Re: cvsup

2008-01-21 Thread Nicolas Thery
2008/1/21, Dave Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Matthew Dillon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What, people didn't know we install a Makefile in /usr? Well, now you do! Er...maybe it's because I'm running 1.8.2 that I don't see one in /usr? When did you folks start doing this? 1.10 IIRC.

Re: cvsup

2008-01-21 Thread Simon 'corecode' Schubert
Matthew Dillon wrote: One of the original reasons for using cvsup was so people could maintain local branches of the repository. I don't think people do this much anymore, if they do it all. Disk space is so cheap these days that keeping a master sync copy and a separate one for

Re: cvsup

2008-01-21 Thread Petr Janda
People use git or hg nowadays :) I just can't stop nagging, it is unbelievably useful, especially for team work. It's been now many times I heared great things about git, while I never personally used it, as I use rsync to keep my development projects syncronized. Why don't we switch to to

Re: rsync and new mirroring tool (was cvsup)

2008-01-21 Thread Vincent Stemen
On 2008-01-21, Matthew Dillon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We could just add rsync targets in our /usr/Makefile in addition to all the cvsup/pkgsrc targets already in there. What, people didn't know we install a Makefile in /usr? Well, now you do!

Re: cvsup

2008-01-21 Thread Matthias Schmidt
* Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 09:24:02 +0100 Nicolas Thery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/1/21, Dave Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Matthew Dillon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What, people didn't know we install a Makefile in /usr? Well, now you do! Er...maybe

Re: cvsup

2008-01-21 Thread Steve O'Hara-Smith
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 09:24:02 +0100 Nicolas Thery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/1/21, Dave Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Matthew Dillon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What, people didn't know we install a Makefile in /usr? Well, now you do! Er...maybe it's because I'm running 1.8.2 that I

Re: cvsup

2008-01-21 Thread Nicolas Thery
2008/1/21, Steve O'Hara-Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 09:24:02 +0100 Nicolas Thery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/1/21, Dave Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Matthew Dillon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What, people didn't know we install a Makefile in /usr? Well, now you

Re: cvsup

2008-01-21 Thread Bill Hacker
Matthew Dillon wrote: People shouldn't worry about server side overhead all that much. Cpu cycles are cheap and the cvs tree is completely cached in memory anyway. And the only effect that extra network bandwidth has is that it takes a little longer to run the operation. Now,

Re: cvsup

2008-01-21 Thread Bill Hacker
Simon 'corecode' Schubert wrote: Matthew Dillon wrote: One of the original reasons for using cvsup was so people could maintain local branches of the repository. I don't think people do this much anymore, if they do it all. Disk space is so cheap these days that keeping a master

Re: how to get dragonfly and freebsd source code

2008-01-21 Thread dark0s Optik
I'm reading a book about general architecture of microprocessors, and I am reading also a book of UltraSPARC microprocessor. I would like to learn how to program a processor, but in C language, and not in assembly! I would like to port a OS over UltraSPARC, for istance over DragonFly. Well I'm

Re: rsync and new mirroring tool (was cvsup)

2008-01-21 Thread Simon 'corecode' Schubert
Vincent Stemen wrote: sites += crater.dragonflybsd.org::dragonfly_cvs could you please not mirror off crater? Matt's link is quite resource constrained and should mainly be used for feeding mirrors and developers. Typing in a shell with high latency sucks :) cheers simon

Re: cvsup

2008-01-21 Thread Simon 'corecode' Schubert
Bill Hacker wrote: CVS has been the 'compromise' that is at least not harmful or overly demanding. CVS *is* harmful. I can't run a patch and work on a different issue myself - I'll mix both. Or I'll have to check out into another tree and lose the patch. Rather than 'nag' - set up what you

Re: cvsup

2008-01-21 Thread Simon 'corecode' Schubert
Nicolas Thery wrote: What, people didn't know we install a Makefile in /usr? Well, now you do! Er...maybe it's because I'm running 1.8.2 that I don't see one in /usr? When did you folks start doing this? 1.10 IIRC. Eh? I thought that was a joke. There's no /usr/Makefile on this

Re: cvsup

2008-01-21 Thread Bill Hacker
Simon 'corecode' Schubert wrote: Bill Hacker wrote: CVS has been the 'compromise' that is at least not harmful or overly demanding. CVS *is* harmful. To you, and other running experimental differences, perhaps so.. I can't run a patch and work on a different issue myself - I'll mix both.

