Re: [OT] Re: [ANN] tRev's new 'decoder' now showing...video is up!

2009-08-26 Thread Dick Kriesel
Thanks, Jerry, and you're welcome. The behavior of your breakpoint is so different from Rev's that I can imagine wanting to use both. So I'd prefer you to distinguish the two: breakpoint and, say, tRev_checkpoint. uRIP resolves the name space thing. tRev, instead of inserting the string

Re: [OT] Re: [ANN] tRev's new 'decoder' now showing...video is up!

2009-08-26 Thread Chipp Walters
Jerry, Most cool-- way to go with some serious out of the box thinking on this one. Personally, I prefer the simplest approach. I can remember what the word 'breakpoint' means, not sure if I can remember alexpoint, or lenpoint, or some sort of fancy graphic which shows up in a funny color on my

Re: [OT] Re: [ANN] tRev's new 'decoder' now showing...video is up!

2009-08-26 Thread Sarah Reichelt
Personally, I prefer the simplest approach. I can remember what the word 'breakpoint' means, not sure if I can remember alexpoint, or lenpoint, or some sort of fancy graphic which shows up in a funny color on my Vista computer. I agree with this. And I wouldn't want any accidental lenpoints

Re: [OT] Re: [ANN] tRev's new 'decoder' now showing...video is up!

2009-08-26 Thread Robert Maniquant
Food for thoughts.. Hi, I also rely heavily on put as soon as I notice a problem arise. I like to follow what's happening (into handler ZZ with value of EE=zz ) I dreamed of an aware decoder which would allow me just a) select a few variables (among global, handlers and function parameters,

Re: [OT] Re: [ANN] tRev's new 'decoder' now showing...video is up!

2009-08-26 Thread Jerry Daniels
Dick, I wise man told me: when in doubt, leave it out. I'm in doubt. I really do want to keep tRev simple. It's breakpoints are easy enough to spot for now. -- simplicity: http://reveditor.com/avoiding-big-and-complicated-in-trev Meantime I _will_ do the following: 1. Get our new Raptor

Re: [OT] Re: [ANN] tRev's new 'decoder' now showing...video is up!

2009-08-26 Thread Jerry Daniels
Robert, I like the idea of creating reports using data from tRev breakpoints-- as you and others are suggesting. Time would be a natural parameter for such reports. Reports can be sequestered from the general workflow of the app, also. So I am in favor of it, given enough time and sales

[OT] Re: [ANN] tRev's new 'decoder' now showing...video is up!

2009-08-25 Thread Alex Tweedly
Jerry Daniels wrote: Here's the link to the video showing how tRev's decoder works to help you debug your code. http://reveditor.com/de-construct-your-code-with-trevs-decoder-0 This video talks about tRev and the new feature called 'decoder', but also has a fairly in-depth discussion of

Re: [OT] Re: [ANN] tRev's new 'decoder' now showing...video is up!

2009-08-25 Thread Jerry Daniels
Alex, I would love to change the name of our breakpoints to alexpoints or lenpoints or kevpoints, but alas, I cannot. Only the keyword breakpoint will cause the tracebreak message to be sent to tRev's frontscript in Rev where it stores the full context into a database. It's this data

Re: [OT] Re: [ANN] tRev's new 'decoder' now showing...video is up!

2009-08-25 Thread Jerry Daniels
Hey, Dick! Good to hear from you. I would need to deal with the whole name space thing...if some other program used checkpoint, etc. Using breakpoint has two sizeable advantages over alternatives (now that I'm really considering your suggestion): 1. I don't have to worry about another

Re: [OT] Re: [ANN] tRev's new 'decoder' now showing...video is up!

2009-08-25 Thread Brian Yennie
Off the cusp idea -- what about just making breakpoints completely visual in tRev? Perhaps use an image with an arrow and some sort of useful icon? That way you'd maintain the use of actual breakpoints for all of the reasons you outlined, but just give the user something tRev- specific to

Re: [OT] Re: [ANN] tRev's new 'decoder' now showing...video is up!

