Re: interesting patent

2004-12-09 Thread Meitnik
In a message dated 12/9/04 12:06:30 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: More to the point, was Pageflex's patent issued before or after the first release of Rev's Geometry Manager? If the latter, I'd say the Pageflex patent ought not have been granted, and should in fact be nullified, on the

Re: interesting patent

2004-12-08 Thread Meitnik
U.S. Patent Awarded for Pageflex's Flexible Template Technology CAMBRIDGE, Mass.--(BUSINESS WIRE)Pageflex (NASDAQ:BITS) (www.pageflex.com), the leading provider of variable data publishing and Web-to-print technology, today announced that the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office has awarded a

Re: interesting patent

2004-12-08 Thread Frank D. Engel, Jr.
Hmm.. sounds like something other programs have been doing for a long time already. Take FileMaker Pro, for example... I wonder if the patent is actually valid? On Dec 8, 2004, at 1:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: U.S. Patent Awarded for Pageflex's Flexible Template Technology CAMBRIDGE,

Re: interesting patent

2004-12-08 Thread Gordon
Dear Revolutionaries I have glanced over this patent at the USPTO's web site. The original filing seems to date back to November 1999 and the 74 claims describe a flexible document layout system that outwardly resembles the kind of sequential, nested, vertical and horizontal layout controls of

Re: interesting patent

2004-12-08 Thread kee nethery
On Dec 8, 2004, at 11:37 AM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote: Hmm.. sounds like something other programs have been doing for a long time already. Take FileMaker Pro, for example... I wonder if the patent is actually valid? if it is issued it is valid. Does someone who cares have prior art that would

Re: interesting patent

2004-12-08 Thread David Kwinter
AM Subject: Re: interesting patent On Dec 8, 2004, at 11:37 AM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote: Hmm.. sounds like something other programs have been doing for a long time already. Take FileMaker Pro, for example... I wonder if the patent is actually valid? if it is issued it is valid. Does someone

RE: interesting patent

2004-12-08 Thread Lynch, Jonathan
Is RunRev patented? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Kwinter Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 2:58 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: interesting patent Software patents hinder progress and favor large-caps which can afford

Re: interesting patent

2004-12-08 Thread Gordon
The word valid is misleading here. If a patent has issued it is valid in the sense that its owners can drag you before a judge if they have a case that you are infringing the patent - but the real validity of the patent only becomes apparent at this point. Many valid issued patents turn out not

RE: interesting patent

2004-12-08 Thread Lynch, Jonathan
later and (if they win in court) keep you from using it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gordon Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 3:10 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: interesting patent The word valid is misleading here

Re: interesting patent

2004-12-08 Thread Mark Brownell
On Wednesday, December 8, 2004, at 12:12 PM, Lynch, Jonathan wrote: My understanding is that for many, the point of getting a patent is not even to prevent others from using the technology - it may well be too broadly defined or have other problems. However, if you have a patent, it guarantees

Re: interesting patent

2004-12-08 Thread Gordon
There seem to be some misconceptions about what patents are for: A U.S. patent as defined in section 35 of the U.S. code does NOT assure the inventors of the right to practice. It guarantees their exclusivity to practice within the scope of the patent claims, for the lifetime of the patent. If

RE: interesting patent

2004-12-08 Thread MisterX
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gordon Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 22:05 To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: interesting patent There seem to be some misconceptions about what patents are for: A U.S. patent as defined

Re: interesting patent

2004-12-08 Thread Cubist
More to the point, was Pageflex's patent issued before or after the first release of Rev's Geometry Manager? If the latter, I'd say the Pageflex patent ought not have been granted, and should in fact be nullified, on the grounds of prior art. ___

Re: interesting patent

2004-12-08 Thread Gordon
First to invent rather than first to file is the rule in the U.S. If (and its a big if) the PageFlex patent does overlap with rev's geometry manager, it would be necessary to show that RR (or their hypercard ancestors), were actually using or selling such a thing publicly, prior to the priority