Re: sharing programs/desktop

[R. Scholz]

Hello,

thank you very much, Ed and Hemant for your sight.
I think it's a good idea if Maxim can implement this as a feature into 
the admin-configuration.

@Maxim: What do you mean?

Best regards,

René

Am 07.09.2019 um 12:51 schrieb BBS Technik:

Hi,
I think, Hermant's thought is a good concept. OM is used in different 
use cases and if om can cover this scenarios, we have more potential 
users.

Best regards
Ed
*Gesendet:* Samstag, 07. September 2019 um 10:24 Uhr
*Von:* "Coscend@OM" 
*An:* user@openmeetings.apache.org
*Betreff:* RE: sharing programs/desktop

Hello Friends,

Here is a thought.  Perhaps it can be offered as an option in admin -> 
configuration


Automatic

Manual (default)

Both are useful in different contexts. Automatic is good for users 
that use it only for screen sharing such as troubleshooting / IT training.


Manual (default) is for audience that use other features in addition 
to screen sharing.  Screen sharing will consume bandwidth and will 
slow down the other features.


Thank you.

Sincerely,

Hemant K. Sabat

www.Coscend.com 

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*From:*Maxim Solodovnik [mailto:solomax...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Saturday, September 7, 2019 3:18 AM
*To:* Openmeetings user-list 
*Subject:* Re: sharing programs/desktop

We can change current behaviour if there will be no objections 

On Sat, Sep 7, 2019, 14:48 R. Scholz 
> wrote:


Hello,

I can't believe that nobody is interesting in that feature.
For me its important .

Hm, but on the other side I have to accept it, if nobody write
something.

Best regards,

René

Am 06.09.2019 um 07:46 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:

Hello Rene,

It is definitely possible

I just would like to get input from other users: would it be
OK to make this change?

On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 at 12:44, René Scholz
mailto:rene.sch...@abakus-edv-systems.de>> wrote:

Hello Maxim,

I will be very happy if you are able to raise my hope: Is
it possible to bring the shared program on screen without
mouse-click?

With best regards,

René


Am 04.09.2019 um 07:21 schrieb R. Scholz:

Hello Maxim,

with the "black screen" we supposed that. But, I say
that, in sharing the whole screen is OK.

With the "sharing-icon" its a bigger problem (for me).
The most users of present are so sensitized that they
not click.
In the past I spent a lot of time to explain when I
want a remote-access with TeamViewer. The
remote-access is not the
problem, they need help, its the question (under
windows) at the start from TeamViewer ("UAC") to allow
the access.
This global UAV-warnings are so miserable.  Some of
users refuse to click on "Yes".
(OK, it is clear that TeamViewer want Admin-rights.)
I hear from a lot of people that the IT-Department of
their organisations give directives to not-click in a
browser on anything
which is not well known.

When it is possible it will be very nice to open the
sharing-screen automatically when the moderator give
it free. In my opinion
the moderator featured his presentation himself, and
the user looking without interaction.

Whats the meaning of the other?

Best regards,

René

Am 04.09.2019 um 05:30 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:

Hello Rene,

I'll try to answer point by point :)

*/"older Delphi-program its not possible, the
client only receive a black screen"/* - actually
browser performs screen-sharing

So i guess there are some limitation on Windows
(most probably something with graphics/overlay)

*/"when I transfer the screen in the
client-browser only the sharing-icon appears"/* -
right now this icon blinks to attract user's attention

Screen-sharing window is usually huge this is why

Aw: RE: sharing programs/desktop

[BBS Technik]

Hi,

 

I think, Hermant's thought is a good concept. OM is used in different use cases and if om can cover this scenarios, we have more potential users.


 

Best regards

Ed


Gesendet: Samstag, 07. September 2019 um 10:24 Uhr
Von: "Coscend@OM" 
An: user@openmeetings.apache.org
Betreff: RE: sharing programs/desktop




Hello Friends,

 

Here is a thought.  Perhaps it can be offered as an option in admin -> configuration

Automatic

Manual (default)

 

Both are useful in different contexts.  Automatic is good for users that use it only for screen sharing such as troubleshooting / IT training.

