enough label fields you'll soon find that translated
labels don't fit.
As to the question:
Custom properties would
Chipp,
According to a current rumor on Apple Insider, the next gen iPhone will have
the keyboard in landscape mode (instead of portrait). Should make more finger
room. Glad you waited?
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The number of chars that can be displayed per line is over 60,000. The number
of chars that a line can contain appears to be unlimited (we have situations
where they exceed 100,000).
I don't know of a good workaround for the display limit.
Paul Looney
Gregory,
One of the biggest benefits of using revNavigator to reposition layered
objects is that you can see the groups and subgroups - and drag an
object to the exact level you need. This is especially helpful for
building background groups that appear on all cards.
With other methods, it is
Hi Derek,
Congratualtions.
When the time comes, don't skimp on RAM.
Some time ago one of my customers got an Intel 1.8 Ghz iMac with one
Gig of RAM. This is about the same clock speed as my 1.67 Ghz
PowerBook, also with one Gig of RAM - but it did everything about twice
as fast.
Shortly after
Andre, Bill, Eric,
Another way to do this (move a new field into a group of buttons) is to
1. open revNavigator (in the Plugins list in the Development menu)
2. select the card to be edited
3. in the list of card objects, the new field will appear at the bottom
4. simply grab the field and drag
Perhaps:
1. HyperTalk is never converted from an interpreted language to a
compiled one - no one wants to commit the resources
2. Five different developers rewrite the HC engine to support five
different ways of adding color
3. Businesses refuse to touch HC because there are 20 different
.. another vote for 'true' menus...
Ken,
Amen.
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Ken,
I originally used select empty - with 2.7.2. It created some problems
(such as deselecting text) but mostly it worked.
But it broke copy and paste in 2.8.1.
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Michael, Ken, Jacque,
In my original post I said I'd already used select empty.
It worked under 2.7.2 from July of last year.
When we made a new standalone (from the same original Rev stack) using
2.8.1, copy and paste ceased to work.
There may be something in my code that affects this (code was
Jacque,
I've not used the Command C shortcut in Rev for a long time - because
it didn't work reliably. The problem appeared to show up as soon as I
selected Copy on the menu - I don't think the selection even made it to
the clipboard. Sorry I haven't had time to investigate more thoroughly.
As
Jacque,
You are certainly keeping programmer hours - it's late even out here
in LA.
I had tried the focus trick and, like you, discovered a lot of things
focused on return the not valid control error (I got it with
graphics, backgrounds, etc.)
The problem with confining the script to buttons
Jacque,
Thank you, again, for your help last night. I was about to give up on this
when your email arrived. It inspired me to try a little harder (like all night,
all morning, and most of the afternoon). I believe I now have a solution to
closing fields on OS X without moving to other fields.
I need to set a flag in on a card when the contents of any of the
fields on that card change.
This almost works:
on closeField
setTheFlag
end closeField
The problem occurs when the user clicks a button, or uses the menu to
leave the card. On OS X the closeField command is not sent when
Jacque,
Thanks for your (very prompt) response.
Unfortunately it does matter in this situation. setting the flag for
unchanged fields will create unnecessary network traffic.
We need something that will not send the closeField unless the field
has changed.
Another approach would be to defocus
Michael,
Thanks for you suggestion but select empty was actually my first
attempt. It worked in version 2.7.2.
In 2.8.1 it prevents copying and pasting. I presume the selection is
lost between the time it is copied and the time it is pasted.
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Chipp,
We had to make the OS 9/OS X decision on the business system we sell. We
estimate there are about 500 OS 9 computers still in use by our customers. But
we
decided to support OS X only with the new version. The thought was: those who
are satisfied with the old OS are satisfied with the
Joe,
All Macs shipped since 1998 can run OS X.
All Macs shipped since the installation of Intel CPUs can only run OS X.
OS 9 (a good friend of mine) is dead.
People who have not upgraded can not expect to get modern software for their
OS 9 systemed computers - from you or anyone else. As for a
Joe,
I found the transparency annoying as well.
But Apple has toned it down. I'm running 10.4.9 and all of my windows are
appropriately solid.
I liked OS 7 and was disappointed when the initial OS 8 lacked some of the OS
7 features. The original OS 9 did not work as well as OS 8.6 (especially
Scott,
Ask Phil Davis - before he goes on vacation.
Paul Looney
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Hello List:
I'm wondering if anyone has any experience retrieving (what I believe
I agree.
External drives are very inexpensive now.
If you are running OS X you can even boot from an external drive.
You can buy a six-port Firewire hub for about $50 or daisy-chain over
60 drives.
