Re: Project still maintained?

2013-07-23 Thread Peter Keller
On Mon, 2013-07-22 at 14:16 -0500, jzh...@ximpleware.com wrote:
 I think vtd-xml is quite comparable to xml bean,...

Looking at the vtd-xml web site on sourceforge, I am struggling to see
much similarity with XMLBeans beyond the superficial one that they both
operate on XML-format data. From my point of view the most significant
difference is that XMLBeans generates a domain-specific API from XML
Schemata, which is done before any XML data can be processed. vtd-xml
presents a generic API to parse and index XML data directly, without
reference to any user/developer-written external entities that define
the structure of the XML data.

Put another way, XMLBeans is all about data integrity, strong and static
typing, validation against external domain-specific data definitions,
and access paths to data that are derived from those external
definitions. vtd-xml is all about efficiency and optimising generic
access to XML data.

Another difference is that in order to distribute applications using
vtd-xml under a non-GPL licence you have to get a commercial licence
from XimpleWare. XMLBeans is distributed under the Apache licence which
is much more permissive.

 
 
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 This is awfully unfortunate. To my knowledge, there's no
 comparable product out there. We're still struggling with a
 few XMLBeans issues that we've had to go to straight DOM to
 work around. I was hoping that future releases would address
 some of these issues, but it doesn't appear to be the case.

Certainly, the reference JAXB implementation doesn't come close, at
least when I tried it last. I was bitten badly by the loss of typing
when every instance of a subtype of IDREF just became a reference to
java.lang.Object. XMLBeans excels in its handling of this kind of thing.

The last time I looked around, the closest thing that I found to
XMLBeans was EclipseLink MOXy. IIRC one of the MOXy developers pointed
out the similarity on this list. Having said that, I fully agree with
others on this thread that it is a real pity that XMLBeans has reached
this state, and would much prefer to see it remain live and at least
maintained, even without development of new features. I don't have a
huge amount of time or advanced expertise to contribute right now,
ironically this is partly because we are just starting a new project
that uses XMLBeans. Porting earlier XMLBeans work to something like MOXy
for this project would be a big task. Also, if I understand the
situation correctly, it would introduce requirements for Eclipse
components at the build stage that use MOXy. These requirements don't
exist with XMLBeans: I can build the API+extensions and bundle them up
with nothing more than a JDK and Saxon, together with ant or some basic
scripting.

I am sure that I could find some time to make a few contributions at the
coding/debugging level. Like others, I have my pet gripes that I would
like to see fixed (such as support for covariant return types that I
have to work around in awful hacky ways, and better handling of
Extension Interfaces). The timing is very bad for me to even consider
taking on a substantial role though.

Regards,
Peter.

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re: Project still maintained?

2013-07-23 Thread Bill Stafford
Peter Keller is correct, VTD is no substitute for XMLBeans.  I would class the 
email suggesting that it was as spam.
The next best approach, if XMLBeans is not an option, would be JAXB.  But JAXB 
is nothing like XMLBeans so I would not call JAXB an equivalent, just a 
substitute.

-=bill  stafford


Re: Project still maintained?

2013-07-23 Thread Elvis Stansvik
2013/7/23 Bill Stafford bstaff...@artificialmed.com

 Peter Keller is correct, VTD is no substitute for XMLBeans.  I would class
 the email suggesting that it was as spam.

 The next best approach, if XMLBeans is not an option, would be JAXB.  But
 JAXB is nothing like XMLBeans so I would not call JAXB an equivalent, just
 a substitute.


Since I wrote my first mail I've switched over to JAXB, which is sufficient
for my quite simple needs. But I still feel it's sad that XMLBeans has been
left unmaintained. But I guess it's a fact of life.

Regards,
Elvis


 

 ** **

 -=bill  stafford



Re: Project still maintained?

2013-07-23 Thread Pascal Heus
We're using XmlBeans in several of our projects and haven't found
anything else out there that does the job like it, particularly when it
comes to dealing with substitution groups and other advanced schema
features. Would very much like to see this stay out of the attic!
best
*P

On 7/23/13 3:26 PM, Elvis Stansvik wrote:
 2013/7/23 Bill Stafford bstaff...@artificialmed.com
 mailto:bstaff...@artificialmed.com

 Peter Keller is correct, VTD is no substitute for XMLBeans.  I
 would class the email suggesting that it was as spam.

