Dan,
I love that term Inventive User. However, I find that this puts me
in quite a pickle. Into which category do I fall ?
I wrote programs in :
Algol - 1963
Fortran - 1964 (English Electric Leo)
IBM 1401 Machine Code 1965 - 1966
IBM 1401 Assembler - 1966 - 1968
IBM 360/370 Assembler - 1966 -
Francis.
You make an important point. A professional programmer can *also* be an
Inventive User. And in fact that changes with time and perhaps place and
certainly with conditions. One of the brightest Smalltalk programmers I ever
worked with absolutely *loved* HyperCard and HyperTalk. He'd
Maybe I'm just stubborn. (Naw, couldn't be!) :-)
But, dammit Lynn, I believe I'm not being too immodest when I say that I'm
the inventor of the term inventive user and that that gives me *some*
standing in defining it.
Chipp and I talked about this a bit on the phone earlier. My view is that if
Dan,
I wish I was an inventive user. It sounds fun. But I do this for a
living and was trained--initially by a small Chinese woman from
Southern Illinois University with a very high voice and a love of
punch cards--in 1968.
I use Revolution because I like it and can make a living at it.
Then I stand corrected. And it's nice to know that there are some trained
professional programmers out there in RevolutionLand!
On 3/31/06, Jerry Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dan,
I wish I was an inventive user. It sounds fun. But I do this for a
living and was trained--initially by a
Maybe I'm just stubborn. (Naw, couldn't be!) :-)
But, dammit Lynn, I believe I'm not being too immodest when I
say that I'm the inventor of the term inventive user and
that that gives me *some* standing in defining it.
Its okay if we have one inventive user, but invective users have to go
Here, here!
It IS the sweet spot.. and relegating it to the none of the above spot
in my view at least, damns us to the fuhgettabuddit spot of
never-neverLand.
I mean, I DO use the none of the above' in multiple-guess exams... and
only rarely is it used to support an intelligent guess.
I
Damn... that's my favorite category :-)
Judy
he that knows little oft repeats it...
On Fri, 31 Mar 2006, Lynn Fredricks wrote:
Its okay if we have one inventive user, but invective users have to go :-)
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Ahhh...,
But, you see, *I*'ve seen DarkShadows enough times so as to be able to
recognize the symptoms!
Been watching it since I was 3-4 years old. Even though it went off the
air in 1971 (here's where Parallel Time comes in handy) ;-)
Judy
On Wed, 29 Mar 2006, Lynn Fredricks wrote:
But, you see, *I*'ve seen DarkShadows enough times so as to
be able to recognize the symptoms!
Been watching it since I was 3-4 years old. Even though it
went off the air in 1971 (here's where Parallel Time comes in
handy) ;-)
It must be a side effect of Jacque's time travel stack,
Thanks, Dan!
I had begun to wonder if I had somewhere inadvertently stepped into a
weird parallel time universe...
Judy
On Tue, 28 Mar 2006, Dan Shafer wrote:
Lynn..
Say WHAT?
Are you saying no such market exists? That would seem to me to be a strange
conclusion to be drawn by
Thanks, Dan!
I had begun to wonder if I had somewhere inadvertently
stepped into a weird parallel time universe...
Judy
But how would you know werent already in one?;-)
Best regards,
Lynn Fredricks
Worldwide Business Operations
Runtime Revolution, Ltd
I have all that stuff AND a MIG welder. I also bought the tool that was on
sale at Sears every Saturday... Jim
on 3/28/06 5:26 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:
Dennis Brown wrote:
Well, All I can say to that is I also bought a Swiss army knife,
bought the Shop Smith (do everything woodworking
Hey Jim,
Maybe you, Dennis and I should meet at Harbor Freight and just go wild.
Love that place.
-Chipp
Jim Carwardine wrote:
I have all that stuff AND a MIG welder. I also bought the tool that was on
sale at Sears every Saturday... Jim
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They just opened one near me a few months ago. I get all the sale
stuff before I need it --it costs a lot more if you wait until after
you need it! I have been buying the stuff off the catalog covers
(1/2 off) for many years. Built a house with a lot of HF tools. :-)
Dennis
On Mar 29,
--- Jim Carwardine
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have all that stuff AND a MIG welder. I also
bought the tool that was on
sale at Sears every Saturday... Jim
i know a guy who RESTORED a (Mittsubishi?)
