On Mar 16, 2008, at 1:21 AM, Chipp Walters wrote:
Listen guys, my point, obviously not well made, was that making a bold
claim works in getting people interested in one's product.
As has been proven here, and I already understand that point you made.
I like the kinds of advertising that say
On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 9:59 PM, Colin Holgate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Mar 15, 2008, at 10:20 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:
>
> > Whatever.
> > and it's Chipp, with 2 p's.
> He was trying to make you thinner too.
Ha! good one. I only wish it was that easy!
> Did that machine ever ship?
I didn't remember Apple's bold claim to be "Thinnest laptop which
shipped". I was in Japan a couple of months ago, and they had a couple
of laptops thinner than the Mac Air.
And a quick Google on "Apple's thinnest laptop claim" finds this on page one:
http://www.macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/c
That computer doesn't even exist. It is a planned prototype. and since
the article is from last year it never was produced.
.76 down to .16
one actually may line the shelves of a retailer before long. Intel
hasn't announced an official release date but people familiar with the
matter say a
On Mar 15, 2008, at 10:20 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:
Whatever.
and it's Chipp, with 2 p's.
He was trying to make you thinner too.
And here's one thinner. So there. Big deal.
http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/may2007/tc20070523_272039.htm
Did that machine ever ship? By the ti
Whatever.
and it's Chipp, with 2 p's.
And here's one thinner. So there. Big deal.
http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/may2007/tc20070523_272039.htm
On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 6:12 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Frankly, Chip, the phrase "average thickness" was mine; no
On Mar 15, 2008, at 7:51 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:
But, hat's off to Apple for the hyperbole.
Well, of course they have hyperbole, having got rid of hypercard.
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Frankly, Chip, the phrase "average thickness" was mine; not Apples. I
just didn't want to list the max and min; and I believe the max
thickness of AIr is less than 0.8" @ 0.76" Min. @ 0.16". You made me
look it up.
Joe Wilkins
On Mar 15, 2008, at 4:51 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:
On Sat, Mar
On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 5:39 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> NOT TRUE? The average thickness of the AIR is less than 1/2". Is there
> a thinner one?
There's that wordsmithing again. Average thickness?
Check out the Vaio X505 which is thinner than Air at a maximum
thickness o
On Mar 15, 2008, at 4:24 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:
"Thinnest laptop in the world" by Apple,
while not true, sure get's folks talking!
Bravo!
NOT TRUE? The average thickness of the AIR is less than 1/2". Is there
a thinner one?
On the other stuff about Buzz words, I agree whole heartedly
I'm all for: "Learn Programming in 1 Day"
As a captivating headline, I'd say it's doing it's job just fine.
Witness the results.
Good job Bill!
Years ago I attended an incredible PR and marketing seminar. And for a
rather hefty fee, they shared some secrets of
Richard Gaskin wrote:
"what is the specific number of days you would
consider a minimum for applying the phrase "learn
programming"?
Eight? 23? Hundreds? Thousands? 4067? Hundreds of
thousands?
And please define "programming"."
OUCH !
Part 1: I suppose learning programming (as I
understand
Richmond wrote:
I do like your
"Kill your fear of programming in 1 day"
Me too. I think it's perhaps the best so far.
Heather, taking note?
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Richard Gaskin
Fourth World Media Corporation
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Richmond wrote:
Semantics time:
There is a huge difference between "Learn Programming
in 1 Day"
and "Learn How to Produce Functioning Programs in 1
Day".
The first title, which ever way you cut it, is fairly
nonsensical;
Richmond, I'm curious: what is the specific
jbv wrote:
...will confort experienced programmers in their view of Rev as a
cheap toy for beginners
Dude, having a priced-like-a-disposable-toy $49 version does far more
for that than a single line in one press release.
Besides, as I've mentioned before, when it comes to evangelizing Rev a
JB,
> And like an ad that misses
> its target, it might keep newbies away (because they'll realize it's still
> about programming)
The mailer's performing nicely, actually.
Question: If you're not interested in programming, how would you end up on
our mailing list, and why would you purchase Re
Touchy!
Stop it! It's just a wind up! Come on if someone sends me an email
that says "Learn Programming in 1 Day" then look out cos I will make
fun of it! No malice intended!
Take Care and Thanks for all you Help!
All the Best
Dave
On 14 Mar 2008, at 15:37, J. Landman Ga
Dave wrote:
"Just a jolly good hoot in my opinion!"
Of course! But some people take things way too
seriously . . .
Love, Richmond Mathewson.
