Re: Hammer or ZFS based backup, encryption

2009-02-23 Thread Jasse Jansson
On Feb 23, 2009, at 8:10 AM, Bill Hacker wrote: Freddie Cash wrote: On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Csaba Henk csaba.h...@creo.hu wrote: I need to setup a backup machine, and I intend to utilize today's snapshotty filesystems (which boils down to Dfly+Hammer or FBSD +ZFS -- btrfs is not

Re: OT - was Hammer or ZFS based backup, encryption

2009-02-23 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 05:19:14PM +0100, Jasse Jansson wrote: On Feb 23, 2009, at 11:54 AM, Bill Hacker wrote: Robert Luciani wrote: Freddie Cash wrote: Booting FreeBSD 7.1 into a full KDE 4.2 desktop takes less than 5 minutes. This is using 3x 120 GB SATA drives in a single raidz1. Wow 5

Re: Hammer or ZFS based backup, encryption

2009-02-23 Thread Kyle Butt
On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 05:18:09PM +0100, Jasse Jansson wrote: On Feb 23, 2009, at 8:10 AM, Bill Hacker wrote: Freddie Cash wrote: *snipped* But there we are, Startup 'seeding; is unavidable, but thereafter ... among other things, looking to reduce the reliance on rsync (and similar

Re: Hammer or ZFS based backup, encryption

2009-02-23 Thread Bill Hacker
Jasse Jansson wrote: On Feb 23, 2009, at 8:10 AM, Bill Hacker wrote: *trimmed* But there we are, Startup 'seeding; is unavidable, but thereafter ... among other things, looking to reduce the reliance on rsync (and similar CVS'ish or git'ish techniques) having to 'inventory' stuff at a

Re: OT - was Hammer or ZFS based backup, encryption

2009-02-23 Thread Bill Hacker
Jeremy Chadwick wrote: On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 05:19:14PM +0100, Jasse Jansson wrote: On Feb 23, 2009, at 11:54 AM, Bill Hacker wrote: Robert Luciani wrote: Freddie Cash wrote: Booting FreeBSD 7.1 into a full KDE 4.2 desktop takes less than 5 minutes. This is using 3x 120 GB SATA drives in

Re: OT - was Hammer or ZFS based backup, encryption

2009-02-23 Thread Ulrich Spörlein
On Sun, 22.02.2009 at 22:45:40 +0100, Michael Neumann wrote: Am Sun, 22 Feb 2009 06:33:44 -0800 schrieb Jeremy Chadwick j...@parodius.com: What you're trying to describe won't work, for the same reason I described above (with your zpool add tank ad8s1 command). You can split the disk

Re: OT - was Hammer or ZFS based backup, encryption

2009-02-23 Thread Freddie Cash
On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 2:35 AM, Robert Luciani rluci...@gmail.com wrote: Freddie Cash wrote: Booting FreeBSD 7.1 into a full KDE 4.2 desktop takes less than 5 minutes. This is using 3x 120 GB SATA drives in a single raidz1. Wow 5 minutes?! I don't think I'd be pushing it if I said that

Re: OT - was Hammer or ZFS based backup, encryption

2009-02-23 Thread Freddie Cash
On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 8:44 AM, Jeremy Chadwick j...@parodius.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 05:19:14PM +0100, Jasse Jansson wrote: On Feb 23, 2009, at 11:54 AM, Bill Hacker wrote: Robert Luciani wrote: Freddie Cash wrote: Booting FreeBSD 7.1 into a full KDE 4.2 desktop takes less than

Re: Hammer or ZFS based backup, encryption

2009-02-23 Thread Freddie Cash
On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 11:10 PM, Bill Hacker w...@conducive.org wrote: Freddie Cash wrote: On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Csaba Henk csaba.h...@creo.hu wrote: I need to setup a backup machine, and I intend to utilize today's snapshotty filesystems (which boils down to Dfly+Hammer or

Re: OT - was Hammer or ZFS based backup, encryption

2009-02-22 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 02:46:15PM +1100, Dmitri Nikulin wrote: On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Jeremy Chadwick j...@parodius.com wrote: I'm a little surprised to see BSD put alongside Linux when it comes to development pace. Certainly, I don't mean that BSD is at all keeping pace with

Re: OT - was Hammer or ZFS based backup, encryption

2009-02-22 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 01:36:28PM +0100, Michael Neumann wrote: Am Sat, 21 Feb 2009 19:17:11 -0800 schrieb Jeremy Chadwick j...@parodius.com: On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 11:59:57AM +1100, Dmitri Nikulin wrote: On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Bill Hacker w...@conducive.org wrote:

