Re: State of the current Camel wiki documentation

2018-01-18 Thread Claus Ibsen
Hi You can easily edit the docs online on github, just selected the documentation file, and click the edit button and it has an in-place editor, and when you save it creates a PR. When you do so, then on top of github you should see something along the lines of You’re editing a file in a project

Re: Re: State of the current Camel wiki documentation

2018-01-18 Thread Paul Gale
>By the way, at the time of moving the docs, there were discussion about this. This may very well be moot, or rather closing the door after the horse has bolted. However, I wasn't active at that time. Plus my experience with such matters is that as I'm not a committer I don't really get a say or c

Re: Re: State of the current Camel wiki documentation

2018-01-18 Thread Andrea Cosentino
You won't have to wait for a new release of Camel to see the site updated. The documentation will go live, as the site of confluence was. In that way you'll have the actual Snapshot documentation always updated. Once we released a version, the documentation will be freezed as that version docs.

Re: Re: State of the current Camel wiki documentation

2018-01-18 Thread Paul Gale
Funny that, I never had any problems editing the wiki. Not that I'm not endorsing the old tooling - it could have have been much improved. However, despite not being the most pleasant system to use it didn't prevent me from doing the work. What's more any edits I made would show up on the wiki with

Re: State of the current Camel wiki documentation

2018-01-18 Thread Andrea Cosentino
I don't know what it is your problem with PRs. Camel is a project where all the PRs are processed in small amount of time and also we aren't pedantic. All the PRs are generally accepted and merged in a few days. There is no need for relaxing about PRs.  Also on confluence, we don't have any kin

R: Re: State of the current Camel wiki documentation

2018-01-18 Thread Andrea Cosentino
The only thing to consider here is that having a site separated from repo with docs never really worked and it's ALWAYS out of sync. Inviato da Yahoo Mail su Android Il ven, 19 gen, 2018 alle 2:00, Paul Gale ha scritto: >I generally agree that the documentation should be part of the code o

Re: State of the current Camel wiki documentation

2018-01-18 Thread Paul Gale
>I generally agree that the documentation should be part of the code otherwise >it is out of alignment. If by 'alignment' you mean that the doc is correct with regard to the source it shipped with can be inferred because they came from the same repo/commit? If so that doesn't make sense to me. E

Re: State of the current Camel wiki documentation

2018-01-18 Thread Paul Gale
>> No, it would not. It would require a pull request. A committer can commit without approval, no? That's the scenario I was referring to in the case of documentation. At no point in the old scheme did an edit require approval via a PR. >Take a moment and actually look at https://github.com/apach

Re: State of the current Camel wiki documentation

2018-01-18 Thread Owain McGuire
Paul, One of the hardest aspects of using Camel is the ability to read the documentation. We generally use “pair-reading” to interpret unfamiliar areas - reviewing the examples, tests and source code are more productive. I generally agree that the documentation should be part of the code othe

Re: State of the current Camel wiki documentation

2018-01-18 Thread Brett Meyer
> To have that same ability in the new scheme would require committer rights. No, it would not.  It would require a pull request. > if they're accepting said requests by reflex then they're not adding any value so why have them in the loop They're not.  I don't think I've ever seen anyone on

Re: State of the current Camel wiki documentation

2018-01-18 Thread Paul Gale
Trust me, I have no love for Confluence as a product. However, even with only editor rights I could work completely autonomously when it came to editing the documentation. The ease with which I could update the documentation made me all the more willing to do so, even for simple typos and reformatt

Re: State of the current Camel wiki documentation

2018-01-18 Thread Brett Meyer
Pull requests are still a thing, right? ;) Kidding aside, the GitHub pull request and review process seems highly preferable to fighting the wonky Confluence platform, especially since it gives the community a chance to chat about proposed changes before they're merged. What about that is co

Re: State of the current Camel wiki documentation

2018-01-18 Thread Paul Gale
Brett, Thanks for your response. You have confirmed my worst fears about the documentation solution. Oh well, all those future edits I had in mind, gone. Thanks, Paul On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 4:55 PM, Brett Meyer wrote: > Hey Paul, I asked the same question a couple of weeks ago -- Claus remind

Re: State of the current Camel wiki documentation

2018-01-18 Thread Brett Meyer
Hey Paul, I asked the same question a couple of weeks ago -- Claus reminded me about the move to asciidoc in the central repo: https://github.com/apache/camel/tree/master/docs/user-manual/en However, we might consider at least adding a note to the tops of the current Confluence docs (assuming