When I install servers for small businesses I put the OS on an external
drive. That way, if the
Jim,
I use a Firelite and Superduper to backup my PowerBook, OS 10.4.9, and
I CAN boot from the Firelite (just retested to be sure - am writing
this with the laptop powered by the OS on the Firelite).
Richard,
It appears that the 7200 rpm Firelite is not sold anymore.
Paul Looney
Jacque, Sarah,
I've found that, even at 100 Meg., Rev. handles large stacks more
slowly than HC, especially opening, closing, and saving (as you would
expect).
We do an import in HC that moves data on cards in an archive to a newer
stack. Moving 80,000 records in HC takes about an hour. The
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Chipp,
They called him Jules, but wasn't that Kevin?
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With textSize it's either automatic or manual.
To make manual adjustments:
First set choose the textFont and textSize from the Text Formatting
Palette
Second choose the textHeight from the Basic Properties Palette
ANY change to the first palette will change the textHeight to Rev's
default (not
Phil,
LCDs got a bad reputation for speed ten years ago. They are much
improved now. For instance modern LCD TVs are fast enough to display
action scenes without blur. To see how much they have improved just
move your mouse around the screen; you probably won't see any
submarining at all.
Stephen,
I've stayed at a lot of Vegas hotels over the years (it is on the way
to and from customers in Colorado). One of my favorites is Main Street
Station (in the Downtown, off the Strip). You can enter the lobby from
the parking structure and take an elevator to your room without
entering
Dave,
I've used Geoff Canyon's Rev Navigator for layering all objects
(including groups) for years. It has worked well for me (and I use it a
lot) from version 2.2 through 2.7.2 (which I'm using now).
Would you define the issue more specifically?
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Best wishes, I'm sure you will do well!
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Hi Folks,
I've been silent but is just because I am busy, I am pleased to
Len,
If it is taking 3 seconds now, processing from a variable should take
(far) less than one second. If that is so, then you will not need to
worry about covering the hole.
I do second Richard's suggestion about moving from XML; it is really
slow, takes more memory for code, takes more
Richard,
I'll be out of town the evening of the RUG meeting, otherwise would be there
as always.
Could you give me some more specifics on your last statement, like the
traditional what and when. Thank you.
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Andre,
The fact that the computer will not boot from other drives is a good thing.
It indicates that the problem is probably on the board not the HD.
I trust you've tried removing the HD from the problem computer to see if it
works in another.
If it IS the HD, then the less tinkering the better.
I believe the GPS is just one of the phone protocols, used by Cingular,
Vodaphone and most others worldwide. It is not the same as a Global Positioning
System. For example, my Cingular Motorola Razr uses a GPS chip but does no
mapping or locating.
However, it's certainly conceivable that such a
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Walton,
I did not vote for it because it seems to have been fixed. I had the problems
constantly with OS X. Seems same as with you: click on the Table panel in the
I converted some HC stacks on Tuesday using Rev 2.7.2. What error messages
are you getting?
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Steve,
I don't know if this has been mentioned:
Rev opens, manipulates, and saves stacks with a lot of cards slowly.
We were updating one large stack that seemed to hang each time. It was
a stack imported from HyperCard where the same update took about half
an hour. The update consisted of
Shari,
You can change some parameters of a button even while using the look and feel
of the native OS. For instance you can change the colors of the fill, text,
etc.
So, while you cannot set the look and feel of a specific button to another
native OS, you may be able to customize the button
Steve,
How about having a stack with one card for each brand (that is to say, one of
each card that looks different from the rest)? Have this small stack open on
startup. Link each card to the database for that brand (or whatever determines
unique cards). As the user opens each card it is
Eric, Scott,
It appears that the 65536 characters per line is a display limit. We
have been able to store much longer lines in custom properties, we just
can't display them, as lines, in a field.
For instance it is possible to store all of the data on a card as a
single line in a custom
Richard,
For what it's worth, I've never liked double decimals or alphas in
build numbers; I like the build numbers to be numbers.
What I use is x.yyzzz. X is the version, the two ys are minor
versions and the three zs are internal build numbers. For example Rev
2.07004. This allows infinite
10.3.9 followed by 10.3.10? Not 10.3.9.1? Not 10.4.0? Not 10.3.91?
How much easier to have 10.03009 followed by 10.03010.
Or if it is a more significant update: 10.04000.
One of the biggest advantages of the point 5 system is the ability to
run the same sequence for builds and customer
Richard,
If you select different objects while Rev's Property palette is open, the
contents of the palette switch to reflect the currently selected object. Hence
one palette.
But if you use Geoff Canyon's Navigator, you can open a different Rev
Property palette for each object selected -
Luis,
There are very few people who have been as critical of Rev, the company, and
Rev, the product, as I have been over the past half decade. I'd like to
believe all of that criticism has been, at best, constructive or, at least,
civil.