Re: OT - was Hammer or ZFS based backup, encryption

2009-02-22 Thread Bill Hacker
Michael Neumann wrote: Am Sat, 21 Feb 2009 19:17:11 -0800 schrieb Jeremy Chadwick j...@parodius.com: On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 11:59:57AM +1100, Dmitri Nikulin wrote: On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Bill Hacker w...@conducive.org wrote: Hopefully more 'good stuff' will be ported out of

Re: OT - was Hammer or ZFS based backup, encryption

2009-02-22 Thread Bill Hacker
Jeremy Chadwick wrote: On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 01:36:28PM +0100, Michael Neumann wrote: Am Sat, 21 Feb 2009 19:17:11 -0800 schrieb Jeremy Chadwick j...@parodius.com: *snip* The one thing we all agree on is that, generally speaking, UFS isn't cutting it. :-) *I* don't agree. Mind, we

Re: OT - was Hammer or ZFS based backup, encryption

2009-02-22 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 08:12:36PM +0100, Ulrich Spörlein wrote: On Sun, 22.02.2009 at 06:33:44 -0800, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 01:36:28PM +0100, Michael Neumann wrote: Okay zpool remove doesn't seem to work as expected, but it should work well at least for RAID-1

Re: OT - was Hammer or ZFS based backup, encryption

2009-02-22 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 04:53:35AM +0800, Bill Hacker wrote: Jeremy Chadwick wrote: *snip* The problem I was attempting to describe: all pool members must be the same size, otherwise all members are considered to be equal to the size of the smallest. In English: you cannot mix-and-match

Re: OT - was Hammer or ZFS based backup, encryption

2009-02-22 Thread Freddie Cash
On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 6:33 AM, Jeremy Chadwick j...@parodius.com wrote: I've been through this procedure twice in the past year, as I replaced 250GB disks with 500GB, and then 500GB disks with 750GB. It's a *huge* pain, and I cannot imagine anyone in an enterprise environment using ZFS to

Re: OT - was Hammer or ZFS based backup, encryption

2009-02-22 Thread Freddie Cash
On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 6:33 AM, Jeremy Chadwick j...@parodius.com wrote: On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 01:36:28PM +0100, Michael Neumann wrote: Okay zpool remove doesn't seem to work as expected, but it should work well at least for RAID-1 (which probably no one uses for large storage systems ;-).

Re: OT - was Hammer or ZFS based backup, encryption

2009-02-22 Thread Freddie Cash
On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 7:50 AM, Bill Hacker w...@conducive.org wrote: Side issue again - just brought up DFLY 2.3.0, default all-hammer layout. - atop a natacontrol RAID1 on a pair of salvaged 60 GB IBM 'Deathstars'. - VIA C7 1.5 GHz CPU (the el-cheapo MB aimed at Wal-Mart) - pulled half the

Re: Hammer or ZFS based backup, encryption

2009-02-22 Thread Freddie Cash
On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Csaba Henk csaba.h...@creo.hu wrote: I need to setup a backup machine, and I intend to utilize today's snapshotty filesystems (which boils down to Dfly+Hammer or FBSD+ZFS -- btrfs is not there yet, and I don't feel like dwelving into Solaris). Set up such an

Re: OT - was Hammer or ZFS based backup, encryption

2009-02-22 Thread Freddie Cash
On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Jeremy Chadwick j...@parodius.com wrote: On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 11:59:57AM +1100, Dmitri Nikulin wrote: On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Bill Hacker w...@conducive.org wrote: Hopefully more 'good stuff' will be ported out of Solaris before it hits the

Re: Hammer or ZFS based backup, encryption

2009-02-22 Thread Bill Hacker
Freddie Cash wrote: On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Csaba Henk csaba.h...@creo.hu wrote: I need to setup a backup machine, and I intend to utilize today's snapshotty filesystems (which boils down to Dfly+Hammer or FBSD+ZFS -- btrfs is not there yet, and I don't feel like dwelving into

Re: Hammer or ZFS based backup, encryption

2009-02-21 Thread invalid
On 2009-02-21, Csaba Henk csaba.h...@creo.hu wrote: snip I don't feel like dwelving into Solaris This is a little off topic...but I don't blame you as I have gone through installing and then ditching Solaris more than a few times myself. This last time with Solaris 10 10/08 I think it's going

Re: OT - was Hammer or ZFS based backup, encryption

2009-02-21 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 11:59:57AM +1100, Dmitri Nikulin wrote: On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Bill Hacker w...@conducive.org wrote: Hopefully more 'good stuff' will be ported out of Solaris before it hits the 'too costly vs the alternatives' wall and is orphaned. Btrfs has been merged