As a first-class creative XTalk's geek and a real smart people,
Xavier has always been from the ones whose did our rev-list
community more interssant, friendly and helpfull. To read Xavier's
mails and to exchange design skills with him was always funny and
helpfull. It's a sad news to have
On Feb 24, 2006, at 9:00 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
[snip]
Or will the USPTO let me patent air?
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Richard Gaskin
Where do I send my check for my license to use your patented
air? :-) Oh, one question though, does that air already contain
bugs? and are you taking any steps to remove
Recently, Garrett Hylltun wrote:
Or will the USPTO let me patent air?
Where do I send my check for my license to use your patented
air? :-) Oh, one question though, does that air already contain
bugs? and are you taking any steps to remove those bugs from the
air? You know I expect my
Bob Warren wrote:
Gilberto Cuba showed me how to remove the title bar in Linux. It's
incredibly simple and makes sense:
After setting the decorations to empty, in the stack's properties (Size
Position), uncheck Resizable.
That's it! (Makes me feel a right twit**.)
Thanks very much
You wrote:
Recently, Garrett Hylltun wrote:
Or will the USPTO let me patent air?
Where do I send my check for my license to use your patented air? :-)
Oh, one question though, does that air already contain bugs? and are you
taking any steps to remove those bugs from the air? You
Judy Perry wrote:
1. It being optional didn't stop it from destroying accessibility to
verbose Lingo in Director. Latecomers to Director didn't have any other
learning options or choices than dot.speak.
Yes, I think that's a danger, especially if a large part of the audience
for books
On 2/25/06, Marty Knapp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have a card with an assortment of objects - native Rev graphic images,
text fields and possibly an imported jpg, png or gif image (some of
these could overlap each other). I'm using the export as snapshot to a
jpeg, but would be interested to
wow Dan
im moved by those words in a serious way! I reassure you nothing is lost,
it's only transformed... Opportunity cost and an open mind for alternatives
and opportunities is what I like in this new life away from the computer...
Dan, You're one of the best and really wished I could write
Nice sentiment, but it's hard to be cool with people that are so
short sighted, so inflexible and seem hell bent on ruining their own
business.
Anyway. Enough of that! Thanks for all the help Xavier you will be
missed greatly.
All the VERY Best
Dave
On 24 Feb 2006, at 17:01, MisterX
On 2/25/06, David Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 25/02/2006, Garrett Hylltun [EMAIL PROTECTED] and
Gregory Lypny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote stuff.
Sorry to others for some repetitious elements in here but I see a
couple of basic themes in the offerings from Garrett and Gregory
Hi everyone,
I think that the things must be clear in these stormy days: everyone
may give his opinion in democracy :-)
So, I forward to the list a private email I sent to Xavier yesterday.
Yes, Xavier, Rev looses much more than you.
They loose a passionate evangelist with a new idea each
I am having the same problem. In my case, I tried downloading the
installer for Dreamcard (several times) from this page:
http://downloads.runrev.com/dreamcard/ ... The installer downloads OK,
but then, on expanding, the following message appears:
An error has occurred while expanding the
You're not alone.
I also haven't been able to upgrade my mac to OSX either.
--yes I am connected to the Internet.
I've been too busy to try very hard and I am in no rush (always let others find
the problems and upgrade to x.1 version ;-)
Still, I'm feeling ready to move up. 2.7 (on XP --no bugs
Hi Ryno and Tom,
You're not alone.
I also haven't been able to upgrade my mac to OSX either.
--yes I am connected to the Internet.
I've been too busy to try very hard and I am in no rush (always let
others find the problems and upgrade to x.1 version ;-)
I'd strongly advice RunRev to drop
Please contact RunRev at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Instead of hoping and waiting just email them and ask what you can
do. Contrary to what a few passionate users have said the RunRev team
has always been more than willing to help out. They will help you too
if you ask.
Tom
On Feb 25, 2006, at
On 2/25/06, Marty Knapp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have a card with an assortment of objects - native Rev graphic images,
text fields and possibly an imported jpg, png or gif image (some of
these could overlap each other). I'm using the export as snapshot to a
jpeg, but would be interested to
On 2/25/06, Marty Knapp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have a card with an assortment of objects - native Rev graphic images,
text fields and possibly an imported jpg, png or gif image (some of
these could overlap each other). I'm using the export as snapshot to a
jpeg, but would be interested to
Hi all--except Mr. X :{(
So if Transcript does go object-oriented -- and I hope and believe it
will, though it may be an alternative fork rather than a forced switch
-- I hope it *does* in fact adopt dot notation so that all of us who
have trained our brains to think in those terms when we
On Feb 24, 2006, at 1:39 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
Sivakatirswami wrote:
I meant an independent palette that set text properties for the
selected text or object. Text Tools I vaguely recall we had
that once.
