Re: Who decides?

2005-09-10 Thread Dakota Jack
I sympathize entirely with what you are saying, Murray, and believe that there is no good reason for the present difficulties you face. The situation is NOT inevitable or even desirable. I would strongly suggest you consider the Spring alternative which is highly unlikely to change in

Re: JSF - Shale transition

2005-09-10 Thread Dakota Jack
The point is not about Struts, which performs fine. THe problem is with JSF, which does not. On 9/9/05, Gary VanMatre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do you mean by inferior if you are interested in performance. Is the overhead of the dialog/navigation processing pretty high? In

Re: JSF - Shale transition

2005-09-10 Thread Dakota Jack
Hi, Rick. The fact is that this gentleman asked for an opinion that will influence his business. I think he deserves an honest answer, even if the debate might be old hat to you. On 9/9/05, Rick Reumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Walton, Kaleb (ISS Southfield) wrote the following on 9/9/2005

Re: Hibernate 3 versioning/concurrency

2005-09-10 Thread Adam Hardy
Lee Harrington on 09/09/05 14:59, wrote: Would love to get some best practices for setting up hibernate with struts. I'm gettin staleobject exceptions when I'm the only one editing. I had this problem with Hibernate 2 and eventually solved it, but never really understood. Now the problem is

Re: ot: struts obsesed

2005-09-10 Thread Adam Hardy
Vic Cekvenich on 09/09/05 21:52, wrote: http://jroller.com/page/RickHigh?entry=is_struts_dead_is_struts Is he going to get over it? I wonder who the #2 framework is? As someone who has never really contributed much to struts except a few bug reports, I feel slightly out-of-place saying this,

Re: Who decides?

2005-09-10 Thread Ted Husted
On 9/9/05, Murray Collingwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm just a humble Struts user (and relatively new), and I don't claim to speak for the group as a whole. I have read through Donald Brown's presentation (Struts 1.3 and beyond) and I get the feeling that the goal posts just don't

Re: Who decides?

2005-09-10 Thread Adam Hardy
Dakota Jack on 10/09/05 07:09, wrote: I sympathize entirely with what you are saying, Murray, and believe that there is no good reason for the present difficulties you face. The situation is NOT inevitable or even desirable. I would strongly suggest you consider the Spring alternative which

Re: ot: struts obsesed

2005-09-10 Thread Vic Cekvenich
Looking at CVS and developer comments on the dev list I would say that by far, Struts development has never been more active by order of magnitude. 1.3 classic release is iminent (in Struts time). .V Adam Hardy wrote: it's just been fairly dormant.

Re: Who decides?

2005-09-10 Thread Vic Cekvenich
Dakota Jack on 10/09/05 07:09, wrote: I would strongly suggest you consider the Spring alternative which is highly unlikely to change in fundamentals for a very long time. I would argue that technology is shifting to RiA (Ajax, Laszlo, JDNC), so a static framework (if Spring is statick, I

Re: Who decides?

2005-09-10 Thread Larry Meadors
On 9/9/05, Murray Collingwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm just a humble Struts user (and relatively new), and I don't claim to speak for the group as a whole. I have read through Donald Brown's presentation (Struts 1.3 and beyond) and I get the feeling that the goal posts just don't

Re: ot: struts obsesed

2005-09-10 Thread Adam Hardy
i was using past tense Vic Cekvenich on 10/09/05 13:00, wrote: Looking at CVS and developer comments on the dev list I would say that by far, Struts development has never been more active by order of magnitude. 1.3 classic release is iminent (in Struts time). .V Adam Hardy wrote: it's just

Re: [OT] Who decides?