 The next best approach, if XMLBeans is not an option, would be
 JAXB.  But JAXB is nothing like XMLBeans so I would not call JAXB
 an equivalent, just a substitute.


 Since I wrote my first mail I've switched over to JAXB, which is
 sufficient for my quite simple needs. But I still feel it's sad that
 XMLBeans has been left unmaintained. But I guess it's a fact of life.

 Regards,
 Elvis
  

  

 -=bill  stafford





Re: Project still maintained?

2013-07-23 Thread mARK aNDREWS
Hi all,

I have been working for a Charity for the last 5 years, and we are using
XMLBeans for Marshalling web service calls to Java with Spring-ws.

These has been a very successful approach and have had no real issues with
it.  I know it counts for little, but It would be a massive shame if the
project was to die.

mARK aNDREWS

m/|RK aNDREWS

website: http://www.mraandrews.co.uk
photos:  http://www.flickr.com/photos/mraandrews
twitter:   http://www.twitter.com/mraandrews


On 23 July 2013 14:36, Pascal Heus pascal.h...@gmail.com wrote:

  We're using XmlBeans in several of our projects and haven't found
 anything else out there that does the job like it, particularly when it
 comes to dealing with substitution groups and other advanced schema
 features. Would very much like to see this stay out of the attic!
 best
 *P


 On 7/23/13 3:26 PM, Elvis Stansvik wrote:

 2013/7/23 Bill Stafford bstaff...@artificialmed.com

  Peter Keller is correct, VTD is no substitute for XMLBeans.  I would
 class the email suggesting that it was as spam.

 The next best approach, if XMLBeans is not an option, would be JAXB.  But
 JAXB is nothing like XMLBeans so I would not call JAXB an equivalent, just
 a substitute.


  Since I wrote my first mail I've switched over to JAXB, which is
 sufficient for my quite simple needs. But I still feel it's sad that
 XMLBeans has been left unmaintained. But I guess it's a fact of life.

  Regards,
 Elvis




 -=bill  stafford






Re: Project still maintained?

2013-07-22 Thread Jacob Danner
Hi Elvis,
The XMLBeans project is in the process of moving to the attic
http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40xmlbeans.apache.org/msg02815.html
-jacobd


On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Elvis Stansvik elvst...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi folks,

 I had a look at the bugs reported over the past 6 months (496-503) [1].
 None of these 7 bugs have been assigned to anyone, and none have been
 commented on by a commiter/maintainer.

 Most of them are fairly well described and have test cases/good
 description, or at least an idea of a fix. Two of them include actual
 patches. One of them seems to be a dupe.

 So my question is: Is the project still maintained?

 Not complaining, just interested in what the status is, since use XMLBeans
 and like it a lot.

 Best regards,
 Elvis Stansvik

 [1]
 https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=project%20%3D%20XMLBEANS%20AND%20created%20%3E%3D%202013-01-01%20AND%20created%20%3C%3D%202013-07-22%20ORDER%20BY%20created%20DESC%2C%20key%20DESC



RE: Project still maintained?

2013-07-22 Thread Paul Gillen
Once again simplicity, utility, and elegance lose out.

 

Cordially,

Paul Gillen

  _  

 

From: Jacob Danner [mailto:jacob.dan...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 1:38 PM
To: user@xmlbeans.apache.org
Subject: Re: Project still maintained?

 

Hi Elvis,

The XMLBeans project is in the process of moving to the attic

http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40xmlbeans.apache.org/msg02815.html

-jacobd

 

On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Elvis Stansvik elvst...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi folks,

 

I had a look at the bugs reported over the past 6 months (496-503) [1]. None
of these 7 bugs have been assigned to anyone, and none have been commented
on by a commiter/maintainer.

 

Most of them are fairly well described and have test cases/good description,
or at least an idea of a fix. Two of them include actual patches. One of
them seems to be a dupe.

 

So my question is: Is the project still maintained?

 

Not complaining, just interested in what the status is, since use XMLBeans
and like it a lot.

