RE: Hello science in TAOO

2005-10-15 Thread MisterX
let's start with the components: the menubar: this is managed by the GIM stack http://monsieurx.com/hyper/xos/Managers/GIM.rev Once active, the stack can be resized no problem (TAOO auto-loads GIM so you don’t have to do this activate business in general). Rev shares many features which TAOO has

[FIX] libSmtp 2.5.2 bugfix (apologies to the list members)

2005-10-15 Thread Sean Shao
Sorry to post this to the mailing list, but I figure that the majority of the SMTP library users are subscribed. In the smtpClose handler the following code is wrong: if (paramCount() = 1) AND (param(1) is not empty) then put param(1) into tCallbackMessage put param(2) into

Re: Rev vs. AJAX...Or Web-Aware Apps vs. Web Apps

2005-10-15 Thread Judy Perry
On Fri, 14 Oct 2005, Richard Gaskin wrote: The languages we bring to the table can always be replaced. But can our experience/talents/creativity? Okay, Richard, you trolled me back into the gym. I honestly was going to try to just sit back and let everybody think that EITHER as a

Re: Rev vs. AJAX...Or Web-Aware Apps vs. Web Apps

2005-10-15 Thread Scott Rossi
Recently, Judy Perry wrote: The more that we actively discourage 'thinking outside of the box' (or even thinking at all), the more we damn ourselves to the present and its limitations. IMO, the use of templates/themes is not an attempt to discourage thinking outside the box. It is an

AJAX... and Ruby on Rails are no match for Rev unplugged!

2005-10-15 Thread MisterX
After reading some comments on ruby on rails it's not just the difference in language niceties compared to their parent languages that makes them preferable to rev for those guys... It's also the fact that they make web-development easier. With the help of the old cgi system in metacard, I

Re: New date format: YYYY-MM-DD

2005-10-15 Thread Kay C Lan
On 10/15/05, Ken Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd love to see an additional ISO conversion format: convert tDate to ISO date convert tTime to ISO time Mark Waddingham - any chance of getting this into 2.7? Yes please, I'd like to see this as well. Although Ken's stsFormattedDate

Re: New date format: YYYY-MM-DD

2005-10-15 Thread Dom
Sivakatirswami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: convert 2006/12/23 to long date convert 2006/12/23 from ISO to long date ;-) I'm too using this format -- no more using the /mm/dd since it was misinterpreted as folder delimiters ;- -- Revolutionario

Re: New date format: YYYY-MM-DD

2005-10-15 Thread Charles Hartman
Wow -- as in, wow! Charles Hartman On Oct 14, 2005, at 9:24 PM, Ken Ray wrote: On 10/14/05 5:53 PM, Charles Hartman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe a built-in date-conversion function, with different standards as arguments controlling the output? It would be *great* to have a smart

Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO [|Not so Short]

2005-10-15 Thread SimPLsol
Or as good marketing people also say: Sell the sizzle not the steak. What it is counts for little, what it does is everything. Or as good marketing people put it: Never list a feature without describing its benefits. What is different about TAOO? And why should I care? Paul Looney

Did you get a sex change too?

2005-10-15 Thread Jim Hurley
Is it just me? revSpeechVoices(Male) yields the same speakers as reSpeechVoices(Female). Mac OS 10.4.2 Run Rev 2.6 on mouseUp put revspeechvoices(Male) into tList repeat for each line tLine in tList put tLine cr after msg box revsetSpeechVoice tLine revSpeak I've got to stop

Re: Open source collaboration [WAS: Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO]

2005-10-15 Thread david bovill
On 15 Oct 2005, at 04:03, Alex Tweedly wrote: It may be (puts on 'optimist' hat) that Rev is so much more productive that an individual can do so much more or it may be (puts on 'pessimist' hat) that the lack of a RCS / CVS / subversion equivalent makes multi-developer efforts so much

Re: Did you get a sex change too?