Sounds like it may have been a custom plugin. If you look in your
Plugins
Hi Everyone,
Unfortunately, I am in the same position as Xavier and Eric.
I am not reading any of the rev lists anymore, so please contact me
privately or copy my email on things you would like me to read.
My support to the fantastic xTalk language continues, as does my
support to this
I agree. Any extension to transcript should surely be as natural to
it as possible. Adopting non-xTalk-like syntax wholesale from other
languages would make any real OO stuff more like using applescript or
VBScript in Rev, which is fine and useful, but would tend to be
attractive only to
I am having the same problem. In my case, I tried downloading the
installer for Dreamcard (several times) from this page:
http://downloads.runrev.com/dreamcard/ ... The installer downloads OK,
but then, on expanding, the following message appears:
An error has occurred while expanding the file
Dan, et al:
Voting says This is my relative (among outstanding bugs) priority for
fixing the bug.
Consider voting as contributing to a proposed budget for RRLtd's RD +
Support:
RRLtd gives you the opportunity to distribute $100 [ie 100 votes] among
all the outstanding bug reports and
On Feb 22, 2006, at 11:17 PM, Geoff Canyon wrote:
I had forgotten that option. I've done this, and re-uploaded. You
can get the updated (reverted? dis-updated?) stack from the
inspiredlogic.com web site.
I should point out that this is a free update for people who have
previously
Take a look at Universal Document Converter (UDC) at
http://www.print-driver.com It allows you to print to JPG, PNG, etc. from
any application; even from rev stacks. This is a PC solution, however it
can be shared as a network printer that is accessible by Macs.
I guess it's not so
Bob-
Saturday, February 25, 2006, 2:01:03 AM, you wrote:
Declaration of interest. In case anyone has seen Dr. Bob in the past in my
sig, I'm not a medic but a Cell Biologist.
Are you in a Cell because you tried to file that patent? g
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On 2/24/06, Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When a patent is found to be without merit with so many millions of
prior art examples, does the patent filer pay a penalty to the USPTO for
wasting their time?
Or will the USPTO let me patent air?
--
Richard Gaskin
Managing Editor,
Thanks Roger and Sarah,
As my stack will be used by others, I need a more portable solution than
the UDC and I need Windows and Mac solution. I did compare exporting as
snapshot in the jpeg and png formats and the png format seems to have a
bit more quality. The exported image will be printed
Facilitating high resolution PDF export of screens should be a high-
priority feature for future releases of Rev, in my opinion.
Mark
On Feb 25, 2006, at 10:49 AM, Marty Knapp wrote:
Thanks Roger and Sarah,
As my stack will be used by others, I need a more portable solution
than the UDC
I like obtuse, Dan... Much more my level than abstruce.
/H
Thanks, Scott, for the kind words. There are times -- and this
weekend promises to be one of them -- when unsolicited testimonials
make a lot of what goes into writing these things so worthwhile that I
forget for a while my
I do this often, Marty. Select AdobePDF as your printer from the print
dialog. Someone else may be able to tell you how to do this progamatically,
however.
/H
On 2/25/06, Marty Knapp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have a card with an assortment of objects - native Rev graphic images,
Pierre Sahores wrote:
It's a desolation... I can't understand what happen RunRev Team. Are
you sure you wanted to drive us, the historical Xtalk's developpers and
fellows, in a so critical way ?
They don't want to do that. The problem here is that no one has the
whole story. RR has been
Stephen Barncard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Roger Eller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
.. This is a PC solution, however it
can be shared as a network printer that is accessible by Macs.
I guess it's not so 'universal' at all...
sqb
Ah, so you want it to be 'Mac'
He said Cell nor Celled.
On 2/25/06 2:35 PM, Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bob-
Saturday, February 25, 2006, 2:01:03 AM, you wrote:
Declaration of interest. In case anyone has seen Dr. Bob in the past in my
sig, I'm not a medic but a Cell Biologist.
Are you in a Cell because
Yes, the OSX Print to PDF is a great solution ... for the Mac. But is
there something similar for the PC?
In my collection of Rev stacks, there's one called Save Vectors to
PDF.rev that converts native Rev graphics to high-rez PDFs. It seems a
bit over my head. I'm not sure who put it
If and when
this patent gets prosecuted, it won't be against a small company.
