Re: Xen vs VMware

2006-10-26 Thread Saverio Iacovelli
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Re: Xen vs VMware

2006-10-22 Thread Freddie Cash
On Sun, October 22, 2006 9:41 am, Andreas Hauser wrote: > wa1ter wrote @ Sat, 21 Oct 2006 10:25:31 -0700: >> Andreas Hauser wrote: >>> dillon wrote @ Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:34:02 -0700 (PDT): >>> Unless you use a current processor (Intel or Amd e.g.) which come >>> with hardware virtualization... >> >

Re: Xen vs VMware

2006-10-22 Thread Matthew Dillon
:> Can you point out which processors have this hardware -- are they the :> 64-bit models only? My instincts tell me that the 64-bit hardware :> could virtualize a 32-bit machine -- but that's a pure guess on my part. : :No, it has nothing to do with 32-bit or 64-bit. :Amd calls it Pacifica and I

Re: Xen vs VMware

2006-10-22 Thread Andreas Hauser
wa1ter wrote @ Sat, 21 Oct 2006 10:25:31 -0700: > Andreas Hauser wrote: > > dillon wrote @ Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:34:02 -0700 (PDT): > > > >> Xen is an operating environment. Operating systems running under Xen > >> have to be aware that they are running under Xen. > > > > Unless you use a

Re: Xen vs VMware

2006-10-21 Thread Magnus Eriksson
On Sat, 21 Oct 2006, Joerg Sonnenberger wrote: On Sat, Oct 21, 2006 at 06:38:06PM +0200, Andreas Hauser wrote: dillon wrote @ Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:34:02 -0700 (PDT): Operating systems running under Xen have to be aware that they are running under Xen. Unless you use a current proce

Re: Xen vs VMware

2006-10-21 Thread Joerg Sonnenberger
On Sat, Oct 21, 2006 at 06:38:06PM +0200, Andreas Hauser wrote: > dillon wrote @ Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:34:02 -0700 (PDT): > > > Xen is an operating environment. Operating systems running under Xen > > have to be aware that they are running under Xen. > > Unless you use a current processor

Re: Xen vs VMware

2006-10-21 Thread Magnus Eriksson
On Sat, 21 Oct 2006, walt wrote: Andreas Hauser wrote: Unless you use a current processor (Intel or Amd e.g.) which come with hardware virtualization... Can you point out which processors have this hardware -- are they the 64-bit models only? My instincts tell me that the 64-bit hardware

Re: Xen vs VMware

2006-10-21 Thread walt
Andreas Hauser wrote: > dillon wrote @ Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:34:02 -0700 (PDT): > >> Xen is an operating environment. Operating systems running under Xen >> have to be aware that they are running under Xen. > > Unless you use a current processor (Intel or Amd e.g.) which come with > hardw

Re: Xen vs VMware

2006-10-21 Thread Andreas Hauser
dillon wrote @ Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:34:02 -0700 (PDT): > Xen is an operating environment. Operating systems running under Xen > have to be aware that they are running under Xen. Unless you use a current processor (Intel or Amd e.g.) which come with hardware virtualization. There are only

Re: Xen vs VMware

2006-10-19 Thread Justin C. Sherrill
On Wed, October 18, 2006 3:51 pm, Kevin L. Kane wrote: > As an aside has anyone tried using DragonFly under Xen with the VT > enabled hardware? Though this isn't the exact scenario you are asking about, I've used DragonFly under Parallels on VT-enabled hardware, and it worked well. There was no

Re: Xen vs VMware

2006-10-18 Thread Bill Hacker
Steve Mynott wrote: On 10/18/06, Matthew Dillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Generally speaking I prefer the VMWare concept over the Xen concept. Xen actually has to run two operating systems, one serving as the master and the other as the 'guest' OS, and this compounds the number

Re: Xen vs VMware

2006-10-18 Thread Freddie Cash
On Wednesday 18 October 2006 12:42 pm, Steve Mynott wrote: > On 10/18/06, Matthew Dillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Generally speaking I prefer the VMWare concept over the Xen > > concept. Xen actually has to run two operating systems, one serving > > as the master and the other as the 'gue

Re: Xen vs VMware

2006-10-18 Thread Kevin L. Kane
Possibly offtopic for this thread, but: Will the approach your taking with DragonFly allow for quickly and easily migrating the virtualized kernels between machines? Also, what about the possibility of running your userland kernels under other operating systems? One of the advantages that Xen a

Re: Xen vs VMware

2006-10-18 Thread Matthew Dillon
:Possibly offtopic for this thread, but: : :Will the approach your taking with DragonFly allow for quickly and :easily migrating the virtualized kernels between machines? : :Also, what about the possibility of running your userland kernels :under other operating systems? One of the advantages tha

Re: Xen vs VMware

2006-10-18 Thread Matthew Dillon
:On 10/18/06, Matthew Dillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: : :> Generally speaking I prefer the VMWare concept over the Xen concept. :> Xen actually has to run two operating systems, one serving as the :> master and the other as the 'guest' OS, and this compounds the :> number of pote

Re: Xen vs VMware

2006-10-18 Thread Kevin L. Kane
On 10/18/06, Matthew Dillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Generally speaking I prefer the VMWare concept over the Xen concept. Xen actually has to run two operating systems, one serving as the master and the other as the 'guest' OS, and this compounds the number of potential bugs yo

Re: Xen vs VMware

2006-10-18 Thread Steve Mynott
On 10/18/06, Matthew Dillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Generally speaking I prefer the VMWare concept over the Xen concept. Xen actually has to run two operating systems, one serving as the master and the other as the 'guest' OS, and this compounds the number of potential bugs yo

Re: Xen vs VMware

2006-10-18 Thread Joerg Sonnenberger
On Wed, Oct 18, 2006 at 08:18:59PM +0200, Saverio Iacovelli wrote: > 1) What is the difference beetwen Xen and VMware? Xen is a small kernel which provides an interface for specially modified kernels to issue privileged instructions. Means that instead of modifying e.g. the page table directly, th

Re: Xen vs VMware

2006-10-18 Thread Matthew Dillon
:1) What is the difference beetwen Xen and VMware? :2) What is the better choice: Xen or VMware? :3) Why does it exist a project of porting for Xen on :DragonFly, and why it doesn't exist the same project :for VMware? VMWare is a machine emulator. Operating systems running under VMWare t

Xen vs VMware

2006-10-18 Thread Saverio Iacovelli
1) What is the difference beetwen Xen and VMware? 2) What is the better choice: Xen or VMware? 3) Why does it exist a project of porting for Xen on DragonFly, and why it doesn't exist the same project for VMware? __ Do You Yahoo!? Poco spazio e tan