Re: Develop on Windows or Mac?

2003-11-06 Thread Graham Samuel
I need to deploy my apps on Mac (pre- and post-OSX) and on PC. I also work in two locations, with the most suitable (fastest, etc) development machine being a Mac in one location and a PC in the other. So I have to keep switching development platforms even within a project - I just cut a CD on

Re: Develop on Windows or Mac?

2003-11-06 Thread jbv
Roger, Be cool with flamebait... No flamebait of course, only questions... Here at work, we have more than one folder with THOUSANDS of files for our business, DBA, SAN, backups reporting among others... In a 3TB fileserver you need something that can handle oh-so-many files! Yes,

Re: Develop on Windows or Mac?

2003-11-06 Thread xbury . cs
On 06/11/2003 13:02:11 use-revolution-bounces wrote: Roger, Be cool with flamebait... No flamebait of course, only questions... None taken! ;)) Here at work, we have more than one folder with THOUSANDS of files for our business, DBA, SAN, backups reporting among others... In a 3TB

Re: Develop on Windows or Mac?

2003-11-06 Thread jbv
Just one more detail : On Mac, move (or duplicate) a file on the desktop (to retrieve it easier). Then check the location of that file : you'll probably find it at the higher level of your HD, which is logical. Now do the same in Windows XP... Did anyone say productivity ? JB

Re: Develop on Windows or Mac?

2003-11-06 Thread xbury . cs
] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/11/03 14:11 Please respond to How to use Revolution To: How to use Revolution [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re: Develop on Windows or Mac? . Just one more detail : On Mac, move (or duplicate) a file on the desktop

Re: Develop on Windows or Mac?

2003-11-06 Thread Roger . E . Eller
On 11/06/2003, at 05:23 AM jbv [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a question : who needs to put 10,000 files in a single folder ? I might be wrong, but to me it sounds like a perverted approach of graphic interfaces... ... The point I want to make is that putting 10,000 files in a single

Re: Develop on Windows or Mac

2003-11-06 Thread Wolfgang M . Bereuter
On 06.11.2003, at 01:23, Alex Rice wrote: On thing I'm not sure about: must the OS X build be separate, because it has a whole new binary format? Or is the PPC build Carbonized so it can run on OS X and Mac OS? It seems carbonized but I saw some features not working in a fat build opened in OS

Re: Develop on Windows or Mac

2003-11-06 Thread Richard Gaskin
Wolfgang M.Bereuter wrote: On 06.11.2003, at 01:23, Alex Rice wrote: On thing I'm not sure about: must the OS X build be separate, because it has a whole new binary format? Or is the PPC build Carbonized so it can run on OS X and Mac OS? It seems carbonized but I saw some features not

Re: Develop on Windows or Mac?

2003-11-05 Thread Alex Rice
On Nov 4, 2003, at 7:43 PM, Ray Bennett wrote: * Some VERY critical functionality is NOT well-behaved on Windows. Specifically, you can't rely on memory management to work the way you'd expect. The inability of Windows (or the rev engine on windows) to perform garbage collection of what has

Re: Develop on Windows or Mac?

2003-11-05 Thread Alex Rice
On Nov 4, 2003, at 5:51 PM, Paul Stary wrote: Which will machine will run Revolution faster? (I'm guessing the PC as much as it pains me to say) The Rev IDE is fast in general, so both machines are plenty powerful. The only areas where you will see a noticeable speed differences may be

Re: Develop on Windows or Mac?

2003-11-05 Thread xbury . cs
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Re: Develop on Windows or Mac?

2003-11-05 Thread Thomas J McGrath III
On Tuesday, November 4, 2003, at 09:43 PM, Ray Bennett wrote: Hi Paul. I'm sure you'll get lots of opinions on this one. I've lived on Macs and Unix boxes for years and years. We've developed, over the past year, a product that is cross platform - meaning AND I think you should spend most of

Re: Develop on Windows or Mac?

2003-11-05 Thread Mike Brown
The Revolution team has done an excellent job of providing a truly cross-platform development tool with very little differences! I have developed Revolution applications on both a Mac G4 and Windows 2000 XP machines and have not run into any platform related bugs. From my experience,

Re: Develop on Windows or Mac?

2003-11-05 Thread Rick Harrison
On Nov 4, 2003, at 7:51 PM, Paul Stary wrote: I have used Mac since 1984, but have developed some reasonable PC skills in the last 10 years. I still work on Mac for personal productivity, but find myself moving lots of my engineering stuff to PC just because that's the world view. Since I am

Re: Develop on Windows or Mac?

2003-11-05 Thread Paul Stary
Thank you all for your insights into this topic. I found it all very useful and have made the decision to stay with the Mac for the majority of the development, incrementally checking my stacks on the PC. This means eventually purchasing two version of Studio. When nearing completion, I will

Re: Develop on Windows or Mac?