2005-09-10 Thread Adam Hardy
Adam Hardy on 10/09/05 11:11, wrote: Since you are recommending Spring, can you answer a couple of questions about it? For instance, is there any outstanding improvement over struts in the patterns that it offers for say: [snip] * security - Spring is based on Acegi right? while i'm

RE: javascript:void() Problem

2005-09-10 Thread Martin Gainty
The a href is an anchor tag referring to a URI or URL feel free to check out http://www.w3schools.com/html/html_links.asp Viel Gluck, Martin Gainty (mobile) 001- 617-852-7822 (http)www.laconiadatasystems.com From: ojay78 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List

access session attribute with taglib

2005-09-10 Thread Tony Smith
I have an attribute saved in session. In servlet, I can access it by request.getSession().getAttribute(my); In jsp, how can I access it without write java code? I am thinking about bean:page, but do not know how to use it. Thanks,

Re: Who decides?

2005-09-10 Thread Frank W. Zammetti
Ted Husted wrote: Sometimes, we hear about people voting with their feet. Here, we invite people to vote with their hands, by collaborating on code and documentation. It's not up to anyone else. It's up to everyone who volunteers. Here, the only decisions that matter are patches and commits,

Re: Who decides?

2005-09-10 Thread Craig McClanahan
On 9/10/05, Frank W. Zammetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Craig McClanahan wrote: I hope you'll find my comments useful in furthering this kind of discussion. But I'm starting from a different place than you ... I personally think it is a waste of time to improve the tools and

RE: Who decides?

2005-09-10 Thread David Thielen
I was talking to my daughters about this the other day. In the last 25 years I have had to learn a whole new environment/API/everything: * DOS - Pascal and then C * Windows - C and then C++ oApplications oSystem level code (wrote part of Win95) oGames

Re: access session attribute with taglib

2005-09-10 Thread Tamas Szabo
Hi, On 9/10/05, Tony Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have an attribute saved in session. In servlet, I can access it by request.getSession().getAttribute(my); In jsp, how can I access it without write java code? I am thinking about bean:page, but do not know how to use it. Thanks,

Re: Who decides?

2005-09-10 Thread Frank W. Zammetti
Cool, thanks Craig. It might amaze you to hear that not a single one of those items I really disagree with :) I was in the middle of composing a big, grandious new message, but I think I can ask a single question here that really sums up all that I was writing there... Of this list, I

Re: Who (really) decides?

2005-09-10 Thread Leon Rosenberg
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Frank W. Zammetti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Samstag, 10. September 2005 17:12 An: Struts Users Mailing List Betreff: Re: Who decides? Ted Husted wrote: Sometimes, we hear about people voting with their feet. Here, we invite people

AW: Who decides?

2005-09-10 Thread Leon Rosenberg
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Craig McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Samstag, 10. September 2005 18:06 An: Struts Users Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: Re: Who decides? Here's a couple of things that (had we known then what we know now) would very

Re: AW: Who decides?

2005-09-10 Thread Frank W. Zammetti
Leon Rosenberg wrote: I think they 'de facto' are stateless singletons? I mean the controller only creates one instance, and you shouldn't create another :-) That is how it currently works, and Craig has in the past explained the decision. It made perfect sense 4+ years ago when he first

Re: how to write cookie from a Struts jsp file

2005-09-10 Thread Laurie Harper
Legolas Woodland wrote: Hi Thank you for reading my post. How i can write a cookie from a Struts jsp file into client system ? I mean when user pressed sub,it button i write the cookie in a way that i can use it within logic:present and logic:notPresents tags . There are probably dozens of

Re: Template Depository, but how?

2005-09-10 Thread Laurie Harper
Danny Lee wrote: Hi guys, Let's imagine that I'm building a web store and have a lot of different product groups. For every product group I have a template describing how to peresent the products in this group. My web store have to be cool, so there is an admin interface, where the admin

Re: ActionForm Problem

2005-09-10 Thread Laurie Harper
You're not seeing any data in your action because your JSP doesn't contain anything that would submit data. You have a form in your JSP, but no input elements: all your data is just written to the page as static text. If you want a form to submit data, that form needs to include HTML input

Re: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: Re: RE: how to represent nested bean properties in a jsp form

2005-09-10 Thread Laurie Harper
temp temp wrote: I solved the problem by creating an instance of AddressVO in the formbean. Here is my code after modifications. public class ServiceSelectionForm extends ActionForm { private AddressVO addressVO = new AddressVO(); public AddressVO getAddressVO() {

RE: AW: Who decides?