PS. I was born in 1962, and in 1963-4 my parents used
to leave me with the farmer's wife next door while
they went out for the evening; I watched the Beat
mony should be hit over the
head with a brick!
Now who is being abrasive? But, face it, the world is
becoming mediocre, and
Sunday-Afternoon-in-the-front-parlour pianists are
being praised to the skies because they can belt out
"The Flower of Scotland" without an ounce of feeling!
I only
Just a jolly good hoot in my opinion!
Dave
On 15 Mar 2008, at 15:54, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
Semantics time:
There is a huge difference between "Learn Programming
in 1 Day"
and "Learn How to Produce Functioning Programs in 1
Day".
The first title, which ever way y
actually we understand it too well : like a headline or advertising, it
deals with the positionning of a product among the community of
experienced users and newbies as well... And like an ad that misses
its target, it might keep newbies away (because they'll realize it's still
about programming)
> sorry to be so abrasive, but IMHO none of these titles makes
> any sense...
I found it very disappointing that the book "Make Love the Bruce Campbell
Way" didn't improve my sex life ;-)
http://www.amazon.com/Make-Love-Bruce-Campbell-Way/dp/0312312601
Sorry, couldn't resist :-)
Best regards,
day"...
Or, as suggested in earlier posts, much better :
"Learn how to code as you think in 1 day"
"Kill your fear of programming in 1 day"
Best,
JB
Semantics time:
There is a huge difference between "Learn Programming
in 1 Day"
and "Learn How to
t;
Best,
JB
> Semantics time:
>
> There is a huge difference between "Learn Programming
> in 1 Day"
>
> and "Learn How to Produce Functioning Programs in 1
> Day".
>
> The first title, which ever way you cut it, is fairly
> nonsens
Semantics time:
There is a huge difference between "Learn Programming
in 1 Day"
and "Learn How to Produce Functioning Programs in 1
Day".
The first title, which ever way you cut it, is fairly
nonsensical;
HOWEVER, the second makes perfect sense with regard to
Runtime Re
But not good for a complete beginner, who keeps hearing that, to do
anything useful, you have to learn to *program*...
It's the P-word that keeps people from even trying, hence, if you tell
then they can learn to p- in a day...
(no pun intended)
Judy
On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 8:52 AM, jbv <[EMAIL
To Richard & Heather:
yes!
To everyone else:
We all know that Rev is great... even dolts like me can hammer out
something useful in a day.. (note that your consideration of ' useful
' is one of those things in which YMMV).
I truly wish that my kids' first grade teacher would take Rev up on
Jose,
> any plan to sell later that DVD and screen captures later? I'm 10.000 km
> away and didn't start to play with revolution, but your DVD will help me
> to decide.
Yes the DVD will be offered separately. The price will be $249.
- Bill
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hello,
any plan to sell later that DVD and screen captures later? I'm 10.000 km
away and didn't start to play with revolution, but your DVD will help me
to decide.
Thanks
Jose
>
> The "Day One Pass" previously offered just to people who purchased the
> RevSelect bundle is now available to eve
Richmond,
> "Learn Programming in 1 Day"
>
> really?
Really.
The "Day One Pass" previously offered just to people who purchased the
RevSelect bundle is now available to everyone.
People who attend will begin with a "blank slate" and by the end of th
I'm actually going to have to leave the conference Sat around noon
because of flight connections :-(
It stinks, I know, but my real job pays for my fun job (playing with
Rev).
On Mar 14, 2008, at 4:05 PM, jbv wrote:
"Marian Petrides, MD" a *crit :
Now, I'm planning on
attending the fu
ters of the "learn Programming in 1 Day"
sessions would be for them to stress what I have just said to the people
attending the introduction.
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"Marian Petrides, MD" a *crit :
> Now, I'm planning on
> attending the full conference + pre conference
and what about post - conference ?
sorry... couldn't resist...
JB
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Chipp Walters wrote:
I will also add:
At the last RevCon held in Monterey, Jacque did a marvelous job with
the same format (though unfortunately we didn't have the catchy
headline) and it received some of the highest marks of all sessions
for the conference.
I have to say, much or most of that
On Mar 14, 2008, at 2:51 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:
Frankly, Rev's bold claim has already been the subject of near 20
messages on this list-- I'd say it's doing it's job nicely promoting
the 'before' session. Well done.
That it has. I had figured this conference was WAY over my head until
I
Richard Gaskin wrote:
In fact, I don't know that I even think in terms of how the engine
thinks. For example, when my gal asks me where I left the car keys,
I've never said, "get the keys of car of drawer topleft of cabinet
counter of room kitchen of this house".