Outfits that patent these kinds of things go after huge fish first and
hope everyone else falls into line thereafter.
Sometimes they go after a small fish whose legal defense funds they can
exhaust. Thus armed with a
For the record I want to say that when I installed Rev 2.7 on XP I had
crashes many times a day as well. That makes three of us on this list that
had severe problems and had to roll back to 2.6.1, loosing time and work.
For me, the crashes seemed to occur more often than not when selecting and
Amen, Rob.
If it is OO *capabilities* that are desired, then fine: just provide them
in a natural-language manner (e.g., keep it transparent).
But the language paradigm simply cannot be allowed to be converted from a
focused, internally-consistent one into the mishm-mash of whatever (VB
syntax?
For the record I want to say that when I installed Rev 2.7 on XP I had
crashes many times a day as well. That makes three of us on this list that
had severe problems and had to roll back to 2.6.1, loosing time and work.
For me, the crashes seemed to occur more often than not when selecting and
At 4:25 PM -0600 2/24/2006, Peter T. Evensen wrote:
send go to traffic light...
That works for methods, but how about functions?
I have never liked the current transcript syntax of
Value(GetCurrentColor(), TrafficLight).TrafficLight.GetColor()
is much more readable, in my opinion.
On 2/25/06 1:31 PM, Judy Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Amen, Rob.
If it is OO *capabilities* that are desired, then fine: just provide them
in a natural-language manner (e.g., keep it transparent).
But the language paradigm simply cannot be allowed to be converted from a
focused,
All-
Is revOnline usable? I no longer seem able to upload stacks. I get an
There was an error executing a script in stack revOnlineSubstack
1140911382680. No more information is available because the stack is
password protected.
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I have a dastardly curse on me. I pray that some kind soul can help.
I have developed several application using Revolution Dreamcard 2.6
I was so happy with the products that I developed that I wanted to
make them into standalones to share. So I updated Dreamcard to the
latest Studio. I
David,
Which operating system are you on and what exactly do you do
before, while and after making the standalones?
Best,
Mark
David Mendriski wrote:
snip
of the application only appears for a fraction of a
second in the menu bar, which then reverts to the finder. Nothing is
launched,
Since I started this conversation, I figured i ought to jump back in.
In no way do I think Rev should do way with Bugzilla. Publicly
disclosing bugs is useful. And it lends an air of credibility to one's
products that is hard to attain any other way. Getting the community's
input on what bugs
I don't know of any cases like this and it seems like it would be a
pretty ineffective strategy but I wouldn't put it past anyone.
On 2/25/06, Jim Lambert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If and when
this patent gets prosecuted, it won't be against a small company.
Outfits that patent these kinds of
Seems like there's a fair bit of paranoia abroad in this land. Just
making dot syntax an alternative -- or even implementing OO syntax
using it -- doesn't have to corrupt the underlying Transcript syntax
*except* for those people who choose an OO approach to their Rev
projects. Hand-wringing
On 26/02/2006, at 0:50, Sarah Reichelt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
snip
To digress slightly, I think the reason Rev appears to have so many
bugs is because it is so versatile. We all use Rev in different ways
to do widely different projects. I ignore some bugs because I never do
the things they
On 26 Feb 2006, at 02:01, Dan Shafer wrote:
I'm not saying those are the *only* choices but they're the big ones.
So I'd rather have OO with the current syntax and acceptable
performance :)
Mark
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I just uploaded/shared a stack on friday.
Tom
On Feb 25, 2006, at 6:54 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
All-
Is revOnline usable? I no longer seem able to upload stacks. I get an
There was an error executing a script in stack revOnlineSubstack
1140911382680. No more information is available because
David,
Send me the stack and I will try to build on Mac OSX and WinXP.
Tom
On Feb 25, 2006, at 7:56 PM, David Mendriski wrote:
I have a dastardly curse on me. I pray that some kind soul can help.
I have developed several application using Revolution Dreamcard
2.6 I was so happy with the
Dot-syntax blows. xTalk doesn't.
The problem with allowing radically different syntax conventions is
that you may soon wind up with a tool like *CENSORED*, where you can
mix and match the syntaxes of *CENSORED*, and pretty soon ask
yourself, why did I learn *CENSORED* and avoid learning
Hi Marty,
i have made a stack to export vectors to pdf.
It is possible to create a stack that export
text to pdf. Roger Eller sent me this stack long time ago.
Now, the missing piece is exporting bitmap images to pdf.
Who have the time to solve this task?
alejandro
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I have had similar experiences to Dave. I have a fairly substantial
client/server app, a student records system, using MySQL, and typically
with 15 to 20 concurrent users on Win2K or XP (latest service packs).
