Yep,
but how to get two buttons (and a scroll wheel) on my new i-Book?
Cash, check or charge all seem to work.
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On Jan 3, 2004, at 9:41 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:
I-Tunes is the 'BETAMAX' to the rest of the online Music 'VHS'. And
those who invest in the 'beta' technology will end up not being able
to use the scores of other hardware, software and media retail/online
outlets for their music needs. While
On Jan 3, 2004, at 10:49 PM, Alex Rice wrote:
I think the hockey puck mouse must have been a cruel joke by some
hardware designer at apple.
FWIW the hockey puck design fit very nicely in the hands of little
children. My friend has a couple of little kids and those mice work
perfectly for them.
On Sunday, January 4, 2004, at 12:17 AM, Trevor DeVore wrote:
On Jan 3, 2004, at 10:49 PM, Alex Rice wrote:
I think the hockey puck mouse must have been a cruel joke by some
hardware designer at apple.
FWIW the hockey puck design fit very nicely in the hands of little
children. My friend has a
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To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Interfaces: PC and MAC and the screenGamma property...
On Jan 3, 2004, at 1:39 AM, Chipp Walters wrote:
Also, while setting the screenGamma to 2.2 on the Mac does solve
Alex Rice wrote
On Jan 3, 2004, at 9:07 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:
As fine as Macs are for creating print and video, last I heard, they
only had a 3% marketshare for all computers. So, all those other
computers are viewing on 'non-Mac' gamma settings. I'm with Richard
and believe Apple should
Just a side bar comment on standards that is slightly off-topic. What Apple
knows and what Apple does has unfortunately cost them many opportunities.
For proof, visit this little web site...
http://aurejac.dyndns.org/
Seventeen years is very nearly half the entire epoch of commercial
computing.
Martin Baxter wrote the best explanation of the Mac gamma I've read yet:
Alex Rice wrote
On Jan 3, 2004, at 9:07 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:
As fine as Macs are for creating print and video, last I heard, they
only had a 3% marketshare for all computers. So, all those other
computers are
On 1/4/04 10:57 AM, Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In short, if the problem of color correction is universal, why can't there
be a universal solution?
IMHO, I would say because of the hardware, or the way the hardware is
manufactured. To be done well, color correction must be done on
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Subject: Re: Interfaces: PC and MAC and the screenGamma property...
On 1/2/04 9:37 PM, Dar Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In
addition to the multiple graphic
On Saturday, January 3, 2004, at 12:38 AM, Chipp Walters wrote:
Dar, perhaps you can tell me what the internal gamma setting is for a
Pshop
PC generated PNG vs a PShop Mac generated PNG...my guess it they are
the
same, as I couldn't get a PNG and trans GIF to ever work correctly on
my Mac
On Jan 2, 2004, at 10:21 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:
The following article provides one explanation as to what is going with
PNGs. If the author's statements are valid, then apparently the
problem
with PNG display is universal.
http://www.hut.fi/u/hsivonen/png-gamma.html
Still, this shouldn't
On Saturday, January 3, 2004, at 12:49 AM, Alex Rice wrote:
With screenGamma of 1.7, then strangely the GIF and the
PNG-with-gamma-value are the same color, and the BMP and
PNG-without-gamma-value are another color.
I'm not sure where the strangely applies. The first two make sense to
me.
Alex,
So save your PNGs without Gamma values, and set the screenGamma to 2.2,
and you are good to go on Mac and Win.
How do you save w/out Gamma in Photoshop? On the PC?
Also, while setting the screenGamma to 2.2 on the Mac does solve the color
matching problem, it creates an even larger
On Jan 3, 2004, at 1:39 AM, Chipp Walters wrote:
How do you save w/out Gamma in Photoshop? On the PC?
Hmmm... I can't find it. ImageReady has Image menu | Adjustments | Gamma
but I don't see an option for turning on or off Gamma values in the
saved PNG.
