Re: jQuery dependency (Re: Futon Improvements)

2009-09-14 Thread cinnebar
Damien: I've haven't seen you being particularly helpful, but then I haven't been reading your all your posts very closely either. However, you've definitely been disrespectful to others and if you wish participate in this community I suggest you so in a respectful manner. Basically im doing

Re: jQuery dependency (Re: Futon Improvements)

2009-09-13 Thread cinnebar
For the sake of discussion: [1] http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/couchdb/trunk/share/www/script/couch.js [2] http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/couchdb/trunk/share/www/script/jquery.couch.js These client libs were mentioned in the Futon Improvements thread which was forked to this jQuery

Re: jQuery dependency (Re: Futon Improvements)

2009-09-13 Thread Noah Slater
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 08:47:15PM +1000, cinnebar wrote: There is a request for the development of Futon. Futon uses the built-in jQuery libraries which means that it is jQuery dependent. Could you clarify? A request for…? Thanks, -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater

Re: jQuery dependency (Re: Futon Improvements)

2009-09-13 Thread cinnebar
Could you clarify? A request for…? Good gawd prettyboy where were you when they were handing out the smarts ? Development request refers to Pauls post titled Futon Improvements ...maybe its closed already in @dev? ...either way for you cut and paste follows: fromPaul Davis

Re: jQuery dependency (Re: Futon Improvements)

2009-09-13 Thread Noah Slater
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 07:53:38AM +1000, cinnebar wrote: Could you clarify? A request for…? Good gawd prettyboy where were you when they were handing out the smarts ? Less of the fucking attitude please. -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater

Re: jQuery dependency (Re: Futon Improvements)

2009-09-13 Thread Noah Slater
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 08:01:59AM +1000, cinnebar wrote: Less of the fucking attitude please. soz no offence intended hope it was helpful That's okay prettyboy, your berkish behaviour is amusing me. -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater

Re: jQuery dependency (Re: Futon Improvements)

2009-09-13 Thread cinnebar
If you are not familiar with jQuery already, check it out. Although if you really want to appreciate it, I suggest you attempt to do* without it for a while first. Thanks for the advice. I have done a lot of front end dev and the way the libraries like jquery balance across browsers is a

Re: jQuery dependency (Re: Futon Improvements)

2009-09-13 Thread Damien Katz
cinnebar, I hope you are sincere in your desire to help. I've haven't seen you being particularly helpful, but then I haven't been reading your all your posts very closely either. However, you've definitely been disrespectful to others and if you wish participate in this community I

Re: jQuery dependency (Re: Futon Improvements)

2009-09-12 Thread Chris Anderson
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 9:22 PM, cinnebar merz.onl...@gmail.com wrote: a) jQuery is a very popular js lib, I don't see how that is a deterrent. I am going to try to address this and it may take a few posts/emails. Firstly jquery is a useful, popular and all round great framework (perhaps

Re: jQuery dependency (Re: Futon Improvements)

2009-09-11 Thread cinnebar
Building yet another abstraction so we could swap jQuery with Prototype, etc doesn't make sense to me. Im not convinced that building a loose coupled jquery Futon is the way to go but I am interested in the discussion.

Re: jQuery dependency (Re: Futon Improvements)

2009-09-11 Thread Tom Sante
On Fri, Sep 11, 14:22, cinnebar wrote: Implementation of any new features in Futon immediately requires at least being down with jquery or otherwise being down with js and ajax with jquery on top. The project I am involved with is being built with its own js component lib to avoid longterm

Re: jQuery dependency (Re: Futon Improvements)

2009-09-11 Thread Benoit Chesneau
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 8:35 AM, cinnebar merz.onl...@gmail.com wrote: Building yet another abstraction so we could swap jQuery with Prototype, etc doesn't make sense to me. Im not convinced that building a loose coupled jquery Futon is the way to go but I am interested in the discussion.

