Re: 7-Zip / Bzip2

2008-05-11 Thread Freddie Cash
Compression algorithms are something that should be handled via an extendle library. And the front-end apps (gzip, bzip2, 7z, etc) should just use that library to do the heavy lifting. Instead of pulling in another app, consider pulling in libarchive and friends from FreeBSD 6+, and then adding

Re: 7-Zip / Bzip2

2008-05-11 Thread Steve O'Hara-Smith
On Sun, 11 May 2008 10:46:38 -0700 Freddie Cash [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Compression algorithms are something that should be handled via an extendle library. And the front-end apps (gzip, bzip2, 7z, etc) should just use that library to do the heavy lifting. Instead of pulling in another

Re: 7-Zip / Bzip2

2008-05-11 Thread Joerg Sonnenberger
On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 10:46:38AM -0700, Freddie Cash wrote: Instead of pulling in another app, consider pulling in libarchive and friends from FreeBSD 6+, and then adding 7z support to that. You know that one of the two reasons I wrote the compression_program support in libarchive was 7z's

Re: 7-Zip / Bzip2

2008-05-11 Thread Freddie Cash
On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Joerg Sonnenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 10:46:38AM -0700, Freddie Cash wrote: Instead of pulling in another app, consider pulling in libarchive and friends from FreeBSD 6+, and then adding 7z support to that. You know that one of

Re: 7-Zip / Bzip2

2008-05-09 Thread Oliver Fromme
thegraze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But 7z is GPL! Which is not an impediment per-se. After all it's just a userland tool, not a library or even part of the kernel. Remember that gzip was GPL for a long time, before the NetBSD people started writing a replacement tool. On the other hand, it

Re: 7-Zip / Bzip2

2008-05-09 Thread Ben Cadieux
Which is not an impediment per-se. After all it's just a userland tool, not a library or even part of the kernel. Not to nit-pick, but it's LGPL, not GPL, so it's not *so* bad :) So, is 7z useful enough to add a fourth compression tool to the base system? And keep it there forever?

Re: 7-Zip / Bzip2

2008-05-07 Thread thegraze
But 7z is GPL! 2008/5/6 Matthew Dillon [EMAIL PROTECTED]: :I just noticed I still have these sitting here so I figured I would post :sizes. 1.12.1 ISO 294M, bz2 108M, 7z 74M, zip 118M, gz 120M. : :Sam Those are impressive numbers. I will keep an eye on it. If 7z is

Re: 7-Zip / Bzip2

2008-05-07 Thread Simon 'corecode' Schubert
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Re: 7-Zip / Bzip2

2008-05-06 Thread Samuel J. Greear
Samuel J. Greear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Matthew Dillon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :Hi, : :Posted this to kernel@ by accident, please reply here instead :) : :I just wanted to know if there's any interest for the devs to add

Re: 7-Zip / Bzip2

2008-05-06 Thread Samuel J. Greear
Samuel J. Greear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Matthew Dillon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :Hi, : :Posted this to kernel@ by accident, please reply here instead :) : :I just wanted to know if there's any interest for the devs to add

Re: 7-Zip / Bzip2

2008-05-06 Thread Cristi Magherusan
Hello, On Tue, 2008-05-06 at 09:51 -0700, Samuel J. Greear wrote: Samuel J. Greear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Matthew Dillon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :Hi, : :Posted this to kernel@ by accident, please reply here

Re: 7-Zip / Bzip2

2008-05-06 Thread Matthew Dillon
:I just noticed I still have these sitting here so I figured I would post :sizes. 1.12.1 ISO 294M, bz2 108M, 7z 74M, zip 118M, gz 120M. : :Sam Those are impressive numbers. I will keep an eye on it. If 7z is consistently better then bz2 I expect it will become widely adopted. I

Re: 7-Zip / Bzip2

2008-05-06 Thread Steve O'Hara-Smith
On Tue, 06 May 2008 20:29:53 +0300 Cristi Magherusan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The compression time is not an issue for install disks, and decompression extra time of 7z is insignificant, but the best usage for this would be when packaging sources, not the installer CD, whose size will grow

Re: 7-Zip / Bzip2

2008-05-06 Thread Matthew Dillon
Well, the issue is not so much one of download bandwidth as it is one of accessibility. Everyone has gzip, not everyone has 7z (yet). I would rather not have multiple compression formats on the download site, nor require that people have 7z in order to be able to unpack our

Re: 7-Zip / Bzip2

2008-05-06 Thread Ben Cadieux
Well, the issue is not so much one of download bandwidth as it is one of accessibility. Everyone has gzip, not everyone has 7z (yet). I would rather not have multiple compression formats on the download site, nor require that people have 7z in order to be able to unpack

Re: 7-Zip / Bzip2

2008-05-06 Thread Ben Cadieux
For everyone concerned with timing, I tested compressing a 4gb image of a quad boot USB key with a variety of junk on it at compression level 4. It still beats bzip2 by 90 mb and was almost 3 minutes quicker: # time -h bzip2 -k key.img 11m59.71s real 10m39.48s user

Re: 7-Zip / Bzip2

2008-05-06 Thread Hasso Tepper
Samuel J. Greear wrote: I just noticed I still have these sitting here so I figured I would post sizes. 1.12.1 ISO 294M, bz2 108M, 7z 74M, zip 118M, gz 120M. lrz 69M It doesn't mean that I care though. In fact, I use gzip most of time - bandwith is quite cheap nowadays. -- Hasso Tepper

Re: 7-Zip / Bzip2

2008-05-05 Thread Matthew Dillon
:Hi, : :Posted this to kernel@ by accident, please reply here instead :) : :I just wanted to know if there's any interest for the devs to add :something like p7zip to the base install; even if it's a simple fork :that only supports 7z. While 7zip is about as obnoxiously slow as :bzip2, it

Re: 7-Zip / Bzip2

2008-05-05 Thread Samuel J. Greear
Matthew Dillon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :Hi, : :Posted this to kernel@ by accident, please reply here instead :) : :I just wanted to know if there's any interest for the devs to add :something like p7zip to the base install; even if it's a simple fork :that