 

Best regards,

Elvis Stansvik

 

[1]
https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=project%20%3D%20XMLBEANS%20AND%20
created%20%3E%3D%202013-01-01%20AND%20created%20%3C%3D%202013-07-22%20ORDER%
20BY%20created%20DESC%2C%20key%20DESC

 



Re: Project still maintained?

2013-07-22 Thread Michael Bishop
This is awfully unfortunate. To my knowledge, there's no comparable product
out there. We're still struggling with a few XMLBeans issues that we've had
to go to straight DOM to work around. I was hoping that future releases
would address some of these issues, but it doesn't appear to be the case.

Michael


On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Elvis Stansvik elvst...@gmail.com wrote:

 2013/7/22 Jacob Danner jacob.dan...@gmail.com

 Hi Elvis,
 The XMLBeans project is in the process of moving to the attic
 http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40xmlbeans.apache.org/msg02815.html


 Ah I should have suspected that. That's bad news to me, but
 understandable. I had a small patch I was hoping to get into a 2.6.1
 release.

 Thanks for the quick response.

 Elvis


 -jacobd


 On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Elvis Stansvik elvst...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi folks,

 I had a look at the bugs reported over the past 6 months (496-503) [1].
 None of these 7 bugs have been assigned to anyone, and none have been
 commented on by a commiter/maintainer.

 Most of them are fairly well described and have test cases/good
 description, or at least an idea of a fix. Two of them include actual
 patches. One of them seems to be a dupe.

 So my question is: Is the project still maintained?

 Not complaining, just interested in what the status is, since use
 XMLBeans and like it a lot.

 Best regards,
 Elvis Stansvik

 [1]
 https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=project%20%3D%20XMLBEANS%20AND%20created%20%3E%3D%202013-01-01%20AND%20created%20%3C%3D%202013-07-22%20ORDER%20BY%20created%20DESC%2C%20key%20DESC






Re: Project still maintained?

2013-07-22 Thread Elvis Stansvik
2013/7/22 Jacob Danner jacob.dan...@gmail.com

 Hi Elvis,
 The XMLBeans project is in the process of moving to the attic
 http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40xmlbeans.apache.org/msg02815.html


Ah I should have suspected that. That's bad news to me, but understandable.
I had a small patch I was hoping to get into a 2.6.1 release.

Thanks for the quick response.

Elvis


 -jacobd


 On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Elvis Stansvik elvst...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi folks,

 I had a look at the bugs reported over the past 6 months (496-503) [1].
 None of these 7 bugs have been assigned to anyone, and none have been
 commented on by a commiter/maintainer.

 Most of them are fairly well described and have test cases/good
 description, or at least an idea of a fix. Two of them include actual
 patches. One of them seems to be a dupe.

 So my question is: Is the project still maintained?

 Not complaining, just interested in what the status is, since use
 XMLBeans and like it a lot.

 Best regards,
 Elvis Stansvik

 [1]
 https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=project%20%3D%20XMLBEANS%20AND%20created%20%3E%3D%202013-01-01%20AND%20created%20%3C%3D%202013-07-22%20ORDER%20BY%20created%20DESC%2C%20key%20DESC





Re: Project still maintained?

2013-07-22 Thread Nick Burch

On Mon, 22 Jul 2013, Michael Bishop wrote:
This is awfully unfortunate. To my knowledge, there's no comparable 
product out there. We're still struggling with a few XMLBeans issues 
that we've had to go to straight DOM to work around. I was hoping that 
future releases would address some of these issues, but it doesn't 
appear to be the case.


The project is set to go to the attic as there aren't enough people around 
(on the current PMC) to help maintain it.


If there are new volunteers to help look after it, then it could be saved 
from the attic! If you might be interested in this role, now might be the 
time to read through the resources on http://www.apache.org/dev/ to work 
out what you'd be getting yourself in for, then put yourself forward


Nick
(Who's not on the XMLBeans PMC, but is on other ones)

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RE: Project still maintained?

2013-07-22 Thread Paul Gillen
The spirit is willing but the coding skills are weak.

Cordially,
Paul Gillen


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From: Nick Burch [mailto:apa...@gagravarr.org] 
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 2:00 PM
To: user@xmlbeans.apache.org
Subject: Re: Project still maintained?