2009-08-25 Thread Brian Yennie
Jerry, I was honestly lukewarm about this at first as a heavy user of full debuggers, but I'm definitely warming up to it. Fact is, that about half the time I use a debugger and half the time I just litter my scripts with put statements. This is a nice middle ground approach. With that

Re: [OT] Re: [ANN] tRev's new 'decoder' now showing...video is up!

2009-08-25 Thread Dick Kriesel
On 8/25/09 3:18 PM, Jerry Daniels jerry.dani...@me.com wrote: I agree TOTALLY with the request, but alas, Rev forbids it. Hi, Jerry. Could you proceed without Rev's traceback message? on mouseUp put 1 into t1 put 2 into t2 checkPoint end mouseUp command checkPoint set the

Re: [OT] Re: [ANN] tRev's new 'decoder' now showing...video is up!

2009-08-25 Thread Jerry Daniels
Brian, Have you ever noticed the dots in Rev's debugger? How, if your script has very many lines at all, the dots can't keep pace with scrolling, returns, etc.? I have. Not pretty, to say the least. So, no images floating around for me, thank you. Also, keeping a separate array of

Re: [OT] Re: [ANN] tRev's new 'decoder' now showing...video is up!

2009-08-25 Thread Jerry Daniels
Brian, Your ideas for where this is going, they mirror my own. Cool. SO...what're you waitin' for? Also, don't forget to get a mug or a tShirt. Best, Jerry Daniels Watch tRev - The Movie http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie On Aug 25, 2009, at 7:19 PM, Brian Yennie wrote: Jerry, I was

Re: [OT] Re: [ANN] tRev's new 'decoder' now showing...video is up!

2009-08-25 Thread Brian Yennie
Jerry, I was thinking more of an inline image than the Rev dot next to a line. It would occupy a line of its own. Doesn't make much of a difference to me, but seemed like an alternative to the concerns about terminology. For example: on mouseUp put 1 into someVar BREAKPOINT

Re: [OT] Re: [ANN] tRev's new 'decoder' now showing...video is up!

2009-08-25 Thread Brian Yennie
Always my favorite confirmation that something is worth pursuing -- when multiple people dream it up independently =). I honestly don't have any current Rev projects right now, but I'll keep my eye fixed on tRev for the next one that comes along! And since we seem to be on the same page,

Re: [OT] Re: [ANN] tRev's new 'decoder' now showing...video is up!

2009-08-25 Thread Jerry Daniels
I don't really think the breakpoint terminology will hurt and it does help with cross-editor considerations, etc. Code is all about text, afterall. Best, Jerry Daniels Watch tRev - The Movie http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie On Aug 25, 2009, at 8:15 PM, Brian Yennie wrote: Jerry, I was

Re: [OT] Re: [ANN] tRev's new 'decoder' now showing...video is up!

2009-08-25 Thread Jerry Daniels
Thanks, Brian. Best, Jerry Daniels Watch tRev - The Movie http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie On Aug 25, 2009, at 8:18 PM, Brian Yennie wrote: Always my favorite confirmation that something is worth pursuing -- when multiple people dream it up independently =). I honestly don't have any

Re: [OT] Re: [ANN] tRev's new 'decoder' now showing...video is up!

2009-08-25 Thread Len Morgan
If it's all about text, could you not replace the DISPLAYED word Breakpoint to LenPoint ONLY IN THE TREV DISPLAY. Leave the real word as breakpoint when you save the file but when you show me the script, just do a global substitution. Everybody's happy. Just a thought... len morgan Jerry

Re: [OT] Re: [ANN] tRev's new 'decoder' now showing...video is up!

2009-08-25 Thread Jerry Daniels
I have indeed done something very similar to this. It was called a pre- compiler. Is it worth it for a word? What is really gained? What is the benefit? There is a cost to everything we do, of course. On Aug 25, 2009, at 10:08 PM, Len Morgan wrote: If it's all about text, could you not