Sharing session beetwen HTTP and HTTPS

2004-06-18 Thread Jose Ramon Diaz
Hi all, We are triying to switch application state from HTTPS to HTTP. We want to use SSL connection only for login page. We execute a redirect if the user comes from SSL connection to the HTTP action without SSL. But the session is lost. We are using Oracle 9iAS, and we

Re: Integrating displaytag with struts

2004-06-18 Thread Hari Saptoadi
thank you for your reply Ron .i did like this in my action class Connection con=ko.getCon(); PreparedStatement prep=con.prepareStatement(select C_KTR,I_KTR,N_KTR from tmkantor); ResultSet rs=prep.executeQuery(); Vector dt=new Vector(); while(rs.next()) {

RE: [OT] Soccer portal released goal.com / Friday

2004-06-18 Thread Marco Mistroni
Hey, Maybe it's coz in Europe Brazil doesn't rock :-) (remember France 98?) But, I guess that site covers some European Ronaldo (Cristiano, from Portugal :-) Have a good Friday marco -Original Message- From: Daniel H. F. e Silva [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 17 June

RE: How to handle a table with an unknown number of rows

2004-06-18 Thread Rajat Pandit, Gurgaon
Not sure about the version issue, but you might want to look at indexed properties. Search for miniHOW in the archives and you might find one of the posts which deals with this. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 10:26 PM

RE: prob in database connectivity

2004-06-18 Thread Andrew Hill
Actually I think this is the link you mean: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html -Original Message- From: Rajat Pandit, Gurgaon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 18 June 2004 16:58 To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: prob in database connectivity Hello

RE: prob in database connectivity

2004-06-18 Thread Rajat Pandit, Gurgaon
Hehehe!! Thanks!! No internet access at work :( -Original Message- From: Andrew Hill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 2:27 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: prob in database connectivity Actually I think this is the link you mean:

R: Displaying image data from the database

2004-06-18 Thread Amleto Di Salle
Hi, Which Tomcat version are you using? The problem seems to be a Tomcat problem with the body content and the Pooling of the Tag. Anyway in the Tomcat 5.0.25 this bug is solved. Try to do the following: In the html:img tags, don't use the empty element tag (i.e. with / at the end of the tag)

Re: case insensitive action mapping ?

2004-06-18 Thread Navjot Singh
i am not sure about any config that can help but all you need to is + override processPath method in RequestProcessor to check for case-insenstive path. + override ActionConfig class to keep path saved in lowercase/uppercase. list, am i missing anything? navjot Albrecht Berger wrote: Hello, at

help change message when no key found

2004-06-18 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi, sorry if this may be a stupid questionbut i 'm tring to change the message visualization (i don't want to show the user a message like '???foo???') when the key of the message is not present in my ApplicationResources files. how can i do ? The only solution i found is to modify the

RE: How to handle a table with an unknown number of rows

2004-06-18 Thread Ravi
Hello, U can try this.Most probably this will work. U can store the data in the Arraylist map this list to form level Arraylist. use logic:iterate tag to display data from the form Level ArrayList with id and property as the form level list. tell me whether @ runtime r u going to add any

RE: Theoretical debate

2004-06-18 Thread Daniel Perry
I personally think struts is spot on. I think it does follow Java OO principles, and many J2EE patterns. My struts apps generally consist of DAOs which handle simple methods, and some services which handle more complex operations. These interact with beans which are persisted using OJB. The

problem with jsession id

2004-06-18 Thread Asim Ghosh
hello guys, when i open the login form of my struts application, for the very first time a jession id is appended with the value of action attribute example html:form action=admin.login.do;jsessionid=1101010654575 above value is shown in the source code of the displayed page. can any

RE: problem with jsession id

2004-06-18 Thread Daniel Perry
That would be jsp adding the session id. Not really a problem, so do you really need to get rid of it? I think it wont appear on further pages, becuase it will use a session cookie (if i understand correctly, the first time it adds that just in case session cookie doesn't work). You should be