LOL. But I bet you wanted
"Learn Programming in 1 Day"
Certainly a bold claim-- not unlike many of the claims I make to my
clients like, "Write a Timeline based Video Editor with 3 Audio
Tracks, from Scratch in under 40 hours."
Frankly, Rev's bold claim has already been the subject of near 20
me
"Get hooked in 1 day" ?;-)
Because it conjures images of meth addicts from Barstow. :)
Seriously, I guess you already know from my contrbutions to this
list during
the past few years that, although I've used different prog.
languages, xTalk
remains my favorite.
But I'm afraid tha
S. Barncard wrote:
"I really don't it's quite fair to belittle this
effort.
If I were still in my early stages of learning rev,
I'd really want
to take that course."
I have no intention of belittling Jacque's efforts.
I just saw 'red' when I saw the title.
How about "Learn The Salient Central
Heather Nagey wrote:
"If you go home again without having learned anything
new I will personally refund your ticket**."
To which:
1. What a jolly nice offer.
2. I am absolutely sure I would learn lots of new
things.
3. 'Learning lots of new things' does not constitute
Learning Programming in
anguages, xTalk
remains my favorite.
But I'm afraid that claims such as "learn programming in 1 day" will keep
most serious programmers away from Rev for a long time, as they'll keep
seeing it as a funny toy for beginners...
Maybe, but I'd argue that the biggest hurdle fo
favorite.
But I'm afraid that claims such as "learn programming in 1 day" will keep
most serious programmers away from Rev for a long time, as they'll keep
seeing it as a funny toy for beginners...
How many times have we seen claims such as "do your own magazine in no
time
Heather,
>
> JB: I imagine you could probably learn quite a bit of Flash in one
> day. Since Rev is enormously better than Flash*** its certainly
> possible to learn to do useful work with it in one day.
I've been using Xtalk since 1987 and still discover tricks and new &
more efficient ways to
Dave wrote:
Maybe be the RunRev programming team were of the same course! Would
explain a lot!
Hey, go easy on us, okay? :) I'm teaching that thing, along with some
very talented others. The course will be a whirlwind intro to Rev
including some basic programming concepts, intended for those
At 2:56 PM + 3/14/08, Heather Nagey wrote:
Richmond, if you think we can't teach the basics of using Revolution
to new users in just one day, I challenge you to come along and see
for yourself.
I feel sure that some of the comments were distinguishing between
what most people do with to
ming"...
I've often met graphic designers using Flash who
write scripts with a complexity equivalent to
"go prev / go next", or who copy/paste some scripts
they grabbed on the web and in which they change
1 or 2 parameters, and then claim to be "graphic
designers AND programme
jbv wrote:
I for one have about 30 years of experience as a programmer,
and have used about 20 different languages...
Of course *mastering* programming takes a lifetime, and of course no
one-day session will attempt to accomplish that.
But my first experience with an xTalk (after deciding comp
I really don't it's quite fair to belittle this effort.
If I were still in my early stages of learning rev, I'd really want
to take that course.
Jacque is one of the best Rev-xTalk educators around, and she
communicates very well. Actually, she's educated me since my first
day on this list in
"Petrides, M.D. Marian" a *crit :
> I realize these comments are intended primarily as humor.
are they really ?
I for one have about 30 years of experience as a programmer,
and have used about 20 different languages, including such weird
things as uP / uC assembler or MIDI programming language
and in which they change
1 or 2 parameters, and then claim to be "graphic
designers AND programmers"...
In that case, I guess 1 day is enough...
JB
"Learn Programming in 1 Day"
really ?
I must be extremely stupid then.
th a complexity equivalent to
"go prev / go next", or who copy/paste some scripts
they grabbed on the web and in which they change
1 or 2 parameters, and then claim to be "graphic
designers AND programmers"...
In that case, I guess 1 day is enough...
JB
"Learn Progra
then claim to be "graphic
designers AND programmers"...
In that case, I guess 1 day is enough...
JB
>
>
> > "Learn Programming in 1 Day"
> >
> > really ?
> >
> > I must be extremely stupid then.
> >
wrote:
"Learn Programming in 1 Day"
really ?
I must be extremely stupid then.
And, no I don't need 100 replies to confirm the
above:)
love, Richmond
A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Deve
"Learn Programming in 1 Day"
really ?
I must be extremely stupid then.
And, no I don't need 100 replies to confirm the
above:)
love, Richmond
A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Develop
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