Re: JSF Vs Struts

2005-09-21 Thread Siva Jagadeesan
> 1. is it difficult to switch from Struts to JSF for Struts-enabled ;-) > developer. How steep is the learning curve? There is going to be initial learning curve for sure. BUT IT IS WORTH it. Struts and JSF are totally in different paradiam. Struts is Action oriented and JSF is component oriented

Re: JSF Vs Struts

2005-09-21 Thread Greg Reddin
On Sep 21, 2005, at 1:40 PM, Wojciech Ciesielski wrote: 1. is it difficult to switch from Struts to JSF for Struts-enabled ;-) developer. How steep is the learning curve? I have not found it terribly difficult, but I've certainly not gone very far with it yet either. I think JSF contains a

Re: JSF vs Struts

2005-04-19 Thread Ted Husted
Mastering JSF (Wiley) compares JSF with Struts and Spring, in the context of teaching JSF. To balance the ticket, you might also want to read something like Struts for Dummies (my favorite Struts book for newbies). If the project doesn't merit reading two books, then you might want to consider Mic

Re: JSF vs Struts

2005-04-19 Thread Michael J.
On 4/19/05, Murali <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > I was trying to find which would be best choice for a website development. > JSF or Struts. JSF looks similar to Struts. does any one know any articles on > which framework should go for. If you don't have experience with either, than o

Re: JSF vs Struts

2005-04-19 Thread Frank W. Zammetti
Well, that's just about the most dangerous question to ask around these parts lately :) But in the end, the answer is what it should be for any vs. choice... examine them both, play with them, understand them, and then make the decision that fits your needs the best. Neither is going away any

Re: JSF vs Struts

2005-04-19 Thread Hubert Rabago
Take a look at http://www.jsfcentral.com/reading/index.html . There are several links there to articles or blogs that attempt to help you compare the two. Hubert On 4/19/05, Murali <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > I was trying to find which would be best choice for a website development

RE: JSF vs Struts

2005-04-19 Thread Murali
Hi, I was trying to find which would be best choice for a website development. JSF or Struts. JSF looks similar to Struts. does any one know any articles on which framework should go for. Thanks - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try

RE: JSF vs Struts

2004-07-19 Thread dhay
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RE: JSF vs Struts

2004-07-19 Thread Matthias Wessendorf
19, 2004 4:25 PM > To: Struts Users Mailing List > Subject: Re: JSF vs Struts > > > Craig McClanahan wrote: > > > With JSF, however, the situation is different. Every JSF component > > is, at its core, just a JavaBean ... it doesn't care what > techno

RE: JSF vs Struts

2004-07-19 Thread Hookom, Jacob
Craig McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 12:13 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: JSF vs Struts On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 10:25:13 -0400, Rick Reumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > We're thinking about using Flash forms for some things. Will they

Re: JSF vs Struts - Development Process Questions

2004-07-19 Thread Bryan Hunt
JSF with spring and hibernate tutorial. http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-07-2004/jw-0719-jsf.html Guess I should read it before I comment again. --b Bryan Hunt wrote: +1 I am sceptical about this technology but potentially it c

Re: JSF vs Struts - Development Process Questions

2004-07-19 Thread Bryan Hunt
+1 I am sceptical about this technology but potentially it could be good. I'm going to look at JSF in 6 months or a years time when it is clearer if this is going to be another timewaster/project wrecker or something usefull and useable. In the meantime I recomend NitroX as well although I don't

RE: JSF vs Struts - Development Process Questions

2004-07-19 Thread Michael McGrady
At 10:51 AM 7/19/2004, you wrote: > If you'd like to see some leading edge Flash, turn up your sound and go to > http://www.2advanced.com/ HELLO! Wow! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail

RE: JSF vs Struts - Development Process Questions

2004-07-19 Thread Robert Taylor
o: Struts Users Mailing List > Subject: Re: JSF vs Struts - Development Process Questions > > > I have some questions regarding the development process when using JSF, especially > in realtion to > HTML designers. Will everyone on the team need the same advanced design tools? > W

Re: JSF vs Struts

2004-07-19 Thread Craig McClanahan
On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 10:25:13 -0400, Rick Reumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > We're thinking about using Flash forms for some things. Will they plugin > nicely to JSF? > Hooking up the output side of that should be a piece of cake ... write some components that render the necessary markup to emb

Re: JSF vs Struts - Development Process Questions

2004-07-19 Thread Mike Duffy
I have some questions regarding the development process when using JSF, especially in realtion to HTML designers. Will everyone on the team need the same advanced design tools? Will the designers who are used to tweaking HTML/JSP be restricted to a completely visual drag and drop environment?