Re: cvsup

2008-01-21 Thread Steve O'Hara-Smith
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 13:59:12 +0100 Simon 'corecode' Schubert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nicolas Thery wrote: Maybe you need to install from a CD to get this makefile? I guess so. Nothing does a make distribution except for mergemaster, and mergemaster doesn't merge /usr, I think.

Re: cvsup

2008-01-21 Thread Simon 'corecode' Schubert
Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: Maybe you need to install from a CD to get this makefile? I guess so. Nothing does a make distribution except for mergemaster, and mergemaster doesn't merge /usr, I think. Hmm, I haven't used mergemaster since the upgrade target went into /usr/src/Makefile to

Re: cvsup

2008-01-21 Thread Simon 'corecode' Schubert
Bill Hacker wrote: I can't run a patch and work on a different issue myself - I'll mix both. Or I'll have to check out into another tree and lose the patch. Indeed. And have to go find it and manually re-apply, and/or alter and re-apply 'coz it no longer fits quite tha same on code that has

Re: cvsup

2008-01-21 Thread Matthew Dillon
:... : Hmm, I haven't used mergemaster since the upgrade target went : into /usr/src/Makefile to replace it. I'm mildly surprised to find it's : still in the system, is it of any actual use ? : :Absolutely. There is no other way to merge config files, for instance :ssh, sshd, inetd, etc. :

Re: rsync and new mirroring tool (was cvsup)

2008-01-21 Thread Vincent Stemen
On 2008-01-21, Simon 'corecode' Schubert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vincent Stemen wrote: sites += crater.dragonflybsd.org::dragonfly_cvs could you please not mirror off crater? Matt's link is quite resource constrained and should mainly be used for feeding mirrors and developers. Typing in

Re: rsync and new mirroring tool (was cvsup)

2008-01-21 Thread Peter Avalos
On Mon, Jan 21, 2008 at 09:00:31PM +, Vincent Stemen wrote: 1. Leave it last in the list and add what you said as a comment to make it convenient for developers and mirrors who might need to use it. 2. Same as 1 but have crater commented out by default. 3.

Re: cvsup

2008-01-21 Thread walt
Simon 'corecode' Schubert wrote: .. Oh yes, everybody who EVER tried adding third party software to the repo, or rather kept maintaining it, has been swearing on CVS... Heh. That's ambiguous in colloquial English, which admittedly makes no sense and therefore is difficult to learn. You

Re: cvsup

2008-01-21 Thread Simon 'corecode' Schubert
walt wrote: Anyway, you created a DragonFly-git repo at http://repo.or.cz but it is out of date now. They do offer an automatic update service, which sounds very good: In the mirror mode, we will check the remote repository at the URL you give us every hour and if we spot any changes, we will

Re: cvsup

2008-01-21 Thread Bill Hacker
Simon 'corecode' Schubert wrote: Bill Hacker wrote: *trimmed* The bottom line - viewing it not a a coder, which I haven't been for around 30 years - but as a Manager of scarce resources - primarily *time*, and not even my own in this case - is that: - Apparent: No readily available 'one

Re: rsync and new mirroring tool (was cvsup)

2008-01-21 Thread Matthew Dillon
:Understood. I suspected something like that might be the case since it :was not in the download site list on dragonflybsd.org. That is why :I put it last :-). : :Mirror will use the first site in the list by default unless you specify :one of the others on the command line. For the default