Re: problem with jsession id

2004-06-18 Thread Nicolas De Loof
On first request, a session is created. Tomcat (or any other servlet container) wan use two mecanism to handle sessions : cookies or URL rewriting (add a ;jsessionid=...). Preference is for cookies, because it doesn't need to change URLs in pages, but on first request, Tomcat has no way to

RE: Integrating displaytag with struts

2004-06-18 Thread Matthias Wessendorf
Hari, i have an action.clazz that loads a collection and adds the coll to request under key myCollection after that it forwards to a jsp here is my *simple* jsp.file %@ taglib uri=/WEB-INF/displaytag-12.tld prefix=display % display:table name=myCollection defaultsort=1

RE: How to handle a table with an unknown number of rows

2004-06-18 Thread DGraham
The form could have many thousands of rows and my real problem was determining which cell had been edited. I'm not sure if it's correct, but I solved this by doing the following: 1. Each editable textfield in the HTML form has a dynamically constructed name. This field also has an onChange

Re: problem with jsession id

2004-06-18 Thread Dhruv Trivedi
Hi Niko and all other guys, is there any way in struts to avoid this URL rewriting. Actually jsessionid is also appended with the link with which i am submitting the form. have a look on code: Original code is: html:link href=javascript:login() styleClass=buttonLogin/html:link But when i run

RE: problem with jsession id

2004-06-18 Thread Daniel Perry
There is no need for you to use a taglib to render a link! The easiest solution: a href=javascript:login(); class=buttonLogin/a -Original Message- From: Dhruv Trivedi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 June 2004 12:45 To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: problem with jsession

RE: [OT] Soccer portal released goal.com

2004-06-18 Thread Pilgrim, Peter
Hi Simone I tried your site last night on my new Dell Inspiron at home. It was rendering very slowly (I mean ssslllooo). I think Internet Explorer 6.0 SP 1 as delivered by DELL OEM has some current issues with it when you are using large BITMAP BLITTING operations. I think IE was

RE: Sharing session beetwen HTTP and HTTPS

2004-06-18 Thread David Friedman
SSLExt: http://sslext.sourceforge.net -Original Message- From: Jose Ramon Diaz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 2:33 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: Sharing session beetwen HTTP and HTTPS Hi all, We are triying to switch application state from

RE: [OT] Soccer portal released goal.com / Friday

2004-06-18 Thread Daniel H. F. e Silva
Hi Marco, Today is Friday, so let's play a quiz. Question #1 What team have won 5 times the World Cup? a) Brazil b) Brazil c) Brazil d) Brazil e) I don't know, but i guess it is Brazil Question #2 Who is the King of Soccer? a) Pelé b) George W. Bush c) Ariel

RE: [OT] Soccer portal released goal.com / Friday

2004-06-18 Thread Marco Mistroni
Hi daniel, Here r my answers :-) Question #1 What team have won 5 times the World Cup? a) Brazil b) Brazil c) Brazil d) Brazil e) I don't know, but i guess it is NOT Brazil e) Question #2 Who is the King of Soccer? a) Pelé b) George W. Bush c) Ariel

RE: Displaying image data from the database

2004-06-18 Thread Siena, Christina \(.\)
Hi, I'm not using Tomcat. I'm using IBM WebSphere Application Server, Release 4.0.6 but I'll try html:img /html:img. Thanks, Christina -Original Message- From: Amleto Di Salle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 5:27 AM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: R:

Re: Theoretical debate

2004-06-18 Thread Bill Schneider
I describe this in more detail in the book, but my take on this is that Struts and JSF are focused on different parts of the application. They also overlap in some areas, however, which is probably the cause for this endless discussion. In particular, I've noticed that a simple hello world

http 405 error

2004-06-18 Thread Navjot Singh
hi, I have deployed my app on Jboss 3.2.3(with Tomcat 4.1.29). Success. When i try to access http://localhost:8080/myapp/ShowReg.do It says HTTP 405 : The specified HTTP method is not allowed for the requested resource (HTTP method GET is not supported by this URL). No where in web.xml, i ahve