BTW Photoshop docs say use Gamma of 2.2
On Saturday, January 3, 2004, at 12:38 AM, Chipp Walters wrote:
Dar, perhaps you can tell me what the internal gamma setting is for a
Pshop
PC generated PNG vs a PShop Mac generated PNG...my guess it they are
the
same, as I couldn't get a PNG and trans GIF to ever work correctly on
my Mac
On Jan 3, 2004, at 3:56 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
Which raises the obvious question: When will Apple play nice and
adopt the
predominant standard?
For graphics, print and video production Macs *are* the standard. FWIW
SGIs also used a similar gamma- and they were used in graphics and
video a
On Saturday, January 3, 2004, at 12:33 PM, Alex Rice wrote:
I'm not sure, but from what I've read, it's not as simple as twiddling
a decimal number for the gamma somewhere in the system defaults.
http://www.poynton.com/notes/colour_and_gamma/GammaFAQ.html
I found note #16 here to be helpful in
On Saturday, January 3, 2004, at 01:56 PM, Dar Scott wrote:
Goal 1
A designer can make a stack from a great variety of images from a
variety of sources and environments.
Goal 2
If two colors among image colors or other colors display equal in one
environment, they will display equal in every
Alex Rice wrote:
On Jan 3, 2004, at 3:56 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
Which raises the obvious question: When will Apple play nice and
adopt the predominant standard?
For graphics, print and video production Macs *are* the standard.
Except, ironiclly, at Pixar, where they have more Linux
On 1/3/04 2:11 PM, Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The difference between me and a fair number of other Apple loyalists is
recognizing that status quo is deadly in an environment of radical dynamic
change like computing. As with living organisms, the only organizations
that aren't
In fact, I'm writing this on a Mac, as I have since 1987.
i'm glad to see i'm not the only slow typer around here ;-)
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The one-button mouse is (soon) dead! Long live Apple!
In fact, I'm using a Microsoft (gasp!) two-button Wheel Mouse Optical
USB mouse on my Mac and have been using two-button mice with Mac
development ever since OS 9 was released... the nice thing for me is
that I can do things one-handed
Yeah but look at your statement below. I would agree with you even that
I am a preferred Mac user except you had to end the following statement
with an attack with words.
Your attack states that anyone who isn't like you can't see beyond
Steve's last keynote. This appears to be very much an
I am using a wireless Logitech track ball with eight buttons. And now I
can't even use a two button mouse let alone a one button mouse. And I
can't use the tracpad at all.
Using a button for command and control modifiers is the only way to go
for me.
:-)
tom
On Jan 3, 2004, at 7:25 PM, Ken
Dar,
You are correct, the original image in the demo stack was set at
128,128,128 but the one I sent you was different. I left the original
one at work. Let me know if you'd like another 128,128,128 PNG from a
PC and I'll fire you one.
--Chipp
On Jan 3, 2004, at 1:15 PM, Dar Scott wrote:
On
Alex,
On Jan 3, 2004, at 1:33 PM, Alex Rice wrote:
On Jan 3, 2004, at 3:56 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
Which raises the obvious question: When will Apple play nice and
adopt the
predominant standard?
For graphics, print and video production Macs *are* the standard. FWIW
SGIs also used a
Thomas J McGrath III wrote:
Yeah but look at your statement below. I would agree with you even that
I am a preferred Mac user except you had to end the following statement
with an attack with words.
Your attack states that anyone who isn't like you can't see beyond
Steve's last keynote.
Yep,
but how to get two buttons (and a scroll wheel) on my new i-Book?
:-)
Chipp
On Jan 3, 2004, at 6:25 PM, Ken Ray wrote:
The one-button mouse is (soon) dead! Long live Apple!
In fact, I'm using a Microsoft (gasp!) two-button Wheel Mouse Optical
USB mouse on my Mac and have been using
Richard,
I didn't know you wrote the original thread. I was just reacting mid
thread. Sorry.
Thanks for your earnest reply. And I agree with you 100% as well.