 

Manual (default) is for audience that use other features in addition to screen sharing.  Screen sharing will consume bandwidth and will slow down the other features.

 

Thank you.

 

Sincerely,

 

Hemant K. Sabat

www.Coscend.com 

--

Real-time, Interactive Video Collaboration, Tele-healthcare, Tele-education, Telepresence Services, on the fly…

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From: Maxim Solodovnik [mailto:solomax...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, September 7, 2019 3:18 AM
To: Openmeetings user-list 
Subject: Re: sharing programs/desktop

 


We can change current behaviour if there will be no objections 


 



On Sat, Sep 7, 2019, 14:48 R. Scholz  wrote:




Hello,

I can't believe that nobody is interesting in that feature.
For me its important .

Hm, but on the other side I have to accept it, if nobody write something.

Best regards,

René
 


Am 06.09.2019 um 07:46 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:




Hello Rene,


 



It is definitely possible



I just would like to get input from other users: would it be OK to make this change?



 



On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 at 12:44, René Scholz  wrote:





Hello Maxim,

I will be very happy if you are able to raise my hope: Is it possible to bring the shared program on screen without mouse-click?

With best regards,

René


Am 04.09.2019 um 07:21 schrieb R. Scholz:



Hello Maxim,

with the "black screen" we supposed that. But, I say that, in sharing the whole screen is OK.

With the "sharing-icon" its a bigger problem (for me). The most users of present are so sensitized that they not click.
In the past I spent a lot of time to explain when I want a remote-access with TeamViewer. The remote-access is not the
problem, they need help, its the question (under windows) at the start from TeamViewer ("UAC") to allow the access.
This global UAV-warnings are so miserable.  Some of users refuse to click on "Yes".
(OK, it is clear that TeamViewer want Admin-rights.)
I hear from a lot of people that the IT-Department of their organisations give directives to not-click in a browser on anything
which is not well known.

When it is possible it will be very nice to open the sharing-screen automatically when the moderator give it free. In my opinion
the moderator featured his presentation himself, and the user looking without interaction.

Whats the meaning of the other?

Best regards,

René

 


Am 04.09.2019 um 05:30 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:




Hello Rene,


 



I'll try to answer point by point :)



 



"older Delphi-program its not possible, the client only receive a black screen" - actually browser performs screen-sharing



So i guess there are some limitation on Windows (most probably something with graphics/overlay)



 



"when I transfer the screen in the client-browser only the sharing-icon appears" - right now this icon blinks to attract user's attention



Screen-sharing window is usually huge this is why user can close it any time and re-open by clicking same icon



Maybe sort of "text info popup" can help?



 



On Mon, 2 Sep 2019 at 20:54, René Scholz  wrote:



Hello Maxim,

I try to share a program.

With an older Delphi-program its not possible, the client only receive a
black screen. We have this one year ago and
you said that came from Kurento. But thats no problem, when I select the
whole screen it works. Its not the best solution, but it works.

One thing that bother is when I transfer the screen in the
client-browser only the sharing-icon appears.
I (moderator) have to communicate that the person who view the
presentation have to click on it and allow the question.
In germany no user click on an question to allow anything - I have a big
problem with it.
Many persons not find the icon (right top corner is difficult to find)
or they dont allow and switch off.

Please, can you find a solution that the sharing-window appears without
click on the icon? I mean, the moderator show what he want.

Best regards,

René


 



 


 


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RE: sharing programs/desktop

[Coscend@OM]

Hello Friends,



Here is a thought.  Perhaps it can be offered as an option in admin -> 
configuration

Automatic

Manual (default)



Both are useful in different contexts.  Automatic is good for users that use it 
only for screen sharing such as troubleshooting / IT training.



Manual (default) is for audience that use other features in addition to screen 
sharing.  Screen sharing will consume bandwidth and will slow down the other 
features.



Thank you.