2005-10-15 Thread Eric Chatonet
Hi Jim, Bugzilla #2764 (June 2005) entered by Sarah. Bug noted as new but a quick test with older versions of Rev show that this bug was present since the introduction of the revSpeechVoices function (Rev 2.0). Does not help at all :-( Le 15 oct. 05 à 16:48, Jim Hurley a écrit : Is it

RE: Open source collaboration [WAS: Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vsTAOO]

2005-10-15 Thread MisterX
David, Alex Sure we need both structure and infrastructure but we need first a common programming base... Without this the rest wont follow... There's has to be goal... We know there is demand and that there is support behind. We know that there are suppliers (scripters) and lots of background

RE: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO [|Not so Short]

2005-10-15 Thread MisterX
Or as good marketing people also say: Sell the sizzle not the steak. What it is counts for little, what it does is everything. Or as good marketing people put it: Never list a feature without describing its benefits. What is different about TAOO? And why should I care? Paul Looney Paul

Re: New date format: YYYY-MM-DD

2005-10-15 Thread Rob Cozens
Aloha Sannyasin, Anyone want to vote for a new standard date format? -MM-DD I prefer a seven-digit Julian representation: DDD. Saves one character per date, and the logic for calculating the # of days between two dates and calculating the date x days before or after a given date

Re: Rev vs. AJAX...Or Web-Aware Apps vs. Web Apps

2005-10-15 Thread Todd Geist
Inspiring! On 10/15/05 12:22 AM, Judy Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The more that we actively discourage 'thinking outside of the box' (or even thinking at all), the more we damn ourselves to the present and its limitations. And then Scott countered with, On 10/15/05 1:17 AM, Scott Rossi

Re: Rev vs. AJAX...Or Web-Aware Apps vs. Web Apps

2005-10-15 Thread Jim Ault
On 10/15/05 1:17 AM, Scott Rossi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMO, the use of templates/themes is not an attempt to discourage thinking outside the box. It is an attempt to illuminate the fact that there is, in fact, a box present, which has certain properties and rules, and one must learn the

RE: Rev vs. AJAX...Or Web-Aware Apps vs. Web Apps

2005-10-15 Thread MisterX
I didn't post my previous mail on Judy's thoughts but this came out of it... When my math and cs teacher asked me what I wanted to do with the trs-80 with my for-loop sitting on the screen waiting to be executed, I didn't know what to say... what can a black and white text screen do for me? hmmm

Corrupted Software?

2005-10-15 Thread AbilityForms
Hi Everyone, Apparently somehow either my stacks have become corrupted. The problem I'm having is that objects open up to a full screen. When I drag a new button onto my stack I get a huge orange rectangle until I drop the new button, then it is the default size. Other problems are that

Re: Open source collaboration [WAS: Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO]

2005-10-15 Thread Todd Geist
On 10/14/05 7:03 PM, Alex Tweedly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the lack of a RCS / CVS / subversion equivalent makes multi-developer efforts so much harder in Rev than in other languages that it just hasn't happened. I don't know much about CVS, so I am going to ask the dumb question. Why can't

Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO [|Not so Short]

2005-10-15 Thread Dan Shafer
Xavier And now you've BEGUN the process of describing benefits. Good start. Needs to be pared down and made more succinct. My attempt earlier seems like it might be somewhat close. Dan On Oct 15, 2005, at 8:29 AM, MisterX wrote: Or as good marketing people also say: Sell the

RE: Open source collaboration [WAS: Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO]

2005-10-15 Thread MisterX
My plugin HotKeyNO2 tracks ANY change to any control and provides a rollback mechanism but I messed up in the memory subsystems requiring a rewrite... Alas it taxes a lot the environment to watch it all... I have plans to make it faster and less intrussive once other processes are in place -

Re: Did you get a sex change too?

2005-10-15 Thread Malte Brill
Same here Jim. And the most funny result of a handler I have seen (or better heared) in a while. Thanks for the demo script. :-D Is it just me? revSpeechVoices(Male) yields the same speakers as reSpeechVoices(Female). Mac OS 10.4.2 Run Rev 2.6 on mouseUp put revspeechvoices(Male)

Scripting conference this week -- forgot to mention it

2005-10-15 Thread J. Landman Gay
Today's scripting conference was canceled, due to a number of unavoidable circumstances. I meant to announce that yesterday, but somehow time got fuzzy on me and I missed announcing the change. While we did post the change to the schedule on Runtime's web site, I'm very sorry if any of you sat

Re: Corrupted Software?