Re: http 405 error

2004-06-18 Thread Peng Tuck Kwok
Hi Navot, Is there lots of complaints comming out of the log file (JBoss console) ? Don't recall having such an error with struts tomcat + jboss combo. On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:50:35 +0530, Navjot Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi, I have deployed my app on Jboss 3.2.3(with Tomcat

Re: http 405 error

2004-06-18 Thread Navjot Singh
hi peng, That's the problem. Nothing comes on to my jboss console. I couldn't see anything happening here. Even the jboss's error log shows nothing. However, access log does show a url was visited and the respose code returned in 405. navjot Peng Tuck Kwok wrote: Hi Navot, Is there lots

RE: Theoretical debate

2004-06-18 Thread Frank Zammetti
You know, kind of off-topic, but you remind me of a conversation I had with someone at work here, maybe you guys would have some input... I know what various patterns tell us we should do, but in practice... you guys of course have your ActionForms that transfer data from the view to the

RE: Displaying image data from the database

2004-06-18 Thread Siena, Christina \(.\)
Hi, I've tried: html:img styleId=imagePreviewLocal page=/loadCampaignImage.do name=map width=%=imageWidthLocalValue% height=%=imageHeightLocalValue% /html:img instead of: html:img styleId=imagePreviewLocal page=/loadCampaignImage.do name=map width=%=imageWidthLocalValue%

Re: http 405 error

2004-06-18 Thread Navjot Singh
thanks for your inputs BUT if struts could find the path then it doesn't show 405 error. rather, it throws exception with can't find mapping or something like that. may be someone can tell me how to enable the struts logging when run within jboss. that will be great help in itself. Without

RE: prob in database connectivity

2004-06-18 Thread Geeta Ramani
Anjali: Here are two links that you may find useful: http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/tomcat-4.1-doc/jndi-datasource-examples-howto.html http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg06123.html Regards, Geeta -Original Message- From: gitanjali [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:

RE: case insensitive action mapping ?

2004-06-18 Thread Geeta Ramani
Hi Berger: Take a look at org.apache.struts.action.RequestProcessor. I haven't used it myself, but I think something like processMapping(..) or processPath(..) should work.. Regards, Geeta -Original Message- From: Albrecht Berger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004

RE: Theoretical debate

2004-06-18 Thread mike
Not all websites have sophisticated needs. The multitiered website is unnecessary if you only have your photo and a story about you in the fifth grade. However, Actions are not procedural weight if you want to observe MVC principles for good reasons. The design principles of OO programming

prepopulation of data

2004-06-18 Thread Shilpa Vaidya
Hi all, I have list.jsp which has an edit link. click of the link i pass the edit Id corrresponding to each row. I am using tag beans. like --- html:text property=name/ and html:checkbox property=right / I am using the correct action classes and corresponding actionform classes. But somehow I am

RE: Theoretical debate

2004-06-18 Thread mike
At 06:36 AM 6/18/2004, Frank Zammetti wrote: In that mindset, I can see some logic to saying something like Crysalis is on a better path because your simplifying things a bit by essentially removing a layer. I think we're all conditioned to think that ADDING layers of abstaction is a good

RE: Theoretical debate

2004-06-18 Thread Hookom, Jacob
For me, it's more so the same argument for changes in EJB 3.0 -- which will just allow you to use POJO objects for persistence and transactions as provided by the framework itself. People argue that EJB is too complex and doing simple operations takes 6 classes when other frameworks like

RE: Theoretical debate

2004-06-18 Thread Daniel Perry
I agree with this. I tend to find myself passing parameters to business services rather than DTOs. I do it for simplicity. If i use an ActionForm then you either have to add things like getNumberAsInt as getNumber returns a string, or do the integer parsing in the action. You then have to

RE: Theoretical debate

2004-06-18 Thread DGraham
1. This sounds like your test code (assuming you have some) is tightly coupled with Struts. You may or may not care. 2. Not using DTO/VO means that your business layer is tightly coupled with Struts. This may or may not be a problem should you decide to use a different controller framework.