2003-11-05 Thread Roger . E . Eller
Paul, I've developed projects for both machines. You will be more productive, and faster on the Mac than in the Windows environment - fewer quirks, crashes, etc. Then move your project over to the Windows environment to work out the bugs there for that operating system. That's my 2

RE: Develop on Windows or Mac?

2003-11-05 Thread Chipp Walters
A very interesting thread topic. I develop on Windows for Windows. I've tried developing on a Mac and things just didn't seem to work as well, though in fairness to RR, I was using 1.1.1 at the time on a System 9 machine. It crashed much more than Windows. Ray mentions garbage collection and

Re: Develop on Windows or Mac?

2003-11-05 Thread Rick Harrison
More productive, and faster? I work in a mixed environment of PC's and Mac's, and that is not the situation here at all. On OS X, put about 10,000 files of any kind into a folder (write a repeat loop to create them as a test), then open the folder in the finder. Put a stop-watch on that pretty

Re: Develop on Windows or Mac?

2003-11-05 Thread Alex Rice
On Nov 5, 2003, at 9:17 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More productive, and faster? Oh come on. Step acting incredulous that someone's manner of productivity can be different. I'm way, way, way! more productive on OS X than on my Windows 2000 machine. There are many aspects to productivity. For

Re: Develop on Windows or Mac?

2003-11-05 Thread Scott Rossi
On 11/5/03 9:33 AM, Alex Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: someone's manner of productivity can be different. Excellent point. So let's not start a my insert item here is better than your insert item here thread. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design - E:

Re: Develop on Windows or Mac?

2003-11-05 Thread Alex Rice
On Nov 5, 2003, at 10:33 AM, Alex Rice wrote: Yes, the Mac OS Finder truly was slow from 10.2 - 10.2.8. Oops, obviously Finder sucked from 10.0 public beta - 10.2.8, although did get better along the way before being rewritten for 10.3 Alex Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Mindlube Software |

Re: Develop on Windows or Mac?

2003-11-05 Thread Alex Rice
On Nov 5, 2003, at 10:43 AM, Scott Rossi wrote: On 11/5/03 9:33 AM, Alex Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: someone's manner of productivity can be different. Excellent point. So let's not start a my insert item here is better than your insert item here thread. Yeah! I was getting a little

Re: Develop on Windows or Mac?

2003-11-05 Thread Roger . E . Eller
On Nov 5, 2003, at 10:43 AM, Scott Rossi wrote: On 11/5/03 9:33 AM, Alex Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: someone's manner of productivity can be different. Excellent point. So let's not start a my insert item here is better than your insert item here thread. Yeah! I was getting a

Re: Develop on Windows or Mac

2003-11-05 Thread Thomas Cole
I'm working on my first big project with Revolution and I'm using OSX to develop in. I want the software to run on any mac and any windows machine. It's working surprisingly well. Revolution is a great piece of software. My experience so far -- as limited as it is -- is different from what I am

Re: Develop on Windows or Mac

2003-11-05 Thread Alex Rice
On Nov 5, 2003, at 4:47 PM, Thomas Cole wrote: I'm rather a neophyte and I don't even know which standalone for Mac to distribute or what the difference is: Fat. PPC. or 68. (I'll certainly want to distribute the OSX version.) If someone could set me straight on this, I'd be grateful. That is

Re: Develop on Windows or Mac?

2003-11-05 Thread Ken Norris
Well, I only have one thing to say on this thread. I will need to produce apps for Windows with Rev on my Mac; I like Rev's ability to do cross-platform builds. I expect problems from time to time, but that's part of what this list is for, and I appreciate the skills of those working in Windows.

Re: Develop on Windows or Mac

2003-11-05 Thread Sannyasin Sivakatirswami
Having worked in print media for over 30 years, we tend to find over and over again that grey areas are often areas that are simply undocumented, which which have, on investigation, fairly precise parameters. e.g. the top border should be exactly 24 points wide and sit on the 5 baseline from

Develop on Windows or Mac?

2003-11-04 Thread Paul Stary
I have used Mac since 1984, but have developed some reasonable PC skills in the last 10 years. I still work on Mac for personal productivity, but find myself moving lots of my engineering stuff to PC just because that's the world view. Since I am soon to have both a G4 1.25 GHz. (Dual Boot)

Re: Develop on Windows or Mac?

2003-11-04 Thread Ray Bennett
Hi Paul. I'm sure you'll get lots of opinions on this one. I've lived on Macs and Unix boxes for years and years. We've developed, over the past year, a product that is cross platform - meaning that it has a market that requires Mac and PC support. Alas, the Mac will likely account for less