2005-10-15 Thread Mark Schonewille
Hi Joe, Do the problems you describe also happen if you reinstall Revolution and make a completely new stack, without opening other stacks first? Do you have a screenshot of the orange rectangle? Which version of Rev are you using? Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Everyone, Apparently

Standalone in Windows

2005-10-15 Thread Ronald Zellner
I have a Splash Screen stack that opens a main stack so the standalone will save. I use the Splash Screen stack to create the standalone. Functionally, everything works with the OSX standalone, the problem is with the Windows: The main problem is when the .exe file is opened it produces an

RE: Standalone in Windows

2005-10-15 Thread MisterX
is the splashscreen or mainstack whichever available? Are they substacks or? haven't seen that error here... cheers Xavier -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ronald Zellner Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 8:52 PM To:

on the topic of TAOO and other solo projects.

2005-10-15 Thread Andre Garzia
Xavier, maybe the problem with TAOO is that it's so tuned to your workflow and the way you think, that we're not able to understand it due to the fact we're not you. Sometimes we build software to serve our own necessity and those softwares are the hardest to explain for they need to

Re: Math wizardry

2005-10-15 Thread Roger . E . Eller
On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 05:13:44 -0800, Jim Hurley wrote to Jim MaConnell: Jim, Perhaps even easier would be to define a function which determines the *geometrical* angle associated with a line in Run Rev. Any geometrical line rotated 180 degrees is the same geometrical line. Therefore the

what in the TAO is happening?

2005-10-15 Thread MisterX
Sure we need both structure and infrastructure but Honey - you are about as structured as a hurricane on toast! To develop the structure for TAOO and it's rev infrastructure I needed a new more flexible structure than PHPNuke so I've laid out a new site thanks to wiki which affords real

Re: Did you get a sex change too?

2005-10-15 Thread Jim Hurley
Message: 9 Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 17:10:18 +0200 From: Eric Chatonet [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Did you get a sex change too? To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi

Re: Did you get a sex change too?

2005-10-15 Thread Dennis Brown
Jump up on soapbox with flame thrower! It makes my blood boil when easy to fix bugs are not fixed because they are not high priority problems. There is nothing more frustrating than having to put in temporary work around code forever. Rediscovering the same bug over and over again in the

Re: Hello science in TAOO [long]

2005-10-15 Thread Dennis Brown
Xavier, I have kept quiet about my opinion of TAOO until now. But with all the stuff flying around, I figured I could weigh in without being the center of controversy. I am not a fast typist, so I hope you can appreciate my efforts at providing some constructive criticism. Every time

Re: [FIX] libSmtp 2.5.2 bugfix (apologies to the list members)

2005-10-15 Thread Chipp Walters
Thanks for posting it Sean. I think it's completely appropriate to post fixes here! best, Chipp Sean Shao wrote: Sorry to post this to the mailing list, but I figure that the majority of the SMTP library users are subscribed. ___ use-revolution

Re: Math wizardry

2005-10-15 Thread Alex Tweedly
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Jim(s), I was trying to use this function with a real-world problem and it isn't giving me the result (an angle between 1 and 360) that I expected. I have an image object (a scan of some text). The image wasn't scanned straight, so I thought I would draw a

Re: Open source collaboration [WAS: Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO]

2005-10-15 Thread Richard Gaskin
Alex Tweedly wrote: I think it's an interesting characteristic of Rev - there is a huge amount freely given open source Rev stacks. But, as far as I know, there have been few examples of successful, completed *collaborative* open source developments in Rev. The MetaCard IDE has been

Re: what in the TAO is happening?