Re: jQuery dependency (Re: Futon Improvements)

2009-09-11 Thread Noah Slater
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 02:22:46PM +1000, cinnebar wrote: Implementation of any new features in Futon immediately requires at least being down with jquery or otherwise being down with js and ajax with jquery on top. Yeps, sure. But hacking on the build systems requires knowledge of the GNU

Re: jQuery dependency (Re: Futon Improvements)

2009-09-11 Thread Noah Slater
Hey, Should we move this over to dev@ now? -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater

Re: jQuery dependency (Re: Futon Improvements)

2009-09-11 Thread Freddy Bowen
Hi, I've been reading... On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 2:35 AM, cinnebar merz.onl...@gmail.com wrote: Im not convinced that building a loose coupled jquery Futon is the way to go but I am interested in the discussion. I'm unclear on this point. Subtract jQuery for a moment. Are you interested

Re: jQuery dependency (Re: Futon Improvements)

2009-09-11 Thread cinnebar
I would be very disappointed to see any management, demo, or whatever *human interface* be tightly coupled. definitely I'm unclear on this point. Subtract jQuery for a moment. Are you interested in a loosely coupled Futon? Or no? no

Re: jQuery dependency (Re: Futon Improvements)

2009-09-11 Thread cinnebar
I just wanted to clarify a statement I made in the thread that this thread stems from: problem oriented development is not the only option Of course users should be encouraged to come to users@ and look for help with anything CouchDB(ish) but as wide scoped structural optimization is also an

Re: jQuery dependency (Re: Futon Improvements)

2009-09-11 Thread Noah Slater
On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 11:10:55AM +1000, cinnebar wrote: There appears to be a grey area regarding what is dev@ appropriate discussion and what is users@ appropriate that pivots on what is core CouchDb and what is not. There are no hard and fast rules, and I don't think we need any.

Re: jQuery dependency (Re: Futon Improvements)

2009-09-11 Thread cinnebar
Should we move this over to dev@ now? is the question Also im uncertain if it is entirely evident from the discussion but I think this is the critical element: I've got a couple ideas for how to give Futon an extra bit of polish but I have no AJAX-fu. From where I am standing it appears the

Re: jQuery dependency (Re: Futon Improvements)

2009-09-11 Thread Toby Hede
I am totally puzzled ... Futon is a simple management app built with, among other things, jQuery. Abstracting Futon to allow switching of multiple client-side libraries seems like a strange thing to focus on. Anyone making a web application these days MUST be using a cross-browser library of

jQuery dependency (Re: Futon Improvements)

2009-09-10 Thread Jan Lehnardt
Hi :) On 10 Sep 2009, at 03:33, cinnebar wrote: I am working with a group on a full featured ERP that proposes to index/store data AND scripts in one or multiple json db files, perhaps outputting function sets from json document/s to .js (for example) file/s serverside maybe in a cache

Re: jQuery dependency (Re: Futon Improvements)

2009-09-10 Thread Jesse Hallett
Maybe the problem is that the JavaScript interface library that ships with CouchDB depends on jQuery. If that is the case and if it only relies on jQuery for XMLHttpRequest support then it should be reasonably easy to factor out. On the other hand a jQuery dependency in Futon is a good thing,

Re: jQuery dependency (Re: Futon Improvements)

2009-09-10 Thread Vlad GURDIGA
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 2:58 AM, Jan Lehnardt j...@apache.org wrote: Hi :) On 10 Sep 2009, at 03:33, cinnebar wrote: I am working with a group on a full featured ERP that proposes to index/store data AND scripts in one or multiple json db files, perhaps outputting function sets from json

Re: jQuery dependency (Re: Futon Improvements)

2009-09-10 Thread cinnebar
a) jQuery is a very popular js lib, I don't see how that is a deterrent. I am going to try to address this and it may take a few posts/emails. Firstly jquery is a useful, popular and all round great framework (perhaps this is stating the obvious). The discussion that this thread stems from

Re: jQuery dependency (Re: Futon Improvements)

2009-09-10 Thread kowsik
Been watching this thread and as a user of couchdb (http://www.pcapr.net) and not a maintainer or a contributor I have the following comments. jQuery *is* the way (my personal opinion) to interact with the browser and html and ajax and all the jazz. document.getElementById is so passe' (Yes, I've

Re: jQuery dependency (Re: Futon Improvements)

2009-09-10 Thread Blair Zajac
cinnebar wrote: a) jQuery is a very popular js lib, I don't see how that is a deterrent. I am going to try to address this and it may take a few posts/emails. Firstly jquery is a useful, popular and all round great framework (perhaps this is stating the obvious). The discussion that this