MIG. mainly Craftsmen with some SnapOn.
Erik Hansen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hey Jim,
Maybe you, Dennis and I should meet at Harbor Freight and just go wild.
Love that place.
I love these sort of tools. Had a welder gas torches, on bulky trash day
I'd load the pick-up truck with old bed frames other scrap metal. Brought
home the front end of an old Rambler (American
Indeed, Dan Dennis, isn't this one of THE primary differences between
the way DOS was designed/improved and the Mac OS?
I wish I could cite chapter and verse at this point, but, I'm brain-dead
(okay -- I'll say it before any of you: more brain-dead than usual), and
yet I could all but swear that
Judy Perry wrote:
Indeed, Dan Dennis, isn't this one of THE primary differences between
the way DOS was designed/improved and the Mac OS?
I wish I could cite chapter and verse at this point, but, I'm brain-dead
(okay -- I'll say it before any of you: more brain-dead than usual), and
yet I
Okay, I'll grant that, but this assessment seems more
generalized than a specific response.
Right - when it comes to anything related to business strategy, I cannot be
very specific for competitive market reasons.
As for Media, at $49 and with a boatload of templates, what's
not to like
Indeed, Richard,
That's the very point I would make about Hypercard: that it accomodated
all levels of users.
I'm certainly not making the point that mouse-based interaction is
superior/preferrable/etc. as oppposed to keyboard-based interaction. Only
that GUIs were initially designed to stress
Well, All I can say to that is I also bought a Swiss army knife,
bought the Shop Smith (do everything woodworking power center),
bought the Ryobi Power-One do everything portable power tool kit,
Bought a color laser printer (for the price of just the included
expendables) that has
Dennis Brown wrote:
Well, All I can say to that is I also bought a Swiss army knife,
bought the Shop Smith (do everything woodworking power center), bought
the Ryobi Power-One do everything portable power tool kit, Bought a
color laser printer (for the price of just the included
Lynn..
Say WHAT?
Are you saying no such market exists? That would seem to me to be a strange
conclusion to be drawn by someone who has such major influence over the
marketing of a product that certainly can't be seen as appealing *primarily*
to serious professional programmers who have
Say WHAT?
Are you saying no such market exists? That would seem to me
to be a strange conclusion to be drawn...snip
Just like I said - there is so much variety to be found in what people often
refer to as hobbyist/inventive that it really isnt by itself, a category.
Some of these you can
On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 17:53:26 -0800, Richard Gaskin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dan Shafer wrote:
It feels like this inconvenience is pretty minor unless the user
actually
moves the mouse to the dock, moves around to find the app s/he
wants to use
and clicks on it.
This raises a
Richard Gaskin wrote:
I'll take bets that a different differentiator find its way into the
product within 12 months or less
Boy, you sure are a guy who likes to go out on a limb!!!
Hmmm, what is it, 4 different low-end products in as many years?
You can bet I don't bet against you!
On 26/3/06 23:08, Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I accept full responsibility for this recent change.
Full? Someone bumped off the CEO?
The coup must have been poorly executed...I still seem to be here :)
Seriously though, this change came up as part of a discussion on what people
On 27/3/06 00:53, Timothy Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I can't endorse that statement. I've tried using my dreamcard stacks
with the backdrop turned on, to get a sense of what it might be like
to use Media. A mandatory backdrop seems unnecessary and user hostile
to me.
Please wait for
And, I must be missing it, so, I'll ask,
So, what was wrong exactly with DreamCard???
It was a poorly positioned product.
Best regards,
Lynn Fredricks
Worldwide Business Operations
Runtime Revolution, Ltd
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Having no backdrop in the IDE gets around 99% of my objections.
Being an inventive user, I use DC as a tool for my own use --not to
deliver products. I run all my creations in the IDE so I can change
them on the fly whenever I get a new idea. The inventive user, is
the market that DC
Kevin, et al:
The backdrop is in the player (not the IDE) and
is appropriate for delivering Media type applications - e.g. a kiosk or
presentation.