2005-10-15 Thread Chipp Walters
MisterX wrote: if they can understand ajax or ruby on rails, and they can understand rev, im sure they can understand TAOO! And I do think I try to exemplify what I say to avoid this. Should I mention also it does pie charts and how good that is for your business like a certain office type of

Re: Revolution back to HyperCard

2005-10-15 Thread Revinfo1155
Thank you guys for posting the find script for message box. I've been trying to get that done for a year. Now for a related question. In hypercard you could build a standalone which included a message box. Can this be done in Rev? Jack ___

Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO [|Not so Short]

2005-10-15 Thread simplsol
Xavier, 1. Give me an example of a stack more easily made in TAOO than in Rev. 2. Show me a specific example of auto-organizing 3. Show me an example of auto-relating I really don't know what you are talking about. Paul Looney -Original Message- From: MisterX [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'How

Re: Rev vs. AJAX...Or Web-Aware Apps vs. Web Apps

2005-10-15 Thread Judy Perry
And, I would agree IF it were demonstrable that this is what actually happens. I just don't think it does. I don't see it happening among either faculty OR students. On a bit of a bummer midway through grading midterm exams. Sorry. :-( Judy On Sat, 15 Oct 2005, Scott Rossi wrote: IMO, the

Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO [|Not so Short]

2005-10-15 Thread Judy Perry
Or, sell it for what people think it will do for them ala use this shampoo and you can have your own 'When Harry Met Sally' moment. ;-) Judy On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or as good marketing people also say: Sell the sizzle not the steak. What it is counts for little, what

Re: Scripting conference this week -- forgot to mention it

2005-10-15 Thread Mark Wieder
Jacque- Saturday, October 15, 2005, 10:53:11 AM, you wrote: Today's scripting conference was canceled, due to a number of unavoidable circumstances. I meant to announce that yesterday, but Just a heads-up: Jerry's conference in two weeks will also not take place, though his stack will be

Re: Rev vs. AJAX...Or Web-Aware Apps vs. Web Apps

2005-10-15 Thread Mark Wieder
Judy- Saturday, October 15, 2005, 5:36:56 PM, you wrote: And, I would agree IF it were demonstrable that this is what actually happens. I just don't think it does. I don't see it happening among either faculty OR students. My observation is that Scott is one of those rare folks who are

RE: on the topic of TAOO

2005-10-15 Thread MisterX
I'll try to give a few short answers as this starts to really get detailed or repetivive one way or the other... ;) First, I want to thank all those who had written back. Andre wrote maybe the problem with TAOO is that it's so tuned to your workflow and the way you think, that we're not able

Re: FTP very SlooooW!

2005-10-15 Thread Sivakatirswami
Please add this to the Super Bloopers list for future reference. I've been emailing Dave on the side about my molasses FTP handlers... today I found the problem. I was not clearing my ftp log field on start up. This means that field contained the transcripts, appended, day after day, for

Re: FTP very SlooooW!

2005-10-15 Thread kee nethery
On Oct 15, 2005, at 9:24 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote: While this solves the slow down problem, it also says something Rev's speed issues, when large amounts of data are be handled in fields. I suspect, were I to try it, that appending that data to a disk on file probably would not affect

RE: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO [|Not so Short]

2005-10-15 Thread MisterX
Paul Xavier, 1. Give me an example of a stack more easily made in TAOO than in Rev. DiscreteBrowser, TAOO documentation, Science... Different applications, same GUIs 2. Show me a specific example of auto-organizing The category or keyword or link based index is still in the works so I

OT: Wikis

2005-10-15 Thread Sivakatirswami
start my favorite tools besides rev We see frequent mention of wikis here... if you haven't tried it or just getting started with wiki's PMWiki is absolutely fabulous in terms of flexibility, easy of admin and online support. 100% PHP but you don't have to know a drop of PHP to get it up

Re: Rev vs. AJAX...Or Web-Aware Apps vs. Web Apps

2005-10-15 Thread Judy Perry
Mark, I don't doubt Scott's sincerity at all. Nor do I doubt Chipp's or Dan's or ... That's part of my argument: They're not the people likely to be seduced by the persuasive technology. I'm in agreement with Chipp re: the 'copying the Masters' philosophy: except that Microsoft doesn't begin