Sincerely,



Hemant K. Sabat

www.Coscend.com 

--

Real-time, Interactive Video Collaboration, Tele-healthcare, Tele-education, 
Telepresence Services, on the fly…

--

CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: See 'Confidentiality Notice Regarding E-mail Messages 
from Coscend Communications Solutions' posted at:  
 
http://www.Coscend.com/Anchor/Common/Terms_and_Conditions.html







From: Maxim Solodovnik [mailto:solomax...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, September 7, 2019 3:18 AM
To: Openmeetings user-list 
Subject: Re: sharing programs/desktop



We can change current behaviour if there will be no objections 



On Sat, Sep 7, 2019, 14:48 R. Scholz mailto:rene.sch...@abakus-edv-systems.de> > wrote:

Hello,

I can't believe that nobody is interesting in that feature.
For me its important .

Hm, but on the other side I have to accept it, if nobody write something.

Best regards,

René



Am 06.09.2019 um 07:46 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:

Hello Rene,



It is definitely possible

I just would like to get input from other users: would it be OK to make this 
change?



On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 at 12:44, René Scholz mailto:rene.sch...@abakus-edv-systems.de> > wrote:

Hello Maxim,

I will be very happy if you are able to raise my hope: Is it possible to bring 
the shared program on screen without mouse-click?

With best regards,

René


Am 04.09.2019 um 07:21 schrieb R. Scholz:

Hello Maxim,

with the "black screen" we supposed that. But, I say that, in sharing the whole 
screen is OK.

With the "sharing-icon" its a bigger problem (for me). The most users of 
present are so sensitized that they not click.
In the past I spent a lot of time to explain when I want a remote-access with 
TeamViewer. The remote-access is not the
problem, they need help, its the question (under windows) at the start from 
TeamViewer ("UAC") to allow the access.
This global UAV-warnings are so miserable.  Some of users refuse to click on 
"Yes".
(OK, it is clear that TeamViewer want Admin-rights.)
I hear from a lot of people that the IT-Department of their organisations give 
directives to not-click in a browser on anything
which is not well known.

When it is possible it will be very nice to open the sharing-screen 
automatically when the moderator give it free. In my opinion
the moderator featured his presentation himself, and the user looking without 
interaction.

Whats the meaning of the other?

Best regards,

René




Am 04.09.2019 um 05:30 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:

Hello Rene,



I'll try to answer point by point :)



"older Delphi-program its not possible, the client only receive a black screen" 
- actually browser performs screen-sharing

So i guess there are some limitation on Windows (most probably something with 
graphics/overlay)



"when I transfer the screen in the client-browser only the sharing-icon 
appears" - right now this icon blinks to attract user's attention

Screen-sharing window is usually huge this is why user can close it any time 
and re-open by clicking same icon

Maybe sort of "text info popup" can help?



On Mon, 2 Sep 2019 at 20:54, René Scholz mailto:rene.sch...@abakus-edv-systems.de> > wrote:

Hello Maxim,

I try to share a program.

With an older Delphi-program its not possible, the client only receive a
black screen. We have this one year ago and
you said that came from Kurento. But thats no problem, when I select the
whole screen it works. Its not the best solution, but it works.

One thing that bother is when I transfer the screen in the
client-browser only the sharing-icon appears.
I (moderator) have to communicate that the person who view the
presentation have to click on it and allow the question.
In germany no user click on an question to allow anything - I have a big
problem with it.
Many persons not find the icon (right top corner is difficult to find)
or they dont allow and switch off.

Please, can you find a solution that the sharing-window appears without
click on the icon? I mean, the moderator show what he want.

Best regards,

René










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Re: sharing programs/desktop

[Maxim Solodovnik]