2005-09-10 Thread Martin Gainty
Leon et al addressing the last item Unit tests easily handled by Artur Hecfyz's tool testsgen (independent of implementation protocol) http://wttools.sourceforge.net/unittestsgen/package.html Struts Portlets can be easily implemented with Oracle JDeveloper via

Re: Who decides?

2005-09-10 Thread Ted Husted
On 9/10/05, Frank W. Zammetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Over the past few months there have been a number of people who have attempted to evolve Struts to catch up in some ways with what other frameworks are doing. They have been turned away, sometimes for obviously legitimate reasons,

AW: AW: Who decides?

2005-09-10 Thread Leon Rosenberg
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Frank W. Zammetti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Samstag, 10. September 2005 18:47 An: Struts Users Mailing List Betreff: Re: AW: Who decides? Leon Rosenberg wrote: I think they 'de facto' are stateless singletons? I mean the controller

Re: Who decides?

2005-09-10 Thread Dakota Jack
The main issue, Adam, was stability. I believe that my statements were useful for the person asking the question. I am not interested in being non-contensious or otherwise satisfying your personal needs. I was trying to answer the question in a helpful way, even if you might do otherwise. If

Re: Who decides?

2005-09-10 Thread Dakota Jack
I really doubt that this writer is so lacking in insight as these sorts of answers reflect. Quite the opposite, assuming that the writer knows this rather obvious sort of thing, the writer seems to be pointing up a problem which this sort of answer seems to miss altogether. On 9/10/05, Larry

Re: Who decides?

2005-09-10 Thread Dakota Jack
Again, there is no reason to think that the writer did not see this. This is a response that fails to address the problem by assuming (as a straw man or a red herring) with no evidence at all that the writer was not aware of this rather obvious fact that people not even involved in the IT

Re: javascript:void() Problem

2005-09-10 Thread Murray Collingwood
You have too many nested quotes. Take out the inner nested double quotes. Try: a href=javascript:void()onclick=submitForm('searchform', 'html:rewrite action=showFVKNAdminView /')show Form Value Key Names/a I don't know if Struts will complain about this, I know it's not XML compliant but it

Wrapping Struts tags in tag files

2005-09-10 Thread Laurie Harper
This isn't really Struts specific, but I'm trying to wrap some of the Struts HTML tags with tag files (in order to compose them into more complex 'controls') and I'm running into a slight problem... Some attributes are mutually exclusive (e.g. 'alt' vs. 'altKey'). I can't see a way to pass

Re: Who decides?

2005-09-10 Thread Murray Collingwood
Hi folks Firstly, please feel free to call me Murray (or Muz if you like to be informal). Being referred to as the author makes me feel like I don't belongand I do. I guessed that there would be a volley of responses to my email but I want to make Craig feel special because he didn't

Re: AW: AW: Who decides?

2005-09-10 Thread Frank W. Zammetti
Assuming I too did not misunderstand, which certainly is possible, that sounds about right based on the last time I looked at doing it (this has been something that has been discussed for as long as I can remember). Although, I don't remember it being even *that* complex :) But, it's been a

Re: Who decides?

2005-09-10 Thread Frank W. Zammetti
Ted, I read what you wrote here with interest. I consider myself a champion of backwards compatibility... in fact, within the past month I recall being involved in a discussion thread here where I seemed to be the only one saying backwards compatibility should not be broken, within the

Problem with Validation of Struts DynaValidatorForm

2005-09-10 Thread Weng Kong Lee
Hi all, I've just started exploring the use of Struts DynaValidatorForms. I've tried to set-up a very simple login form with a username and password fields, where both are required. Here's the relevant details: 1. struts-config.xml The application message resource bundle has been configured with