The app is launched from a read-only network volume. Rev 2.6.1 was very
stable, both
Before I start a research project, let me ask: if your platform is
Mac OSX and you want to make application icons for both Mac and
Windows: what are our best tools?
= some balance between
-easy to use,
-produces nice icons,
-not too expensive and
-doesn't have a UI 400 tools of which you
Yes, perhaps (I don't agree, but obviously others would)...
However...
You now have TWO different ways of reading Transcript.
How do you know when and how?
And what if VB syntax gets added? and ... whatever else it is syntax that
people can already do in some other pre-existing perfectly
Dave Beck wrote:
For the record I want to say that when I installed Rev 2.7 on XP I had
crashes many times a day as well.
As odd as it may sound, this is actually good news, since it gives
Runtime another data point. Do you have a crash log you could send in?
That would help. If I remember
Nonetheless, as a result, Dan,
Lingo became unlearnable/unapproachable from a verbos syntax point of
view. And now it's dead. And, yes, the available books/list syntax
help/whatever played a HUGE part. Handwringing has substantially less to
do with it than the absolute dearth of verbose syntax
David Mendriski wrote:
I have a dastardly curse on me. I pray that some kind soul can help.
It isn't just you. :)
I have developed several application using Revolution Dreamcard 2.6 I
was so happy with the products that I developed that I wanted to make
them into standalones to share.
Judy,
I'm not saying this *should* be done, so please take it
in the spirit it is meant, that is pure discussional value.
Given your list of choices, I'm forced to select (a). When
you're done, will there be sufficient remaining existing and
potential users to keep the company afloat?
The
My Gosh, Judy, you do get emotional about the strangest stuff. Lighten
up. This is a theoretical discussion about language syntax, not a
public policy decision that could result in the deaths of millions.
Yeesh.
I'll deal with your personal insult off-list because I don't believe
in responding
On Feb 25, 2006, at 9:50 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:
My Gosh, Judy, you do get emotional about the strangest stuff. Lighten
up. This is a theoretical discussion about language syntax, not a
public policy decision that could result in the deaths of millions.
Yeesh.
I'll deal with your personal
On Feb 25, 2006, at 9:55 PM, Scott Kane wrote:
[snip]
It's a compromise. X-Talks for those that want it or .notation for
those
that do not. It's not a far stretch as many development platform
Wouldn't it be smarter to just leave Rev alone and simply produce
another standalone product
Scott,
Creating a .notation of Rev will NOT keep strict x-Talkers happy. I may
be the most vocal opponent, but I suspect I am far, far, from the only
one.
And, well, probably *everyone's* happy that I'm not in charge... ;-)
Judy
On Sun, 26 Feb 2006, Scott Kane wrote:
Judy,
The Mac end of
Wouldn't it be smarter to just leave Rev alone and simply produce
another standalone product that fits the dot. ideals?
Don't even mix the two at all, just make separate products.
It would
be totally asinine to mutilate Rev into some abomination.
Err - that's exactly the intention of
Dan,
Wait a minute...
*MY* personal insult??? Weren't you the one who dealt my argument the
death blow of being mere paranoia? After having personally resurrected
it from irrelevantdom?
Does it get more personal than that? I am paranoid therefore my arguments
need not be considered?
And I
Judy,
Creating a .notation of Rev will NOT keep strict x-Talkers
happy. I may be the most vocal opponent, but I suspect I am
far, far, from the only one.
Why would a version of a product that you yourself would
never use be something you'd be opposed to? I'm not sure
I follow you...
Is there a Transcript implementation of dot syntax? Or how do non-dot
people learn about the benefits of dots? If the dot folks could wrap the
dots within Transcript handlers, maybe they could offer a dot library, like
libDot. Or could a macro language do the trick? What do dots enable that
Is there a Transcript implementation of dot syntax? Or how
do non-dot people learn about the benefits of dots? If the
dot folks could wrap the dots within Transcript handlers,
maybe they could offer a dot library, like libDot. Or could
a macro language do the trick? What do dots
Let's end this thread. It serves no useful purpose.
While I wholeheartedly agree, I do think it is crucial that any
lurkers out there recognize that Xavier's issues with Rev had nothing
to do with Rev as a development environment--despite what his initial
post may have suggested. As for
Greetings,
How do I delete one field of data from a delimited string? Such as:
item 1,item 2, item 3, item 4
And I want to delete item 3 from the delimited string so that I end
up with:
item 1,item 2, item 4
Thanks,
-Garrett
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