On Mon, 22 Jul 2013, Michael Bishop wrote:
 This is awfully unfortunate. To my knowledge, there's no comparable 
 product out there. We're still struggling with a few XMLBeans issues 
 that we've had to go to straight DOM to work around. I was hoping that 
 future releases would address some of these issues, but it doesn't 
 appear to be the case.

The project is set to go to the attic as there aren't enough people around
(on the current PMC) to help maintain it.

If there are new volunteers to help look after it, then it could be saved
from the attic! If you might be interested in this role, now might be the
time to read through the resources on http://www.apache.org/dev/ to work out
what you'd be getting yourself in for, then put yourself forward

Nick
(Who's not on the XMLBeans PMC, but is on other ones)

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Re: Project still maintained?

2013-07-22 Thread Michael Bishop
If I knew the first thing about most of the issues, I'd be more help.
XMLBeans has helped me learn a few things about XML and schemas in general.
Most of our issues are high level; i.e., not just minor bug fixes. For
those interested:

- Documentation on getting XMLBeans to run on the NetBeans platform and/or
an OSGi container would be helpful. With JARs in different modules,
XMLBeans can't find dependent libraries (i.e., finding Saxon to do XPath
queries).

- XMLBeans is advertised as DOM Level 2 compliant, but that doesn't seem to
include the DOM Level 2 event model. In the grand scheme of things, there's
no way I'm aware of to listen for add/edit/remove events in XMLBeans. We've
ended up writing our own and firing the events as needed.

- XML Digital Signatures requires that ID attributes be identified as xs:ID
attributes in the schema. XMLBeans' DOM doesn't support this as it's a DOM
Level 3 feature. Digitally signing documents requires us to reparse the
document as DOM.


If I had the ability to address some of these issues or even provide
guidance, I'd do so. My knowledge to date is that of an end user; I
understand the problem, but not a path to the solution.


On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Nick Burch apa...@gagravarr.org wrote:

 On Mon, 22 Jul 2013, Michael Bishop wrote:

 This is awfully unfortunate. To my knowledge, there's no comparable
 product out there. We're still struggling with a few XMLBeans issues that
 we've had to go to straight DOM to work around. I was hoping that future
 releases would address some of these issues, but it doesn't appear to be
 the case.


 The project is set to go to the attic as there aren't enough people around
 (on the current PMC) to help maintain it.

 If there are new volunteers to help look after it, then it could be saved
 from the attic! If you might be interested in this role, now might be the
 time to read through the resources on http://www.apache.org/dev/ to work
 out what you'd be getting yourself in for, then put yourself forward

 Nick
 (Who's not on the XMLBeans PMC, but is on other ones)

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Re: Project still maintained?

2013-07-22 Thread jzhang
I think vtd-xml is quite comparable to xml bean,...

- Original Message -
From: user@xmlbeans.apache.org
To:
Cc:
Sent:Mon, 22 Jul 2013 13:46:37 -0400
Subject:Re: Project still maintained?

This is awfully unfortunate. To my knowledge, there's no comparable
product out there. We're still struggling with a few XMLBeans issues
that we've had to go to straight DOM to work around. I was hoping that
future releases would address some of these issues, but it doesn't
appear to be the case.

Michael

On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Elvis Stansvik  wrote:
2013/7/22 Jacob Danner 
 Hi Elvis,The XMLBeans project is in the process of moving to the
attichttp://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40xmlbeans.apache.org/msg02815.html
[3] 
Ah I should have suspected that. That's bad news to me, but
understandable. I had a small patch I was hoping to get into a 2.6.1
release.
Thanks for the quick response.  
Elvis

-jacobd

On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Elvis Stansvik  wrote:
Hi folks,
I had a look at the bugs reported over the past 6 months (496-503)
[1]. None of these 7 bugs have been assigned to anyone, and none have
been commented on by a commiter/maintainer. 
Most of them are fairly well described and have test cases/good
description, or at least an idea of a fix. Two of them include actual
patches. One of them seems to be a dupe.
 So my question is: Is the project still maintained? 
Not complaining, just interested in what the status is, since use
XMLBeans and like it a lot.
Best regards,Elvis Stansvik
[1] 
https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=project%20%3D%20XMLBEANS%20AND%20created%20%3E%3D%202013-01-01%20AND%20created%20%3C%3D%202013-07-22%20ORDER%20BY%20created%20DESC%2C%20key%20DESC
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