Your criticism is neither.
Jacque's efforts to the cause
Chipp,
One of the options on AltCleanStack is
clear cREVGeometry
What is this?
Thanks,
Paul Looney
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OK Dave,
How about bug #66, from 2003?
Or 1619, from 2004, which already has 108 votes - and is still listed as
unconfirmed?
I chose these because
1. They affect a lot of users
2. They are old - and past due for fixing
3. Their resolution would make the Rev experience significantly better
4.
Richard, Jerry, Chipp, Jacque, Ken, Jeanne, Dave, Phil, et. al.,
Should bug #3937 be combined with bug #1081?
It has been so long, I'd forgotten about it.
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Richard,
The documentation states that delete stack will actually delete the stack
if applied to a sub stack - but does not actually delete the stack if applied
to a main stack - this seems to be true.
I'm not sure if the delete stack file command is doing anything.
PL
Chipp,
If you delete the stack, do you need to close it?
In other words, does
go
read
delete
suffice?
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Richard,
I voted for bug 3932 - but I'm not optimistic.
I voted for bug 1072 as well - ages ago - and nothing happened.
Lots of votes - over lots of years - little action.
Bugzilla seems to be a black hole into which votes go and out of which
nothing comes.
Paul Looney
Mark,
If you are using OS X you'll find that the day going onto daylight savings
time has 25 hours worth of seconds; and the day coming off DST has 23 hours
worth of seconds.
It is safer and easier to use dateItems (add 1 to item 3 of the dateItems).
Paul Looney
How does one get the serial number of a U3 thumb drive?
I'd like to have a stack check to be sure it is on a specific U3 devise
before opening.
Thanks in advance.
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Thanks Phil (and Malte, and Chipp for asking the original question).
Next question ... how does one retrieve this serial number?
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93 and counting.
PL
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Paul,
88 votes now.
I voted for it long ago.
This bug is over two years old and still listed as unconfirmed. It
has
83
Sarah,
I voted for it long ago.
This bug is over two years old and still listed as unconfirmed. It
has 83 votes.
Little wonder so many people refuse to waste time with bugzilla.
I wish the Rev team would get serious about bugs in general and
printing in particular. Doesn't look like either is
Steve,
I would not recommend using anything older than 2.6.1 - the current
version is 2.7.3
Paul Looney
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Does anyone have any preliminary impressions
Another success story:
One of our customers recently had a corrupted stack in our old
HyperCard-based business system. It was a 5454 error in his orders archive
stack. He had
over six thousand records (10 meg.) and thought it was being backed up
properly. All gone.
Historically we've had about
Andrew,
In my experience, this problem appears when trying to add menus to a stack
that already has cards. Putting the menu group inside the stack background
group
does NOT help - actually makes it worse. If possible, create a new single
card stack, build your menus, and import the other
Hi Chris,
Madness is a good term for this behavior!
The problem appears when you try to add menus to an existing multicard
stack on OS X. If you start with a singlecard stack and create your
menus before adding cards there is no problem. I know!!!
You can resize the stack in an open card
David,
Half a world away when Revolution programmers gather, they still
speak of Transcript in the present tense!
Paul Looney
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from Wigan.
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You can be more specific with more knowledgeable people.
When I travel overseas and people ask where I'm from, I say The
United States. When people ask in the US, I say California. If they
live on the west coast, I'll probably say Los Angeles. If they live
in California, I'll just say LA. If
Why not just call it Rev (many of us do so anyway)?
It is short.
It is a word, a verb; you rev an engine to make it go faster (perfect
name for the fastest programming language).
It would google well.
Transcript could become Revscript and we'd all live happily ever
after.
Paul Looney
Chipp,
Thanks for the kind words.
I'm always gratified when I hear folks implement the suggestions.
Dan and I had a short talk after the conference about me giving a full
session to disseminate similar marketing morsels. We both concluded
that those who might benefit most would probably not
Richard,
No clue, but I've noticed the same problem.
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Jim,
For your use, with mixed platforms, Enterprise is probably the best bet.
Paul Looney
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Jim,
Richard, Richard, Richard,
Obviously you know nothing about marketing.
What the Rev. team has done is take Studio, remove the standalone
builder, add a bunch of exclusive templates (not even available on the
ultra premium Rev Enterprise), and reduce the price by $200.
If you can't see the
Dan, Chipp,
Thank you, well done, worth far more than the fee.
The conference is not only a great place to get-together and share
thoughts, experience and insight; it is also a great investment:
After hearing Kevin's outline of the Rev road map, I bought five Studio
licenses, renewed my
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