We can change current behaviour if there will be no objections 

On Sat, Sep 7, 2019, 14:48 R. Scholz 
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I can't believe that nobody is interesting in that feature.
> For me its important .
>
> Hm, but on the other side I have to accept it, if nobody write something.
>
> Best regards,
>
> René
>
>
> Am 06.09.2019 um 07:46 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>
> Hello Rene,
>
> It is definitely possible
> I just would like to get input from other users: would it be OK to make
> this change?
>
> On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 at 12:44, René Scholz <
> rene.sch...@abakus-edv-systems.de> wrote:
>
>> Hello Maxim,
>>
>> I will be very happy if you are able to raise my hope: Is it possible to
>> bring the shared program on screen without mouse-click?
>>
>> With best regards,
>>
>> René
>>
>>
>> Am 04.09.2019 um 07:21 schrieb R. Scholz:
>>
>> Hello Maxim,
>>
>> with the "black screen" we supposed that. But, I say that, in sharing the
>> whole screen is OK.
>>
>> With the "sharing-icon" its a bigger problem (for me). The most users of
>> present are so sensitized that they not click.
>> In the past I spent a lot of time to explain when I want a remote-access
>> with TeamViewer. The remote-access is not the
>> problem, they need help, its the question (under windows) at the start
>> from TeamViewer ("UAC") to allow the access.
>> This global UAV-warnings are so miserable.  Some of users refuse to click
>> on "Yes".
>> (OK, it is clear that TeamViewer want Admin-rights.)
>> I hear from a lot of people that the IT-Department of their organisations
>> give directives to not-click in a browser on anything
>> which is not well known.
>>
>> When it is possible it will be very nice to open the sharing-screen
>> automatically when the moderator give it free. In my opinion
>> the moderator featured his presentation himself, and the user looking
>> without interaction.
>>
>> Whats the meaning of the other?
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> René
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 04.09.2019 um 05:30 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:
>>
>> Hello Rene,
>>
>> I'll try to answer point by point :)
>>
>> *"older Delphi-program its not possible, the client only receive a black
>> screen"* - actually browser performs screen-sharing
>> So i guess there are some limitation on Windows (most probably something
>> with graphics/overlay)
>>
>> *"when I transfer the screen in the client-browser only the sharing-icon
>> appears"* - right now this icon blinks to attract user's attention
>> Screen-sharing window is usually huge this is why user can close it any
>> time and re-open by clicking same icon
>> Maybe sort of "text info popup" can help?
>>
>> On Mon, 2 Sep 2019 at 20:54, René Scholz <
>> rene.sch...@abakus-edv-systems.de> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Maxim,
>>>
>>> I try to share a program.
>>>
>>> With an older Delphi-program its not possible, the client only receive a
>>> black screen. We have this one year ago and
>>> you said that came from Kurento. But thats no problem, when I select the
>>> whole screen it works. Its not the best solution, but it works.
>>>
>>> One thing that bother is when I transfer the screen in the
>>> client-browser only the sharing-icon appears.
>>> I (moderator) have to communicate that the person who view the
>>> presentation have to click on it and allow the question.
>>> In germany no user click on an question to allow anything - I have a big
>>> problem with it.
>>> Many persons not find the icon (right top corner is difficult to find)
>>> or they dont allow and switch off.
>>>
>>> Please, can you find a solution that the sharing-window appears without
>>> click on the icon? I mean, the moderator show what he want.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> René
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> WBR
>> Maxim aka solomax
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> WBR
> Maxim aka solomax
>
>
>

Re: Turn server problem

[R. Scholz]

Hello Siovel,

Hm, have you tested if your TURN answers?
I used "Trickle-ICE" on the side 
"https://webrtc.github.io/samples/src/content/peerconnection/trickle-ice/";.


Best regrads,

René


Am 06.09.2019 um 23:18 schrieb Siovel Rodriguez:
Hi Rene, thank you for answering me, now change the reverse proxy to 
DNAT but it still gives me the same problem


El vie., 6 sept. 2019 a las 12:56, R. Scholz 
(>) escribió:


Hello Siovel,

I know that Coturn-config is "a little bit" difficile.
realm: By me is it a domain-name, not a IP.
external-IP: is an IP.
I dont know exactly whats here necessary by using a reverse-proxy.
I think your external IP to the proxy, your beginning of the
"proxy-tunnel".
And you have a lot of tunnels open, I think: 102.

Remark:
I had used only once a reverse-proxy (for a special-problem) and I
had the problem to use the same port several simultaneously. For
the server
was the address the proxy. Incoming connections and handschake was
fine, but the outgoing packages was the problem.