Tom
On Jan 3, 2004, at 11:07 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
Thomas J McGrath III wrote:
Yeah but look at your statement below. I would
Richard,
Well said. I enjoyed reading the article as well. In fact, it echos
something I've been talking about for awhile. I-Tunes is the 'BETAMAX'
to the rest of the online Music 'VHS'. And those who invest in the
'beta' technology will end up not being able to use the scores of other
On 1/3/04 10:21 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:
Yep,
but how to get two buttons (and a scroll wheel) on my new i-Book?
No sweat. Go to any computer store and look at Windows USB mice.
Virtually all of them will work without any special Mac driver (the
system driver does fine.) If you want more
On Jan 3, 2004, at 3:11 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
Except, ironiclly, at Pixar, where they have more Linux machines than
Macs.
http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/2003/10/28/pixarosx/index.php?
redirect=
1073135312000
Pixar, WETA digital, and the like, are an exception because the
Unix/Linux
On Jan 3, 2004, at 9:07 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:
As fine as Macs are for creating print and video, last I heard, they
only had a 3% marketshare for all computers. So, all those other
computers are viewing on 'non-Mac' gamma settings. I'm with Richard
and believe Apple should consider adopting
Hi all,
I ended up getting an iBook over the holidays to do some cross-platform
development. Been awhile since I've used Macs for any length of time (they
sure have changed;-0)
Anyway, I spent a few hours today trying to track down a color issue and
here's what I found out:
If you are like me,
On Jan 2, 2004, at 4:51 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:
open stack URL
http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/GammaTest.rev;
Instead of adjust the screenGamma property to match what the PNG
expects. as the TD says, is it possible to adjust the PNG data's gamma
setting on the fly, and not touch the
On Friday, January 2, 2004, at 05:10 PM, Alex Rice wrote:
Instead of adjust the screenGamma property to match what the PNG
expects. as the TD says, is it possible to adjust the PNG data's
gamma setting on the fly, and not touch the screenGamma property? Not
knowing about the PNG format much, I
Alex,
Don't know about if it's possible to change the gamma for the PNG. Even
if it were possible, it would probably end up creating even more
'washed out' images on Macs or 'too dark' images on PC.
Yep, I tried the put img x into img y and it rarely worked...so I
just flipped a card. Didn't
On Friday, January 2, 2004, at 04:51 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:
I've created a stack to demonstrate the issue, and offer some
solutions on
how to best solve it. Just type into your msg box and hit return:
open stack URL
http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/GammaTest.rev;
Please let me know
On Jan 2, 2004, at 5:44 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:
Alex,
Don't know about if it's possible to change the gamma for the PNG.
Even if it were possible, it would probably end up creating even more
'washed out' images on Macs or 'too dark' images on PC.
Not sure... my overly simplistic
I'm called to supper. I'll send what I have on the PNG. I'll have to
calculate the gamma from the value field later. Unless someone else
does it or has a better tool. Note that the value from text is not the
same as the value from export. Maybe one is the one set and the other
is
On 1/2/04 3:51 PM, Chipp Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I ended up getting an iBook over the holidays to do some cross-platform
development. Been awhile since I've used Macs for any length of time (they
sure have changed;-0)
Anyway, I spent a few hours today trying to track down a color
Don't know about if it's possible to change the gamma for the PNG.
Even if it were possible, it would probably end up creating even more
'washed out' images on Macs or 'too dark' images on PC.
The following article provides one explanation as to what is going with
PNGs. If the author's
On Friday, January 2, 2004, at 10:21 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:
In
addition to the multiple graphic formats that we can employ, users will
rarely have the opportunity to directly compare the appearance of a Mac
stack with a Windows stack.
But his problem is a gif next to a png.
Also, he has control
On 1/2/04 9:37 PM, Dar Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In
addition to the multiple graphic formats that we can employ, users will
rarely have the opportunity to directly compare the appearance of a Mac
stack with a Windows stack.
But his problem is a gif next to a png.
In case you missed
On Friday, January 2, 2004, at 11:05 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:
But his problem is a gif next to a png.
In case you missed it, I was responding to Chipp's statement about the
appearance of his images:
Don't know about if it's possible to change the gamma for the PNG.
Even
if it were possible, it
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