Re: JSF vs Struts

2004-07-19 Thread Michael McGrady
At 01:01 AM 7/19/2004, you wrote: The custom tags that Struts provides (in the html and logic and bean tag libraries) were a necessary precursor to "out of the box" usage of Struts, in order to make it possible to adopt the basic MVC architectural pattenrs. However, that was *always* a secondary f

Re: JSF vs Struts

2004-07-19 Thread Rick Reumann
Craig McClanahan wrote: With JSF, however, the situation is different. Every JSF component is, at its core, just a JavaBean ... it doesn't care what technology is used to ultimately manage the page. Yes, we provide JSP tag wrappers around all the standard components (because that addresses the ne

Re: JSF vs Struts

2004-07-19 Thread Craig McClanahan
On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 23:40:08 -0600, Jeff Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've been monitoring this discussion. I for one like using the struts > html tags over the JSTL/JSF semantically strange tags. > For one thing, feedback from the HTML developers I work with, prefer > html:interate this

RE: JSF vs Struts

2004-07-18 Thread Matthias Wessendorf
://displaytag.sf.net) on using struts/jsp, regards, matthias > -Original Message- > From: Jeff Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 7:40 AM > To: Struts Users Mailing List > Subject: Re: JSF vs Struts > > > I've been monitoring this dis

Re: JSF vs Struts

2004-07-18 Thread Jeff Stewart
I've been monitoring this discussion. I for one like using the struts html tags over the JSTL/JSF semantically strange tags. For one thing, feedback from the HTML developers I work with, prefer html:interate this over the {c:jstl } garboono. I mean, isn't this a big motivation why Struts was cr

Re: JSF vs Struts

2004-07-18 Thread Craig McClanahan
On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 23:56:55 -0400, Rick Reumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Craig McClanahan wrote: > > > For applications you are about to start on, if it is your intent to > > use the Struts HTML tags for your view tier, you should review that > > decision in the light of the developments of t

Re: JSF vs Struts

2004-07-18 Thread Rick Reumann
Craig McClanahan wrote: For applications you are about to start on, if it is your intent to use the Struts HTML tags for your view tier, you should review that decision in the light of the developments of the last few months, since the JSF spec went final, to say nothing of the availability of alte

Re: JSF vs Struts

2004-07-18 Thread Craig McClanahan
On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 10:51:01 +1200, Shane Mingins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > For a new development initiative, why would you choose to use Struts and JSF > over just using JSF? Or is that dumb question? Or is there a link that > answers that question? > Not a dumb question at all ... in fac

RE: JSF vs Struts

2004-07-18 Thread Shane Mingins
> -Original Message- > From: Craig McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, 19 July 2004 5:09 a.m. > To: Struts Users Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: JSF vs Struts > > In particular, though, you need to understand that Struts and JSF

Re: JSF vs Struts

2004-07-18 Thread Craig McClanahan
> > What exactly is officially to be considered a 'corporate developer'? > Honestly, for I don't know. The common VB guy who neither cares > nor even knows much apart from 'point-and-click and it's done, > obviously'? > A corporate developer is more known by what she or he knows, than by what to

Re: JSF vs Struts

2004-07-18 Thread Christian Bollmeyer
On Sunday 18 July 2004 19:08, Craig McClanahan wrote: +1. But one thing I always wondered about, and as you brought the term into play here: > I suspect Bryan might be confusing particular tools (i.e. Sun Java > Studio Creator, deliberately aimed at corporate developers) with the > underlying te

Re: JSF vs Struts

2004-07-18 Thread Craig McClanahan
On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 17:04:44 +0200, Bryan Hunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > struts exists and has existed for a long time. jsf is yet another naf > sun inspired attempt to mimic microsoft. > I suspect Bryan might be confusing particular tools (i.e. Sun Java Studio Creator, deliberately aimed at c

Re: JSF vs Struts

2004-07-18 Thread Bryan Hunt
struts exists and has existed for a long time. jsf is yet another naf sun inspired attempt to mimic microsoft. --b Martin Gainty wrote: Sorry for the simplistic question Starting a new project and trying to get a handle on 2 different approaches What does Struts have to offer over JSF? Thanks, ma