Re: Theoretical debate

2004-06-18 Thread Bill Schneider
I ask because most of the Struts apps I've seen don't bother with the DTO's, they just pass the ActionForm to the subordinate classes, or else pass them as parameters. It seems that regardless of what literature is telling is we should do, in practice (GENERALLY), people don't bother with the

RE: Theoretical debate

2004-06-18 Thread mike
+1 A lot of this discussion seems like it involves uses that don't need the levels of abstraction a true enterprise site must have. At 07:19 AM 6/18/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. This sounds like your test code (assuming you have some) is tightly coupled with Struts. You may or may not

RE: Theoretical debate

2004-06-18 Thread Frank Zammetti
On point 2, I'm not sure I agree with that. Thinking of one particular application I've recently completed, the business layer is quite losely-coupled from the Struts portion, and I can say that with absolutely certainty because in fact I converted it FROM another framework (a custom job) TO

bean:write property has no getter method

2004-06-18 Thread Yu, John
Hi, I ran into Property myNestedProperty has no getter method errors when running my application under JDK 1.3.1. Here's some background information: - Happens on bean:write. - I'm using nested property, and the last property on the chain has one getter and two setter (e.g. getAge:Integer,

Struts 1.1 / WebSphere 5.1 logging

2004-06-18 Thread Pingili, Madhupal
I have a web application developed with Struts 1.1 running on WebSphere 4.0.4 successfully. Now, if I deploy the same app on WebSphere 5.1, there is no log file created. I am using commons-logging.properties: org.apache.commons.logging.Log=org.apache.commons.logging.impl.Log4JLogger and

ActionError(s) vs. ActionMessage(s)

2004-06-18 Thread Geeta Ramani
Hi all: I have been looking into ActionErrors vs. ActionMessages and found the following two links: http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?StrutsDeprecatedActionErrors and http://www.husted.com/struts/tips/017.html The first link suggests that ActionError will be deprecated starting

Re: bean:write property has no getter method

2004-06-18 Thread Nicolas De Loof
I've had such troubles. I don't know if it comes from struts (common-beanutils) way to introspect object to discover accessor methods, or if javaBeans spec describes it so. I've notice you will get such errors when you define getter return type != setter param type or have multiple setters with

StrutsTestCase servlet api 2.4

2004-06-18 Thread Warner Onstine
Is there a way to get strutstestcase (mock) to work with the new 2.4 web.xml. Currently when we try this it bombs on the digesting of the web.xml file with this: Digester.error(1439) | Parse Error at line 6 column 104: Document root element web-app, must match DOCTYPE root null.

Re: Unit Testing with MockStrutsTestCase -- non-string request parameters

2004-06-18 Thread Nick Heudecker
Hi George: Maybe this will help: http://sourceforge.net/forum/message.php?msg_id=1812671 George Steimer wrote: Hi, Does anyone know if there is a way to put non-string objects into the request for a unit test using MockStrutsTestCase? My problem is that my dyna form uses a form file for an

RE: Unit Testing with MockStrutsTestCase -- non-string request parameters

2004-06-18 Thread George Steimer
Nick, Thanks for the reply. I would like to try to implement this, but my client wants to keep everything in mock objects rather than use an in-container approach. Is there a way to test import using MockStrutsTestCase, or do you need to use Cactus? Thanks, George -Original Message-

RE: bean:write property has no getter method

2004-06-18 Thread Yu, John
Thanks Nico. Does it happen consistently for you, or it's only on certain properties? - John -Original Message- From: Nicolas De Loof [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 11:01 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: bean:write property has no getter method

RE: bean:write property has no getter method

2004-06-18 Thread Wendy Smoak
From: Yu, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I ran into Property myNestedProperty has no getter method errors when running my application under JDK 1.3.1. the last property on the chain has one getter and two setter (e.g. getAge:Integer, setAge(int), setAge(Integer)) Your bean does not