Best regards,

René

Am 06.09.2019 um 17:23 schrieb Siovel Rodriguez:

Hi I need help, I have OM-server and a Coturn-server configured
on a local network with an IPprivate. To connect from outside I
have configured a reverse proxy in an IPpublic. I can access the
server without problems, I enter the rooms but the video chat is
not set correctly, neither audio nor video. Here my settings.

1) /etc/turnserver.conf

verbose
fingerprint
use-auth-secret
static-auth-secret=SECRETSECRET
realm=IPpublic
simple-log
log-file=/var/log/turn.log
min-port=5
max-port=50100
external-ip=IPpublic/IPprivate

2) Config firewall (open ports)

5443
3478
5-50100

3) Edit

"/opt/openmeetings/webapps/openmeetings/WEB-INF/classes/applicationContext.xml"

...
http://127.0.0.1:/kurento>"
p:checkTimeout="1"
p:watchThreadCount="10"
p:turnUrl="IPprivate:3478"
p:turnUser=""
p:turnSecret="SECRETSECRET"
p:turnMode="rest"
p:turnTtl="60"
p:objCheckTimeout="200"
/>

Re: sharing programs/desktop

[R. Scholz]

Hello,

I can't believe that nobody is interesting in that feature.
For me its important .

Hm, but on the other side I have to accept it, if nobody write something.

Best regards,

René


Am 06.09.2019 um 07:46 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:

Hello Rene,

It is definitely possible
I just would like to get input from other users: would it be OK to 
make this change?


On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 at 12:44, René Scholz 
> wrote:


Hello Maxim,

I will be very happy if you are able to raise my hope: Is it
possible to bring the shared program on screen without mouse-click?

With best regards,

René


Am 04.09.2019 um 07:21 schrieb R. Scholz:

Hello Maxim,

with the "black screen" we supposed that. But, I say that, in
sharing the whole screen is OK.

With the "sharing-icon" its a bigger problem (for me). The most
users of present are so sensitized that they not click.
In the past I spent a lot of time to explain when I want a
remote-access with TeamViewer. The remote-access is not the
problem, they need help, its the question (under windows) at the
start from TeamViewer ("UAC") to allow the access.
This global UAV-warnings are so miserable.  Some of users refuse
to click on "Yes".
(OK, it is clear that TeamViewer want Admin-rights.)
I hear from a lot of people that the IT-Department of their
organisations give directives to not-click in a browser on anything
which is not well known.

When it is possible it will be very nice to open the
sharing-screen automatically when the moderator give it free. In
my opinion
the moderator featured his presentation himself, and the user
looking without interaction.

Whats the meaning of the other?

Best regards,

René



Am 04.09.2019 um 05:30 schrieb Maxim Solodovnik:

Hello Rene,

I'll try to answer point by point :)

*/"older Delphi-program its not possible, the client only
receive a black screen"/* - actually browser performs screen-sharing
So i guess there are some limitation on Windows (most probably
something with graphics/overlay)

*/"when I transfer the screen in the client-browser only the
sharing-icon appears"/* - right now this icon blinks to attract
user's attention
Screen-sharing window is usually huge this is why user can close
it any time and re-open by clicking same icon
Maybe sort of "text info popup" can help?

On Mon, 2 Sep 2019 at 20:54, René Scholz
mailto:rene.sch...@abakus-edv-systems.de>> wrote:

Hello Maxim,

I try to share a program.

With an older Delphi-program its not possible, the client
only receive a
black screen. We have this one year ago and
you said that came from Kurento. But thats no problem, when
I select the
whole screen it works. Its not the best solution, but it works.

One thing that bother is when I transfer the screen in the
client-browser only the sharing-icon appears.
I (moderator) have to communicate that the person who view the
presentation have to click on it and allow the question.
In germany no user click on an question to allow anything -
I have a big
problem with it.
Many persons not find the icon (right top corner is
difficult to find)
or they dont allow and switch off.

Please, can you find a solution that the sharing-window
appears without
click on the icon? I mean, the moderator show what he want.

Best regards,

René






-- 
WBR

Maxim aka solomax






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