I recall reading somewhere that there were problems using a backdrop in
Windows NT XP. Did I dream that, or has the issue been fixed?
Rob
Dennis.
Great point. I suspect the preference you point out for mouse vs. keyboard
as primary interaction mechanism explains a lot of stuff.
On 3/26/06, Dennis Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dan,
You being a writer, most likely never have your fingers far from the
keyboard. It makes
On 27/3/06 00:53, Timothy Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I can't endorse that statement. I've tried using my dreamcard stacks
with the backdrop turned on, to get a sense of what it might be like
to use Media. A mandatory backdrop seems unnecessary and user hostile
to me.
Please wait for
Dennis wrote:
The inventive user, is the market that DC was a good match for.
Studio is priced too high for that. DC was fine.
Seconded!
I think the inventive user was the intended audience for Dan's book, also.
I'm starting to get the impression that the inventive user market
is
What makes you think the inventive user market is shrinking? You may be
right, but I wonder what your data points are.
On 3/27/06, Timothy Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm starting to get the impression that the inventive user market
is shrinking in general. That troubles me a little, and
Okay, I'll grant that, but this assessment seems more generalized than
a specific response.
As for Media, at $49 and with a boatload of templates, what's not to like
for the hobbyist/inventive user market?
And yet, there also seems a wide yawning chasm between Media and whatever
the next-up
I think these concepts--Rev Express, Dreamcard, Rev
Media--are fairly creative, neat, fun, etc. I'm sure they
have lots of good points. The junior product keeps changing
frequently, but I guess that's okay. I haven't tried these in
depth, so this is just my opinion about basic stated
Lynn Fredricks wrote:
I accept full responsibility for this recent change.
Full? Someone bumped off the CEO?
;)
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Managing Editor, revJournal
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(However, why make the backdrop an issue? If it doesn't
create standalones then there's already a big incentive to
upgrade. I suppose it would tend to limit what is distributed
with it--you don't usually see utilities with mandatory
backdrops, for example. Then again, you don't usually see
I'm probably missing something here, but I *never* click on a window from
another app to make it active (OS X 10.4.5). I always use the Dock shortcut
Command-Tab to bring up the list of current apps in the center of the
screen, then tab or click on the app I want. I assume that still works in
Rev
On 3/26/06 4:43 PM, Dan Shafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm probably missing something here, but I *never* click on a window from
another app to make it active (OS X 10.4.5). I always use the Dock shortcut
Command-Tab to bring up the list of current apps in the center of the
screen, then tab
Dan,
You being a writer, most likely never have your fingers far from the
keyboard. It makes sense to me that you would operate in that way.
However, I being a very image oriented person, never have my fingers
far from the mouse, and dislike having to go to the keyboard for
anything I
I vote against subtle, but user-hostile incentives to upgrade
to Studio. I understand that Media is probably a loss leader.
I'll be getting a good deal at $49. I'd feel fine about
paying more money for Media if I could keep all the
functionality I now get from Dreamcard.
But then you'd
Or, that, indeed, any product differentiation finds its way into the line
in 12 months or less time.
random()
anyone?
Judy
On Sun, 26 Mar 2006, Richard Gaskin wrote:
That said, I too am puzzled by the decision that leaving the backdrop on all
the time somehow makes Rev Media a
Not to disagree overly, but,
a product one charge's $49 for is still a product for which one charges,
no?
Judy
On Sun, 26 Mar 2006, Dennis Brown wrote:
To me the enforced backdrop is the same thing as a nag screen. A
complete annoyance, and not to be expected in a product that one
charges
And, I must be missing it, so, I'll ask,
So, what was wrong exactly with DreamCard???
Judy
On Sun, 26 Mar 2006, Lynn Fredricks wrote:
I vote against subtle, but user-hostile incentives to upgrade
to Studio. I understand that Media is probably a loss leader.
I'll be getting a good deal at
I'm a bit late to the recent discussions on Rev Media--just got a chance
to browse the archive. Here's my view, and an additional idea.
I think these concepts--Rev Express, Dreamcard, Rev Media--are fairly
creative, neat, fun, etc. I'm sure they have lots of good points. The
junior product keeps
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