Re: Unit Testing with MockStrutsTestCase -- non-string request parameters

2004-06-18 Thread Nick Heudecker
George, I believe that you'll need to use Cactus. There were a number of threads on the sf.net forum about this and most were unanswered. You may want to email the STC developer about this. He's pretty responsive. George Steimer wrote: Nick, Thanks for the reply. I would like to try to

RE: Theoretical debate

2004-06-18 Thread Hubert Rabago
--- Frank Zammetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know what your saying, it's the way I do things as well, doing very little work in the Actions aside from tossing values around and calling subordinate classes to do the real work. But doesn't that in a sense support the idea of an application

RE: bean:write property has no getter method

2004-06-18 Thread Yu, John
I agree with you on writing safer Javabeans, and yes, it works on JDK 1.4.1. last one I read. You're not supposed to have multiple setters with the same name, or matching get/set methods with different types. Could you point me to the exact place this is documented? Thanks, John

bean defines

2004-06-18 Thread Chris Cranford
If I define a bean using bean:define from a named bean in the request/session scope, why when I use the JSTL C taglib, does it not see the properties of this bean? For example: bean:define id=myFormtiles:getAsString name=formid//bean:define UserName: bean:write id=myForm

ActionError/ActionMessage

2004-06-18 Thread Joe Hertz
Using a 6/10 Nightly the I have a page with the following JSP snippet: html:messages id=error EM class=redbean:write name=error//EMBR /html:messages This works fine with validator generated error messages. This works if in my Action I call the deprecated this.saveErrors(). If I call

RE: bean defines

2004-06-18 Thread Paul McCulloch
bean:define will create a new local variable in the jsp. You can access this variable in a scriptlet or an RT expression. c:out is looking for a scoped *attribute* (not a variable) with that name, so it will fail. If you look at the servlet source generated from your jsp source you should see

help message resources

2004-06-18 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi, i 'm tring to change the message visualization (i don't want to show the user a message like '???foo???') when the key of the message is not present in my ApplicationResources files. how can i do ? The only solution i found is to modify the method message(pageContext, bundle, locale, key,

Re: help message resources

2004-06-18 Thread Nick Heudecker
From a document I wrote some time ago: Setting the null attribute to 'false' will display missing resource values as ???key??? instead of displaying null. This string is easily found during automated testing of your JSPs, making in-container unit testing more complete. Here's what you set to

[OT] Struts and Procedural Weight

2004-06-18 Thread Michael McGrady
The following improvement of a DTO could be considered procedural weight: But, is it? clientMethod { PersonVO person = PersonDAO.getPersonById(666); OrderVO order = person.getOrder(); CostVO cost = order.getCost(); } clientMethod { Person person =

is there any book or tutorial for Struts+WSAD ?

2004-06-18 Thread Masoud Kalali
hi people is there any book or tutorial which cover building struts application with WSAD? thank you - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: ActionError/ActionMessage

2004-06-18 Thread Joe Hertz
Figured out the behavior. It works if I do this- html:messages id=message message=true -- Gets the non-validator generated messages -- EM class=redbean:write name=message//EMBR /html:messages html:messages id=message-- Gets validator generated messages -- EM

Re: How To Get the 'initial' in the form-property?

2004-06-18 Thread Chris Cranford
If the servlet engine does not see any input at the appropriate scope for sort or name, it will grab the values automatically for you from the form-bean initial attribute; otherwise the values on the incoming request (if in the right scope) will be used and the initial values disregarded. -

Re: Struts 1.1 / WebSphere 5.1 logging

2004-06-18 Thread amr
WebSphere 5 has some proprietry logging that interferes with the logging implementation you choose to use. Here is a link that should help you configure your app to use your log4j instead of WebSphere's own logging. We've been able get both option 2 and 3 working.

