Re: HyperCard for the iPad

2010-05-21 Thread Peter Alcibiades
it their best shot, to control content. It will be messy, and it will get worse before it gets better. I also agree with Richard, they will change a few years from now, and by then it will be too late. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/HyperCard-for-the-iPad

Re: HyperCard for the iPad

2010-05-21 Thread Jerry Daniels
. It will be messy, and it will get worse before it gets better. I also agree with Richard, they will change a few years from now, and by then it will be too late. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/HyperCard-for-the-iPad-tp2224439p2225850.html Sent from

Re: HyperCard for the iPad

2010-05-21 Thread Jerry Daniels
Been thinking about what inspired me more than anything to do the Rodeo project in the face of the Apple lock down and its psychological devastation. Here it is in one picture: http://jerrydaniels.com/brendans-action-formula Best, Jerry Daniels Create iPad web apps with Rodeo:

HyperCard for the iPad

2010-05-20 Thread David Bovill
This has been troubling me. Steve jobs is reputed to have said: “Something like HyperCard on the iPad? Yes, but someone would have to create it” at the Apple’s shareholder meetinghttp://www.macworld.com/article/146739/2010/02/2010appleshareholdermtg.htmlsome time in early 2010. The closest

Re: HyperCard for the iPad

2010-05-20 Thread René Micout
I agree and put my signature, but for iPad ! René Le 20 mai 2010 à 14:34, David Bovill a écrit : This has been troubling me. Steve jobs is reputed to have said: “Something like HyperCard on the iPad? Yes, but someone would have to create it” at the Apple’s shareholder meetinghttp

Re: HyperCard for the iPad

2010-05-20 Thread Richard Gaskin
David Bovill wrote: So perhaps it is worth asking along which lines a real HyperCard app could be made on the iPhone? Jeanne DeVoto shared this link with the improve-rev list recently, a blog written by someone who used to work at Apple who applies the insights from his history there to

Re: HyperCard for the iPad

2010-05-20 Thread François Chaplais
totally agree. plus: totally fit for the iPhone/iPad. But we may see this someday. See this (sorta funny) blogpost http://www.tuaw.com/2010/05/18/when-jobs-says-no-we-hear-maybe-heres-why/ Le 20 mai 2010 à 16:36, Richard Gaskin a écrit : David Bovill wrote: So perhaps it is worth asking along

Re: HyperCard for the iPad

2010-05-20 Thread Jerry Daniels
MJ and I were just discussing the fact that the entire iPad itself is HyperCard-like. The original HyperCard, that is. Think about it...there are no windows, there's just a screen. It's got the Home stack and everything. It's fairly modal, also. Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link

Re: HyperCard for the iPad

2010-05-20 Thread Richard Gaskin
Jerry Daniels wrote: MJ and I were just discussing the fact that the entire iPad itself is HyperCard-like. The original HyperCard, that is. Think about it...there are no windows, there's just a screen. It's got the Home stack and everything. It's fairly modal, also. GMTA: http

Re: HyperCard for the iPad

2010-05-20 Thread J. Landman Gay
Richard Gaskin wrote: I believe Apple would allow a HyperCard-like app for the iPhone/iPad only if they could have complete assurances it would be available EXCLUSIVELY for iPhone OS. Kevin offered to do exactly that, and was still refused. It's in his blog post. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay

Re: HyperCard for the iPad

2010-05-20 Thread Andre Garzia
now, when RevMobile runs on the future android devices, we'll take over the world and jobs will fired from apple and found a company called NeXTAgaIN just to ship some products called NextPad Turbo NextPhoneCube and be bought by Apple when His Steveness will be again CEO, rinse, repeat On Thu,

Re: HyperCard for the iPad

2010-05-20 Thread David Bovill
On 20 May 2010 16:46, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote: Richard Gaskin wrote: I believe Apple would allow a HyperCard-like app for the iPhone/iPad only if they could have complete assurances it would be available EXCLUSIVELY for iPhone OS. Kevin offered to do exactly that,

Re: HyperCard for the iPad

2010-05-20 Thread David Bovill
On 20 May 2010 16:57, Andre Garzia an...@andregarzia.com wrote: now, when RevMobile runs on the future android devices, we'll take over the world and jobs will fired from apple and found a company called NeXTAgaIN just to ship some products called NextPad Turbo NextPhoneCube and be bought by

Re: HyperCard for the iPad

2010-05-20 Thread Richard Gaskin
David Bovill wrote: On 20 May 2010 16:46, J. Landman Gay jacque at hyperactivesw.com wrote: Richard Gaskin wrote: I believe Apple would allow a HyperCard-like app for the iPhone/iPad only if they could have complete assurances it would be available EXCLUSIVELY for iPhone OS. Kevin