Re: bean defines

2004-06-18 Thread Chris Cranford
Ok, well if I do the following: c:set var=cfb value=${formBean}/ c:out value=${cfb}/ The name of the form object is written out. But if I want to access a property on my form cfb, how would I output that value? If I write c:out value=${cfb.pageNumber}/, I get a servlet exception saying

RE: Struts 1.1 / WebSphere 5.1 logging

2004-06-18 Thread Hibbs, David
Yeah. WAS 5.0 is not particularly friendly to commons-logging because it uses it internally. Hence, it wants to use its own configuration. There are work arounds (none good) of course... IBM's documentation: http://www-1.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg27004610 David Hibbs, ACS Staff

Any volunteers to get 'Struttin With Struts' more up to date?

2004-06-18 Thread Rick Reumann
I don't have the time now to really get Struttin' With Struts http://www.reumann.net/do/struts/main more up to date. If anyone wants to help getting it up to date with more mondern ways of doing things, I'd appreciate it. You can contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Off-hand here are some things

Re: Struts 1.0.2 Dynamic Forward

2004-06-18 Thread bmcgovern2004
Geeta, Thanks for the reply. If I create an ActionForward on the fly in my Action class, can I also create or acquire the corresponding ActionForm to prepopulate it before returning the ActionForward? --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Geeta Ramani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ps.s just noticed your

RE: bean defines

2004-06-18 Thread Slattery, Tim - BLS
Ok, well if I do the following: c:set var=cfb value=${formBean}/ c:out value=${cfb}/ The name of the form object is written out. But if I want to access a property on my form cfb, how would I output that value? If I write c:out value=${cfb.pageNumber}/, I get a servlet

Re: bean defines

2004-06-18 Thread Chris Cranford
This is my class: public class PagedCheckboxForm extends ActionForm { private long pageNumber; public long getPageNumber() { return this.pageNumber; } public void setPageNumber(long value) { this.pageNumber = value; } } In the JSP bean:define id=formBeantiles:getAsString

Re: Struts 1.0.2 Dynamic Forward

2004-06-18 Thread Rick Reumann
bmcgovern2004 wrote: I've successfully written a simple struts application. I have a jsp that presents a listbox for user selection. I have multiple action flows that may need to utilize the standard screen somewhere in the flow. Can you be a little more specific about what you want to

Re: bean defines

2004-06-18 Thread Chris Cranford
It is as if the c-taglib is seeing the bean as a string and not as an ActionForm. I can write: c:out value=${cfb}/ And the output is value in formid. What I'm trying to do is create a reference to an ActionForm in this JSP which has it's name passed in by this page's container as a tiles

Re: bean defines

2004-06-18 Thread Chris Cranford
And it may be important that I point out if I use: bean:write name=%=formBean% property=pageNumber/ The value does get outputted. So it has to do with what Paul pointed out, but I dont know how to solve it. - Original Message - From: Chris Cranford [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users

Re: case insensitive action mapping ?

2004-06-18 Thread Niall Pemberton
The only thing you missed out from saying is that they would then need to configure Struts to use their custom RequestProcessor and custom ActionConfig: http://jakarta.apache.org/struts/userGuide/configuration.html An alternative to Navjot's suggestion might to be change the RequestProcessor to

Re: is there any book or tutorial for Struts+WSAD ?

2004-06-18 Thread Jonathan Roberts
Hi, There are lots of articles, tutorials white papers on the IBM site. I've downloaded them previously, just do a search. If you dont have any luck then email me and I will publish the links to the groups. Some to get you going - old. 1 Using the Struts Framework with WebSphere Studio

Re: help message resources

2004-06-18 Thread Niall Pemberton
Rather than modifying RequestUtils why not configure Struts to use your own MessageResources implementation: http://jakarta.apache.org/struts/userGuide/configuration.html 1) Extend PropertyMessageResources setting the returnNull property to 'true' in the constructor and overriding the

Re: http 405 error

2004-06-18 Thread Navjot Singh
web-console works fine and in thay if i see my WAR file. it shows no error to me. something fishy is goin on here that i am unable to find out. Peng Tuck Kwok wrote: That's strange, since it is complaining about the GET method. Does the jboss web-console work ? On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 19:08:13