Re: HyperCard for the iPad

2010-05-20 Thread Bob Sneidar
RunRev's recent proposed approach would have forced RevMobile to be iPhone/iPad only. That isn't the issue. Bob On May 20, 2010, at 7:36 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: I believe Apple would allow a HyperCard-like app for the iPhone/iPad only if they could have complete assurances it would be

Re: HyperCard for the iPad

2010-05-20 Thread Andre Garzia
Apple's OS X isn't the only OS with deeply integrated search, or the only one with good multitasking, or even the only one with the strength of having Unix at its core. No the best OS in terms of integrated search, multitasking and having some unix features at its core is Haiku. Nothing

Re: HyperCard for the iPad

2010-05-20 Thread David Bovill
I agree with Bob here Richard. On 20 May 2010 19:00, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote: RunRev's recent proposed approach would have forced RevMobile to be iPhone/iPad only. That isn't the issue. It is not exclusivity that is being asked for. It does not matter that Rev was offered for one

Re: HyperCard for the iPad

2010-05-20 Thread Peter Alcibiades
, it is not. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/HyperCard-for-the-iPad-tp2224439p2225138.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution

Re: HyperCard for the iPad

2010-05-20 Thread Richard Gaskin
David Bovill wrote: I agree with Bob here Richard. On 20 May 2010 19:00, Bob Sneidar bobs at twft.com wrote: RunRev's recent proposed approach would have forced RevMobile to be iPhone/iPad only. That isn't the issue. It is not exclusivity that is being asked for. It does not matter that

Re: HyperCard for the iPad

2010-05-20 Thread Richmond Mathewson
On 20/05/2010 22:10, Peter Alcibiades wrote: snip Someplace in Cupertino there is Politbureau sayinging no, life is as it was in 1985 Alas, it is not. No, it isn't 1985; but in North Korea it is somewhere round about 1950; in China it is a real case of mixed calendars, and in

Re: HyperCard for the iPad

2010-05-20 Thread François Chaplais
Be fair, these are not *general purpose* interpreters. There are many calculator apps, if you want to go this way. On iPhone OS, apparently you're allowed to use runtime-interpreted instructions only if you name your app Bento, Numbers, or GameSalad.

Re: HyperCard for the iPad

2010-05-20 Thread Richard Gaskin
François Chaplais wrote: Be fair, these are not *general purpose* interpreters. There are many calculator apps, if you want to go this way. On iPhone OS, apparently you're allowed to use runtime-interpreted instructions only if you name your app Bento, Numbers, or GameSalad. True, and if

Re: HyperCard for the iPad

2010-05-20 Thread Ian Wood
. It's in his blog post. Important distinction - Runrev offered to do a *dev environment* that would build exclusively for the iPhone/iPad. At no point has Runrev (to my knowledge) offered to build something equivalent to Hypercard *ON* the iPad. Probably because it would immediately

Re: HyperCard for the iPad

2010-05-20 Thread Ian Wood
On 20 May 2010, at 18:08, Richard Gaskin wrote: Blowing off the other 83.9% of the mobile market (Apple says they have only 16.1%) just to appease His Steveness would have been suicidal, so if that was the intent we can all be glad the proposal was rejected. 16% of the market that make

Re: HyperCard for the iPad

2010-05-20 Thread Richard Gaskin
Ian Wood wrote: On 20 May 2010, at 18:08, Richard Gaskin wrote: Blowing off the other 83.9% of the mobile market (Apple says they have only 16.1%) just to appease His Steveness would have been suicidal, so if that was the intent we can all be glad the proposal was rejected. 16% of the

RE: HyperCard for the iPad

2010-05-20 Thread Lynn Fredricks
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/19/apples-app-store-said-to-ha ve-99-4-percent-of-all-mobile-app-sa/ I've not managed to find estimates that are more recent, but that's a scary ratio for anyone hoping to make money from Android apps as an alternative to the iPhone/iPad. :-( Still seems

Re: HyperCard for the iPad

2010-05-20 Thread Jerry Daniels
Ian, Not surprisingly, I happen to agree with you. I would go so far as to say Rodeo is what people like the original HyperCard team would have done today. Thanks to the kick starters and a modest upsurge in tRev purchases, we have made enough progress on Rodeo to get something in people's

Re: HyperCard for the iPad

2010-05-20 Thread Scott Rossi
Recently, Jerry Daniels wrote: We now have a desktop app for the Mac that formats our new LIST code, and sends it to the Rodeo server where it's quickly made into simple (for now) web pages that look great on the iPad. The Mac editor also has a nice preview pane so you can see the fruits of

Re: HyperCard for the iPad

2010-05-20 Thread Jerry Daniels
Hey, Scott! Happy to clarify. Gods willing, we will eventually have an app in the app store that is essentially a browser shell that runs Rodeo web apps. We can then roll anyone else's web pages into an app for them for submission to the app store. Apps with open-ended, unpredictable content